Question to the DC stacking 2-3 full groups (if not more) in Azuras

VincentBlanquin

so Crown is on the best way to be another small scale demander i presume. make my day better
another small step make game more enjoyable ....

DaveMoeDee

BossTuggles wrote: »

I just find it funny how someone who never runs in anything less than a 24 man group is crying about getting outnumbered. Basically they are using the same strats as you are but to a larger scale. Hence pot meet kettle.

PS.. 1 group is 4 people. You have 6 groups.

This isn't a dungeon.

rich.magab14a_ESO

God this thread is a joke. Manny videos of edited game play is not proof of anything. The minute anything is edited it no longer becomes proof. Crown you were rolling more than 16 to 20 tonight. They may have not been in your said group but they were running with you none the less. You have a tight run group and I respect that, but to sit there and point fingers is not helpful. Your group spams aoes just like any other group and you contribute to the problem just like any other group.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Crown wrote: »

I've just been told from three different DC that most of the evening they had:
CN with their core group, and their second group.
AK with two groups.
HOD with one group and part of a second group.
There is a pug group of 12, and another of about 10.

There are times that they all go to the same place..
AD had:
Victorem with 20
When Victorem logged for the night, Rage formed up with 17
AC66 with about 22
Late evening (around 10pm) PWNY started with 8
This doesn't include Vehemence who tried to play for about 20 minutes in the lag and decided to leave.

Does that seem in any way even?

Um, HoD had a maximum of 14 people all day. How do you get that as a group and a part? We were constantly out numbered by the double raid of the AD all day. I have been in the group since 2 pm til after midnight. It is rare that we get a full raid, let alone have enough to make a second group.

Hektik_V

Crown wrote: »

though none of us find it fun to zerg that hard and lag-fight, so none of us want to do so..

TKO disagrees.

PainfulFAFA

Galalin wrote: »

The AP farms are going to be awesome once AoE caps are gone.... Crown just buy your time let them stay zerging because we don't want them adapting before the caps change... after AoE cap is removed it will be glorious AP for all and this large gathering of monkeys will be dined on by all. I'm looking forward to all the QQ once they realize how unskilled they are

DK SCRUB OUT

Every faction has thier pug zergs to be farmed but DC is in for a rude awakening compared to the rest.

This.

Van_0S

Crown wrote: »

Do you actually find it fun to consistently fight 1/3 to 1/2 of your numbers? I've been getting a lot of whispers from DC in the past hour at how it's our fault that DC is lagging when they fight my group - do you not understand that when you have more than 40 people stacked tightly fighting less than half your numbers, it's YOU who are the cause of the lag?

Playing back the shadowplays, and looking at combat analytics from a few different people, our group that has ranged from 12-20 for the past few hours has been fighting anywhere from 40 to 90 opposing DC in every single fight.

The AD group leaders are discussing this now - and we could easily band together and bring numbers as you do, though none of us find it fun to zerg that hard and lag-fight, so none of us want to do so.. We really don't understand your motivation, unless it's "win the campaign regardless of how little fun people have themselves"...?

On another note, how much AP do you make per kill when there are that many of you stacked in one place?

Did DC say, the lag is because of us(EP)? lol.

When EP fights a AD train, I don't experience any lags but only from DC zerg.

Lava_Croft

Morostyle wrote: »

This is a daily routine in EU Azura
Thing is - when you have a powerful group of 12-16-20 that wipes another group, they only have one choice - stack up with more people. Atleast thats how it works on EU atm. The more people they stack, the better chance to wipe a smaller pr0 group, and it seems to work. The lag is in their favor due to aoe cap and skills not going thru + greybars

EU EP are masters of this technique - 2-3 raids + pugs, blob of do0m and lag

Keep dreaming while stacking your AoE spam blob with another AoE spam blob because more is better.

The fact that after nearly two years of this PvP you still claim that faction X or Y is the master of stacking large groups is just sad.

Itoq

I have not played the game much for several months but, prior to that, I played in Cyrodiil quite a bit. And during that time more often that not AD and EP greatly outnumbered and wtfzergpwnd DC for a great deal of the time.

This thread sounds like the numbers game is now in DC's favor and AD and EP can't recall their own recent history of winning the numbers game.

If I only had a nickel for every time DC players have lamented in TS or /zone about how fighting the huge stacks of AD and EP were demoralizing I would then have enough dollars to buy all of AD and EP another game to play.

That said, the numbers game has been around in MMO's since UO at least - and it has rarely been fun. For a game company like ZOS to not plan for this expectancy in a modern game is mind boggling.

