Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Show me where I have said anything different ?
Oh and I might just as well hire a UI expert. It just won't be you.

But that's getting too personal. This isn't about you. All I wish is that console users can get better ways of communication (i.e. non-vocal) and I simply cannot let you argue against text so vehemently and poorly because I think it is very, very much needed. And because I think that if console people don't get text communication ESO will ultimately fail on consoles and take ESO on PC with it in its downfall. And I'd like to be able to play ESO for a very long time because it is an excellent game.

I'm not waiting for an Anita to hire me. I would probably refuse her as a client (yes I do, not often, but it happens). But in a polite way. I would suddenly raise my pay times 10.

And if you still would accept my conditions then I’m not available the next 5 years. Full booked.

It is personal. I need a good connect with my clients. I want to like them and I expect they like me.
Life is too short to waste too much time with people you don’t like. Whatever you do, whatever you say, there will be always people who don’t like you. Don’t waste too much time with them. And no wasting some hours on a forum with such people is different as working close together for weeks or even months.

But...I'm aware that it could be different IRL. You don't see me laughing, you don't hear my tone and voice, there's no body language, no mimic, no this, no that.

What you see is not what you get. And the same could work in your direction. What I see about you, is not what I get as well. Maybe.

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I wish better communication features too for the console players. Only, cause my background, I'm not paralyzed like a rabbit by the headlights of TextChat.

For the consoles there are better solutions around.

And I certainly agree that they should fix the communication issues else it would probably not have the same life expectancy as UO had.

I don't have a degree in social psychology, but I don't think it's possible to create and sustain a community when there's not much communication.

At the moment, it's a very good game, but not a very good MMO. It's more a very good single person thing you play alone together with other people.

At such, one got bored pretty fast, it’s just another nice game that will be replaced by another nice game.

It's the community that makes sure people return playing an MMOPRG, not the game itself.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Two more things that you seem to not understand, @PinoZino :

- Noone here cares if you like me or not, or if you'd like me or not IRL, or vice-versa.
- Everybody here knows more means of communication are needed for ESO on consoles.

Now back to topic :

You seemed to have come up with the beginning of a suggestion/concept, which involved some sort of auto-complete or pre-made sentences for gamepad text entry.
Thing is, something like that is already in the game (quickchat wheel), but it doesn't fulfill the needs because it appears only in bubbles, which means that they disappear quickly (unlike chatbox) and it serves no purpose when it comes to zone chat needs or multiple channels communication (unlike chatbox).
Maybe you could refine your concept according to those needs ?

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

But nonetheless, let's not get derailed : you've admitted that text is the solution here so that's already a very very big step ahead.

Fax, mail, TextChat, SMS. It's all the same for Anita?

Asherons_Call

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Language issues aren't solved by typing.

Of course they are. To a very large extent.
Even non-english speakers will learn very quickly and easily to write "focus adds or boss ?" in text chat, or "LF1M magicka sorc for white gold tower vet dungeon". 95% of people will be able to express that and understand it. Nobody will be able to understand it in a spoken way or pronounce it in an understandable way over the microphone (especially in a cacophony), unless they've learned the language first. Text is always more accessible than vocal in a foreign language.
(And don't tell me I don't have the background in linguistics because I do.).

Yes I'm going to have to disagree with Pino on that one as well. Language barriers have been solved for the most part with text chat. In Final Fantastly 11 and again on 14, the devs created several dozen canned phrases that are translated in several languages; ie "would you like to join a group" is translated in Japanese, English, Spanish, French, German, Dutch, etc. it's a very well made system and allows you to communicate with people you never would have before. Along with the canned phrases there are also a couple hundred single words that have been translated into several languages. Just choose the phrase or words you need and chat away

Tommy1979AtWar

Coherent and somewhat constructive to condescending and rude in 30 seconds flat.

You're wasting your time Anita, he's unable to be constructive for very long, his ego gets in the way.

Uberkull

PinoZino wrote: »

Founder of Tradelodge, a trade guild operating on the European Megaserver for Playstation®4.

Let me ask you this...I assume you are also in 4 other guilds. As a GM myself of a day one trade guild on console, I recently looked across ALL the Voice chat guild channels I'm in and there was not a single person in a single channel across 5 guilds, 2400+ people. Not a single person using Guild voice chat.

