When VE plays Red

Teargrants

NPK Daniel wrote: »

So much of your story is completely fabricated it's hilarious.

Ain't no body claim to hold Glade all night. But it did take you four whole wipes to get her done, so kudos.

I counted the end total @ 5-4 our favor. Don't want to hear we gotta zerg to win no more to win, bc you seen otherwise.


And keep it real....we wiped you like 15 seconds after Glade unburst and abandoned the keep for the mine when you finally 'won'.

Do you live in an alternate reality? You had 3 raids in glade. Your 3 raids all died. You lost glade.

3 raids vs 1 isn't zergging? Then I dunno wtf is.

x99Needles

NedicWildling wrote: »

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

And that proves how bad the competition is if ''the best guild'' makes a whole thread and video bragging about killing NPK.

I'm not sure what your point or reason for being here is. People are welcome to their own opinions about guilds especially those in their own. Some Guild pride is necessary for a healthy guild. If someone were to call VE the best guild I would thank them and likewise if they said their guild was better that is their belief and there's nothing wrong with it. There's no official way for us to rank ourselves in ESO unfortunately. Then again your comment is coming from someone who doesn't have a guild anymore, and lacks the respect to even acknowledge that Daniel does not lead NPK. He created his own guild CN and that should be acknowledged.
But you don't really have any values or ability to respect others, especially then they beat you at your own little small man game, do you Nymeroz.

Alomar

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

You mean the high road to countering zerging is not zerging with more and bragging about it? "shocked face"

Worst part about the night was the 100 que and the trollyness of zone chat, definitively don't miss those.

Bane_of_Fringe

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

Rather large statement there.

Killer808

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

That post 1.5 spec... Viva La ZERGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Xsorus

Teargrants wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

So much of your story is completely fabricated it's hilarious.

Ain't no body claim to hold Glade all night. But it did take you four whole wipes to get her done, so kudos.

I counted the end total @ 5-4 our favor. Don't want to hear we gotta zerg to win no more to win, bc you seen otherwise.


And keep it real....we wiped you like 15 seconds after Glade unburst and abandoned the keep for the mine when you finally 'won'.

Do you live in an alternate reality? You had 3 raids in glade. Your 3 raids all died. You lost glade.

3 raids vs 1 isn't zergging? Then I dunno wtf is.

From what i saw in that video; I honestly didn't see any point where you were actually outnumbered..Granted its hard to actually see anything going on in the video because its a *** mess to watch... but still...

Poxheart

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

I'd say VE proved that Zerg Norris is a scrub guild without a shadow of a doubt.

Satiar

Alomar wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

You mean the high road to countering zerging is not zerging with more and bragging about it? "shocked face"

Worst part about the night was the 100 que and the trollyness of zone chat, definitively don't miss those.

Ah yes, the old "be outnumbered 3 to 1" zerg we all know and love. That first push through the meat grinder to see if we could I tagged over 60 people.... just in that one little space. Apologies for your ping, but we ain't the ones who brought a zerg

hammayolettuce

Alomar wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

You mean the high road to countering zerging is not zerging with more and bragging about it? "shocked face"

Worst part about the night was the 100 que and the trollyness of zone chat, definitively don't miss those.

Moral victories aren't real victories. There was a time when you played with people who understood that and thus took no issues with wins that came from overwhelming numbers.

Don't take this as a jab. It's not. The people I played with were not as adept at faction management (i.e. cat herding). But do take this as me scoffing a bit that 24 necessarily constitutes a zerg when we fight whole factions with one 24 man and win. See post below for the epistemology of zergs.

B

Teargrants

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

NPK Daniel wrote: »

So much of your story is completely fabricated it's hilarious.

Ain't no body claim to hold Glade all night. But it did take you four whole wipes to get her done, so kudos.

I counted the end total @ 5-4 our favor. Don't want to hear we gotta zerg to win no more to win, bc you seen otherwise.


And keep it real....we wiped you like 15 seconds after Glade unburst and abandoned the keep for the mine when you finally 'won'.

Do you live in an alternate reality? You had 3 raids in glade. Your 3 raids all died. You lost glade.

3 raids vs 1 isn't zergging? Then I dunno wtf is.

From what i saw in that video; I honestly didn't see any point where you were actually outnumbered..Granted its hard to actually see anything going on in the video because its a *** mess to watch... but still...

CN keep a full raid on the 3rd floor the entire fight that did nothing but dump meteors and oils from above, on top of 2 raids we engaged outside and on the flags.

