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MaximillianDiE wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

And there goes your credibility. Remember when Kaghei said Alacrity farmed you? Alacrity never went big, we stayed at 16 through thick and thin. If the only way for you to win back then was to go bigger, it was because you were inferior to the truly great guilds. Alacrity, No Mercy and Condemned could dominate despite running smaller groups.

Now days unfortunately we don't have the same size flexibility we used to. Small groups can still beat larger uncoordinated groups like CN, but a small amount of organization completely eliminates any possibility of a smaller group beating a larger group. Such is the meta.

Personally, for me NM (as AD Oceanic DiE with Moon at the helm which was our prime) were the standout Blue/Red guild in their prime. We had nothing but respect for them and they for clearly for DiE given the fact that our two guilds have now basically come together to form K-Hole. We still run relatively small and don't suffer from the "meta" that you use as your rationale for zerging it up with the rest. Sure its harder and more of a challenge, but then that's what makes it fun. Not demeaning Haxus or VE or Rage when you all run big groups, but by throwing your hands in the air and giving up like Trip has is taking the easy way out and compounding the problem.

So what is the answer? Not playing during prime time? No offense, but when was the last time k-hole made a large take on azuras during prime time?

The answer is not to give up and go look for fights as a smaller group and maybe just maybe others will take your example and do the same and some of the more organised large playstyle groups will split up looking for more competitive fights. That's what built the 8v8 culture in DAOC and what really needs to happen right now is for some of the better players to split off from their large formations and try running a bit smaller (we run between 8-16 depending on who's on, but more often than not around 12). We actually have a bloody big map to play with if the organised players were to spread out somewhat or not run in such large groups and be more tactical about the objectives they focus on. Sure multiple groups will converge at the same time on the same spot, however that's preferable to one enormous hive mind spamming the same aoe dps and heals bringing the server to its knees so game play becomes unresponsive, fps plummets and lag skyrockets. How is that even fun?

To answer the rest of your question (and no disrespect taken) we do when we want to and when we can be bothered playing in the lagfest that is US primetime on AS. When we are around - you may not see us directly as we try to stay away from the DC zerg you're most likely hunting as we can control whether we fight in the vicinity of that particular large group or not. We will be taking stuff and nipping at the heels of the EP/AD zergs while trying to bait the likes of Haxus, or Vanzan's guild (Oceanic time) to come fight us which they often do which is always a blast and from talking to members afterwards they seem to really enjoy them too. We actually go hunting the more organised guilds to fight as well as the large pug zergs when we know they're around as the fights generally last longer, require more buttons to be pushed and to be frank are a bigger adrenalin rush when they're over. I think the key is not to be scared of losing, which can be pretty hard for a lot of competitive pvpers and understanding that if you're massively outnumbered its often not about whether or not you can win but having a blast getting a really good fight and staying up for much longer than you rationally should be able to, getting away or wiping them and coming back to do it all over again. Its funny how often we can break up much larger and even organised larger guild's formations and destroy them by having self belief and the ability to dust ourselves off and come back again if things don't go to plan.

Also I love this. Fear of dying in this game is death in itself. If you're too afraid to push something stupid cuz you don't want to die and look bad than you're missing out on a lot.

Manoekin

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

Flawlless

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

We can talk about who was the best from each era/faction, but when it comes to the greatest of all time, it's No Mercy and there's really no debate. Sorry Alacrity, but no one who played in that time is going to say you were better than NM.

Manoekin

Flawlless wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

We can talk about who was the best from each era/faction, but when it comes to the greatest of all time, it's No Mercy and there's really no debate. Sorry Alacrity, but no one who played in that time is going to say you were better than NM.

Why don't you ask them how it's going on Skyforge, yeah?

Aegonnn

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

I'll hit you with a tldr since youre still salty and I really dont feel like reading all your excuses and same *** you guys used to say back in the day. It will never end.

k1llorbek1lled

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

Yeah I troll but, Alacrity will forever be the pug farming scroll exploiting guild. It's just how it is. Good players? Yeah, probly. Say in EP zone "remember Alacrity?" and you will still get people who call exploiters. You guys did it to troll so don't act like it was for anything else. If you dont like that rep now then maybe you should of thought about that when you were doing it. You guys were to small to be a threat unless the EP/DC were pugs anyway.

