Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

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Artjuh90 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there

@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;P

PinoZino wrote: »

kaskel2000 wrote: »

For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.

You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.

It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:

* not finding a group

The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.

You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...

a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems

It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.

New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:

there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication

Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.

What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.

2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.

Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.

Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.

Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)

Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).

Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.

In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.

I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.

This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.

In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.

Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.

I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.

There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.

I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?

Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf

I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.

If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.

You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:

Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri

So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.

Done. Drop mic.

Also the games you list are almost all free to play and very poor quality games. It's cheaper to offer text frenzy vs an actual quality experience. Ya know like how the upcoming Star Wars console game offers no text or voice chat....for a poor quality game.

Very poor quality games? Final Fantasy ? Warframe? DC Universe Onlne?

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about. Period.

Your Opinion...

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

Cadbury · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

So do you work within Microsoft's corporate infrastructure or are you more of a freelance tester for Xbox? I'm curious since this isn't knowledge that the general public is privy to.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Cadbury wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

So do you work within Microsoft's corporate infrastructure or are you more of a freelance tester for Xbox? I'm curious since this isn't knowledge that the general public is privy to.

I do a lot of stuff here and there....I won't give specifics but I have ties with Xbox, NFL, NCAA, PGA, LPGA which is mostly media and entertainment related

:-) I'm not on Xbox's payroll tho

I will say this tho...options will develop and open up as each dev sees fit at a later date

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

Good to know that you have already decided how a feature will be utilized by developers of which you have no knowledge.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

Good to know that you have already decided how a feature will be utilized by developers of which you have no knowledge.

Wow...your responding very offensively to something you have no information on...

It's Xbox so what I know is always subject to change as I'm not a developer for them but ppl are jumping to this idea that they're going to just plug a mouse into the console and game is very far off. While possible if a developer chooses it's far off based on what's going on

Cadbury · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

So do you work within Microsoft's corporate infrastructure or are you more of a freelance tester for Xbox? I'm curious since this isn't knowledge that the general public is privy to.

I do a lot of stuff here and there....I won't give specifics but I have ties with Xbox, NFL, NCAA, PGA, LPGA which is mostly media and entertainment related

:-) I'm not on Xbox's payroll tho

I will say this tho...options will develop and open up as each dev sees fit at a later date

Ah, I see. For a moment I thought you were one of my former business clients. But I didn't think so because as far as I know, he never visited any game forums.

Heh, had me going for a second there -sheepish grin-

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Cadbury wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cadbury wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

So do you work within Microsoft's corporate infrastructure or are you more of a freelance tester for Xbox? I'm curious since this isn't knowledge that the general public is privy to.

I do a lot of stuff here and there....I won't give specifics but I have ties with Xbox, NFL, NCAA, PGA, LPGA which is mostly media and entertainment related

:-) I'm not on Xbox's payroll tho

I will say this tho...options will develop and open up as each dev sees fit at a later date

Ah, I see. For a moment I thought you were one of my former business clients. But I didn't think so because as far as I know, he never visited any game forums.

Heh, had me going for a second there -sheepish grin-

Hahaha...I don't know who you're referring to but I'm not that guy or gal

To be honest tho I think for this genre we'd all be better off if the Xbox team took to the 2 year old feedback because as far as capability goes it's very possible to offer instead of a $150 controller a $150 peripherial that both addresses concerns raised for both Sony and Microsoft for all their gaming devices so ppl aren't holding two and three different items to just control their entertainment

....but not I'm not your guy

TheArgonianFan2015 · October 2015

With text chat I could create scenes for RP, such as this.........

"John Doe lies by the tree, his legs tired from walking, he lets out a yawn as he props his back against the tree"

It is easier and more convient to create scenes for ones character with text instead of voice.

Also similar to WoW, if there was a text chat for ESO, it could make it easier to do some of the emotes.

For example, I type "/cry"

then the text box says "John Doe Crys" while your character does the action.

The fact that I can not express RP through text chat and create scenes/emotes with it, and also my masculine voice not going well in a voice only RP as my dunmer Lady, forces me to have to play a mute elf who cant even let out emotes that fast, if I want to RP with said character.

willymchilybily · October 2015

who needs text chat. lets go one step further from now on the forums will be voice chat, and you can only communicate with those in your local area.

