Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

Hiero_Glyph

mcilroy wrote: »

I do miss it but am not even 100% if XB1 supports USB keyboard?

It does and a future update will add keyboard and mouse support as well.

Tholian1

evoga wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

evoga wrote: »

I love that there is no old fashioned text chat. It's fun walking around hearing everyone else talking and quickly talking in a group about tactics instead of having to continually stop and tap out a reply.

Please no text chat.

@evoga , Im just curious, why would you think that the addition of text chat would change any of these things for you?

Because less people would use voice to chat or look for groups in the game. You would be assaulted by endless spamming of selling gold, bites and other useless garbage. It would spoil the immersion in a fun game having to keep stopping whatever you were doing and open up the keyboard and slowly tap out your message while hopefully not being attacked.

If you want text chat play it on the pc. Problem solved.

Your argument is that if text chat is introduced in the game, then people will prefer text chat and quit using voice? Strange argument for voice chat if you ask me.

Why is being assaulted over voice with endless spamming of selling useless things and bites any different than what you say happens with text?

I doubt people will quit using voice if a text chat box were implemented. People who like voice chat, or both, will continue to use it. People that like voice but can't use a mic, will still be able to hear you, and if you are willing to read some text, they would finally be able to respond to you.

Forcing voice chat on people is not going to change the fact that they can't use their mics and can't respond to you on voice. If they type back a response with the crappy console options, you are still going to have to stop what you are doing to read it. Worse on PS4, since you have to exit the game to read the message, or fumble with your smartphone if you have the app.

So I guess you are saying that a console player that needs text chat to communicate but can't play on PC, should just quit the game.

i3ig_Gun

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

Hammy01

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

Well it is easier to make yourself sound like a donkey via voice chat, although I am not sure it is a better way to communicate!!

Hiero_Glyph

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

There are physical limitations to understanding what is said when too many people talk simultaneously. Only time to read is required when dozens of people use text chat at the same time. Voice chat simply fails in large groups and since ESO is an MMO, communicating in large groups is required.

i3ig_Gun

Hammy01 wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

Well it is easier to make yourself sound like a donkey via voice chat, although I am not sure it is a better way to communicate!!

Nope

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

There are physical limitations to understanding what is said when too many people talk simultaneously. Only time to read is required when dozens of people use text chat at the same time. Voice chat simply fails in large groups and since ESO is an MMO, communicating in large groups is required.

and nope.

Astaris

I don't understand why people get so upset at anyone requesting and "optional" feature. Any one against it simply turns it off. But people seem to think "Its my way or the highway" I just don't get it.

I use a simple blutooth keyboard on my PS/4. I play on the PS/4 because buying 2 consoles (one for my son) was a lot easier then upgrading 2 uber game PC's. I am medically retired, so I do count my pennies a bit.

When I play FF, I have no issue using both keyboard and controller. With spam, I simply use block and ignore.An optional box is great for quick requests, or people who cant use mics because they have a noise ridden house.

I bet a substantial number of players TURN OFF audio chat when they first log in. It's jarring to zone into a city and hear music, burps, yelling, sleeping, whatever. With an OPTIONAL test box, a guildie could say "Hey meet us in chat2". A dumb feature of the voice chat is that it lacks a push to talk button - duh! Who let that past QA!

Just my 2.2 cents (inflation)

Tholian1

Astaris wrote: »

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It's jarring to zone into a city and hear music, burps, yelling, sleeping, whatever.
...

Apparently that is what some consider to be "immersion". Immersed in the real life of other players instead of the fantasy world I guess?

Yeah, I don't get it either.

Vulsahdaal

evoga wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

evoga wrote: »

I love that there is no old fashioned text chat. It's fun walking around hearing everyone else talking and quickly talking in a group about tactics instead of having to continually stop and tap out a reply.

Please no text chat.

@evoga , Im just curious, why would you think that the addition of text chat would change any of these things for you?

Because less people would use voice to chat or look for groups in the game.

