Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

terrordactyl1971

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Mickey_Ox wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

These companions gone now for good but if I know 3 then how many more are leaving because of this. I will always support ESO especially on console and I will never stop fighting for this essential addition.

I started this game with 6 friends whom like me eagerly awaited launch for so long, however the week IC dropped 1unsubbed and left over the nerfs, 4 unsubbed and left as against all logic chat wasn't added, the remaining 2 of us have unsubbed and are just waiting for fallout to come in a few weeks and we'll be gone too, i really hope a text chat is added to the game as not having one will be the only thing preventing us from returning in the new year.

Amen to that.

Hey Tommy, when we gonna do some OnR dungeon runs?

Tommy1979AtWar

@terrordactyl1971 If something is organised on the site Terror ie which night etc and you're one short jus gimme a shout and I'll check my diary, work is killing me atm though so weekends are usually better for me.

EZgoin76

For the naysayers. "We don't need text chat. Voice chat is great. Be more sociable."
I am a sociable person who plays mmo's on console and pc both. Most of my mmo time was spent on FFXI, but I have played several others.
For those of you saying text chat is a pc thing, NO! It is an mmo thing, regardless what platform it's on.
We use text chat to organize things then use voice once things are good to go.
While playing FFXI. I used text to form groups, parties, and guild activities. Then got everyone to switch to xbox party chat. With voice already integrated into ESO, having text chat included would make things easier for everyone. Including you Pino

Asherons_Call

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

It's never bothered me, besides if I want text chat I would go play on the PC, to be honest I think not having text chat is a good thing, most other games I have played with TChat its usually filled with abusive comments, or people trying to sell everything from a sword to their grandmother.

How is voice chat any different in regards to the abusive comments? In fact it's even worse as there is NO way to moderate the thousands of voice channels in real time. Text chat has built in spam and language filters

Asherons_Call

DaveTheMinion wrote: »

If the developers come on here today and said NO to text chat, that would definitely not be the end of it, people will still moan and continue to ask for it and blame the developers for not listening.

I for one would cease, however I'd switch back to PC and completely start over. That's how important text chat is to me

Asherons_Call

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Define "many", LOL.

99,9998765% of the usability professionals.

I'm in good company, thank you.

What about the gamers? The people that actually play this game? Oh wait our opinions don't matter I forgot

BaldusMageezack

PinoZino wrote: »

BaldusMageezack wrote: »

I find it Ironic that certain people will sit here hours on end communicating in text chat to debate against text chat.

You are just another one who doesn't understand context. Or at least just ignores it. You're not alone, it's one of the main reasons why so many usability flaws exist.

Most of us are typing the forum messages behind a pc, keyboard on a desk or table in front of us.
If we had to use the same keyboard while sitting in our couches, we would react less.
If we had to use the gamepad for creating replies, we would react less.

It’s just showing again and again that opinions about UI don’t work.

I type on my console with the same keyboard, behind the same desk my pc sits at. Your argument is invalid. Not our fault you can't figure out technology works with multiple devices through the same usb connection.

BaldusMageezack

PinoZino wrote: »

aldyftb wrote: »

Guys, you're seriously wasting your time argueing with pino, its not that he doesnt understand, he just doesnt want to. He's always gonna keep coming back with some crap that has nothing to do with the discussion. We've pretty much countered everything he's come up with, yet still keeps going. He doesnt want text chat, we aint gonna convince him otherwise.

Since when are you the spokesman of the entire community?

He speaks for me. I elected him to

a.skelton92

PinoZino wrote: »

kaskel2000 wrote: »

Pino you keep saying that many people do not want text chat. Please give me your statistical analysis of this as you also say that you are not representing "the voice of the community" just yourself? These two statements are contidictory.

I'd add also that saying you will help one disability and then going back on that and actively not helping by not including subtitles and text chat from the word go and in fact going back on that is slightly wrong ethically. I agree games should try and help other forms of disability too but when you say that hard of hearing will be supported and then do not that seems incredibly unfair. Especially as they might have bought the game and are only able to enjoy a part of it.