Dkill

Hektik_V wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

though none of us find it fun to zerg that hard and lag-fight, so none of us want to do so..

TKO disagrees.

Excellent statement

Joy_Division

These threads really have to stop. Especially when made by people who can be accused of living in a glass house. Crown, your are going to tell me you had 12 people in your group. You probably did. But when I was at Ash there were upwards of 40-50 yellows there. OK, I get it, they aren't in your group. Maybe they want to leech AP off you. Maybe they are just sheep who have zero intuitive and follow you are because you get things done for your faction. Maybe they showed up after your group took Ash because that's where the action was. Or maybe they just like to look at your character's ass. Doesn't change the fact that there were 40-50 yellows the one time I went to Ash last night.

So you just keep going ahead and keep making these threads and posting screenshots with 12 people in your group. Because we all know the "Crown Zerg" would never engage in any such behavior they are accusing a certain blue group..

GRxKnight

Dkill wrote: »

you guys are all delusional when you can you make excuses......

btw GRXkknight i saw you in your back a few time today, what happen mate i thought you were elite.

I was playing my DK...something I don't do very often and thus am rusty with it...only cause I wanted to try out a new build...again, rust...feel free to 1v1 me on my osrso i can put you in your place

rich.magab14a_ESO wrote: »

God this thread is a joke. Manny videos of edited game play is not proof of anything. The minute anything is edited it no longer becomes proof. Crown you were rolling more than 16 to 20 tonight. They may have not been in your said group but they were running with you none the less. You have a tight run group and I respect that, but to sit there and point fingers is not helpful. Your group spams aoes just like any other group and you contribute to the problem just like any other group.

Difference is we're not stacking on top of other groups doing this...that's what Crown is complaining about...if it were one group then fine there's nothing wrong with that...but the fact that DC stacks multiple raids on top of each other is ridiculous and speaks volumes of the skill level of their players if they NEED to do that in order to win. I miss the days when "get better" was the proper response to losing, not "get more numbers"

Dkill wrote: »

you guys are all delusional when you can you make excuses......

btw GRXkknight i saw you in your back a few time today, what happen mate i thought you were elite.

I was playing my DK...something I don't do very often and thus am rusty with it...only cause I wanted to try out a new build...again, rust...feel free to 1v1 me on my sorc or NB so i can put you in your place...your steel tornado spamming skill is welcomed.

Joy_Division wrote: »

These threads really have to stop. Especially when made by people who can be accused of living in a glass house. Crown, your are going to tell me you had 12 people in your group. You probably did. But when I was at Ash there were upwards of 40-50 yellows there. OK, I get it, they aren't in your group. Maybe they want to leech AP off you. Maybe they are just sheep who have zero intuitive and follow you are because you get things done for your faction. Maybe they showed up after your group took Ash because that's where the action was. Or maybe they just like to look at your character's ass. Doesn't change the fact that there were 40-50 yellows the one time I went to Ash last night.

So you just keep going ahead and keep making these threads and posting screenshots with 12 people in your group. Because we all know the "Crown Zerg" would never engage in any such behavior they are accusing a certain blue group..

When Crown leads (and it's only with Victorem) there's only one group...that's it. We despise running more than that (hell perfect world we run no more than 16) but we have to fill groups around 5 PM EST because the DC train is out in force for whatever reason. I really do miss fighting EP because I know it's pretty much lag free and if we wipe, it's a matter of skill or impatience or a bad call vs being outnumbered. I would love to fight EP more often but right now, we can't unless we want to lose everything below Roebeck.

vortexman11

Zavus wrote: »

Carnafex24 wrote: »

Also, keep in mind that a lot of those numbers you linked are probably guards and various NPC's.

dont forget sorc pets....i bet it was just 20 sorcs with two pets each. That would be 50...plus npcs 71. there.

-Metha

Has anyone else seen that EP sorc with 2 Winged Twilights and 2 Volatile Familiars? He told me "If everyone is going to zerg, then I'm going to need a zerg of my own".

Minno

vortexman11 wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Carnafex24 wrote: »

Also, keep in mind that a lot of those numbers you linked are probably guards and various NPC's.

dont forget sorc pets....i bet it was just 20 sorcs with two pets each. That would be 50...plus npcs 71. there.

-Metha

Has anyone else seen that EP sorc with 2 Winged Twilights and 2 Volatile Familiars? He told me "If everyone is going to zerg, then I'm going to need a zerg of my own".

Sorc pet tea party.

