Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

Tommy1979AtWar

aldyftb wrote: »

Tommy, who made you the voice of authority

Me of course.... I had a poll in which only I was allowed to vote in an effort to make it completely unbias

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

It looks like you've forgotten how to use your common sense Pino.
And RatedChaotic is right by saying that you haven't understood the issue and you're proving again that you haven't.

Say you're looking for 1 member for running daily vet. You have 3 guilds.

On vocal, you have to join guild1. Wait for people to stop talking in order to not interrupt them. Say hello and stuff. Ask if someone wants to run daily vet. Wait for answers. Have to listen to people saying why they would like to come or would not like to come. Eventually rinse and repeat for each sub-channel of guild 1. Then repeat in guild 2, then in guild 3.

On text chat, type "LF1M daily gold" in guild1 channel, copy/paste in guild2, copy/paste in guild 3. Done.

How's making switching vocal channels going to solve this better than text chat ? You cannot participate in several vocal channels at once, that's fact that cannot be changed, and you can participate in multiple text channels at once.

Again. Did I provide a solution? No, I didn't.

I just asked if he would be happy if they had a solution.

It's pretty normal that you can't find a solution. You're not an expert, you're just a user with no background or whatever in this subject.

But ok, I guess roleplaying can be fun.

aldyftb

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

aldyftb wrote: »

Tommy, who made you the voice of authority

Me of course.... I had a poll in which only I was allowed to vote in an effort to make it completely unbias

Should have polled for head of zos...then you give the nod for text chat

a.skelton92

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Define "many", LOL.

99,9998765% of the usability professionals.

I'm in good company, thank you.

Oh, those ! :-) Well I'd like to have them testify that in here ;-) I also could pretend half the world agrees with me, problem is, half the world is not in here.

You've proven on various occasions that you don't understand the requirement behind the demand because you don't know how and why people use voice chat and text chat in the game. You said yourself you don't use either of them on any platform and limit yourself to using mail and forum systems. Your fellow "professionals" wouldn't understand the requirement either.

You're doing exactly what you blame on others : thinking that your way of using things would be the best for everyone.

He is talking out his arse.. These "professionals" he refers to are a figment of his imagination, as are the random numbers and statistics he pulls out of his 'magic hat'. One of his guild mates probably agrees with him and so he gives him a lab coat and a clip board in the hope it makes his uninformed argument more credible.

As someone else previously stated; he is no more than your common household troll. His arguments are mutton dressed as lamb. They may at first appear to be juicy and well cooked but when bite you into it; you discover it is tough and hard to digest.

Mm, yes. Quite, Indeed.

Tommy1979AtWar

aldyftb wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

aldyftb wrote: »

Tommy, who made you the voice of authority

Me of course.... I had a poll in which only I was allowed to vote in an effort to make it completely unbias

Should have polled for head of zos...then you give the nod for text chat

I would have but 99,9998766% of ux researchers polled advised me against it

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

Again. Did I provide a solution? No, I didn't.

I just asked if he would be happy if they had a solution.

It's pretty normal that you can't find a solution. You're not an expert, you're just a user with no background or whatever in this subject.

But ok, I guess roleplaying can be fun.

Yes, we're used to you promoting solutions that you don't suggest nor provide.

The impossibility to clone oneself physically to communicate vocally with people in different channels at the same time is a law of physics that no expert will ever be able to bypass, sorry for your ego as an expert, man.

And talk about roleplaying... ... I sincerely hope you're having a lot of fun in this conversation, because if you're serious and genuine, well yes, you show considerable lack in global understanding. No offense, but that's what it is.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Yes, we're used to you promoting solutions that you don't suggest nor provide.

Finally you noticed that I didn't provide a solution at all. It took a while to get here, but ok.

So why are you laughing about a solution I didn't provide?

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

The impossibility to clone oneself physically to communicate vocally with people in different channels at the same time is a law of physics that no expert will ever be able to bypass, sorry for your ego as an expert, man.

And talk about roleplaying...

Who said a solution should be working like YOUR solution?

I don't get this.

I don't provide a solution, I just ask, would you be happy if they solved this? Normal question.