And you say that text chat doesn't work. I'll say that voice doesn't work. So far I've managed to get into one dungeon group where anyone was using voice chat. Even in Pvp I've heard maybe one or two voices. Instead to get into groups I'm forced into using group finder which doesn't really work. Or in Pvp I'm forced to spam "yes" over and over till someone takes pitty and invites me to group. Now your argument will be that grouping needs to be improved which I would agree. Thing is even if you improve that very few will be using a mic and so no communication takes place what so ever.

So yes again I'll try and level as far as I can but this isn't an mmo without adequate forms of communication. Voice chat only would be great if that's how the real world works. My typical day at work I spend as much time talking to my colleagues as I do typing to them on Skype. The amount of emails that fly around vastly out ways the number of phone calls. Humans communicate in a variety of ways and we shouldn't be limited in a social game.

Also sadly my ZOS reaction I'm realising that this MMO has very little dev interaction with the community. Which is sad as the best MMOs usually have a really good dialogue with there community.

Want? No, need. Some want it, few need it.

And the need can be derived from the context of use.
To fine-tune, you have to watch the users while playing.

We don't work like "87% wants this, so we build it".

We don't care about what they want. But we do care about what they need, determined by their behaviour and interaction with the system.

About the deaf people, read this, it will be more clear:

Why should they take care about the disabled ones, if they don't care about the common people?

Sure, VoiceChat has its issues as well and can be improved. Just like other communication features.

Looking at this thread already alone, I understand very well why the dev people don't want to interact anymore.

It has no meaning, it's pointless. It's scientists versus believers. They have more to lose than to win.

And some people here are rather very impolite. These are the ones who created a toxic atmosphere. Who likes to talk with such people? Few. And certainly not for a long time.

Do you 'ever' actually answer peoples questions? Again, mutton dressed as lamb. As for your last statement, I believe you have been talking to said "toxic community" for the best part of a day, with no plans on retiring anytime soon.

One of your favourite responses you keep saying is "Just because I disagree does not make me a troll" (and other responses of a similar nature). So, using your own logic, I assume you think we are a "toxic community" because we do not agree with you? Your statements are full of contradictions that suggest your arguments are that of a troll than someone who GENUINELY believes in what they are arguing. You render many of your previous "arguments" useless.

Oh and in regards to my first question; replying is different to answering. A dog can reply to your call but he cannot answer a question. You are said dog.

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lets use Destiny as an example...where users felt the grouping options offered were not ideal for how some wanted to play so they created LFG websites and apps.

For grouping the same has occurred in this game. There are sites like ESOTUlfg.com and others that offer solutions to this topic of discussion. Regarding trading or other ideas that text chat is desired to be used for, I think there are enough who are for the idea who can use this forum to birth ideas to better solve your concerns.
If you've not joined Facebook and other social media sites who use a ESOTU page to allow trading and sharing of screenshots to trade as well as guild recruit, group, etc. Those are also available opportunities.

And a ton of people left Destiny that were there at launch because the grouping system didn't work at all. Now,, it still doesn't exist for raids and even though there have been improvements in Destiny, many people won't return because it's a matter of a 'too little, too late'. The negative impact to Destiny players by the lack of proper MMO communication/grouping tools resulted in their initial downfall. I look at my friends list on Xbox at all the people I met at launch of Destiny, not a single one plays anymore. They have all moved on, and to a person it's because of the lack of communication/grouping tools in the game in addition to mixing in the bad loot system.

Bottomline, no one wanted to go to an external website to group, to look at Grimore cards that were collected IN the game. It was a complete failure.

Now the pattern repeats in ESO console. You are saying the proper solution is to go to website outside of the game to properly group or communicate with the community. And in order to go to an external website, YOU NEED A KEYBOARD TO TYPE. You need to bring up a virtual keyboard or use a real keyboard to use ESOTUlfg.com.

How ironic and stupid is that solution?

NewBlacksmurf

uberkull wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lets use Destiny as an example...where users felt the grouping options offered were not ideal for how some wanted to play so they created LFG websites and apps.