I also wouldn't want non forum users to miss out on the authentic console experience so why not for 3 days over a weekend remove text chat from PC. Give them voice area chat only. Let every feel the joy of playing an MMO where you can only communicate with others through a microphone if they are in the same area as you.

I'm sure they will agree its a real good idea ZOS, top notch MMO experience. My immersion is ever so enhanced by have to spend 10 minutes loading into a town and then having to listen to some squeaker or appauling music through a crackling microphone. Oh and the only way to mute someone is by blocking them via PSN actually blocking other PSN users just so their mic is muted, That is well thought out! so glad you didnt give optional text chat,

psh who needs that when your grouping system works so well i can PUG any delve in only a few hours of waiting!

/sarcasm

PinoZino · October 2015

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

So explain the difference... explain how a console player switching from controller to keyboard is any different than a pc player switching from controller to keyboard.

So you really think they are the same?

Both have their keyboard on the same solid underground?

No, they don't.

The PC users can use the keyboard in a comfortable setting, the Console user in general can't.

Doesn't mean the Gamepad PC player will not suffer from the shifting.

It's rather predictable that we'll see not much PvP PC guys using a gamepad.

Kammakazi · October 2015

willymchilybily wrote: »

who needs text chat. lets go one step further from now on the forums will be voice chat, and you can only communicate with those in your local area.

I also wouldn't want non forum users to miss out on the authentic console experience so why not for 3 days over a weekend remove text chat from PC. Give them voice area chat only. Let every feel the joy of playing an MMO where you can only communicate with others through a microphone if they are in the same area as you.

I'm sure they will agree its a real good idea ZOS, top notch MMO experience. My immersion is ever so enhanced by have to spend 10 minutes loading into a town and then having to listen to some squeaker or appauling music through a crackling microphone. Oh and the only way to mute someone is by blocking them via PSN actually blocking other PSN users just so their mic is muted, That is well thought out! so glad you didnt give optional text chat,

psh who needs that when your grouping system works so well i can PUG any delve in only a few hours of waiting!

/sarcasm

PinoZino · October 2015

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Wait a minute..Are these the same players that we were told a couple of pages ago would not be able to figure out how to plug a keyboard wire into the empty hole in their console? But yet they can easily find their way to a third-party chat service? Something dont seem right here lol

Yes. Because it's so difficult to use Google, they never did before.

And of course all people will not only recognize the USB ports are the same in both worlds, they will all also have the mental model that you can share a lot hardware with both worlds.

PinoZino · October 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

They're using the "we don't know what we want" angle fairly often aren't they? Very condescending. Been gaming 30 years now so I'm pretty sure I know

You are using a computer since 30 years as well. Can you now design a computer?
No, because you're probably not an engineer.
However, you do really believe you can, since you're a user since 30 years.

You are also since a longtime a customer of your local hairdresser. According your mental map, you're now a qualified hairdresser on your own.

It's of the same level.

You have an explanation why UX and usability guys have to study a lot for several years, gain some experience as well before they can carry out their job?

Why should they do, if you as a gamer could deliver the same?

If it is was all that simple, why do most websites, games and software have so many usability mistakes?
That's weird. No? Because even you, without the academically background, knowledge and experience could detect them fast and all.

If it was all that simple, why didn't you design the UI for smartphones 15 years ago? If it was all that simple why were you not the first with the design of the Google website?

You were probably an experienced phone user, you were probably an experienced search engine user too. Doesn't mean you have the capacities to design the UI of a smartphone or a Google.

May I ask, what's your profession? And given your age, you're pretty trained in carrying out that job, no? You do have the experience, no? Now, how would you feel if an outsider, a complete noob to your profession would say: "I can do, what you can because I used your service since 30 years".