Later YOU wrote down a solution.

And then you start laughing with your own solution pretending it's mine? Ok. And lol.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

I don't get this.

You don't get much of the issues of this conversation in fact... ;-)

kaskel2000

Pino you keep saying that many people do not want text chat. Please give me your statistical analysis of this as you also say that you are not representing "the voice of the community" just yourself? These two statements are contidictory.

I'd add also that saying you will help one disability and then going back on that and actively not helping by not including subtitles and text chat from the word go and in fact going back on that is slightly wrong ethically. I agree games should try and help other forms of disability too but when you say that hard of hearing will be supported and then do not that seems incredibly unfair. Especially as they might have bought the game and are only able to enjoy a part of it.

And you say that text chat doesn't work. I'll say that voice doesn't work. So far I've managed to get into one dungeon group where anyone was using voice chat. Even in Pvp I've heard maybe one or two voices. Instead to get into groups I'm forced into using group finder which doesn't really work. Or in Pvp I'm forced to spam "yes" over and over till someone takes pitty and invites me to group. Now your argument will be that grouping needs to be improved which I would agree. Thing is even if you improve that very few will be using a mic and so no communication takes place what so ever.

So yes again I'll try and level as far as I can but this isn't an mmo without adequate forms of communication. Voice chat only would be great if that's how the real world works. My typical day at work I spend as much time talking to my colleagues as I do typing to them on Skype. The amount of emails that fly around vastly out ways the number of phone calls. Humans communicate in a variety of ways and we shouldn't be limited in a social game.

Also sadly my ZOS reaction I'm realising that this MMO has very little dev interaction with the community. Which is sad as the best MMOs usually have a really good dialogue with there community.

PinoZino

a.skelton92 wrote: »

He is talking out his arse.. These "professionals" he refers to are a figment of his imagination, as are the random numbers and statistics he pulls out of his 'magic hat'. One of his guild mates probably agrees with him and so he gives him a lab coat and a clip board in the hope it makes his uninformed argument more credible.

As someone else previously stated; he is no more than your common household troll. His arguments are mutton dressed as lamb. They may at first appear to be juicy and well cooked but when bite you into it; you discover it is tough and hard to digest.

Mm, yes. Quite, Indeed.

If people don't share your view, it doesn't mean they are necessarily trolling.

There was a time you couldn't say the Earth was a globe. If you did, most people would organize a BBQ-fest with yourself as a main dish.

But in your case it’s more a tactic. We don’t share the same viewpoint, you don’t have much arguments, so you start with what you do.

Some others in this thread act the same. I'm aware that it can be very efficient.

I'm pretty sure you - and your friends - already made it happen that more people with a dissident view had to leave the forum.

Voluntary or by the moderation.

That's maybe fun for a while, but at the end of the day you're surrounded by yes-man who always will agree with you. At that sudden moment you're de facto on your own.

Tommy1979AtWar

@anitajoneb17_ESO I get the feeling not even he can be bothered to seive through the mountain nonsense he's spouted so let's not explain it to him.

We're all facepalming you Pino, I feel another study is due in order to detract from your fail, another from the last century would be fine, maybe on the migratory habits of african swallows or something.

aldyftb

Sad thing is, I've communicated more on this forum in a few days than I have in-game in 3 months, and not through lack of trying.

terrordactyl1971

I think the forums need voice chat

Tommy1979AtWar

aldyftb wrote: »

Sad thing is, I've communicated more on this forum in a few days than I have in-game in 3 months, and not through lack of trying.

I agree, I noted a thread earlier asking if it's possible to transfer from ps4 to pc, some reasons given lead back to issues raised in this thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225497/console-to-pc#latest

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

You don't get much of the issues of this conversation in fact... ;-)

For me it's a bit weird that you provide a bad solution, pretending it's mine and then you start laughing with that solution.

Nope, I don't get that.

Anita, you do this more. Can you stop it?

Riga_Mortis

If a dev came in here and said something like " we're aware of the problems console gamers might be having communicating adequately with one another, and are actively seeking solutions to rectify this situation ", just how many of us would be more than ok with that little sentence I wonder?