Thank you for explaining this. I suspect this is actually a main reason why many are against it, but youre the first (that Ive seen anyway) to just come out and say it. Instead Ive just seen some really ridiculous so called 'reasons' offered that are not believable anyway.
Yours seems much more credible to me, that the reason some who prefer voice chat dont want it is simply concern that if text chat was introduced in addition to voice, that many current voice chat users may move over to text instead, joining those who have been silenced (either through choice or inability to use a mic) all along.

evoga wrote: »

You would be assaulted by endless spamming of selling gold, bites and other useless garbage.

I suppose this is the part where I could tell you that you could just remain in voice chat, and shut text chat off, so you wont have to be exposed to all this type stuff. But then you would be missing out on all the interesting and useful stuff that you know will be taking place there as well wouldnt you? Especially since voice chat lacks a 'zone' feature, which is a big attraction and probably most used section of text chat.
I can understand, its a damned if you do or you dont situation. If you leave it on, you may have to look at some 'useless garbage' as you put it. If you turn it off, youll be missing out on useful things, kinda like those who currently can not use voice chat already are, and that wouldnt be much fun either. So instead of being damned either way, it seems some decide to turn to the third option- dont put it in at all.
Again thanks for your input, it makes more sense to me than saying something like console players wont be able to figure out how to plug in a keyboard etc..
BTW just a couple of notes-

evoga wrote: »

It would spoil the immersion in a fun game having to keep stopping whatever you were doing and open up the keyboard and slowly tap out your message while hopefully not being attacked.

First Im fairly sure it would be possible to answer someone who texts you in voice, whether its through a one on one or group or party chat or whatever they call it, and second is honestly I havent seen a gold seller on ESO-PC text chat in about a year now, Im pretty sure that whatever type of dark sorcery they used to keep them out of there can also be transferred over to console. I would think anyway..

evoga wrote: »

If you want text chat play it on the pc. Problem solved.

Well yes, that solved the problem nicely for me anyway. But what of the others who cant, because their PC is not suitable for this game, or whatever reasons they have? How does it solve the problem for them?

Vulsahdaal

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

Hiero_Glyph

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

You open your menu, switch to guild chat, interrupt the conversation to ask if anyone is in zone X and wants to do a dolmen halfway across the map, wait for a reply, switch to the second guild chat channel to try again, then switch to a different guild channel, then keep repeating this process until someone finally does enter area chat but you are in guild chat and miss it. How is that not better than text chat?

Yggdrasil_Gof

I think it would be a waste of time and money for Zenimax to add it. Unlike PC players who must have a keyboard very few console players have a need for one. On the other hand console players have headsets. As for annoying noises we would have an annoying new window with spam too, and at this point many people would instinctively use the system they have already got used to. The great thing about voice chat is that you can switch channels easily, and mute everyone else. Also no clunky typing and trying tho use a controller at the same time. Voice chat is instant, and you can play totally unhindered at the same time.
As I say, a waste of time and money for a communication system that very few console players would use, especially as most console games use this form of communication.
I don't know wether It's the type of player this game attracts, but unlike FPS I rarely hear anyone on the public channel anyway. Ironically the most chat I hear is in PvP when people are discussing tactics. There are those who want it, or feel it is needed, but the unfortunate thing for them is they are a small minority.

CromulentForumID

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I admit I totally fail to understand how you can compare a web-based application probably forcing people to switch windows (if not devices entirely) with an ingame function that would allow people to follow things up while playing.

(I don't quote the rest of your post since it would be too long, but I basically agree with what you said - without leading to the conclusion that text chat is not needed on consoles. Let me just mention that on PC, most language-based-guilds, i.e. non-english, recruit via... text chat.).

It's way too cumbersome to switch devices, you see, because I am sitting on a couch, but it is completely streamlined and efficient to go out of game to manage a communication channel outside of the game. Because something something keyboard something.

I really have no idea why this is so difficult for some people. We shouldn't have to leave the game to find the best ways to play the game. I don't think it's too unreasonable for players to want the tools to play the game to be, you know, inside the game they are playing.

AAN2

So apparently those with social anxiety and other reasons not to use voice chat use KiK instead.