SoulScream

It is hilarious to see crown whining about zerging when ad has been notorious for this since the start. LOLOLOLOL

Kelces

It is hilarious to see crown whining about zerging when ad has been notorious for this since the start. LOLOLOLOL

That reminded me of the famous "skeleton-train" They were something...

StihlReign

What a terrible State of Affairs...

You guys are upset with each other over something that is 100% Zos' fault.

This game was billed and designed for large scale PvP. In it's current state it cannot support battles larger than 30 v 30.

While it's true DC rolls to fights 70+ deep, AD has done so as well. Whether by design, pre-plan, or circumstance...when there's a big fight, everyone eventually shows up.

It would probably be better if we spent our energy demanding Zos give us the game experience advertised.

"Misdirection Stanley" John Travolta 2000 Swordfish

Ghostbane

AZ reset, try out some other servers.

mchermie

Slaxis wrote: »

wont even tell people where were going just so people don't follow us or ill go hit a keep that is the farthest away from AD so we don't stack up.

I really wish more DC would do that

mchermie

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

When EP fights a AD train, I don't experience any lags but only from DC zerg.

Not true. I am not denying that DC is zerging, but a recently posted video kinda proves something else. Too many people using aoe in the same area triggers the lag. Who are doing it is irrelevant

Darnathian

BossTuggles wrote: »

Should I scrounge up videos of what I have done with my buddies? This game is a joke and the current playstyle is a joke. I am merely calling the guy hypocritical for complaining about things that he in fact does on the regular. So dismissing my comments as something I know nothing about is just meh. Believe what you wanna believe. That is your opinion on my knowledge or lack there of on the incredible PvP that is Cyrodil lately.

And this just shows how much you don't know. The only time we form a raid is during primetime. That means we are outnumbered by EP and DC as far as organized raids. I wish we had 24 most of the time. Because when we do we are tough to beat.

I agree the current playstyle is a joke. However you are throwing accusations with what proof? Exactly. You have none. Just slandering. Crown must have REKT you one on one is my guess.

Rebeccas04nub18_ESO

I'm not even going to get into who's zerging who and who's got superior numbers and fighting unfairly. It was only a couple months ago that there were so many EP on Azura that they were shooting at the few DC players at our gates because they had no one to fight. But the lag is real, no one faction is causing it. A group of 12 of us can ride up to a keep and we know when there's a large number of enemy players before we see them because the ping triples. I'm sure no one faction has hackers to crash the servers though this theory has been tossed about.

Manoekin

Rebeccas04nub18_ESO wrote: »

I'm not even going to get into who's zerging who and who's got superior numbers and fighting unfairly. It was only a couple months ago that there were so many EP on Azura that they were shooting at the few DC players at our gates because they had no one to fight. But the lag is real, no one faction is causing it. A group of 12 of us can ride up to a keep and we know when there's a large number of enemy players before we see them because the ping triples. I'm sure no one faction has hackers to crash the servers though this theory has been tossed about.

I bet RHM left the lag switch on before he quit the game, unfortunately enough for us

Really though last night was almost unbearable. At one point at the nikel gate my group ran through, spotted an enemy raid stacking up on the east side so we went up to the 2nd floor only to find another raid stacking up on the 2nd floor. Not having much other options we went up to the third floor and it was less full but still some pugs up there and a lot of them running around the entire area in general. It's the same thing as EP bringing their entire faction to the bridge. I don't get it.

GRxKnight wrote: »

I miss the days when "get better" was the proper response to losing, not "get more numbers"

This. @Wrobel and ZOS is currently supporting this kind of gameplay though, which is a shame.

Grampa_Smurf

vortexman11 wrote: »

Zavus wrote: »

Carnafex24 wrote: »

Also, keep in mind that a lot of those numbers you linked are probably guards and various NPC's.

dont forget sorc pets....i bet it was just 20 sorcs with two pets each. That would be 50...plus npcs 71. there.

-Metha

Has anyone else seen that EP sorc with 2 Winged Twilights and 2 Volatile Familiars? He told me "If everyone is going to zerg, then I'm going to need a zerg of my own".

This one





Have full size and all, but you can see two Twilights & Familiars. Was the first time I have see this and he- she did die quick anyway.

kevlarto_ESO

I run with static group of 4 or 5 people, I get tells, telling me to stop lagging the server, I guess people think every time people show up everyone is in the same group, large groups converging on one place is going to happen, might be coordinated might not be, just look at the map is there anything else going on anywhere on the map, I used to get a laugh at ep sending the emp and about 30 players to kill the two of us taking the farm at Alessia, we would hide and laugh because they could not find anyone to kill, but when you looked on the map there was nothing else going on.