Voice chat in a MMO is situational, it's used for more difficult dungeons and raids. It fails as the global communication tool for a MMO. The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat.

PinoZino

danno8 wrote: »

Statistically your poll can work if you don't mind a CI of around 12%. Which given 50% voted yes, that means worst case scenario 38% voted yes. That's still a fair number of people who have a keyboard they can use with their console.

In regards to polls on the forums being biased, yes they are. But I don't believe you explained that in your poll. And of course if the bias is expected to affect results so strongly as to invalidate any outcome....why do the poll at all?

Because it can be fun. That's their only valid purpose here.
But if you want to use biased polls for serious matters, feel free.

And no your explanation is wrong. There are just not enough samples. The risk that the current result is just coincidence is too high. If you have enough participants, the fool answers get drown in the poll ocean.

You can only accept a small poll audience, when your actual target audience is small too.

But ok, you have always people who believe when you throw 3 times a ‘seven’ with dices, that you will get it a fourth time. And they are 100% sure.

Asherons_Call

uberkull wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Founder of Tradelodge, a trade guild operating on the European Megaserver for Playstation®4.

Let me ask you this...I assume you are also in 4 other guilds. As a GM myself of a day one trade guild on console, I recently looked across ALL the Voice chat guild channels I'm in and there was not a single person in a single channel across 5 guilds, 2400+ people. Not a single person using Guild voice chat.

Voice chat in a MMO is situational, it's used for more difficult dungeons and raids. It fails as the global communication tool for a MMO. The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat.

Pretty much the same here Uber. Out of my 5 guilds (20 channels), my main guild is the most active with around 10 people on text chat at any given time. The problem is that this is only 10 out of the 100 that are online at any given time. Keep in mind that this example is my most active voice channel guild!!!

kaskel2000

Oh no. Pino is back . Though on the plus side this does give me more entertainment.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Two more things that you seem to not understand, @PinoZino :

- Noone here cares if you like me or not, or if you'd like me or not IRL, or vice-versa.
- Everybody here knows more means of communication are needed for ESO on consoles.

Now back to topic :

You seemed to have come up with the beginning of a suggestion/concept, which involved some sort of auto-complete or pre-made sentences for gamepad text entry.
Thing is, something like that is already in the game (quickchat wheel), but it doesn't fulfill the needs because it appears only in bubbles, which means that they disappear quickly (unlike chatbox) and it serves no purpose when it comes to zone chat needs or multiple channels communication (unlike chatbox).
Maybe you could refine your concept according to those needs ?

It shouldn't appear in disappearing bubbles. It should be saved permanently.

The bubbles don't work, because sometimes you can't or you are not prepared to answer immediately.

It should be stored permanently. A bit like your iPhone or smartphone is storing your SMS messages.

Even if you go offline, later you can jump in the conversation again if you like.

I didn't found a solution for Zone Chat yet. At least not a complete one. The text transfer could also work with predefined sets, but only if there's some structure in the Zone Chat and when people are chatting about the same things.

Probably it is, but only ZOS knows the answer.

The missing part is "How do you broadcast your message with a larger audience"?

Maybe they should emulate more IRL and less other MMO's?

In real life there's no Zone Chat as well. If you want to get heard, you have to stick out in some way.

You know Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park (London)?



The speakers usually stands on a kind of soapbox. Everyone nearby can listen to what they have to say.

Why not having such a similar system in ESO? We could have several soapboxes at strategic locations.

But there's probably a better solution as well. I'm aware that the soapbox solution has some disadvantages.

However, it could be also a part of the complete solution. In that case the soapbox isn't the only way to communicate with the masses, but one of the tools.

aldyftb

Wow pino, just wow

Asherons_Call

Standing on large rocks to project our voices! Thank you pino all of our problems are solved! Lmao

I could even stand on my lioness I bet I'd project much further as well. Just have to give her a bit of food to keep her still

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Coherent and somewhat constructive to condescending and rude in 30 seconds flat.

You're wasting your time Anita, he's unable to be constructive for very long, his ego gets in the way.

Can you leave your personal feeling about me in private?
I know I'm very interesting for you. You can't be silent and you're talking about me all the time.

But thank you Tommy, I've already an awesome wife and I'm not interested in replacing her by you.

