Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

This helpful poll from Pino shows that a majority of console users would find a use for text chat as they either already have a keyboard attached, attach one whilst playing ESO or would indeed attach one should an optional text chat become available.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222369/do-you-have-attached-a-keyboard-to-your-console-ps4-or-xbox-one/p1

No, Pino didn't prove that. Pino knows a poll, any poll on this forum is biased.

• Pino knows that the overwhelming majority of the forum-members are PC users.
• Pino knows that 70 people can't represent the opinion of 1, 2 or 3 million players.
• Pino also knows that some people created a lie in answering the poll. The question was "Do you have attached a keyboard to your console (PS4 or Xbox One)?" while some of these people don't have a console at all. lol

In short Pino is 100% sure that a poll, any poll on this forum can't be used for serious goals, but only for pleasure and amusement.

And now Tommy knows it too.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

This helpful poll from Pino shows that a majority of console users would find a use for text chat as they either already have a keyboard attached, attach one whilst playing ESO or would indeed attach one should an optional text chat become available.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222369/do-you-have-attached-a-keyboard-to-your-console-ps4-or-xbox-one/p1

No, Pino didn't prove that. Pino knows a poll, any poll on this forum is biased.

• Pino knows that the overwhelming majority of the forum-members are PC users.
• Pino knows that 70 people can't represent the opinion of 1, 2 or 3 million players.
• Pino also knows that some people created a lie in answering the poll. The question was "Do you have attached a keyboard to your console (PS4 or Xbox One)?" while some of these people don't have a console at all. lol

In short Pino is 100% sure that a poll, any poll on this forum can't be used for serious goals, but only for pleasure and amusement.

And now Tommy knows it too.

Ohhhh... so a poll is bias when it doesn't show the result you wanted... thanks for clearing that up Pino.

Riga_Mortis

I get the feeling pino thought the poll would go a different way lol

Tommy1979AtWar

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I get the feeling pino thought the poll would go a different way lol

Me too... ooops

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Ohhhh... so a poll is bias when it doesn't show the result you wanted... thanks for clearing that up Pino.

No, Tommy. One starts to wonder why Tommy wants TextChat, while it seems Tommy can't read well.

Solution:

• Leave your computer and house
• Walk on the streets and stop a smart looking man or woman
• Ask the meaning of 'any'
• Return to your computer
• Read "In short Pino is 100% sure that a poll, any poll on this forum can't be used for serious goals, but only for pleasure and amusement.".

Now, Tommy should be able to comprehend the sentence.

Tommy, are you really believing 70 votes could represent 1 million (minimum) people?

Your homework of today:

• Study the concept statistical significance. You may even use Wiki.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I get the feeling pino thought the poll would go a different way lol

Not at all. And even if the results would be different, it wouldn't change my position.

So, you are believing too that 70 votes can represent the opinion of minimum 1 million people? lol
If you do, then you are probably not aware that even the answers in my poll are biased?

The sequence of the answers determines which will be selected more.
If the first answer would be the last option, it would get less 'yes' people.

It means, in a valid poll, you have to switch the position of the answers for several random groups of users.

But ok, if you like to use the results of a biased poll, it's fine for me.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

[*] Read "In short Pino is 100% sure that a poll, any poll on this forum can't be used for serious goals, but only for pleasure and amusement.".

Me thinks that for a poll meant to be just "for pleasure and amusement", Pino spent quite a lot of time on his own poll explaining to people what he meant by "attached keyboard" and making it very clear that he had made the poll to prove the particular point that he's not the only one not using an attached keyboard.

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy, are you really believing 70 votes could represent 1 million (minimum) people?
Your homework of today:

• Study the concept statistical significance. You may even use Wiki.

Me thinks that Pino would totally overlook the concept of statistical significance if the poll had given him the results HE expected.

Riga_Mortis

@pinozino you contradict yourself in soo many ways and on soo many levels it's amazing really.

In that same thread you started, a poster stats he uses the virtual keypad and you say he's the only one out of millions of PlayStation users that does so, so I'm left thinking, did you ask the millions and millions of ps users to formulate he was the only virtual keypad user or did you just pull that little factoid out of thin air?

So please apply your own logic to your own replies.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

[*] Read "In short Pino is 100% sure that a poll, any poll on this forum can't be used for serious goals, but only for pleasure and amusement.".