PinoZino · October 2015

kaskel2000 wrote: »

Pino. I had a whole post earlier that was pretty much trying to understand your point of view and find the middle ground. Unfortunately that didn't get posted due to an erroneous emoji. But now I've read all the rest of your posts and I'm starting to think you are just trolling those of us who wish there was text chat. 3rd party programs is just rediculous. I've been multitasking (swapping devices) since I was in school doodling while I was working. I've been reading words on a television (subtitles) since tv started showing subtitles for people with strong accents (sometimes it's a little much on uk tv . To the stage where I don't know why they've used em as I can perfectly understand what's being said).

Every text chat thread you jump on and I've only been around a few weeks. I don't get why your against a solution that's been used since ultima online and so each bubbles! Yes I agree that we are very lucky to have voice chat integrated. It is THE best form of communication when in dungeons and raids. Every mmo I've played has only become better when in a raid/dungeon when we've used VOIP programs or the rare inclusion of voice in the game. But voice chat complements text chat. You don't need voice chat. I've done some of the harder end game raids in various mmos without voice chat and everyone was fine. Voice chat just makes it easier.

Pino your on the European server right? Invite me to your guild and prove to me that voice chat on its own is adequate and I will post here and agree that this mmo doesn't need text chat as long as you can get a good group. My characters name is Caladren. I've got the next two weeks off work and other than planing to be a tourist in London for once rather than working there I have no plans other than progressing as much as I can. So give me a shout and prove me wrong!

Probably, you didn't read all. lol

A- I'm not a VoiceChat user at all. I don't like crying babies, fighting couples and faulty loud music of another. It's not practical for me as well, since I play in the bedroom, while my wife is sleeping next to me. She would love it when I would cry from time to time "Eliminate that bozz, now".

B- I never, never, never ever wrote 'You can do it all with VoiceChat'.

C- I wrote several times that we need more, better and richer functionality to communicate. In fact, I don't see ESO survive on the long-term if they don't fix the communication issues.

Diehard players, why do they return to the MMO game? Not because the game is that good, mostly they have seen it all and bought the t-shirt, but they return because there's a community out there. They have made friends, they have a social bound.
But these social structures can only start and survive if we can communicate with each other adequately. IMHO, we currently can't.

About C, most of you are on the TextChat track. I'm not.

I think there is better stuff: richer mail system, better groupfinder, an in-game private Guild Forum, ...

And there's some evidence. You know Grepolis? It's an MMO game where you conquer and defend cities together with the members of your clan. Speed of communication is very, very, very important. You would assume an Instant Message System would do the trick.

And they have TextChat. But few are using it. Why? They have better tools to communicate.

But you're invited anyway to the Guild. It could just suddenly happen that you really would like our Guild

dday3six · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

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uberkull wrote: »

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf that's my whole point. it would be stupid to remove text on pc. but why not just give console players one of the most common use of communication in a game that has part designed into it were you have to do it. this is the part that doesn't make sence.
ok we have voice chat but what is the use if it feels like less then 50% of the communtie uses this? give us a other option cause there are already people who stated on this very topic they dont use voice as well due to their own reason. and if i want to search a group in a mayor city it would be nice if people could hear who is communicating and what he just said cause it is really hard to filter stuf out there

@Artheiron p.s. apple is overpriced ;P

PinoZino wrote: »

kaskel2000 wrote: »

For me trying to get into a level 20 dungeon last night really proves to me how much I miss text chat. Spent 20 minutes outside the dungeon spamming "would you like to group?" And when I finally got into a group there was no healer. As none of the rest were using voice chat there was no way to communicate so we failed completely. This all could have been solved by having a simple txt chat.

You are not a doctor and that's why you try to cure a symptom and not the disease.

It's certainly having value that you raise an issue:

* not finding a group

The solution is much worse. Best case it's a 'maybe'.

You try to fix the disease with something you used in other games, but...

a) it's probably not the best solution
b) your solution would certainly not work all the time: there could be no people in front of the dungeon at all, there could be no people in front of the dungeon using TextChat, …
c) the solution is certainly resulting in other problems

It's not that I'm by definition against TextChat, it's more that I think it's not the best solution. TextChat would also result in more problems.

New players could find easily their way to a third-party chat service. They can do, what they always do when they want to find websites:

there is no cure for HIV/AIDS but slowing down the sickness is good. Cause this will probably will be one of the downfalls off eso on console; the lack of communication

Text chat is not one of the most useful tools for communication. It's the worse.
If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice.