For grouping the same has occurred in this game. There are sites like ESOTUlfg.com and others that offer solutions to this topic of discussion. Regarding trading or other ideas that text chat is desired to be used for, I think there are enough who are for the idea who can use this forum to birth ideas to better solve your concerns.
If you've not joined Facebook and other social media sites who use a ESOTU page to allow trading and sharing of screenshots to trade as well as guild recruit, group, etc. Those are also available opportunities.

And a ton of people left Destiny that were there at launch because the grouping system didn't work at all. Now,, it still doesn't exist for raids and even though there have been improvements in Destiny, many people won't return because it's a matter of a 'too little, too late'. The negative impact to Destiny players by the lack of proper MMO communication/grouping tools resulted in their initial downfall. I look at my friends list on Xbox at all the people I met at launch of Destiny, not a single one plays anymore. They have all moved on, and to a person it's because of the lack of communication/grouping tools in the game in addition to mixing in the bad loot system.

Bottomline, no one wanted to go to an external website to group, to look at Grimore cards that were collected IN the game. It was a complete failure.

Now the pattern repeats in ESO console. You are saying the proper solution is to go to website outside of the game to properly group or communicate with the community. And in order to go to an external website, YOU NEED A KEYBOARD TO TYPE. You need to bring up a virtual keyboard or use a real keyboard to use ESOTUlfg.com.

How ironic and stupid is that solution?

you keep partially quoting me.....either work together or go do something that helps you and others.

Stop picking, fights, arguing and attacking others
maybe go meet some ppl vs. fighting on the forums

There are opportunities to get a form of what you and others want but you seem to only want it your way.
-Go make a game, go apply to work for ZOS, make and design something for Xbox or whatever but what you're doing isn't helping you or anyone else who feels as you feel about this.

anitajoneb17_ESO

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

you keep partially quoting me.....either work together or go do something that helps you and others.

Stop picking, fights, arguing and attacking others
maybe go meet some ppl vs. fighting on the forums

There are opportunities to get a form of what you and others want but you seem to only want it your way.
-Go make a game, go apply to work for ZOS, make and design something for Xbox or whatever but what you're doing isn't helping you or anyone else who feels as you feel about this.

I don't think people are arguing or being aggressive just for the sake of it, @NewBlacksmurf . But you must understand that we've had to deal for two days on this thread with someone who repeated ad nauseam that IT users' self-expressed wishes are not valid, since the only reliable way to identify users' needs is to observe their behaviour. While that might be true to a certain extent, bringing it here on this forum is obviously a trolling attitude because, obviously, people on a forum cannot be "observed". All they can do with a forum is express and explain what they want.

While you're nice to talk to and with a positive attitude, your attitude seems quite out of place too. People on this thread want to express their experience without text chat and still hope to convince ZOS to implement text chat.
What you're saying is "let's accept we'll never get text chat and elaborate alternatives instead". While that might be a very wise attitude, it's just the exact opposite of the thread's purpose. That's why people react a little bit agressively. Like everyone who's told to "shut up" and "deal with it" when trying to express a concern.

If you want to think of viable alternatives to text chat for consoles, maybe it's better to create another thread for that purpose.

As to "esolfg", it is obviously a very nice and useful work that the whole community should be thankful for. Nonetheless, I bet even its creators would be very happy to dump it if it can be efficiently replaced by ergonomic and working in-game functions.

Nergie4242

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

you keep partially quoting me.....either work together or go do something that helps you and others.

Stop picking, fights, arguing and attacking others
maybe go meet some ppl vs. fighting on the forums

There are opportunities to get a form of what you and others want but you seem to only want it your way.
-Go make a game, go apply to work for ZOS, make and design something for Xbox or whatever but what you're doing isn't helping you or anyone else who feels as you feel about this.

I don't think people are arguing or being aggressive just for the sake of it, @NewBlacksmurf . But you must understand that we've had to deal for two days on this thread with someone who repeated ad nauseam that IT users' self-expressed wishes are not valid, since the only reliable way to identify users' needs is to observe their behaviour. While that might be true to a certain extent, bringing it here on this forum is obviously a trolling attitude because, obviously, people on a forum cannot be "observed". All they can do with a forum is express and explain what they want.