Xiphyla

The forum PvP is real , funny , interesting and entertaining.

Tripwyr

Flawlless wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

We can talk about who was the best from each era/faction, but when it comes to the greatest of all time, it's No Mercy and there's really no debate. Sorry Alacrity, but no one who played in that time is going to say you were better than NM.

The funny thing is, No Mercy didn't exist in Alacrity's prime. This demonstrates that you lack knowledge about the history of the game and the guilds in this game. Nobody who remembers that time would believe that anybody other than Alacrity dominated, there was zero competition.

EDIT: And/or they played on Auriel's Bow, I don't have the faintest who played over there.

Bahalul

In lights of recent events

Flawlless

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

Winnamine

k1llorbek1lled wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

Yeah I troll but, Alacrity will forever be the pug farming scroll exploiting guild. It's just how it is. Good players? Yeah, probly. Say in EP zone "remember Alacrity?" and you will still get people who call exploiters. You guys did it to troll so don't act like it was for anything else. If you dont like that rep now then maybe you should of thought about that when you were doing it. You guys were to small to be a threat unless the EP/DC were pugs anyway.

Does using two accounts make your point double?

frozywozy

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

First you gives excuses saying that he caught you using Dark Flare when u were trolling, then you say that you farmed all EPs guilds outside of Condemned up to 1.5 and you close the show saying that during Thornblade, AD had only 2 competitive guilds. Great laughs, I'm not even gonna bother replying since everybody know how huge is your ego by now.

Karamis_Vimardon

How this thread feels now...

Tripwyr

Flawlless wrote: »

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

This seems pointless. It is quite clear you did not play for the entire period between release and the middle of Thornblade first cycle, which was Alacrity's prime. During this period Alacrity was the strongest guild in the game, I don't know of any major players who would argue this.

Flawlless

No Mercy was playing the game during that period.. Maybe not at release, but in between release and the first Thorn cycle they were. You don't know of any major player who would say they were better? You're right this is pointless because you're delusional.

Xiphyla

Tripwyr wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

This seems pointless. It is quite clear you did not play for the entire period between release and the middle of Thornblade first cycle, which was Alacrity's prime. During this period Alacrity was the strongest guild in the game, I don't know of any major players who would argue this.

Tripwyr wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

This seems pointless. It is quite clear you did not play for the entire period between release and the middle of Thornblade first cycle, which was Alacrity's prime. During this period Alacrity was the strongest guild in the game, I don't know of any major players who would argue this.

Are you dreaming in wonderland ?

_Chaos

just to throw a curve ball in the mix

Divine Reapers > All

No one could compare to Chip Paterson and the Alpha Squad

Pchela

Elder Scrolls Online's hottest thread is "When VE plays Red". Located in the Alliance War section, this thread has EVERYTHING. As soon as you open this 11 page display of primal chest pounding and finger pointing, you'll be greeted by most of DC's finest (and not so finest) battling it out for the title of best guild DC/NA. Steve's hair, jacked-up Wizard Daniel being his usual self, Krotha's got a name drop (2014 called!), 7 different definitions of what a zerg is, Bulb's choice of music, derailment that rivals that of the November 1, 1918 Brooklyn NY incident that left 100+ dead, and an entire usebase of puppets who keep performing on the same stage every day even though the cracks in the floor are growing larger.

Ghostbane

Pchela wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online's hottest thread is "When VE plays Red". Located in the Alliance War section, this thread has EVERYTHING. As soon as you open this 11 page display of primal chest pounding and finger pointing, you'll be greeted by most of DC's finest (and not so finest) battling it out for the title of best guild DC/NA. Steve's hair, jacked-up Wizard Daniel being his usual self, Krotha's got a name drop (2014 called!), 7 different definitions of what a zerg is, Bulb's choice of music, derailment that rivals that of the November 1, 1918 Brooklyn NY incident that left 100+ dead, and an entire usebase of puppets who keep performing on the same stage every day even though the cracks in the floor are growing larger.

You forgot the Harry Potter / Twilight debate.