Alomar wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

You mean the high road to countering zerging is not zerging with more and bragging about it? "shocked face"

Worst part about the night was the 100 que and the trollyness of zone chat, definitively don't miss those.

Our members go through rigorous training to be certified as professional Queue Cloggers. I take 100% credit for the troll chat.

k1llorbek1lled

Satiar wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Meanwhile anyone trying to actually PvP was met with 999+ latency.

You mean the high road to countering zerging is not zerging with more and bragging about it? "shocked face"

Worst part about the night was the 100 que and the trollyness of zone chat, definitively don't miss those.

Apologies for your ping, but we ain't the ones who brought a zerg

Oh it must of been so laggy in your zerg you didn't see the other 23 in your blob. Must of been not rendering. All I see is zergVzerg here, no wonder I had 1k ping all night and my 4man quit.

hammayolettuce

I asked this in zone once in a bit of a cheeky way. I'll ask it again with only slightly less cheek. At what critical juncture does exactly one more person turn a normal group into a zerg? I think the nature of that one special person bears research since once they join, a beautiful, pure, morally upright group becomes a filthy lag spewing zerg.

This is important.

-B

Satiar

NPK Daniel wrote: »

So much of your story is completely fabricated it's hilarious.

Ain't no body claim to hold Glade all night. But it did take you four whole wipes to get her done, so kudos.

I counted the end total @ 5-4 our favor. Don't want to hear we gotta zerg to win no more to win, bc you seen otherwise.


And keep it real....we wiped you like 15 seconds after Glade unburst and abandoned the keep for the mine when you finally 'won'.

You stacked an entire faction at one keep, and it took us merely one raid and three tries to take it from you. You lost with a zerg stacked in one of the most defensible positions in the game. I don't think i was expecting humility after that, but i wasn't quite expect the ole "fingers in my ears shouting NUH-UH" routine.

Aegonnn

Sorry... Haxus, Rage, Khole, even EU Banana Squad is still around so no, not the best guild. I've seen all of them pull off better wipes with 10-12 people. When have you seen a VE raid of 10 wipe a full raid? Does VE even exist when they dont have 24? You need to self-sustain and coordinate way better imo in a small group with way more skill. Not just spamming steel tornados and barriers. If Havoc ever had a full 24 that 1 day out of the week for 2 hours on the weekend it was unstoppable and not fun. We stayed small for a reason. But hey, if you like lag and zerging people down then zerg away. Just my opinion. Give us back Steve and Kirsi though.

Teargrants

hammayolettuce wrote: »

I asked this in zone once in a bit of a cheeky way. I'll ask it again with only slightly less cheek. At what critical juncture does exactly one more person turn a normal group into a zerg? I think the nature of that one special person bears research since once they join, a beautiful, pure, morally upright group becomes a filthy lag spewing zerg.

This is important.

-B

We already established the answer through exhaustive zergtistical anaylsis in Sypher's thread; the 9th person in group turns it into a zerg. As soon as he joins, the other 8 drop approximately 50 IQ and lose their individuality. This is known as Sypher's Law of Zergification.

In a double blind study, 88% of small man players reported they could feel the loss of motor skills when their group size passed Derra's Number.

Minno

x99Needles wrote: »

NedicWildling wrote: »

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

And that proves how bad the competition is if ''the best guild'' makes a whole thread and video bragging about killing NPK.

I'm not sure what your point or reason for being here is. People are welcome to their own opinions about guilds especially those in their own. Some Guild pride is necessary for a healthy guild. If someone were to call VE the best guild I would thank them and likewise if they said their guild was better that is their belief and there's nothing wrong with it. There's no official way for us to rank ourselves in ESO unfortunately. Then again your comment is coming from someone who doesn't have a guild anymore, and lacks the respect to even acknowledge that Daniel does not lead NPK. He created his own guild CN and that should be acknowledged.
But you don't really have any values or ability to respect others, especially then they beat you at your own little small man game, do you Nymeroz.

CN was formed when guild lead of North Point Knights didn't like the way Daniel was leading. 90% of NPK's core followed Daniel. I left a month or two before that happened (lead burn out.)

NPK is around still Jack Forrest still leads it and plays. If anyone is reading that wants in on a chill guild, I'd message Jack in game for an invite.

hammayolettuce

VE plays with who it has. 24 is the group limit so that's our group limit. We've wiped equivalent numbers of everyone out there and in turn been wiped. As you can see from the video we do not whitewash our mistakes because we realize no one is infallibile ... KHole, VE, RAGE, and Haxus included.

People's zerg goggles are stronk around us too. We wipe aforementioned guilds with 14 to 16 in a SteVE group while they are equivalent and/or bolstered with pug aggro and we're still zerging apparently.