While you're nice to talk to and with a positive attitude, your attitude seems quite out of place too. People on this thread want to express their experience without text chat and still hope to convince ZOS to implement text chat.
What you're saying is "let's accept we'll never get text chat and elaborate alternatives instead". While that might be a very wise attitude, it's just the exact opposite of the thread's purpose. That's why people react a little bit agressively. Like everyone who's told to "shut up" and "deal with it" when trying to express a concern.

If you want to think of viable alternatives to text chat for consoles, maybe it's better to create another thread for that purpose.

As to "esolfg", it is obviously a very nice and useful work that the whole community should be thankful for. Nonetheless, I bet even its creators would be very happy to dump it if it can be efficiently replaced by ergonomic and working in-game functions.

This ^

FireCowCommando

whoops.

Fuzzybrick

PinoZino wrote: »

So ZOS should print on the package of the box: keyboard required.

No because it wouldn't be required, same as every other game. Optional. You buy one if you want, otherwise you use the digital one that's provided in game.

So no it wouldn't effect their sales.

I guarantee Microsoft and sony don't care

and I've been a consol player for over 20 years and I used a keybord with my ps2, ps3, xbox and ps4 and know everyone I played online with games such as ps2 everquest ps3 dcuo and other games I can't think of right now, all used keybord. Your argument is invalid.

Furthermore each guild I'm a apart of (500 members) only 5 to 20 of those people use a headset. And when I group with one of the people who don't get in chat and ask them why, it's always the same answer. They don't feel like hearing the nonsense going on in chat. So like everyone else they keep their headset off until they group for something. I'll *** with people for a while but keep my headset off most of the time and keep every channel muted because I don't want my son and daughter hearing people talk about PU**Y and all the racist ***.

Your right, the game pad is a constraint, which is why I would like the option to use a keybord.

And finally, how many disabled people play this game? Does ZOS just say fu** them? Because that's what it looks like. People with speech problems or hearing problems are gamers too.

NewBlacksmurf

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

you keep partially quoting me.....either work together or go do something that helps you and others.

Stop picking, fights, arguing and attacking others
maybe go meet some ppl vs. fighting on the forums

There are opportunities to get a form of what you and others want but you seem to only want it your way.
-Go make a game, go apply to work for ZOS, make and design something for Xbox or whatever but what you're doing isn't helping you or anyone else who feels as you feel about this.

I don't think people are arguing or being aggressive just for the sake of it, @NewBlacksmurf . But you must understand that we've had to deal for two days on this thread with someone who repeated ad nauseam that IT users' self-expressed wishes are not valid, since the only reliable way to identify users' needs is to observe their behaviour. While that might be true to a certain extent, bringing it here on this forum is obviously a trolling attitude because, obviously, people on a forum cannot be "observed". All they can do with a forum is express and explain what they want.

While you're nice to talk to and with a positive attitude, your attitude seems quite out of place too. People on this thread want to express their experience without text chat and still hope to convince ZOS to implement text chat.
What you're saying is "let's accept we'll never get text chat and elaborate alternatives instead". While that might be a very wise attitude, it's just the exact opposite of the thread's purpose. That's why people react a little bit agressively. Like everyone who's told to "shut up" and "deal with it" when trying to express a concern.

If you want to think of viable alternatives to text chat for consoles, maybe it's better to create another thread for that purpose.

As to "esolfg", it is obviously a very nice and useful work that the whole community should be thankful for. Nonetheless, I bet even its creators would be very happy to dump it if it can be efficiently replaced by ergonomic and working in-game functions.

In all due respect.... Its absolutely nothing wrong with discussing what each person likes and dislikes, why and how they handle those situations. That's not whats going on here anymore.

Just to be clear....I'm am specifically saying to anyone in this thread or in general.

Stop arguing, belittling, targeting, attacking, trolling, etc anyone who disagrees regardless of what side of the topic you and they are on. Work together as you share your experiences so that a common ground can be established and hopefully some best practices.