Me thinks that for a poll meant to be just "for pleasure and amusement", Pino spent quite a lot of time on his own poll explaining to people what he meant by "attached keyboard" and making it very clear that he had made the poll to prove the particular point that he's not the only one not using an attached keyboard.

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy, are you really believing 70 votes could represent 1 million (minimum) people?
Your homework of today:

• Study the concept statistical significance. You may even use Wiki.

Me thinks that Pino would totally overlook the concept of statistical significance if the poll had given him the results HE expected.

Anita is just assuming a lot and again.

So Anita too believes 70 votes can represent 1 million people? lol

The use and misuse of polls, it's something we do learn in the kindergarten of usability university.
We use polls in our analysis and polls can be an UI design. We should know a bit about it.

You didn't attend that kindergarten, so I'm not surprised you don't know a few basic facts. And I'm not surprised you ignore these facts and want to keep your belief.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

@pinozino you contradict yourself in soo many ways and on soo many levels it's amazing really.

In that same thread you started, a poster stats he uses the virtual keypad and you say he's the only one out of millions of PlayStation users that does so, so I'm left thinking, did you ask the millions and millions of ps users to formulate he was the only virtual keypad user or did you just pull that little factoid out of thin air?

So please apply your own logic to your own replies.

Where did I wrote "...only one out of millions of PlayStation users that does..."?

Let us start with this.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I get the feeling pino thought the poll would go a different way lol

Not at all. And even if the results would be different, it wouldn't change my position.

So, you are believing too that 70 votes can represent the opinion of minimum 1 million people? lol
If you do, then you are probably not aware that even the answers in my poll are biased?

The sequence of the answers determines which will be selected more.
If the first answer would be the last option, it would get less 'yes' people.

It means, in a valid poll, you have to switch the position of the answers for several random groups of users.

But ok, if you like to use the results of a biased poll, it's fine for me.

No not at all, because I believe that the poll represented the opinions of the 70 people THAT ACTUALLY VOTED.

If YOU want a poll that represents the opinions of a million plus then maybe YOU should ask a MILLION plus people.

Get back to me when you have THAT poll finished.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

So Anita too believes 70 votes can represent 1 million people? lol

I didn't say that.
I said that you made a poll that *looked* very serious (the way you explained people what you meant, argued with their comments, etc...) and you declared it biased and invalid after the results of the poll went against your own arguments.
If you genuinely believe that any poll and all polls on this forum are biased and invalid, I wonder why you bothered making one in the first place.

I don't believe that 70 votes represent 1 million people, I don't believe that polls are valid (even the ones with greater statistical significance), but I believe that your argumentation is weak, fragile, inconsistent and opportunistic, and lacks thoroughness in every way.

I even believe that most UI experts are needed, competent and rigourous people. I just don't believe you're one of them.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

@pinozino you contradict yourself in soo many ways and on soo many levels it's amazing really.

In that same thread you started, a poster stats he uses the virtual keypad and you say he's the only one out of millions of PlayStation users that does so, so I'm left thinking, did you ask the millions and millions of ps users to formulate he was the only virtual keypad user or did you just pull that little factoid out of thin air?

So please apply your own logic to your own replies.

Where did I wrote "...only one out of millions of PlayStation users that does..."?

Let us start with this.

Post #4 " oh you are that ONE user actually using it "

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

No not at all, because I believe that the poll represented the opinions of the 70 people THAT ACTUALLY VOTED.

If YOU want a poll that represents the opinions of a million plus then maybe YOU should ask a MILLION plus people.

Get back to me when you have THAT poll finished.

You don't need to ask 1 million people their opinion to get a solid result with a healthy fault tolerance.

But what do you know about it? If you're honest: nothing. However, still fighting - well, more something like struggling.

I don't get that. Why do you do that? That would be interesting to know for me. Really.

My wife is a lawyer. There is no way I would discuss 'the law' with her. One: she's the expert. Two: I'm the law noob.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

However, still fighting - well, more something like struggling.

Lol, if someone is fighting and struggling desperately here, it doesn't look like it's @Dazza1968 ....

PinoZino wrote: »

I don't get that. Why do you do that? That would be interesting to know for me. Really.

I told you that already : because there are so many things that you don't get at so many levels that we feel you need them explained, really.

But nonetheless, let's not get derailed : you've admitted that text is the solution here so that's already a very very big step ahead.