What planet do you live on? Texting on mobile devices is used more than voice. We have 69 million customers in the corporation I work at and we are NOT moving to support Voice, we are moving to support MORE mobile, texting transaction based communications.

2014 statistics...and those numbers are growing.
- 57% are contacted via SMS text more than any other form of communication.
- 62% of consumers would most likely switch to a voice-to-text messaging system from a traditional voicemail system.
- 66% prefer to receive news from a close friend through a text-based message rather than by voicemail.

Console feels like a solo game and Cyrodiil isn't close to what PC is without callouts in Zone text chat. Area chat? LOL...go hang out in Crag or the Vamp Shrine to see how 'well' voice works on console.

Keyboard not convenient on Console? I think MS would beg to differ with this fallacy by releasing this on Xbox One.

Hey Uber...welcome back to the forums...I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or directed towards Artjuh based on how the quote was made in your comments and based on other's comments its interpreted that this was understood as towards me ....(that's one of the problems with text chat, its often unclear)

Thanks also for sharing information about polled and survey + data tracking around ways people communicate using a cell phone (not a video game online playing with others).

Just because the use of something is growing and people are doing more of it, doesn't and shouldn't conclude its better or the best. I can pull data showing that more and more adults are playing video games online compared to last gen. We can look at your data and also look at the drastic increase of car accidents as a result of people texting while driving. We can look at the increase in internet arguments and destruction of relationship via the internet as well which are also a direct correlation from the info your sharing but the information actually proves what ZOS is sharing. We can look at the increase of cyber bullying (trolling)....impersonation or account theft.....misinformation.....scamming......effects of mass marketing....ya know, things that all are happening in increased rates in the games that offer text chat.

In regards to what people use vs. what most effective, we can both offer our own opinions. I feel that you read my comments and Artjuh's comments and concluded that those we portraying either ease of use and/or user preferences.

I can't speak for Artjuh but my comments are that typing is not the most effective form of communication.

This conversation is a perfect example....you read my comments and interpreted something else which has occurred many, many times in the past between you and I on different threads.

In comparison, if you and I were talking in the game to one another, even if you heard me wrong because of trying to multi-task, we both would be able to effectively get the correct interpretation in less than a few seconds.

Typing just doesn't offer that level due to different people coming from different backgrounds, regions, languages, or common misspelling and misuse of words often by typing.

I'd imagine ZOS' perspective as shared wasn't ultimately a decision of the ease of prompting and entering characters even tho that is a concern, I took from their ESO Live episodes that they were specifically addressing the most effective or what i refer to as the "best" forms of communications. Overall we are being offered for consoles the best forms of effective communication.

There is no confusion with text chat. I'm in Zone Chat in Cyrodiil and I say 'LFG PvP" and I get a invite almost instantly. It is impossible to do this on console if you enter solo and are at the starting hubs for your faction. All you can do is look on the map and see if something is being sieged or being pvp smart, you prediict a keep that's being assaulted next. Then ride over to the area you think pvp is happening, hope to find a group of your faction pvping and jump around with a stupid quickchat bubble over your head saying 'Do you want to group?". Totally idiotic.

I also clearly quoted your text and responded to you. And as always, you twist around words and responses to make a completely off topic point. You can never make a direct rebuttal. You bring in other tangents which don't pertain to the discussion. Texting and driving accident statistics? WTF are you bringing that up for?

Stick to the original point you made..
"If text chat were so great companies wouldn't be investing millions in capabilities to offer voice, video face with voice and virtual assistants who mainly work on voice." - Newblacksmurf

I brought the facts and stayed on topic, responding to you're logic. And I basically proved you wrong again, as I always do. Statistics say that corporations are moving away from voice support and moving towards self service tools which revolve around text chat and typing based solutions.

If you would actually play ESO with more then 3 other people, you might see how voice chat only limits your ability to reach a wider audience.

