Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

PinoZino

BalticBlues wrote: »

What does this have to do with text chat?
If you do not like democracies and prefer absolute regimes,
you are free to ask for citizenship in Russia or China if you think their rulers are better people.

A lot. It shows that democracy isn't guaranteeing the best solutions.

Btw, the people in Russia and even China elect their leaders too.

Your suggestion to move to Russia or China is a fallacy. Class "Tertium non datur" or in English "Law of excluded middle".

"You're either with us, or against us", while there are more than 2 options.

Please, don't use it against me. A bit too easy. Thank you.

BalticBlues wrote: »

If 100% of the players need the massive communication problems on consoles to be fixed,
ZOS needs to address this or risks going out of the console business.
MMOs are social networks. Such networks need more than only one voice channel per time.
Networking MMO people feel isolated in only one voice channel.
If people cannot communicate properly with friends and guilds, an MMO cannot prosper.

I think I was clear in this one. I was talking about solutions. Requirements is a different animal.

That's why I also wrote:

But you certainly have to listen to the requirement behind the solution:

Please MTV, pimp my communication.

One starts to wonder why we need TextChat if people can't read well...

BalticBlues

PinoZino wrote: »

democracy isn't guaranteeing the best solutions.

So which other system in your opinion delivers the best solutions?

PinoZino wrote: »

the people in Russia and even China elect their leaders too.

As you can elect selected items from a crown store. Such systems have nothing to do with a democracy. If you do not understand the meaning of Democracy, try reading about it in Wikipedia.

PinoZino wrote: »

One starts to wonder why we need TextChat if people can't read well...

Have look in the mirror. Even after so many pages you do not understand how MMOs work.
One starts to wonder why you play an MMO if you could be happy with a simple COD?
ESO is part of the MMO market, and MMO customers expect proper MMO communication.
Refusing to supply proper MMO communication damages the product.
It is in the best interest of ZOS to make MMO customers happy instead of frustrating them.

kaskel2000

I also wonder about the hard of hearing. The original question to Zeni was from a hard of hearing person when they said yes there would be text chat. This game has basically discriminated against a group of people on console.

BalticBlues

kaskel2000 wrote: »

I also wonder about the hard of hearing. The original question to Zeni was from a hard of hearing person when they said yes there would be text chat. This game has basically discriminated against a group of people on console.

Thanks for reminding us about this reason for text chat.
As we know, ESO will get subtitles for hearing-impaired people. This is great.
Hearing-impaired people also need to communicate in real time, text chat for them is a must.

DaveTheMinion

It's never bothered me, besides if I want text chat I would go play on the PC, to be honest I think not having text chat is a good thing, most other games I have played with TChat its usually filled with abusive comments, or people trying to sell everything from a sword to their grandmother.

PinoZino

BalticBlues wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

democracy isn't guaranteeing the best solutions.

So which system in your opinion is better?

PinoZino wrote: »

the people in Russia and even China elect their leaders too.

As you can elect selected items from a crown store. Such systems have nothing to do with a democracy. If you do not understand the meaning of Democracy, try reading about it in Wikipedia.

PinoZino wrote: »

One starts to wonder why we need TextChat if people can't read well...

Have look in the mirror.
One starts to wonder why you play an MMO if you could be happy with a simple COD.

The best system?

Probably random selected people who fulfil some basic requirements: 21 years or older, no criminal record, citizen of the country, ...

The Old Greeks had such a system for a while, but present times it still exist. I believe in some provinces of Canada, but I'm not sure anymore.

However, it's bit way off topic. No?

The idea is that a voting system, a poll or opinion based solutions don't guarantee the best solutions. In any country we all vote from time to time for wrong people.

Why should it be different when designing UI?

Why oh why do you pretend to know it better as world class authorities who actually examined this specific issue?

First Rule of Usability? Don't Listen to Users

Where’s your analysis? You don’t have one. But you know it for sure. Common sense and blabla. I heard it a million times before.

But it's different when people demand a requirement. Every experienced functional analyst will tell you he'll never listen to solutions, but he does write down the requirement behind the solution.

If people like you would design Google, you would build something like this:



This is a true story. We actually asked several noob and they came with similar stuff as above.

It’s not that weird. If they would ask me to carry out your job, I would probably fail as well.

The difference between you and me, is that I reckon that you have a specific job, that you probably had some training and even more experience to do what you do. I respect that. But the respect is not working in the other direction. No worries, I'm still sleeping well. lol

I play this MMO because it's fun. It's more fun as playing on my own. In fact, there are not that much games I do play on my own.

RatedChaotic

PinoZino wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

It should be added. Have you tried communicating with multiple full groups in pvp? Its a pain in the ass jumping from area to guild to party chats trying to organize. Atleast you can type it once and send to all groups quicker. But who cares.

So if they would fix the switching between Area, Guild and Party VoiceChat, you would be happy too?

^You saying this shows your not very bright. How would you fix switching between chats genius? No matter what in order to talk to people in other guild/party/area chats you have to switch. Therefore text chat. Type once send to multiple people,guilds, or parties.

If it gets added I'll plug my keyboard in.

forgotten7377

Who else seen the z beside this thread and new automatically it wasn't an official post from a mod on why text chat aint on console but you knew it was there because they was warning people about blah blah what not to do lmao

PinoZino

kaskel2000 wrote: »

I also wonder about the hard of hearing. The original question to Zeni was from a hard of hearing person when they said yes there would be text chat. This game has basically discriminated against a group of people on console.