I hope I didn't broke your heart.

aldyftb

If gaming was to even remotely reflect real life, I for one wouldn't be a gamer.

PinoZino

uberkull wrote: »

Let me ask you this...I assume you are also in 4 other guilds. As a GM myself of a day one trade guild on console, I recently looked across ALL the Voice chat guild channels I'm in and there was not a single person in a single channel across 5 guilds, 2400+ people. Not a single person using Guild voice chat.

Voice chat in a MMO is situational, it's used for more difficult dungeons and raids. It fails as the global communication tool for a MMO. The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat.

I don't use VoiceChat. So I don't check.
"The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat."

Maybe that was the reason why the Aztecs used no wheels for transportation?

There are not much successful MMO's on the consoles with a long during life expectancy.

So you can't suggest there's only 1 solution.

Console <> PC. On a Console gamepad is king. Context, uberkill, context. Very important.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Coherent and somewhat constructive to condescending and rude in 30 seconds flat.

You're wasting your time Anita, he's unable to be constructive for very long, his ego gets in the way.

Can you leave your personal feeling about me in private?
I know I'm very interesting for you. You can't be silent and you're talking about me all the time.

But thank you Tommy, I've already an awesome wife and I'm not interested in replacing her by you.

I hope I didn't broke your heart.

I think you need to google the word "ego"

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I think you need to google the word "ego"

I'll do when you're ready learning the basics of statistics and polls.

Maybe you can start a poll about my ego on the ESO Forum. I certainly believe you would believe the results.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

I think you need to google the word "ego"

I'll do when you're ready learning the basics of statistics and polls.

Maybe you can start a poll about my ego. I certainly believe you would believe the results.

Ohhh the Irony.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

Let me ask you this...I assume you are also in 4 other guilds. As a GM myself of a day one trade guild on console, I recently looked across ALL the Voice chat guild channels I'm in and there was not a single person in a single channel across 5 guilds, 2400+ people. Not a single person using Guild voice chat.

Voice chat in a MMO is situational, it's used for more difficult dungeons and raids. It fails as the global communication tool for a MMO. The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat.

I don't use VoiceChat. So I don't check.
"The only proven tool that has worked for every MMO is text chat."

Maybe that was the reason why the Aztecs used no wheels for transportation?

There are not much successful MMO's on the consoles with a long during life expectancy.

So you can't suggest there's only 1 solution.

Console <> PC. On a Console gamepad is king. Context, uberkill, context. Very important.

Aztecs???
Seriously??
I dunno if I have another of his outlandish analogies left in me folks... close the thread, we've had enough already!!!

PinoZino

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Standing on large rocks to project our voices! Thank you pino all of our problems are solved! Lmao

I could even stand on my lioness I bet I'd project much further as well. Just have to give her a bit of food to keep her still

I still don't get it why folks demand for TextChat while they really can't read well.

Probably they were not able to read the following words and sentences:

• I didn't found a solution for Zone Chat yet
• Maybe
• similar
• there's probably a better solution as well
• aware that the soapbox solution has some disadvantages
• part of the complete solution

Hint:
Hire someone who can read aloud the replies. It would improve their quality of life.

RatedChaotic

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Two more things that you seem to not understand, @PinoZino :

- Noone here cares if you like me or not, or if you'd like me or not IRL, or vice-versa.
- Everybody here knows more means of communication are needed for ESO on consoles.

Now back to topic :

You seemed to have come up with the beginning of a suggestion/concept, which involved some sort of auto-complete or pre-made sentences for gamepad text entry.
Thing is, something like that is already in the game (quickchat wheel), but it doesn't fulfill the needs because it appears only in bubbles, which means that they disappear quickly (unlike chatbox) and it serves no purpose when it comes to zone chat needs or multiple channels communication (unlike chatbox).
Maybe you could refine your concept according to those needs ?

It shouldn't appear in disappearing bubbles. It should be saved permanently.

The bubbles don't work, because sometimes you can't or you are not prepared to answer immediately.

It should be stored permanently. A bit like your iPhone or smartphone is storing your SMS messages.

Even if you go offline, later you can jump in the conversation again if you like.

I didn't found a solution for Zone Chat yet. At least not a complete one. The text transfer could also work with predefined sets, but only if there's some structure in the Zone Chat and when people are chatting about the same things.