You want to stick to video games? Don't bring up things that don't pertain to video games. If I'm sticking to video games and specifically MMO console games, text chat is supported in:

Neverwinter
Warframe
Final Fantasy
DC Universe Online
Planetside 2
Defiance
Onigiri

So according to ZOS logic of text chat being 'inconvenient' for players on console, then all these games must be inconvenient to play.

Done. Drop mic.

Also the games you list are almost all free to play and very poor quality games. It's cheaper to offer text frenzy vs an actual quality experience. Ya know like how the upcoming Star Wars console game offers no text or voice chat....for a poor quality game.

Very poor quality games? Final Fantasy ? Warframe? DC Universe Onlne?

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about. Period.

Your Opinion...

Quality is subjective, but it's not an opinion that FFXIV is not a F2P title.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

UUUgggHHmm!

Well I have taken a break for about a month from ESO and these forums..

It is nice to see that the two ANTI- Text chat crusaders are still blabbing about "Text Chat isn't needed" "People do not know what they want"

I do not understand how anyone would want to STOP anyone from having the option to use text chat!

It just ..............Dose not make any sense to actually want the game to FAIL due to not having a community!

You anti's can say what you want, but I am telling you that this game is indeed losing players over this ... DAILY!
Heck main reason I took a break I had 45 friends F-O-U-R-T-Y--F-I-V-E! that I have enjoyed MMO's with over the years.. From Asherons Call to EQ Rift, WOW, Neverwinter.. about 9 others I have forgotten..

We all bought ESO.. Do you know how many are still playing today?? ... SIX!
These were not your run of the mill "Hey ima buy ESO cuz its SkyreemWitFriends"
MMo players... These were QUALITY "Some hard core" MMO players.. All of them adults /Wait one person was my step son!

Anyway! This games community is dying so fast that our characters should wear surgical mask! It is like a plague!
I guarantee you that if an exit poll was thrown in or sent out to peoples email after being inactive for 3weeks+ that Text Chat would be patched into this game within a month!

Uberkull · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

@NewBlacksmurf

You do know that Xbox One will support a keyboard and mouse for gaming in an upcoming update, right?

I actually test this stuff before you guys get access...I'm fully aware that between the win10 to Xbox one in the New Xbox One Experience there will be new options where it makes sense when a developer chooses to utilize the newer developing tools. Specific to mouse and keyboard...on Xbox one....don't hold your breath

Edit: to be clear it may not be how you think it will be

BS. Getting into the Xbox One preview program isn't difficult. I'm in in it, guilds in it, it's not hard to get into at all. It's nothing special.

Please stop acting like you are above everyone. You actually sound like a fool.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

kaskel2000 wrote: »

Pino. I had a whole post earlier that was pretty much trying to understand your point of view and find the middle ground. Unfortunately that didn't get posted due to an erroneous emoji. But now I've read all the rest of your posts and I'm starting to think you are just trolling those of us who wish there was text chat. 3rd party programs is just rediculous. I've been multitasking (swapping devices) since I was in school doodling while I was working. I've been reading words on a television (subtitles) since tv started showing subtitles for people with strong accents (sometimes it's a little much on uk tv . To the stage where I don't know why they've used em as I can perfectly understand what's being said).

Every text chat thread you jump on and I've only been around a few weeks. I don't get why your against a solution that's been used since ultima online and so each bubbles! Yes I agree that we are very lucky to have voice chat integrated. It is THE best form of communication when in dungeons and raids. Every mmo I've played has only become better when in a raid/dungeon when we've used VOIP programs or the rare inclusion of voice in the game. But voice chat complements text chat. You don't need voice chat. I've done some of the harder end game raids in various mmos without voice chat and everyone was fine. Voice chat just makes it easier.

Pino your on the European server right? Invite me to your guild and prove to me that voice chat on its own is adequate and I will post here and agree that this mmo doesn't need text chat as long as you can get a good group. My characters name is Caladren. I've got the next two weeks off work and other than planing to be a tourist in London for once rather than working there I have no plans other than progressing as much as I can. So give me a shout and prove me wrong!

Welcome to the forums!

Your a fast learner..

PinoZino · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

UUUgggHHmm!

Well I have taken a break for about a month from ESO and these forums..