It's a shame the next response from a green name will more than likely be " we're closing this thread............"

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

Anita, you do this more. Can you stop it?

Why ? I'm feeding you after all, I know I shouldn't, but you should thank me :-)

NB : I doubt you'll understand this but hey, just for the sake of being polite : I did not suggest a bad solution, I explained why there is no solution, which is also why you can't come up with a solution either. Which in turn means that you asking if people would be happier if there was a solution proves that you don't understand the issue (or pretend not to).

aldyftb

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

aldyftb wrote: »

Sad thing is, I've communicated more on this forum in a few days than I have in-game in 3 months, and not through lack of trying.

I agree, I noted a thread earlier asking if it's possible to transfer from ps4 to pc, some reasons given lead back to issues raised in this thread.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/225497/console-to-pc#latest

I'd play on pc if I owned one lol, I've always been a console gamer.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Why ? I'm feeding you after all, I know I shouldn't, but you should thank me :-)

NB : I doubt you'll understand this but hey, just for the sake of being polite : I did not suggest a bad solution, I explained why there is no solution, which is also why you can't come up with a solution either. Which in turn means that you asking if people would be happier if there was a solution proves that you don't understand the issue (or pretend not to).

You didn't suggest a bad solution, you actually gave one. And later you pretented it was mine. But ok.

You're mixing up more things and assuming a lot.

There is no solution according YOU. Doesn't mean there's no solution.

That I didn't provide a solution, doesn't mean I can't come up with one.

I ask you once more: can you stop this?

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

You didn't suggest a bad solution, you actually gave one. And later you pretented it was mine.

Well, everyone can read and make up his own mind about what I wrote.

PinoZino wrote: »

That I didn't provide a solution, doesn't mean I can't come up with one.

Prove it and come up with one.

PinoZino wrote: »

I ask you once more: can you stop this?

I can understand that it bothers you that I can demonstrate with crystal clear wording and common sense that you're trying to make a fool of everyone on this thread and/or that you don't know what you are talking about. If you want to avoid that, stop posting. Posting in a public forum implies that you will be confronted with other people's reactions and arguments.

Cadbury

Huh. The little topic that could. Ar least this shows we can have a healthy and vigorous discussion that has yet to die down. Nice!

PinoZino

kaskel2000 wrote: »

Also shows we can have a discussion using the form of text chat.

Seriously Pino that thread you linked on disabilitys has just left me speechless. we should care about all people but saying we shouldn't care about people with disabilitys because they don't care about those without is just completely wrong! Maybe I'm a bit of a lefty when it comes to British politics but ssriously wow, just wow!

I think you didn't read it well.

We should care about disabled people, but first solve the issues of the 'common' people.

This group is much bigger.

And if you take care about the common people, you already took care about the disabled ones. Partly.

Later you can focus on the specific needs of the disabled ones.

ZOS_MaryB

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anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

We should care about disabled people, but first solve the issues of the 'common' people.

This group is much bigger.

And if you take care about the common people, you already took care about the disabled ones. Partly.

Later you can focus on the specific needs of the disabled ones.

So biggest group first. As a principle. Tell that to all people with orphan diseases. To any minority.
And prove that taking care of the majority will automatically lead to improvements for the minorities.
You'll have a very hard time doing that.
But, oh wait, you'll tell me again that you don't have to prove anything you say... you're the "expert".

As long as it applies to a video game it can be considered funny, but when it applies to real life minorities possibly in despair or suffering, it's right out revolting.

kaskel2000

I think it must have been as I opened it, read it then wanted to read it again before replying to Pino.

I just don't know what to say to that last comment Pino. I think picking on the disabled is incredibly low. You are entitled to your opinion but please leave it else where and don't bring it into a discussion on a forum unless you are purposely trying to get the thread shut.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Wow... just wow dude... you're really going all out to have this thread closed aren't you.
Pretty disgusted that you still have an account after derogatory remarks like that, really no excuse.

Disabled people do exist. But according Tommy you can't say, because that would be a derogatory remark.