Manoekin

Xiphyla wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

This seems pointless. It is quite clear you did not play for the entire period between release and the middle of Thornblade first cycle, which was Alacrity's prime. During this period Alacrity was the strongest guild in the game, I don't know of any major players who would argue this.

Tripwyr wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

Alacrity must've had an extremely brief prime then, but that's no surprise to me. Let me reiterate my point, in what I and many others consider to be the prime of ESO as far as competition goes, No Mercy was easily ahead of Alacrity. Also No Mercy didn't solely play on Auriel's Bow, they also played on Wabba frequently. I remember because I played on both campaigns. It also really doesn't surprise me that another Alacrity guy came on here to defend your status as the best guild, but that's just not the reality.

This seems pointless. It is quite clear you did not play for the entire period between release and the middle of Thornblade first cycle, which was Alacrity's prime. During this period Alacrity was the strongest guild in the game, I don't know of any major players who would argue this.

Are you dreaming in wonderland ?

Are you coming here to say DiE did something other than troll camp to stop emp pushes, or leach d ticks at bleakers because they couldn't keep up?

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Cool, so you screenshotted like the one or two times I trolled with it. I didn't spam it every night lol it wasn't even on my bar unless we weren't doing anything serious. And no, we farmed everyone on EP. EP was horrible outside of Condemned up until 1.5. And if you want to talk about exploits... what exploits? They weren't deemed exploits until way after we did them. No one claimed the hel ra times were exploited. We used forward camps to get behind the gates. That was perfectly acceptable to the devs. When we leaped up onto the gates the gates had a barrier on them. We didn't go around the barrier we went right through it stacking enough health and damage shields to absorb the one-shot mechanic. It's not like we got past the gates going around the terrain or anything. How many times have I seen DK's leap onto keeps yourself probably included. Am I to believe we can get on top of keeps and take them without sieging the walls down, but we can't go over a gate and pick up a scroll using abilities that are not bugged? To me, abusing a skill you KNOW is bugged constitutes more of an exploit than finding a way into a keep/gate using normal, non-bugged skills.

How many times did I see Crystalized and other EP raids halfway up the scroll temple walls, their entire 24man raid spamming healing springs beyond the point of using it for ultimate generation? And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.

TKO doesn't listen to any coordination, they're as bad as CN is when it comes to that. I don't know what point you're trying to make with that. Decibel ran a large raid, cool, I didn't really play with them back then until the end of 1.5. So while one raid was defending against DC constantly pushing us, and TKO trying to farm kingscrest/warden with 60 people, one raid was left to defend against the 2-3 EP raids pushing down on us. I see your point now Aegon, you're admitting to EP being a giant zerg faction at that point in time. 7 guilds against 2. Good job on "winning" rofl. And yes, apparently those are accurate numbers of guilds fighting each other based on comments from everyone in this thread.

Last time I'm gonna say this, no one "ran" from you. We distanced ourselves from the lag. We wouldn't have minded an EP guild or two on Chillrend when we first moved to it. The fights there were great and with no lag. The problem was EP couldn't move without the entire faction moving, and within a couple days it was entirely EP due to night capping and zerging during primetime in general.

First you gives excuses saying that he caught you using Dark Flare when u were trolling, then you say that you farmed all EPs guilds outside of Condemned up to 1.5 and you close the show saying that during Thornblade, AD had only 2 competitive guilds. Great laughs, I'm not even gonna bother replying since everybody know how huge is your ego by now.

Name the guilds. DiE? They were doing what we were doing most of the time, not playing objectives. And yes we farmed EP. how many times do I remember rolling over crystalized and his volatile familiars, or mighterknot, or you, or aegon? Or anyone else. TSYM and Condemned are the only EP guilds worth anything in that time and I'm not even sure I should mention TSYM because they were the original potatoes.

Bahalul

I think we need more spooderman

Xiphyla

@mano , we also do ap farming , but we do help with objectives too. It's not like you guys dont leech d ticks too ? Feeding ap to one guy and trying to show off is just kinda funny too. Troll camp wasnt by us , it was by the other pugs fyi. DiE is quite strict as whoever exploit or doesnt condone by guild rules = give warnings or guildkick by guild leaders / officers. DiE had help crown some of the alacrity people a lot of times too , you can ask permared.

emma666

Manoekin... Bitching about me using darkflare then admits to using it with other Alacrity templars and starts defending all the other bannable exploits they used and even uses the phrase ''And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.'' Thats not what he did, you started with the idiotic claims, idiotic because you guys were known as the guild who exploited the most, and idiotic because I have never denied using darkflares. You two are delusional. And guess what? I still respect Alacrity and I respect most of your members, like I said in the reply to my friend Kaghei.