It is nice to see that the two ANTI- Text chat crusaders are still blabbing about "Text Chat isn't needed" "People do not know what they want"

I do not understand how anyone would want to STOP anyone from having the option to use text chat!

It just ..............Dose not make any sense to actually want the game to FAIL due to not having a community!

You anti's can say what you want, but I am telling you that this game is indeed losing players over this ... DAILY!
Heck main reason I took a break I had 45 friends F-O-U-R-T-Y--F-I-V-E! that I have enjoyed MMO's with over the years.. From Asherons Call to EQ Rift, WOW, Neverwinter.. about 9 others I have forgotten..

We all bought ESO.. Do you know how many are still playing today?? ... SIX!
These were not your run of the mill "Hey ima buy ESO cuz its SkyreemWitFriends"
MMo players... These were QUALITY "Some hard core" MMO players.. All of them adults /Wait one person was my step son!

Anyway! This games community is dying so fast that our characters should wear surgical mask! It is like a plague!
I guarantee you that if an exit poll was thrown in or sent out to peoples email after being inactive for 3weeks+ that Text Chat would be patched into this game within a month!

And they left because no TextChat? Yeah, right

Of course you do not understand why TextChat on consoles would be a bad idea. That's perfectly normal. You are a player, not an UX designer or usability engineer.

You only assume you are one because you played a bit the game.

However, if I was in the ZOS camp, I would take your requirement need very seriously. I would ignore your solution, but I would certainly write down "need better communication tools".

Deheart · October 2015

I paid for the $20 account copy to ps4 so I can play with a controller. Then I learned that there was no Text chat and no addons. Here is my personal feelings and personal thought progression over 2 day try a couple of weeks after console version first came out.

OK, I tell myself, they have an audio chat system and they fixed LFG right? That will make up for NO ADDONS IN A GAME WITH EXTREMELY POOR INVENTORY MANAGEMENT AND NON CENTRALIZED MADE FOR PC NOT CONSOLE AUCTION SYSTEM! I can deal right?

LFG still seems to be broken... ok use audio chat... ok, audio chat sucks... now how do I join gilds, you mean I am forced out of game inorder to find guilds I can join and who to PM? OK, ill just pve for a little while, ooo, this is fun, no being hunched over mouse and keyboard... What? My inventory and bank is already filled again?... I have to vendor good drops and mats in order to have space? Ok, Ill start a new char, and use the others just for crafters and mules... WTF spending more time trying to not waste good items and mats than I am actually playing... WTF?? it feels like I am playing a solo rpg without text chat...??? Why the hell did they deliberately get rid of text chat??? Forget this, going back to PC. Great, now I don't feel like playing on pc either because of the lack of controller support.

Moral of this probably confusing but accurate crapfest, I feel that If they had text chat on console, things would be a whole hell of a lot easier to join guilds and join groups and sell stuff, which is pretty much the whole point of playing an mmo for me.

Funkopotamus · October 2015

PinoZino wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

UUUgggHHmm!

Well I have taken a break for about a month from ESO and these forums..

It is nice to see that the two ANTI- Text chat crusaders are still blabbing about "Text Chat isn't needed" "People do not know what they want"

I do not understand how anyone would want to STOP anyone from having the option to use text chat!

It just ..............Dose not make any sense to actually want the game to FAIL due to not having a community!

You anti's can say what you want, but I am telling you that this game is indeed losing players over this ... DAILY!
Heck main reason I took a break I had 45 friends F-O-U-R-T-Y--F-I-V-E! that I have enjoyed MMO's with over the years.. From Asherons Call to EQ Rift, WOW, Neverwinter.. about 9 others I have forgotten..

We all bought ESO.. Do you know how many are still playing today?? ... SIX!
These were not your run of the mill "Hey ima buy ESO cuz its SkyreemWitFriends"
MMo players... These were QUALITY "Some hard core" MMO players.. All of them adults /Wait one person was my step son!

Anyway! This games community is dying so fast that our characters should wear surgical mask! It is like a plague!
I guarantee you that if an exit poll was thrown in or sent out to peoples email after being inactive for 3weeks+ that Text Chat would be patched into this game within a month!