There is no need for epeen fencing. People start getting all emotional lol.

B

Zavus

I dont understand why ppl say they cant tell whats going on. You just have to know what you're looking for. I never lost track of steves perfect hair.

-Methuselah

k1llorbek1lled

hammayolettuce wrote: »

There is no need for epeen fencing. People start getting all emotional lol.

Says the guy whose zerglings are saying "best guild" LMAO. No, just NO.

allen-iverson

@NPK Daniel

Take your L with some dignity.
You were pushed all the way to your gates just as you were told you would be.

Satiar

Aegonnn wrote: »

Sorry... Haxus, Rage, Khole, even EU Banana Squad is still around so no, not the best guild. I've seen all of them pull off better wipes with 10-12 people. When have you seen a VE raid of 10 wipe a full raid? Does VE even exist when they dont have 24? You need to self-sustain and coordinate way better imo in a small group with way more skill. Not just spamming steel tornados and barriers. If Havoc ever had a full 24 that 1 day out of the week for 2 hours on the weekend it was unstoppable and not fun. We stayed small for a reason. But hey, if you like lag and zerging people down then zerg away. Just my opinion. Give us back Steve and Kirsi though.

I appreciate the plug at the end but I dunno about the rest. I've fought pretty much every guild in the game and straight up the only one that seriously worries me is a large Haxus raid. We've had a few of these, mostly around final Red emp keeps s and those fights were insanely tough and fun, sometimes we pulled it off and sometimes we didn't.

What id put forward is not that we never wipe and are therefore the best--we wipe a lot and potato into a ton of things. We're always attaching, charging up stupidly defended stairs and trying to take emp keeps we have no business being at. But hey, we are there and trying and the fights are fun and we continually improve. But the main point there is that we are pushing . When we are online we don't get pushed. Haxus doesn't form a raid to push Chalman or Aleswell, we don't battle to keep our territory. I don't think I have even *one* time in the last 5 months been online with a raid and had to defend a keep from you. Not one time. If I wanted to never wipe I'd do what you guys do, and sit in defensible positions and wait for my enemy to come to me. Instead we go out and find fights, and find put ourselves in hard spots just to see if we can.

I have all the respect on the world for you Aegon, and what Haxus can do, but I'm sorry. The challenge is there. You know when we log on. If you want a challenge for your raid come take *** from me when we're running, because that literally never happens.


I also refuse to be scolded about steel tornado while I get hit with meteor spam anytime I step on a staircase

In closing, I think you're correct that this isn't really an insane video or huge accomplishment. We rooted a few raids out of Glade, the big emotion comes from the rediculous circumstances that provoked it more than the fight itself. However, the numbers were easily 1v3 in an enemy keep, with huge lag favoring the Zerg. We went into that and won. If there are videos of you doing that of late I have not seen them.

Satiar

Zavus wrote: »

I dont understand why ppl say they cant tell whats going on. You just have to know what you're looking for. I never lost track of steves perfect hair.

-Methuselah

#Nordprincessridesagain
#bearcavalry

CN_Daniel

I wrecked you at the teleporter in Glade, the bottom of the steps when Glade flipped, outside bleakers when you charged us, and up top in Glade twice I believe.

Every loss you had that night was at my hands I'm almost certain. You couldn't do it yourself, so like I said, you road the coat tails of Havok/Nexus (ie Walks being your healer, etc). I didn't ask for any outside help, as you requested, but you, LOL....

You literally fed me 150k trying Glade over and over and over again, yet you come on here bragging?

I didn't say anything after the fight as I felt we proved our point clearly whipping you several times (count them -- more times then you whipped us). But I guess we're gonna have to make you part of our highlight reel too :-)

jtaggs17b14_ESO

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

Watching 2 blob guilds fight over who is better at zerging is like watching 2 fat chicks wrestle over a cheese burger that someone dropped on the floor.

especially when one fat chick loses so bad he rage quits

ataggs

Aegonnn wrote: »

You need to self-sustain and coordinate way better imo in a small group with way more skill. Not just spamming steel tornados and barriers.

Barrier spamming? We wish!!!!!

Aegonnn wrote: »

Give us back Steve and Kirsi though.

No.

Erondil

Teargrants wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

I asked this in zone once in a bit of a cheeky way. I'll ask it again with only slightly less cheek. At what critical juncture does exactly one more person turn a normal group into a zerg? I think the nature of that one special person bears research since once they join, a beautiful, pure, morally upright group becomes a filthy lag spewing zerg.