Whether the feature does come or never comes isn't the point...the point is that we all are playing the same game and more than likely need to work together rather than create enemies.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Oh it was a general "peace" talk then. Well, I guess there's nothing anyone can say against it :-) They're always welcome ;-)

Riga_Mortis

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh it was a general "peace" talk then. Well, I guess there's nothing anyone can say against it :-) They're always welcome ;-)

Pass the pipe then

Asherons_Call

Dazza1968 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Oh it was a general "peace" talk then. Well, I guess there's nothing anyone can say against it :-) They're always welcome ;-)

Pass the pipe then

Puff puff pass unless you're a scavenger like snoop dogg

Artjuh90

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think you need to give people more credit man.

And how can we fix humans their cognitive capacities and limits?
I'm all ears when you have a solution.

You, you probably play the game every day. At least a lot or you probably did.
So, I really do understand your view.

But you assume that Johnny, who's playing the game once a month, could do what you are doing.
But he can't. He will forget commands and best case he will forget them partly.

At that moment you created a threshold for Johnny. The idea is to minimize the thresholds as much as possible.
The game isn't designed for your type of players alone, but also for the Johnnies. At least it should.

And that's why a command system is maybe (and I'm even not sure) nice for you, but not for Johnny.

such BS like PC gamers wouldn't have this problem.

Astaris

PinoZino wrote: »

Astaris wrote: »

Its funny, you want text chat - optional. You don't want it? MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.


Optional is good.


Just my 2.2 cents

No, options are not necessary good, but good options are.

A good option is one that's used by a significant share of the audience.
A good option is one that's not influencing the gameplay and forcing the player to buy eventual extra hardware
A good option should also not break other functionality

Give me a break, optional text chat (that is in every other PS/4 MMO) breaks the game? Optional is good, you are not the only decider of what a "Good" option is, if you hate it, shut it off! Duh! That's why an option is good!

We have told you the myriad of keyboards that would work. None are required purchases. The predictive typing in the PS/4 is pretty good, very easy to say LFG , Help needed, etc. with the controller.

All that other stuff is smoke and mirrors. This was a gross mistake that should not have slipped though Q.C. (I would can the guy who forgot that voice chat needs a PTT Button)

Just my 2.2 cents.

Artheiron

PinoZino wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

You can't compare apple and zos. apple is a company that works on something more serious than video games.

and also you didn't get what steve said there, steve wasn't trying to say "devs! underdeliver your products! make them overpriced! sell bits and pieces as dlcs" He was trying to say "do your damn research right, do your design right. make products that fit everyone."

ZoS not giving a text option to console players is like apple not giving writing text with a virtual keyboard option.

Does the iPhone have an UI? Yes.
Does ESO have an UI? Yes.
And are both UI's used by people? Yes.

That's what they share. You use exactly the same techniques and procedures to determine what's the best UI in both worlds.

The outcome could be different due so many parameters:

• The characteristics of the user
• The tasks and goals of the users
• The context of use, where are they using it and how?
• Are there any other artefacts used?
• Hardware and other constraints
• …

You have to analyze the above (and more) and not just feel ‘we need this or we need that’.

Feelings don’t work in designing an UI. Keep your feelings for the bedroom.

you simply can't design a video game especially a mmorpg using some primitive UI design criteria. that list in this case is invalid. a mmorpg is far more complex than that. also, you can't design a mobile phone like you're designing a video game. a bug in the tamriel's map will make some nerd kids mad but a bug in the apple maps may take your life.

anyway. I'll give you examples why people need using text.

usually consoles are placed in living rooms where the TVs are. Living rooms generally are the biggest rooms in a house which means, it's more likely they'll share walls with other rooms. which means unless you're living alone, you need to shut your mouth late at night.

text is permanent, voice is temporary. in a social game like this, you'll need to teach people things, give instrucitons to your group members, theorycraft, share links, advertise game related stuff etc.

language issues, especially in europe. when you play eso, it's easy to understand the game designed by americans how? like many other american products their R&D teams and designers won't give a f. about the rest of the world. there are people out there understand what they listen, type well but unable to speak english clearly. I personally had that issue when I failed to explain something (like a dungeon boss etc) in english.

disabilities, social issues, temporary illnesses and others.

did they really research how often mmo players face with these issues?

so mr. einstein. Sorry but all these people raging here in the forums begs the question.
What if ZoS didn't implemented text chat in their game cos they felt like they shouldn't? *mind blown*

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Lets use Destiny as an example...where users felt the grouping options offered were not ideal for how some wanted to play so they created LFG websites and apps.