Vulsahdaal

Yggdrasil_Gof wrote: »

I think it would be a waste of time and money for Zenimax to add it. Unlike PC players who must have a keyboard very few console players have a need for one. On the other hand console players have headsets. As for annoying noises we would have an annoying new window with spam too, and at this point many people would instinctively use the system they have already got used to. The great thing about voice chat is that you can switch channels easily, and mute everyone else. Also no clunky typing and trying tho use a controller at the same time. Voice chat is instant, and you can play totally unhindered at the same time.
As I say, a waste of time and money for a communication system that very few console players would use, especially as most console games use this form of communication.
I don't know wether It's the type of player this game attracts, but unlike FPS I rarely hear anyone on the public channel anyway. Ironically the most chat I hear is in PvP when people are discussing tactics. There are those who want it, or feel it is needed, but the unfortunate thing for them is they are a small minority.

I cant say for sure whether those who are currently playing on console and want a text chat are a minority or not, it seems they are a majority if we are to go by polls/votes taken here on this forum. But regardless, I do suspect that no matter what their numbers may actually be at this moment, that these numbers will rise considerably once people see the possibilities of having a zone chat.
Also, wasting time and money on something that would have you add a device that not only didnt come with your platform, which people who use that platform are not accustomed to using because is seldom needed, and would require switching devices back and forth as well as was only being asked for by an actual small minority anyway, does not seem to be an issue for ZOS. If it were, I doubt they would go through the trouble of adding controller support to PC, would they?

Rimmsa

For someone that doesn't use a mic, text chat would be awesome. Especially in high populated areas. Giving an option within the game menu to either enable, or access a text chat window would be ideal.

I'm not interested in making the game HUD more cluttered.

Chieve

I was one of this people that care, i wish we had it, but zos doesn't want to

I used to believe zos when they said "if customers really want something added in, they will do it" but obviously it was a lie

Us, the only people on the forums, asked them to respond to us in a seperate thread, and still no response, literally on the first page you can see a mod respond to moderate a post with their same copy and paste mod post but to me, the fact it was a few posts in, seemed like mockery

So i give up, they obviously don't care and have no plans to do so

FilteredRiddle

I feel that it sucks. A lot.

clay3am513

Deadfinger6 wrote: »

Text chat, on a console, very clunky. I really don't mind it. I manage quite well and I think it makes people actually talk more than most wood. The emotes are great and you can kinda get most messages across OK. How about a flag system where the group leader can plant a flag to let everyone know where to go? ESO so far does most things really well and I don't see that text would add anything social to it.

Not sure what games you base text chat being "clunky" on. But I've played ffxiv on pc for 2 years and recently got t on ps4, and its like, identical. It's lacking literally nothing from pc. Full UI customization and text chat. Not one thing makes me feel like I'm losing quality playing on console. Everything about eso on console feels budget.

i3ig_Gun

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

I don't call for help, I do it on my own.

Dolmens will scale to how many people are near it.

bareheiny

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

I don't call for help, I do it on my own.

Dolmens will scale to how many people are near it.

Ah...now I can see why you don't want text chat.

What use is text chat in a single player game?

i3ig_Gun

bareheiny wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

I don't call for help, I do it on my own.

Dolmens will scale to how many people are near it.

Ah...now I can see why you don't want text chat.

What use is text chat in a single player game?

Got me all wrong.

This is a social game, if you need help with a dolmen ask your guild.

Chatting in a text box has been a temporary solution to a permanent problem when it comes to functionality.

The amount of resources it would take to implement this back in the old MMO days would've made that current gen technology crash.

Human socialization relies today too much on a text box to express there emotions.

That's why we have so many hateful posts on here, if people could actually SPEAK instead of type, I bet you a lot of people would change how they communicate with others, leading to a better experience for everyone involved...

Instead of someone just chain spamming LFG or WTS, people can actually haggle in real time over their groups and items for sell.

bareheiny

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

i3ig_Gun wrote: »

Console players!

Just say NO to text chat.

Its not needed, we have a way better way of communication via voice chat.

You do? So tell me how you use voice chat to address zone? OK, for example your in the middle of nowhere when a dolmen opens up. You look around, there is no one in sight in any direction. How exactly do you use this 'better way of communication' to call for help?

I don't call for help, I do it on my own.

Dolmens will scale to how many people are near it.

Ah...now I can see why you don't want text chat.

What use is text chat in a single player game?

