@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Why not....ZOS found largely when facing a communication option they chose simplicity over complexity which gave the console platforms what ZOS found was a best fit. I can provide many reasons why I personally wouldn't add the feature but overall what works on PC isn't natural for consoles due to the different peripherials.
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
ZOS did give us on console the best method of communication, you and others just feel otherwise.
On 11/2 we will see a different tone from PC when game-pad support is added with only being accessible via the console-like UI for PC. This inclusion of game-pad and console-like UI with no voice capabilities will birth many threads
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
I use the PS/4 because, as I have stated before, it was a better economic fit for my family. I have a Degree in Computer Science, and I can assure you its no big deal to use my Bluetooth keyboard.
When I play FF, I have no issue using the controller for combat and movement, and the keyboard for messages.
And please, although we may theorize why ZOS choose to not implement text, don't tell me I don't want it, because i'm a slobbering teen console noob.
If you hate it and it was optional, turn it off! This reminds me of the flying debacle in WOW. The pro flyers suggested if your play style is better with ground transport, choose to not fly. The anti-flyers said , NO I don't like it so YOU CANT HAVE IT.
Optional solves the problem. Telling people that they don't have the mental capacity to work with such a kludge, is just condescending.
If you are against it, switch it off!
My 2.2 cents
P.S. I am not calling out anyone in this thread, its just this one angle I would like to see minimized.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I still don't see the difference in a console player switching devices to a pc player doing the same whilst using a controller but whatever, his arguments are ridiculous and all this thread does is give him another to troll and try to derail.
We have to translate it like:
I still don't want to see the differences...
...he's having another view as I am, at such he must be trolling.
Ok.
.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I still don't see the difference in a console player switching devices to a pc player doing the same whilst using a controller but whatever, his arguments are ridiculous and all this thread does is give him another to troll and try to derail.
We have to translate it like:
I still don't want to see the differences...
...he's having another view as I am, at such he must be trolling.
Ok.
So explain the difference... explain how a console player switching from controller to keyboard is any different than a pc player switching from controller to keyboard.
kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
We are fully conversant of ALL text programs available for any platform or technology but are complete idiots when it comes to hardware apparently. I wonder if we can even figure out that we don't need to use a wired keyboard and mouse if we have one of those little doodads that lets them be wireless. I doubt it.Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat,
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution.
Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
Asherons_Call wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
Asherons_Call wrote: »Vulsahdaal wrote: »kaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
I really do not understand why people are so against including text chat. Every other console mmo on the market has text chat.
Pino you stated somewhere back about using a third party chat program. That's just a little ridiculous. Imagine I'm new to the game. How would I ever know about this third party chat program? Text chat is there to make friends/groups with random strangers. Yes you may end up using a third party program for voice or for a forum later on once you've made friends with a group but you shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops trying to figure out how to socialise in an mmo right at the beginning.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service.
Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol
Yes you do. I have done so repeatedly with a number of different keyboards. Okay, so you have to activate it, but, honestly, all you do is plug it in (or, in my case - plug in the wireless adapter for my keyboard and mouse combo).
MercyKilling wrote: »
Vulsahdaal wrote: »Yggdrasil_Gof wrote: »I think it would be a waste of time and money for Zenimax to add it. Unlike PC players who must have a keyboard very few console players have a need for one. On the other hand console players have headsets. As for annoying noises we would have an annoying new window with spam too, and at this point many people would instinctively use the system they have already got used to. The great thing about voice chat is that you can switch channels easily, and mute everyone else. Also no clunky typing and trying tho use a controller at the same time. Voice chat is instant, and you can play totally unhindered at the same time.
As I say, a waste of time and money for a communication system that very few console players would use, especially as most console games use this form of communication.
I don't know wether It's the type of player this game attracts, but unlike FPS I rarely hear anyone on the public channel anyway. Ironically the most chat I hear is in PvP when people are discussing tactics. There are those who want it, or feel it is needed, but the unfortunate thing for them is they are a small minority.
I cant say for sure whether those who are currently playing on console and want a text chat are a minority or not, it seems they are a majority if we are to go by polls/votes taken here on this forum. But regardless, I do suspect that no matter what their numbers may actually be at this moment, that these numbers will rise considerably once people see the possibilities of having a zone chat.
Also, wasting time and money on something that would have you add a device that not only didnt come with your platform, which people who use that platform are not accustomed to using because is seldom needed, and would require switching devices back and forth as well as was only being asked for by an actual small minority anyway, does not seem to be an issue for ZOS. If it were, I doubt they would go through the trouble of adding controller support to PC, would they?
NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.
I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?
Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf
I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.
If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.
You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:
Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri
So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.
Done. Drop mic.
I am sure they will add it anyway, its a massive *** up on there part.
Since there are way more of us on console than PC, I know that for a fact.
Very poor quality games? Final Fantasy ? Warframe? DC Universe Onlne?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: ».NewBlacksmurf wrote: »@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there
@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;Pkaskel2000 wrote: »For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.
You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.
It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:
* not finding a group
The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.
You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...
a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems
It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.
New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:
there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication
Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.
What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.
2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.
Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.
Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.
Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)
Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).
Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.
In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.
I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.
This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.
In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.
Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.
I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.
There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.
I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?
Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf
I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.
If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.
You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:
Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri
So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.
Done. Drop mic.
Also the games you list are almost all free to play and very poor quality games. It's cheaper to offer text frenzy vs an actual quality experience. Ya know like how the upcoming Star Wars console game offers no text or voice chat....for a poor quality game.