For grouping the same has occurred in this game. There are sites like ESOTUlfg.com and others that offer solutions to this topic of discussion. Regarding trading or other ideas that text chat is desired to be used for, I think there are enough who are for the idea who can use this forum to birth ideas to better solve your concerns.
If you've not joined Facebook and other social media sites who use a ESOTU page to allow trading and sharing of screenshots to trade as well as guild recruit, group, etc. Those are also available opportunities.

And a ton of people left Destiny that were there at launch because the grouping system didn't work at all. Now,, it still doesn't exist for raids and even though there have been improvements in Destiny, many people won't return because it's a matter of a 'too little, too late'. The negative impact to Destiny players by the lack of proper MMO communication/grouping tools resulted in their initial downfall. I look at my friends list on Xbox at all the people I met at launch of Destiny, not a single one plays anymore. They have all moved on, and to a person it's because of the lack of communication/grouping tools in the game in addition to mixing in the bad loot system.

Bottomline, no one wanted to go to an external website to group, to look at Grimore cards that were collected IN the game. It was a complete failure.

Now the pattern repeats in ESO console. You are saying the proper solution is to go to website outside of the game to properly group or communicate with the community. And in order to go to an external website, YOU NEED A KEYBOARD TO TYPE. You need to bring up a virtual keyboard or use a real keyboard to use ESOTUlfg.com.

How ironic and stupid is that solution?

you keep partially quoting me.....either work together or go do something that helps you and others.

Stop picking, fights, arguing and attacking others
maybe go meet some ppl vs. fighting on the forums

There are opportunities to get a form of what you and others want but you seem to only want it your way.
-Go make a game, go apply to work for ZOS, make and design something for Xbox or whatever but what you're doing isn't helping you or anyone else who feels as you feel about this.

I quote the parts of your posts that aren't accurate or don't apply to the topic at all. I come with facts and accuracy.

You're approach is a typical fanboy approach and YOU insult people's passionate posts who are just letting ZOS know how they feel about the game they want to love to play.

I can see right through your act. The MS MVP act, the 'I tested this and that in beta', preview program, blah blah. You aren't anything but a guy that posts a lot on different forums. And being in the Xbox preview program doesn't make you special, it's easy to get into. It's easy to answer tech questions on the MS tech support forums. It's easy to hit high forum posts when you do nothing but post nonsense.

Why do you continue to post on these pro-text posts if you are against it? Ignore them and let people voice their opinions.

If your goal is to get MVP on these forums, good luck....you'd never get my vote.

RocksAreGood

Will start playing again once text chat is added.

Kalfis

I think I have the solution to this problem.

Remove all MMOs on consoles forever.

Artjuh90

Kalfis wrote: »

I think I have the solution to this problem.

Remove all MMOs on consoles forever.

Usefull comment you are ignored from now on

Chieve

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/226384/when-can-we-get-text-chat-on-console#latest

I always saw this as a way to just filer out all the players who want rhis and kind if narrow them donw into one thread so instead of ignorijg multiple thread they aill nust ignore one...

Kleptobrainiac

I like how the pro text chat folks try to pigeonhole the anti text chat players as strictly console players who have never played a PC MMO or gamers new to MMOs altogether.

RatedChaotic

I would use the system they have in place and would drop the text chat argument if they banned all the kids from the game. Some of them need a bar of soap or an ass whoopin.

bareheiny

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

I like how the pro text chat folks try to pigeonhole the anti text chat players as strictly console players who have never played a PC MMO or gamers new to MMOs altogether.

What? The same way "anti-text" chat folk try to pigeonhole the pro-text chat folk as strictly PC players sticking their oar in on a console issue?


Anyway, I've said it before....and it seems to be coming true - we're all starting to look like poo-flinging monkeys. And ZOS only get invovled when they have to clean up the cages.