And they left because no TextChat? Yeah, right

Of course you do not understand why TextChat on consoles would be a bad idea. That's perfectly normal. You are a player, not an UX designer or usability engineer.

You only assume you are one because you played a bit the game.

However, if I was in the ZOS camp, I would take your requirement need very seriously. I would ignore your solution, but I would certainly write down "need better communication tools".

So you are telling me that a start-up company like cryptic studios can throw a text chat together for Neverwinter ON CONSOLE I might add and ESO "Which is ultimately funded by Donald Trumps brother and a few others that sit at the top of the cash chain for ZOS But ZOS cannot find a way to squeeze in a text chat system?

Comunmahhn!...

But feel free to throw your "Know-it-all" sarcasm around here on the forums....

We bottom feeding players luv it!

/Clapp...Clapp... Bravo!

Wanted to add that YES indeed they left due to Text Chat!#1 reason!
#2.. Well TBH some of them felt ESO was too.... Easy? Like BabiesFirstMMO

I do feel that ESO will get better.. At least I hope so, but without a text chat system this community will not last..

PinoZino · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Your a fast learner..

Ow another "You have another view as I do, so you must be a troll".

Ok.

PinoZino · October 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

So you are telling me that a start-up company like cryptic studios can throw a text chat together for Neverwinter ON CONSOLE I might add and ESO "Which is ultimately funded by Donald Trumps brother and a few others that sit at the top of the cash chain for ZOS But ZOS cannot find a way to squeeze in a text chat system?

Comunmahhn!...

But feel free to throw your "Know-it-all" sarcasm around here on the forums....

We bottom feeding players luv it!

/Clapp...Clapp... Bravo!

Wanted to add that YES indeed they left due to Text Chat!#1 reason!
#2.. Well TBH some of them felt ESO was too.... Easy? Like BabiesFirstMMO

I do feel that ESO will get better.. At least I hope so, but without a text chat system this community will not last..

You don't get it. ESO could provide us with TextChat. And there's evidence: they already did. For the PC.

They have thought about implementing TextChat for the consoles too.
But they analyzed and studied it and they discovered that console players are different beings as PC players.

PC Player

Is usually sitting in front of his keyboard on a desk or table
Is mostly already having one hand on the keyboard
The screen is nearby

Console Player

Is usually sitting in a couch, no keyboard nearby
Is using both hands for using his gamepad
The screen is on a distance

It means the context of use is different and that's why TextChat is an elegant solution in one environment, but it isn't in the other.

Their findings are not based on an opinion, but on facts. Facts you are not aware about.

It doesn't matter if other companies provided TextChat, because they could be just wrong.

Let us do a test, to check if 'copying what other companies do’ is a solid approach.

Go to the contact page of a random website of a big company.

Usually you'll see a screen where you can leave your name, address, gender, birthday, phone number, e-mail address and your message.

You see something unusual about that screen? Probably you don't. And if you would setup a contact screen for 'your' big company you would probably copy the approach.

People will use your form and you will be happy.

But you would be more happy when at least 10 times more people would contact you, no?

So what would a usability engineer do with such screen? Study and analyze the whole thing.

If they conducted user-tests, they would see that many people stop entering the form halfway. They would see that much more people even don't start entering their data at all.

Now that's interesting.

They could write down the task and goal of the user in that screen: getting in contact with the company and getting an answer.

What do you need for that?

E-mail address and message. That's it. You don't need more.

Implement it and you'll have at least 10 times more people who will complete your form.

Is it an opinion? No. We know that for sure. We tested it out. Not once, but a couple of 100 times.

Our minimized contact-page is more fun for the user: the effort and time spend on the form is much lower. He's more prepared to enter his data. Odds are minimal he would give up on the road.

It's more fun for the company as well: more potential customers are contacting you.

However, most contact-forms are not designed that way. Why? Because they copy each other crap and have no clue what they are doing. Just like you do. You can’t help it, it’s not your job. You’re not qualified, you’re not certificated, you have no experience in this field.

You are just a user of contact-forms. Nothing more. Hard to accept. Really.