Tommy1979AtWar

I love how he just makes it up as he goes along, he doesn't even attempt to hide the porkies he's telling, he just makes blanket statements and accuses people of not reading when he's just completely made up what you've just said lol

Pino people can read, if they're inerested enough (which is doubtful) they'll just read what I said and then wonder what the hell you're talking about, you've no need to feel your ego has been dented, nobody cares lol

Take a deep breath and relax.
Perhaps you should take a break from this thread for awhile and come back when you've calmed down and you're thinking more clearly, maybe you could use the time to google a few studies on polls, that'll calm you down.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

No not at all, because I believe that the poll represented the opinions of the 70 people THAT ACTUALLY VOTED.

If YOU want a poll that represents the opinions of a million plus then maybe YOU should ask a MILLION plus people.

Get back to me when you have THAT poll finished.

You don't need to ask 1 million people their opinion to get a solid result with a healthy fault tolerance.

But what do you know about it? If you're honest: nothing. However, still fighting - well, more something like struggling.

I don't get that. Why do you do that? That would be interesting to know for me. Really.

My wife is a lawyer. There is no way I would discuss 'the law' with her. One: she's the expert. Two: I'm the law noob.

"So, you are believing too that 70 votes can represent the opinion of minimum 1 million people? lol"

Again please remember what you are posting as you said the above and I replied no I think it represents the opinions of the 70 people that actually took part in your poll.

You are the one that bought the number " a million " into the conversation first.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Post #4 " oh you are that ONE user actually using it "

You forgot some context as well, the picture:



I feel sorry for you that you really assumed that I would think there's only ONE virtual keyboard user.

Try this link, maybe it will make some things more clear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration#Humour

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Post #4 " oh you are that ONE user actually using it "

You forgot some context as well, the picture:



I feel sorry for you that you really assumed that I would think there's only ONE virtual keyboard user.

Try this link, maybe it will make some things more clear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration#Humour

Lol you asked for proof, I provided it .

Tommy1979AtWar

Mickey_Ox

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Since I've already debated this I'm just going to answer the OPs titled question "Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?".

Ok let's see...
I feel slightly PO because it's supposedly an mmorpg yet communication is limited to local area voice chat where I'm either forced to listen to the dreggs of the gaming worlds daily goings on, which includes everything from crap music, terrible mics, family arguments, bathroom breaks to racist slurs etc or leave the channel and not interact with anyone at all while I go about my business.
Has anyone at ESO live ever noticed the distinct lack of community events from console when reading them out?.

I feel sad but unsurprised that many have left so soon after console release or that I've seen "lack of a chat box" be cited among the many reasons for quitting on many seperate occassions, a few are now wishing to transfer from console to PC but most have just left completely as a transfer wouldn't be an option for everyone even if it was made possible.

I feel let down when I watch ESO live and there's still no acknowledgement of this much called for basic feature despite the support of the majority of community members whom have taken the time to constructively add to those many dozens of threads. (seriously even PC players don't understand why we don't have text chat)
But hey at least we're all upto date on the really important issues like what time the "evening of tea tasting special blends" get together is on PC/Mac

I feel annoyed that it doesn't even seem important enough to warrant a simple yes, no or "we've heard you and we're taking another look at that as an option for you guys" answer from zos.
This helpful poll from Pino shows that a majority of console users would find a use for text chat as they either already have a keyboard attached, attach one whilst playing ESO or would indeed attach one should an optional text chat become available.
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/222369/do-you-have-attached-a-keyboard-to-your-console-ps4-or-xbox-one/p1

I feel embarrassed not just for Zos but also myself when I see that Rocket league (an indie game with a tiny budget and which was free on PS4) actually has a chat box whilst this AAA mmorpg title doesn't.

I feel mostly dispondant with this game these days overall, so much so that it's to the point now where I log on... I raise an eyebrow at seeing so very few people around (PS4 EU)... I do my writs and first pray to and then curse the RNG... I sigh in dispair at the stale economy... I think about crafting and then think "what's the point, they can buy it at the crownstore"... I feed my mount, I facepalm the latest ability nerfs, I pause for a moment to ponder facing the load screens... and then I log out.

And when I've done all that I log into the forums of sunshine and light here to see if there's any news on the issues important to me, sadly disappointed here too.

