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Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Why not....ZOS found largely when facing a communication option they chose simplicity over complexity which gave the console platforms what ZOS found was a best fit. I can provide many reasons why I personally wouldn't add the feature but overall what works on PC isn't natural for consoles due to the different peripherials.
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
ZOS did give us on console the best method of communication, you and others just feel otherwise.
On 11/2 we will see a different tone from PC when game-pad support is added with only being accessible via the console-like UI for PC. This inclusion of game-pad and console-like UI with no voice capabilities will birth many threadsEdited by NewBlacksmurf on October 19, 2015 4:33PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭By the 9! Come back after 2 days and there's another of these threads!
Is there really more to say on this matter? There have to be 100 other threads of exactly the same thing.
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PinoZino✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Why not....ZOS found largely when facing a communication option they chose simplicity over complexity which gave the console platforms what ZOS found was a best fit. I can provide many reasons why I personally wouldn't add the feature but overall what works on PC isn't natural for consoles due to the different peripherials.
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
ZOS did give us on console the best method of communication, you and others just feel otherwise.
On 11/2 we will see a different tone from PC when game-pad support is added with only being accessible via the console-like UI for PC. This inclusion of game-pad and console-like UI with no voice capabilities will birth many threads
Indeed. With some luck we'll see threads like "OMG ZOS !(èç'(§ ! REMOVE TEXTCHAT NOW"
More seriously: it will be very interesting to see if gamepad/VoiceChat could beat keyboard-mouse/TextChat.
I guess not. The people are more used to the keyboard/mouse combo, old habits die hard. And VoiceChat can be used with the keyboard/mouse combo as well.
With the mouse you can point about 50% faster as with the gamepad.
That's rather a lot. It's the difference between kill or get killed. Average Keyboard/mouse players will eat Expert Gamepad players as lunch.
I don't see the Gamepad survive a long time on the PC.
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Uberkull✭✭✭✭✭.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Are we moving toward a society where we just yell at everyone and everything all the time to get what we want?
I'll stick with text. It's noisy enough as it is.3 -
Astaris✭I use the PS/4 because, as I have stated before, it was a better economic fit for my family. I have a Degree in Computer Science, and I can assure you its no big deal to use my Bluetooth keyboard.
When I play FF, I have no issue using the controller for combat and movement, and the keyboard for messages.
And please, although we may theorize why ZOS choose to not implement text, don't tell me I don't want it, because i'm a slobbering teen console noob.
If you hate it and it was optional, turn it off! This reminds me of the flying debacle in WOW. The pro flyers suggested if your play style is better with ground transport, choose to not fly. The anti-flyers said , NO I don't like it so YOU CANT HAVE IT.
Optional solves the problem. Telling people that they don't have the mental capacity to work with such a kludge, is just condescending.
If you are against it, switch it off!
My 2.2 cents
P.S. I am not calling out anyone in this thread, its just this one angle I would like to see minimized.
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Asherons_Call✭✭✭✭✭
✭I use the PS/4 because, as I have stated before, it was a better economic fit for my family. I have a Degree in Computer Science, and I can assure you its no big deal to use my Bluetooth keyboard.
When I play FF, I have no issue using the controller for combat and movement, and the keyboard for messages.
And please, although we may theorize why ZOS choose to not implement text, don't tell me I don't want it, because i'm a slobbering teen console noob.
If you hate it and it was optional, turn it off! This reminds me of the flying debacle in WOW. The pro flyers suggested if your play style is better with ground transport, choose to not fly. The anti-flyers said , NO I don't like it so YOU CANT HAVE IT.
Optional solves the problem. Telling people that they don't have the mental capacity to work with such a kludge, is just condescending.
If you are against it, switch it off!
My 2.2 cents
P.S. I am not calling out anyone in this thread, its just this one angle I would like to see minimized.
They're using the "we don't know what we want" angle fairly often aren't they? Very condescending. Been gaming 30 years now so I'm pretty sure I know1 -
Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I still don't see the difference in a console player switching devices to a pc player doing the same whilst using a controller but whatever, his arguments are ridiculous and all this thread does is give him another to troll and try to derail.
We have to translate it like:
I still don't want to see the differences...
...he's having another view as I am, at such he must be trolling.
Ok.