Deheart · October 2015

I love facts, but I know very few.

One of the few facts I know is the fact that if they had text chat on ps4 I would be sitting on the couch right now playing ESO PS4 with a bluetooth keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

Another fact I know is that when controller support comes to PC next month I won't even care that text chat is not on console, I will be able to play ESO PC on the couch with my wireless keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

PinoZino · October 2015

Deheart wrote: »

I love facts, but I know very few.

One of the few facts I know is the fact that if they had text chat on ps4 I would be sitting on the couch right now playing ESO PS4 with a bluetooth keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

Another fact I know is that when controller support comes to PC next month I won't even care that text chat is not on console, I will be able to play ESO PC on the couch with my wireless keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

No, you just assume. You think 'I would do, so would we all'.

Certainly not everyone would connect a keyboard.
And the ones who do, would avoid using it, because shifting devices isn't that fun.

I want to see you playing the game with a controller in one hand and simultaneously typing with the other hand.
Odds are minimal that you can. At least you will carry out both tasks not that perfect.

tennant94 · October 2015

Give ua area chat zeni don't be shy

Deheart · October 2015

PinoZino wrote: »

Deheart wrote: »

I love facts, but I know very few.

One of the few facts I know is the fact that if they had text chat on ps4 I would be sitting on the couch right now playing ESO PS4 with a bluetooth keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

Another fact I know is that when controller support comes to PC next month I won't even care that text chat is not on console, I will be able to play ESO PC on the couch with my wireless keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

No, you just assume. You think 'I would do, so would we all'.

Certainly not everyone would connect a keyboard.
And the ones who do, would avoid using it, because shifting devices isn't that fun.

I want to see you playing the game with a controller in one hand and simultaneously typing with the other hand.
Odds are minimal that you can. At least you will carry out both tasks not that perfect.

I will say it another way, since I didn't say it right the first time while trying to be funny.

I don't know about other people but I know I would have a keyboard hooked up to the PS4 for text chat if they had it. I did for a while with the only othe MMO I played on console, DC universe online, before it went free to play. I was fine with placing the controller down and typing between battles. I also know that I will be playing with a controller when support comes out in November, and still using text chat. That is what I meant by facts, I wasn't even trying to talk about others.

Really, the main point is that Text chat should have been an option on PS4, just like controller support should have been an option on PC. Because there are plenty of people who do want both.

dday3six · October 2015

PinoZino wrote: »

Deheart wrote: »

I love facts, but I know very few.

One of the few facts I know is the fact that if they had text chat on ps4 I would be sitting on the couch right now playing ESO PS4 with a bluetooth keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

Another fact I know is that when controller support comes to PC next month I won't even care that text chat is not on console, I will be able to play ESO PC on the couch with my wireless keyboard sitting on my lap and a controller in my hand.

No, you just assume. You think 'I would do, so would we all'.

Certainly not everyone would connect a keyboard.
And the ones who do, would avoid using it, because shifting devices isn't that fun.

I want to see you playing the game with a controller in one hand and simultaneously typing with the other hand.
Odds are minimal that you can. At least you will carry out both tasks not that perfect.

I'm very curious how you are able to tell this individual what they would do better than they, themself could. They are quite literally talking about what they as a person would do, not what a group of other individuals would do. Regardless of how the conversation started, they are solely expressing what they would do in giving this instance, with no tie-in to others. So not only are you trying to tell them what they would do, a point, given the context you could not know. You're also jumping off to a point they didn't mention.

Beyond that, what activity is going to require typing while trying to play?

If people are saying that text chat could be used to bridge the gaps that voice doesn't. Clearly this merits the existence of active scenarios (instanced dungeons for example) were voice is favorable. Nevertheless stationary activities including looking for a group, selling goods, advertising a guild, or chatting with multiple groups (i.e. zone chat and guild chat at the same time) are all examples favoring text chat. This is because it's more concise when several people, engaging in multiple conversations, are involved. While at the same time having a wider broadcast radius.

Bottom line is - most advocates do not want text chat to replace voice chat. They want text added to compliment voice chat adding another layer to in-game communication.