I found it even more strange, during this huge surge of Blue where was red ? they let their keeps stay blue for along time, not like the ep I used to fight.

I agree with crown, on a lot of what he posted, is it really that fun to show up with all those people and start a slide show, and today before the campaign ended blue was already locked to both AD and EP's two bars, to bad we can't police ourselves and spread out to other campaigns where we could have some awesome fights with limited lag, I really don't understand why everyone piled into one campaign knowing the server cannot handle the load.

zyk

I understand how frustrating this issue is. I don't play ESO PVP most of the time because of it. However, I do not blame any faction or group in particular.

This is not a player issue. This is a game design issue. The players in question are doing what they believe to be necessary for their side to win and/or achieve their individual goals. At different times to various degrees, we have seen all factions do it.

There were times last year when some of the best guilds of a particular faction bragged about coordinated multi-guild pushes on TB. They were winning TB because they were the best coordinated, it was claimed.

I do not believe it is conceivable for the playerbase to play the game under an alternate set of rules of its own devising. There are simply too many players for this to be possible. Furthermore, even if the collective will and ability to execute were there, it is not possible to do so in an objective, accurate or fair manner.

ZOS has to fix this. There needs to be additional bona fide alliance war objectives -- not cheap tricks like enhancing the value of dolmens, delves and IC to spread the playerbase out. Doing it the cheap way results Alliance War population imbalances.

An entire faction stacking its forces in a particular location of the map needs to be fixed with carrots and sticks; rewards and punishments. Game designers, this is the kind of problem professionals like you are paid to come up with solutions for.

There are countless game design issues in ESO PVP. I don't see any as catastrophic. The catastrophic part is the lack of attention ZOS has given ESO Alliance War PVP.

As players, our animosity needs to be aimed at the correct target: ZOS

Xsorus

manny254 wrote: »

BossTuggles wrote: »

Thank you for finding like 4 instances of him not in a 24 man full raid. What he is having issues with is what he currently does with his group. That is the reason for the pot meet kettle line. The instance he is complaining about is when he had a yes FULL 24 MAN aka 1 measly group and how he got outnumbered. The reason you run in something that size is to outnumber your opponent. That is the games fault I know cus of the *** show it has become. But to complain about getting outnumbered when that is in fact your (his) main "strat" is laughable at best.

So moral of the story is that you have no clue what you are talking about. No decent player forms a group to outnumber the enemy. The entire point of playing in a good group is playing outnumbered.

If you really think people group to outnumber having any discussion with you is a waste of time.

Here just for you I uploaded a small clip from yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o71a0QTVSy4&feature=youtu.be

Then why are all the ball zergs playing running 24 man groups?

Xsorus

Also please stop saying Crown runs 1 group; Crown does not run one group, he Runs 3 to 6 depending on how things are going for him.

1 group in this game is 4 people...

Also whining about DC zerging (which i'm sure they do) is hilarious when I watched 40+ AD just a few days ago zerging around.

Basically none of you have any room to talk when it comes to running your groups.

Crown

@Xsorus yeah you watched 40 AD, and if one of them was my group, what would have happened is:
Crown, "Hey leader of the other group, where are you intending to go next? We'll head to a different objective so we don't lag things out".
Other leader, "We're going to smash X-Location"
Crown, "Cool, we'll head to Y-Location and yell in zone if you need help"

What seems to happen with DC lately is:
Blueberry, "Hey leader of the other group, come stack on us so that nobody will take damage in either of our groups, and lets have an AoE lag fight to wipe these AD! I wonder if we can make them rage quit due to lag?"

rich.magab14a_ESO

Crown wrote: »

@Xsorus yeah you watched 40 AD, and if one of them was my group, what would have happened is:
Crown, "Hey leader of the other group, where are you intending to go next? We'll head to a different objective so we don't lag things out".
Other leader, "We're going to smash X-Location"
Crown, "Cool, we'll head to Y-Location and yell in zone if you need help"

What seems to happen with DC lately is:
Blueberry, "Hey leader of the other group, come stack on us so that nobody will take damage in either of our groups, and lets have an AoE lag fight to wipe these AD! I wonder if we can make them rage quit due to lag?"

Really "We'll head to a different objective so we don't lag things out". How is that, when your group is quite often running along side mohicans group? Also if you care about the lag so much why is it your group will often go out of it's way to enter a fight that ad has no involvement in(ex. riding to join the dc vs ep fight at chalman when all ad keeps are in the south)? The lag has been a problem long before DC was able to put up numbers to win a campaign.