So explain the difference... explain how a console player switching from controller to keyboard is any different than a pc player switching from controller to keyboard.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on October 19, 2015 7:56PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I still don't see the difference in a console player switching devices to a pc player doing the same whilst using a controller but whatever, his arguments are ridiculous and all this thread does is give him another to troll and try to derail.
We have to translate it like:
I still don't want to see the differences...
...he's having another view as I am, at such he must be trolling.
Ok.
So explain the difference... explain how a console player switching from controller to keyboard is any different than a pc player switching from controller to keyboard.
Functionally, I can't really see a difference.1 -
Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
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We are fully conversant of ALL text programs available for any platform or technology but are complete idiots when it comes to hardware apparently. I wonder if we can even figure out that we don't need to use a wired keyboard and mouse if we have one of those little doodads that lets them be wireless. I doubt it.Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
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Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat,
Of course there could be no people in front of the dungeon using text chat, thats the point. Unlike voice, using text chat they dont have to be standing next to you in order to contact them. They could be on the other side of the map collecting mats or whatever, but they would see the message at least.c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
Not sure what the other problems would be? Cant say I noticed any yet with the PC version text chat anyway, not even on PTS with a controller either.It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution.
Using your comparisons, to me this 'cant find a group/guild', 'cant trade with others', 'cant call for help' etc, etc are all just symptoms. I would think the disease here, is the inability to address zone. By zone I mean players who:
1) you do not know and
2) are not in same guild as you and
3) are currently in game playing and located on your map somewhere, but not necessarily anywhere near you.
I believe the cure would be a way to both contact and communicate in-game with players who meet these criteria through some sort of method that allows them as well as yourself to monitor the discussion without leaving or taking their attention away from the game screen while playing.
As I have said before, I am not rigid in belief this needs to be done by using text chat and there is no other way possible. But honestly, and perhaps I am just drawing from experience and other games Ive played, text chat is the only idea I have been able to come up with. So of course I am certainly interested in hearing your ideas of what the cure (best solution) for this problem should be?
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✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Asherons_Call wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
Yes you do. I have done so repeatedly with a number of different keyboards. Okay, so you have to activate it, but, honestly, all you do is plug it in (or, in my case - plug in the wireless adapter for my keyboard and mouse combo).0 -
kaskel2000✭✭Pino. I had a whole post earlier that was pretty much trying to understand your point of view and find the middle ground. Unfortunately that didn't get posted due to an erroneous emoji. But now I've read all the rest of your posts and I'm starting to think you are just trolling those of us who wish there was text chat. 3rd party programs is just rediculous. I've been multitasking (swapping devices) since I was in school doodling while I was working. I've been reading words on a television (subtitles) since tv started showing subtitles for people with strong accents (sometimes it's a little much on uk tv
. To the stage where I don't know why they've used em as I can perfectly understand what's being said).
Every text chat thread you jump on and I've only been around a few weeks. I don't get why your against a solution that's been used since ultima online and so each bubbles! Yes I agree that we are very lucky to have voice chat integrated. It is THE best form of communication when in dungeons and raids. Every mmo I've played has only become better when in a raid/dungeon when we've used VOIP programs or the rare inclusion of voice in the game. But voice chat complements text chat. You don't need voice chat. I've done some of the harder end game raids in various mmos without voice chat and everyone was fine. Voice chat just makes it easier.
Pino your on the European server right? Invite me to your guild and prove to me that voice chat on its own is adequate and I will post here and agree that this mmo doesn't need text chat as long as you can get a good group. My characters name is Caladren. I've got the next two weeks off work and other than planing to be a tourist in London for once rather than working there I have no plans other than progressing as much as I can. So give me a shout and prove me wrong!3 -
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✭Asherons_Call wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
Yes you do. I have done so repeatedly with a number of different keyboards. Okay, so you have to activate it, but, honestly, all you do is plug it in (or, in my case - plug in the wireless adapter for my keyboard and mouse combo).
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✭MercyKilling wrote: »
Srub? I own a top rig with ESO on it and was playing that since launch you fool.