Got me all wrong.

This is a social game, if you need help with a dolmen ask your guild.

Chatting in a text box has been a temporary solution to a permanent problem when it comes to functionality.

The amount of resources it would take to implement this back in the old MMO days would've made that current gen technology crash.

Human socialization relies today too much on a text box to express there emotions.

That's why we have so many hateful posts on here, if people could actually SPEAK instead of type, I bet you a lot of people would change how they communicate with others, leading to a better experience for everyone involved...

Instead of someone just chain spamming LFG or WTS, people can actually haggle in real time over their groups and items for sell.

Horses for courses really.

I don't want to ring the wife up everytime I want to know if she needs anything while I'm out....so I'll text her. That way, it's up to her to respond when she has the time.

If I'm in a crowded pub, there's a lot of background noise....but it's easy to identify who I'm talking to, because I can see them....and the sound is coming from various directions - so I can reasonably safely push stuff to the background. And I sure don't have to put up with a bunch of folk shouting "selling vamp / wolf bite". Although that could very well make a Friday night pub visit somewhat more interesting.

With a mic in my ear....well, it's in one ear...and it's everybody talking at once. Somewhat more difficult to filter out the folk you aren't talking too.

And honestly, we're not talking about expression emotions here...we're interested in communicating with people we can't see, and who's characters may very well be in another map.


Written AND verbal communication have their places - both in-game and in the real world. If I'm in a dungeon / meeting I sure won't be sending texts to my group / work mates....but if I'm in the another map / building I'll use OCS or e-mail.

Kammakazi

People who vote no: Casuals

Artjuh90

there are so many people who dont use their headset (or dont have one) or just don't go in group chat. you know how annoying this is when they are totally newbing out in your dungeon and you cant give them tips on you to not die every 3 seconds @ a boss?
textchat is a easy way to fix it cause sending a message on xboxone message system takes even longer but that's how i have to do it now ;s

Hiero_Glyph

Voice chat simply is not an option for all players. Without voice chat the game has no instant form of communication. I guess some players feel that it is better to not let some players communicate at all instead of providing a second method for players to communicate.

bedlom

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

You feel like Wolverine? Odd.

Note his expression lol

What expression lol

Artjuh90

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

One thing I've observed through these threads, the forums and Twitch chat as well as game that have text chat.

The forums is a good example + advertisements and spam of why text chat isn't a good idea and why typing to communicate can add value but not in a text chat format.

I think everyone who wants another way to effectively communicate outside of voice makes sense but placing a hard to
Manage box on the screen that requires additional hardware in order for it to be effective isn't the answer.

I've not seen a idea that would offer logic, ease of use, absent of spam, needing moderators and being clunky.
The consoles would seem to be best to offer an overlay window for any and all games that a game dev could build upon but there are still challenges there.

Just my thoughts as this goes round and round and ends locked due to personal attacks

remove text on pc and see the rage.
like only console players abuse the forums plz stfu.

evoga wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

evoga wrote: »

I love that there is no old fashioned text chat. It's fun walking around hearing everyone else talking and quickly talking in a group about tactics instead of having to continually stop and tap out a reply.

Please no text chat.

@evoga , Im just curious, why would you think that the addition of text chat would change any of these things for you?

Because less people would use voice to chat or look for groups in the game. You would be assaulted by endless spamming of selling gold, bites and other useless garbage. It would spoil the immersion in a fun game having to keep stopping whatever you were doing and open up the keyboard and slowly tap out your message while hopefully not being attacked.

If you want text chat play it on the pc. Problem solved.

like you are saying now that pc has less immersion. good logic !
PS have you ever been in big city's on console like Deshaan (im EP) 50 kids shouting and you can't hear a word they say only get a headache? well that's fun
And i prefer playing on a console over mouse and keyboard the controler plays way beter and a bigger screen

Artheiron

I really don't understand why console and pc versions have to communicate differently. If this is a well designed compelete game then both pc and consolse versions should get the same stuff right?. why don't they give every platform both chat and voice chat what will they lose?

bedlom

Its ok I know you no sayers are not really devote or MMORPG friendly so i'll let you off.

Just keep your words toastie because you will need to digest em one day.