This is important.

-B

We already established the answer through exhaustive zergtistical anaylsis in Sypher's thread; the 9th person in group turns it into a zerg. As soon as he joins, the other 8 drop approximately 50 IQ and lose their individuality. This is known as Sypher's Law of Zergification.

In a double blind study, 88% of small man players reported they could feel the loss of motor skills when their group size passed Derra's Number.

8 people is when bomb group AoE builds become way more optimal than single target assist builds, and I think its what Derra means when he says anything over 8 is a zerg. Call it as you want, zerg, bomb group, raid, more than 8 people is definitely not what I define as a small/"normal" group, and is the point individual skill starts to matter less than group coordination and leader's skill (group coordination requires individual skill for sure, but not the same kind than solo/smallscale group). Zerg is not always used in a negative sense as you seem to think.

emma666

Aegonnn wrote: »

Sorry... Haxus, Rage, Khole, even EU Banana Squad is still around so no, not the best guild. I've seen all of them pull off better wipes with 10-12 people. When have you seen a VE raid of 10 wipe a full raid? Does VE even exist when they dont have 24? You need to self-sustain and coordinate way better imo in a small group with way more skill. Not just spamming steel tornados and barriers. If Havoc ever had a full 24 that 1 day out of the week for 2 hours on the weekend it was unstoppable and not fun. We stayed small for a reason. But hey, if you like lag and zerging people down then zerg away. Just my opinion. Give us back Steve and Kirsi though.

Well... He said what everyone who isn't VE is thinking. Cringeworthy, VE.

allen-iverson

NPK Daniel wrote: »

I wrecked you at the teleporter in Glade, the bottom of the steps when Glade flipped, outside bleakers when you charged us, and up top in Glade twice I believe.

Every loss you had that night was at my hands I'm almost certain. You couldn't do it yourself, so like I said, you road the coat tails of Havok/Nexus (ie Walks being your healer, etc). I didn't ask for any outside help, as you requested, but you, LOL....

You literally fed me 150k trying Glade over and over and over again, yet you come on here bragging?

I didn't say anything after the fight as I felt we proved our point clearly whipping you several times (count them -- more times then you whipped us). But I guess we're gonna have to make you part of our highlight reel too :-)

Whilst they were outnumbered You made them push you at possibly one of the best chokes in the game. As far as them taking multiple tries to do it who cares? they did it. you couldn't hold. you got pushed to your gates and sucked your thumb till it was over.

GG

Satiar

NPK Daniel wrote: »

I wrecked you at the teleporter in Glade, the bottom of the steps when Glade flipped, outside bleakers when you charged us, and up top in Glade twice I believe.

Every loss you had that night was at my hands I'm almost certain. You couldn't do it yourself, so like I said, you road the coat tails of Havok/Nexus (ie Walks being your healer, etc). I didn't ask for any outside help, as you requested, but you, LOL....

You literally fed me 150k trying Glade over and over and over again, yet you come on here bragging?

I didn't say anything after the fight as I felt we proved our point clearly whipping you several times (count them -- more times then you whipped us). But I guess we're gonna have to make you part of our highlight reel too :-)

Oh man.

Walks is an old friend of mine and came to raid because I was lacking 4+ core healers. Almost half our healing core wasnt even there

Sure, we died twice at Glade. We pushed a third floor choke against what was about 70 DC and lost. We got pushed by you at the transitus while dealing with a yellow raid that took most of our ultis, while being pounded by oil and most hilarious a full raid on the second stairs throwing meteors at us. We own both those losses they're in the video. And then we came back and took Glade from you with your entire faction in it. And than you ragequit.

Forget winning with even numbers Daniel, you could t hold Glade with 3x our numbers. Suck it up, stop taunting your allies, and stop stacking raids

Aegonnn

I don't think I have even *one* time in the last 5 months been online with a raid and had to defend a keep from you. Not one time. If I wanted to never wipe I'd do what you guys do, and sit in defensible positions and wait for my enemy to come to me. Instead we go out and find fights, and find put ourselves in hard spots just to see if we can.

I have all the respect on the world for you Aegon, and what Haxus can do, but I'm sorry. The challenge is there. You know when we log on. If you want a challenge for your raid come take *** from me when we're running, because that literally never happens.

LOL, seriously? Yeah the 8man I'm in is going to come take Chal and Aleswel to get zerged down by your 24, NPKs 2 raids, and Tyberious 24 usually at the same time, then what 2 hours later you say sorry for zerging us down. That's usually how it goes. I can challenge you to run a 10man for once and watch you get smacked all over the map lmao.