On a brighter note FO4 is almost here whilst it's not an mmo it really doesn't feel like ESO is at the moment so please reconsider the decision which removed text chat from the port to console.

My 2 cents.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I didn't say that.
I said that you made a poll that *looked* very serious (the way you explained people what you meant, argued with their comments, etc...) and you declared it biased and invalid after the results of the poll went against your own arguments.
If you genuinely believe that any poll and all polls on this forum are biased and invalid, I wonder why you bothered making one in the first place.

I don't believe that 70 votes represent 1 million people, I don't believe that polls are valid (even the ones with greater statistical significance), but I believe that your argumentation is weak, fragile, inconsistent and opportunistic, and lacks thoroughness in every way.

I even believe that most UI experts are needed, competent and rigourous people. I just don't believe you're one of them.

So basically you suddenly agree a poll on the ESO forum is always biased.

Only if I used it, I'm using it for serious purposes. While it's clear that I'm able to show why any poll here is biased. Ok. lol

It doesn't matter what you believe about UI experts. You will never hire one. You know it all by yourself.
It doesn't matter even more if you don't believe I'm one or not. You're not a close friend, you're not family, you're not some business relation. What you think about me, I really don't care.

With all respect, but even the opinion of my dog about me is far more important as yours. Really.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Lol you asked for proof, I provided it .

So you really believe I would assume there's only 1 virtual keyboard user?

I like that.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

So basically you suddenly agree a poll on the ESO forum is always biased.

Show me where I have said anything different ?
Oh and I might just as well hire a UI expert. It just won't be you.

But that's getting too personal. This isn't about you. All I wish is that console users can get better ways of communication (i.e. non-vocal) and I simply cannot let you argue against text so vehemently and poorly because I think it is very, very much needed. And because I think that if console people don't get text communication ESO will ultimately fail on consoles and take ESO on PC with it in its downfall. And I'd like to be able to play ESO for a very long time because it is an excellent game.

Riga_Mortis

Glad you like it

danno8

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I didn't say that.
I said that you made a poll that *looked* very serious (the way you explained people what you meant, argued with their comments, etc...) and you declared it biased and invalid after the results of the poll went against your own arguments.
If you genuinely believe that any poll and all polls on this forum are biased and invalid, I wonder why you bothered making one in the first place.

I don't believe that 70 votes represent 1 million people, I don't believe that polls are valid (even the ones with greater statistical significance), but I believe that your argumentation is weak, fragile, inconsistent and opportunistic, and lacks thoroughness in every way.

I even believe that most UI experts are needed, competent and rigourous people. I just don't believe you're one of them.

So basically you suddenly agree a poll on the ESO forum is always biased.

Only if I used it, I'm using it for serious purposes. While it's clear that I'm able to show why any poll here is biased. Ok. lol

It doesn't matter what you believe about UI experts. You will never hire one. You know it all by yourself.
It doesn't matter even more if you don't believe I'm one or not. You're not a close friend, you're not family, you're not some business relation. What you think about me, I really don't care.

With all respect, but even the opinion of my dog about me is far more important as yours. Really.

Statistically your poll can work if you don't mind a CI of around 12%. Which given 50% voted yes, that means worst case scenario 38% voted yes. That's still a fair number of people who have a keyboard they can use with their console.

In regards to polls on the forums being biased, yes they are. But I don't believe you explained that in your poll. And of course if the bias is expected to affect results so strongly as to invalidate any outcome....why do the poll at all?

Riga_Mortis

I've had more active communication on this thread alone, both good and bad, than I have playing ESO in game since launch.

Tommy1979AtWar

Is anyone else growing slightly fond of him or is it just me?

Riga_Mortis

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Is anyone else growing slightly fond of him or is it just me?

Lol dont know why this made me laugh, but have an awesome buddy.

Uberkull

PinoZino wrote: »

• For most console players, the gamepad is their main input device
• Using a keyboard on a couch isn't that fun
• Shifting between devices is always a pain
• ...

Why do you keep going here? That's not the reality. I'm going to post this for the 100th time. It's available now, go buy one.


Applied...


And finally, if I open the menu on console, I can go to gameplay options and turn on/off my mounts saddles....I CAN TURN THIS OFF? If this silly option can be turned off, so could the text UI. Just like quest tracker, skills bar, health bars, etc etc.

We have been asking for this optional feature, one that is common to all MMOs, PC or console. This is a MMO feature, period.