You're the one platform srub.0 -
Yggdrasil_Gof✭✭✭Vulsahdaal wrote: »Yggdrasil_Gof wrote: »I think it would be a waste of time and money for Zenimax to add it. Unlike PC players who must have a keyboard very few console players have a need for one. On the other hand console players have headsets. As for annoying noises we would have an annoying new window with spam too, and at this point many people would instinctively use the system they have already got used to. The great thing about voice chat is that you can switch channels easily, and mute everyone else. Also no clunky typing and trying tho use a controller at the same time. Voice chat is instant, and you can play totally unhindered at the same time.
As I say, a waste of time and money for a communication system that very few console players would use, especially as most console games use this form of communication.
I don't know wether It's the type of player this game attracts, but unlike FPS I rarely hear anyone on the public channel anyway. Ironically the most chat I hear is in PvP when people are discussing tactics. There are those who want it, or feel it is needed, but the unfortunate thing for them is they are a small minority.
I cant say for sure whether those who are currently playing on console and want a text chat are a minority or not, it seems they are a majority if we are to go by polls/votes taken here on this forum. But regardless, I do suspect that no matter what their numbers may actually be at this moment, that these numbers will rise considerably once people see the possibilities of having a zone chat.
Also, wasting time and money on something that would have you add a device that not only didnt come with your platform, which people who use that platform are not accustomed to using because is seldom needed, and would require switching devices back and forth as well as was only being asked for by an actual small minority anyway, does not seem to be an issue for ZOS. If it were, I doubt they would go through the trouble of adding controller support to PC, would they?
I'm not saying you are wrong, this is only my opinion. It seems there are many writing here that want it, but that doesn't mean it is a majority of players. Threads like this one are bound to draw a majority of people that want whatever the the subject is as it is more important to them. Again a vote only draws people who are passionate about the subject, it doesn't count all those who don't care. Again that is only the console players that use the forum at all.
As for keyboard use on console, how many people with a console do you think actually have let alone regularly use a keyboard. Our of about 50 people I know, (real people, not online), I am the only one who has tried to use a keyboard with my console. I used it twice, and gave up, as everyone else used voice chat. As for my online friends when I look at thier trophies I can't see many, if any games were a keyboard could be used for anything. If I look at my collection of games there are almost none that have keyboard use.
The other problem would be having two communication systems, it may get confusing, people would miss out as much on important and interesting conversations in one format as they are all the rubbish that goes with that system.
I'm not saying it mustn't be there, I just think they need to improve the voice chat system then there would be no need for text chat. I can't see why anything people want txt chat for can't be part of an improved voice chat system, zone chat for example. What can txt chat give you that a good voice chat system can't apart from a distraction as you're trying to play, or a blind spot were you can miss things. If you use both you'll just end up with all the problems of both. Spamming on the screen, and in the ear, music, bad language, trying to read a message as you're being slaughtered. As for everyone else that uses on or other will be divided into two tribes. If you only use voice chat you're unlikely to have the text chat window open, or area voice chat if you use txt chat.
As for controller support, is it possible that for such a highly anticipated game for PC, and console that it would be a draw for console players that couldn't wait for it come out on their machine. That's what agent Mulder told me.2 -
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Uberkull✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.
I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?
Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf
I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.
If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.
You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:
Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri
So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.
Done. Drop mic.
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✭"There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic."
Exactly what I have to do to find a group. I also would like to add that I jump up and down while saying"would you like to join a group" so they can possibly see me better.
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kaskel2000✭✭And that's what I don't get. Text chat works for every other console mmo and every pc mmo since the dawn of mmo's so why not in this one. Including text chat with the controller ui on Pc just hubs salt in. mmo's are social and this mmo is not social at all. For those saying that text chat would get filled with spammers, yes it would to a point. That's why every other mmo has a black lost and/or a mod team. For those saying about swearing this forum has a profanity filter (real life doesn't remember so if your offended by hearing the occasional swear I feel sorry for your real life). In an idealistic world voice chat WOULD be the best option for every mmo but in the real world it's incredibly flawed for zone chat, getting groups together and general chit chat.0
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cerrudo33✭✭✭My memories from Neverwinter (and similarly warframe)
"1700 GS control wiz w/ vorp/stone/soul LFG (insert dungeon(s) here)"
Within 5 minutes I have a pug group with pure randoms but all know what they doing and never used voice, ask in chat "know the dungeon?" "All yes = just go... No = have mic?"