Ok. Hey, Tommy, women do exist too. Et voila, another derogatory remark

Did you read the link, Tommy? No, you didn't. Which is sad, it would be clear that I do support disabled people.

I read the thread and link in it's entirity Pino, like kaskel2000 I'm pretty much speechless.

Your terminology and content is sickening really for the 21st century and I'm pretty disgusted in Zos for allowing it to stay up.

Why don't you go ask a deaf person if they're disabled Pino?, why don't you go tell them that they can't do what you or I do, that they're different and not like everyone else.

My guess is you'd learn something.

Lack of intelligence would be no excuse if you were standing in court infront of a judge, discrimination is a crime Pino.

bedlom

What also upsets me about this is that I have serveral friends who are serious MMORPG and TES fans, and they loved this game but in the end moved on. And they all said the same thing, that they was shocked there was no txt chat, no sense of community and awful grouping tools, no one ever uses VC and when they do the quality or pointless noise is unbearable most of the time.

These companions gone now for good but if I know 3 then how many more are leaving because of this. I will always support ESO especially on console and I will never stop fighting for this essential addition. I understand the frustration of seeing garbage, I myself pray for a quick hide option in the chat window (trust me most have one even PC ESO) for when I dont want to see one.

This is the greatest MMORPG ever made imo, and on console this is true next gen stuff. I cant imagine any real MMORPG without one, it brought me so many good times on PC and other games with one.

Oh when I think to how alive, random and everything an mmorpg should be with a chat window, and ZOS can do it well so I really dont get it is still not there tbh.

Mickey_Ox

bedlom wrote: »

These companions gone now for good but if I know 3 then how many more are leaving because of this. I will always support ESO especially on console and I will never stop fighting for this essential addition.

I started this game with 6 friends whom like me eagerly awaited launch for so long, however the week IC dropped 1unsubbed and left over the nerfs, 4 unsubbed and left as against all logic chat wasn't added, the remaining 2 of us have unsubbed and are just waiting for fallout to come in a few weeks and we'll be gone too, i really hope a text chat is added to the game as not having one will be the only thing preventing us from returning in the new year.

NewBlacksmurf

Bottom line....outside of the back and forth arguing.

There are those getting along just fine as is and there are those who feel the game should offer a traditional typing communication experience on the in-game game and not limited to console specific means.

What this means is as humans, we are all in different places in our lives socially.

-We all can display examples, polls, reports, opinions, data and regardless of if either is fact based, on topic, or if those examples relate to this situation, at the end of the day this should just be a discussion rather than an argument.

For those who prefer a text based form....knowing that begging and asking ZOS to reconsider since March has not prompted any interest. Perhaps the next best idea is to collaborate among one another (both those who don't need it and those who do feel its needed) and come up with best practices for each console.

Lets use Destiny as an example...where users felt the grouping options offered were not ideal for how some wanted to play so they created LFG websites and apps.

For grouping the same has occurred in this game. There are sites like ESOTUlfg.com and others that offer solutions to this topic of discussion. Regarding trading or other ideas that text chat is desired to be used for, I think there are enough who are for the idea who can use this forum to birth ideas to better solve your concerns.
If you've not joined Facebook and other social media sites who use a ESOTU page to allow trading and sharing of screenshots to trade as well as guild recruit, group, etc. Those are also available opportunities.

In the end....lets kill the arguing and come up with our own opportunities.
-If none of this is of interest to you...that's fine but lets not argue about it.

Tommy1979AtWar

Mickey_Ox wrote: »

bedlom wrote: »

These companions gone now for good but if I know 3 then how many more are leaving because of this. I will always support ESO especially on console and I will never stop fighting for this essential addition.

I started this game with 6 friends whom like me eagerly awaited launch for so long, however the week IC dropped 1unsubbed and left over the nerfs, 4 unsubbed and left as against all logic chat wasn't added, the remaining 2 of us have unsubbed and are just waiting for fallout to come in a few weeks and we'll be gone too, i really hope a text chat is added to the game as not having one will be the only thing preventing us from returning in the new year.

Amen to that, fallout may not be an mmo but it's still going to be awesome.