Probably it is, but only ZOS knows the answer.

The missing part is "How do you broadcast your message with a larger audience"?

Maybe they should emulate more IRL and less other MMO's?

In real life there's no Zone Chat as well. If you want to get heard, you have to stick out in some way.

You know Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park (London)?



The speakers usually stands on a kind of soapbox. Everyone nearby can listen to what they have to say.

Why not having such a similar system in ESO? We could have several soapboxes at strategic locations.

But there's probably a better solution as well. I'm aware that the soapbox solution has some disadvantages.

However, it could be also a part of the complete solution. In that case the soapbox isn't the only way to communicate with the masses, but one of the tools.

Then people would just stand there and play music. Americans would just walk by. lol

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

Can you leave your personal feeling about me in private?

It would help if you'd talk a little bit less about yourself and other non-topic related stuff like the Aztecs and talk about what could be developed for better communication on console (not involving the use of a keyboard if you think it's the major culprit against text chat).

You commented a bit about quickchat bubbles and the fact that they don' t stay => if they were in a text chatbox they would stay. Then you mentioned some specific places (Hyde-Park-like) to use for zone-chat : what do you mean exactly ? because if it's voice, it doesn't stay (same problem as bubbles) and if it's text, what would be the difference with the usual zone chat in chatbox ?

Asherons_Call

PinoZino wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Standing on large rocks to project our voices! Thank you pino all of our problems are solved! Lmao

I could even stand on my lioness I bet I'd project much further as well. Just have to give her a bit of food to keep her still

I still don't get it why folks demand for TextChat while they really can't read well.

Probably you were not able to read the following words and sentences:

• I didn't found a solution for Zone Chat yet
• Maybe
• similar
• there's probably a better solution as well
• aware that the soapbox solution has some disadvantages
• part of the complete solution

Hint:
Hire someone who can read aloud the replies. It would improve their quality of life.

Yes I read your post. The question is why mention this soapbox idea at all if you know it's not the best solution? It's not even on the radar as a solution and falls into the nonsensical category.. Hence my joke about standing on my cat to project my voice.

We really need a sarcasm font

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Ohhh the Irony.

Is it? No, it isn't.

You are using a biased poll, used by only 70 voters - who should represent the entire community of minimum 1 million players according you, as evidence for some claim.

Not me.

Hey, you know what? LOL

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Ohhh the Irony.

Is it? No, it isn't.

You are using a biased poll, used by only 70 voters - who should represent the entire community according you, as evidence for some claim.

Not me.

Hey, you know what? LOL

I was referring to your ego Pino, it's nothing to do with the poll... what is it you're always telling us to do again??... oh yes, learn to read.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

You are using a biased poll, used by only 70 voters - who should represent the entire community of minimum 1 million players according you, as evidence for some claim.

Not me.

Shall we remind you that YOU created that poll, Pino ? You don't use the results because they don't suit your argumentation but you would certainly use them if they did.
So if I were you I'd keep a rather low profile about that poll... (but I'm not you, fortunately).

Now can we please go back to the concept of communication for ESO on consoles please ?

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Aztecs???
Seriously??
I dunno if I have another of his outlandish analogies left in me folks... close the thread, we've had enough already!!!

If I used a biased poll - which was so biased as bias can be - as evidence, I would cry for a lock too.

Ace_of_Destiny

Options are good.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Aztecs???
Seriously??
I dunno if I have another of his outlandish analogies left in me folks... close the thread, we've had enough already!!!

If I used a biased poll - which was so biased as bias can be - as evidence, I would cry for a lock too.

Sarcasm isn't your strong point is it

Tell us more about this idea you have for aztecs standing on wheels made out of rocks that could shout our messages over voice chat for us.... sounds interesting.

Tommy1979AtWar

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

You are using a biased poll, used by only 70 voters - who should represent the entire community of minimum 1 million players according you, as evidence for some claim.

Not me.

Shall we remind you that YOU created that poll, Pino ? You don't use the results because they don't suit your argumentation but you would certainly use them if they did.
So if I were you I'd keep a rather low profile about that poll... (but I'm not you, fortunately).

Now can we please go back to the concept of communication for ESO on consoles please ?

I think he's hoping that with enough posts he can bury it.