I have no hard feelings for you, huntlar or tripwyr for darkflaring me and I'm certainly not in denial of using it unlike you. No need to come on here, bring up lies and dramas from almost a year ago to try discredit a whole guild when we had our prime, just like your guild did. And remember that the claims of ''the best guilds in ESO'' is completely a personal opinion, not a fact. Some people think No Mercy, Alacrity, Havoc or Condemned was the best, and any other guild in the game... Hell, I clearly remember TKO members thinking they were the best PvP guild in the game. Opinions, not facts.

Your response to my reply to Kaghei was completely unwarranted considering I respectfully shared my own opinion just like many other people did before me. Now let it go, have your personal opinion that Alacrity was the best guild in ESO without disrespecting others with bullcrap and disrespectful claims for having their own opinions. Thanks.

Ghostbane

Bahalul

frozywozy

emma666 wrote: »

Manoekin... Bitching about me using darkflare then admits to using it with other Alacrity templars and starts defending all the other bannable exploits they used and even uses the phrase ''And you want to come on here acting like your squeeky *** clean rofl.'' Thats not what he did, you started with the idiotic claims, idiotic because you guys were known as the guild who exploited the most, and idiotic because I have never denied using darkflares. You two are delusional. And guess what? I still respect Alacrity and I respect most of your members, like I said in the reply to my friend Kaghei.

I have no hard feelings for you, huntlar or tripwyr for darkflaring me and I'm certainly not in denial of using it unlike you. No need to come on here, bring up lies and dramas from almost a year ago to try discredit a whole guild when we had our prime, just like your guild did. And remember that the claims of ''the best guilds in ESO'' is completely a personal opinion, not a fact. Some people think No Mercy, Alacrity, Havoc or Condemned was the best, and any other guild in the game... Hell, I clearly remember TKO members thinking they were the best PvP guild in the game. Opinions, not facts.

Your response to my reply to Kaghei was completely unwarranted considering I respectfully shared my own opinion just like many other people did before me. Now let it go, have your personal opinion that Alacrity was the best guild in ESO without disrespecting others with bullcrap and disrespectful claims for having their own opinions. Thanks.

I'm gonna have to agree with Nymeria here, who could have known. Time to let it go @Manoekin !!

Dyride

Salt-farming is lucrative this time of year.

Galalin

NPK Daniel wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Aegonnn wrote: »

Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

And there goes your credibility. Remember when Kaghei said Alacrity farmed you? Alacrity never went big, we stayed at 16 through thick and thin. If the only way for you to win back then was to go bigger, it was because you were inferior to the truly great guilds. Alacrity, No Mercy and Condemned could dominate despite running smaller groups.

Now days unfortunately we don't have the same size flexibility we used to. Small groups can still beat larger uncoordinated groups like CN, but a small amount of organization completely eliminates any possibility of a smaller group beating a larger group. Such is the meta.

You know we fully wipe maybe 2-5 times a night right....lol The talk is so cheap, but we're not getting smacked around. I'll let my actions speak on the battlefield.

I really just need to say this.... I am a scrub DK that plays with mediocre skill.

Your guild is a freaking joke if you even think you compare to almost any other organized guild out there.... you are WRONG. And you are definitely not going to get any better without breaking down into smaller grps and actually learning.

Ok thats my mean comment for the day... carry on

Added: just thought i should clarify this is not a personal attack on you or your guild members as some of you are quite nice ppl others i dont know and as in all guilds some are *** bags...

DK SCRUB OUT

Rylana

All that I have really learned from this thread, is that individual players regardless of faction, class, or time of day, must have their playstyles dictated to them by the ESO Illuminati, or they will not be part of the cool kids club.

Thats really how it breaks down.

Nafirian

Kinda late to NA Hissy fit thread but hey