Point is that the argument in regards to the superiority of voice chat is mute and irrelevant.. my personal example shows how a COMBINATION of the 2 compliments the strengths and covers the weaknesses of the other.
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.
I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?
Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf
I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.
If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.
You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:
Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri
So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.
Done. Drop mic.
Confusion...occurs when users aren't sure when and how best to interact with others because of multiple options vs a focused approach. The best and most effective choice for console is to utilize what most console owners use to communicate in other games which is their headsets. While the MMO-like games largely found on PC offer text chat boxes that's also a simple and effective approach that causes less confusion. It's the same approach but different hardware and in an established community where headsets are as common to consoles as keyboards are common to PC, you go with what makes sense.
*Side note....after playing on PTS with the console UI on PC...it's often obscured by the console UI so let's assume this is how it would be if on console as it's the exact same UI...you're O K if just typing but where many want to use it to trade and link items, as well as group, you literally have some interesting choices or lack thereof.
-I don't want to argue and welcome your discussions so...your earlier response seemed to be directed to another forum users words but you did quote my words....reading your comments and understanding my conversation lead me to believe you intended to quote me but were in fact responded in context to someone else
-As far as sticking to the quote you reference...you shouldn't take part of a conversation and make a quote as you loose context of the discussion....you're taking a part of my entire response and used cell phone information which was what the other forum user was discussing with their references.
In terms of this video game...Microsoft, Sony, TurtleBeach, Bose, Logitech, Polk are companies who specifically provide high-end devices to improve communication on consoles. There aren't the same level of companies and investment on consoles who aim to build on text only interactions but there are for PC. In context as this is a topic about consoles, the comment is addressing the best opportunity for communication on consoles as of April. You keep showing an Xbox one only keypad that isn't out yet. If we were in a situation where I'm 2013 this existed both on Xbox one and ps4 and were in-the-box at purchase them that completely changes this topic as well as how the game would've been designed but even the concept that during development when intended to launch the Xbox one didn't even fully support all USB keyboards this idea tat text chat on consoles at best would've been a niche opportunity for a few.
You did not bring facts relevant to the topic, you pulled information which is also subject to contradiction as you're attempting to suggest that other devices, used outside of gaming in a user interface where both hardware and software create a natural and relevant interaction for users for only communication but completely absent of this level of gaming moves that information to pointless
Your thoughts on how I play are outside of reality but if it helps, you can often find me grouped on the weekends in groups greater than 8 and during the week questing or doing pugs. I just finished running with two different IC groups as we moved through all the top parts of IC and added, recruited, organized and removed group members. Just because you're having issues grouping or finding groups don't assume others have the same issues.
I do agree that lets not bring up things that don't belong to video games....such as text chat when a better option is offered.
Also the games you list are almost all free to play and very poor quality games. It's cheaper to offer text frenzy vs an actual quality experience. Ya know like how the upcoming Star Wars console game offers no text or voice chat....for a poor quality game.
And lastly...as I continue to suggest to you, go back and watch the ESO live episodes because your lacking comprehension of what information was shared as to why ZOS is not offering text chat and why things like push to talk are not offered.
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Vulsahdaal✭✭✭✭✭I am sure they will add it anyway, its a massive *** up on there part.
Since there are way more of us on console than PC, I know that for a fact.
Well it definitely wasnt such a good idea to leave it out, and I hope youre right that they will add it eventually. I noted in PTS that the controller UI is pretty much the same as the console UI, with at least one difference. There is a feature on the PC controller UI to 'Link item to chat'. Though it does work, to an extent, I have found no other interactions with or even an activation of text chat can be done with the controller. But then again, why should there be? The keyboard/mouse is far more efficient for such things, and contrary to what some here would say, its really no big deal at all to switch devices for playing and typing.
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Very poor quality games? Final Fantasy ? Warframe? DC Universe Onlne?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.
I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?
Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf
I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.
If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.
You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:
Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri
So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.
Done. Drop mic.
Also the games you list are almost all free to play and very poor quality games. It's cheaper to offer text frenzy vs an actual quality experience. Ya know like how the upcoming Star Wars console game offers no text or voice chat....for a poor quality game.
You seriously have no clue what you are talking about. Period.
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