That's certainly true. But you don't solve their problems with a non-VoiceChat solution alone. Ok, they will add subtitles soon, but probably they even need more.

And next to deaf people, there are other significant categories of impaired and disabled ones:
Colour blind people, people with dyslexia, people with dyscalculia, people with autism, etc...

But why would we expect they help these people, if they don't help out the 'common' people - which is a much bigger group?

If they would help the 'common' people, they would already help the others a lot too. Really.

Take 'subtitles'.

Is that only useful for deaf people?

Certainly not. Not everyone is fluent in English. When they receive 2 stimuli (text and voice), they'll better understand what's communicated.

There are more non-native English speakers playing this game as deaf people.

Did they cared about them? Till recently: no. But I have much respect they fixed finally that issue. To me, they are showing: give us some time, we’re working on it.

ZOS_Brett

Hey, everyone. We understand that people are going to differing opinions, from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. There is no need for insults or other disruptive or trolling behavior. This does not help further discussion and can make a thread go off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated and respectful when doing so. Thank you!

forgotten7377

ZOS_Brett wrote: »

Hey, everyone. We understand that people are going to differing opinions, from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. There is no need for insults or other disruptive or trolling behavior. This does not help further discussion and can make a thread go off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated and respectful when doing so. Thank you!

Oh look even another post about warning people but no post about the topic lmao

aldyftb

Guys, you're seriously wasting your time argueing with pino, its not that he doesnt understand, he just doesnt want to. He's always gonna keep coming back with some crap that has nothing to do with the discussion. We've pretty much countered everything he's come up with, yet still keeps going. He doesnt want text chat, we aint gonna convince him otherwise.

aldyftb

ZOS_Brett wrote: »

Hey, everyone. We understand that people are going to differing opinions, from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. There is no need for insults or other disruptive or trolling behavior. This does not help further discussion and can make a thread go off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated and respectful when doing so. Thank you!

This is what happens when people are ignored...maybe a little feedback from a dev on the subject?

PinoZino

aldyftb wrote: »

Guys, you're seriously wasting your time argueing with pino, its not that he doesnt understand, he just doesnt want to. He's always gonna keep coming back with some crap that has nothing to do with the discussion. We've pretty much countered everything he's come up with, yet still keeps going. He doesnt want text chat, we aint gonna convince him otherwise.

Since when are you the spokesman of the entire community?

Who granted you with that authority?

Are you aware that many people share my view?

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

Are you aware that many people share my view?

Define "many", LOL.

DaveTheMinion

If the developers come on here today and said NO to text chat, that would definitely not be the end of it, people will still moan and continue to ask for it and blame the developers for not listening.

Riga_Mortis

@pinozino Are YOU aware that many share aldyftb view, see how easy that was.!!

aldyftb

No authority here, merely making an observation.

since when are you the spokeman of the entire community

Kettle calling pot black....come on pino....

PinoZino

RatedChaotic wrote: »

^You saying this shows your not very bright. How would you fix switching between chats genius? No matter what in order to talk to people in other guild/party/area chats you have to switch. Therefore text chat. Type once send to multiple people,guilds, or parties.

If it gets added I'll plug my keyboard in.

Another 'oh you're not in my team, so you must be stupid'. Ok.

May I ask you, do you do this in a random bar with strangers as well? Probably not. So, why are you doing it here?

Now, read it again. Did I provide a solution? No.

I just asked would you be happy if they solved it.

Tommy1979AtWar

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Are you aware that many people share my view?

Define "many", LOL.

I choked on my coffee slightly at that too

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Define "many", LOL.

99,9998765% of the usability professionals.

I'm in good company, thank you.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

RatedChaotic wrote: »

^You saying this shows your not very bright. How would you fix switching between chats genius? No matter what in order to talk to people in other guild/party/area chats you have to switch. Therefore text chat. Type once send to multiple people,guilds, or parties.

If it gets added I'll plug my keyboard in.

Another 'oh you're not in my team, so you must be stupid'. Ok.

May I ask you, do you do this in a random bar with strangers as well? Probably not. So, why are you doing it here?

Now, read it again. Did I provide a solution? No.

I just asked would you be happy if they solved it.

It looks like you've forgotten how to use your common sense Pino.
And RatedChaotic is right by saying that you haven't understood the issue and you're proving again that you haven't.

Say you're looking for 1 member for running daily vet. You have 3 guilds.

On vocal, you have to join guild1. Wait for people to stop talking in order to not interrupt them. Say hello and stuff. Ask if someone wants to run daily vet. Wait for answers. Have to listen to people saying why they would like to come or would not like to come. Eventually rinse and repeat for each sub-channel of guild 1. Then repeat in guild 2, then in guild 3.

On text chat, type "LF1M daily gold" in guild1 channel, copy/paste in guild2, copy/paste in guild 3. Done.

How's making switching vocal channels going to solve this better than text chat ? You cannot participate in several vocal channels at once, that's fact that cannot be changed, and you can participate in multiple text channels at once.

a.skelton92

PinoZino wrote: »

aldyftb wrote: »

Guys, you're seriously wasting your time argueing with pino, its not that he doesnt understand, he just doesnt want to. He's always gonna keep coming back with some crap that has nothing to do with the discussion. We've pretty much countered everything he's come up with, yet still keeps going. He doesnt want text chat, we aint gonna convince him otherwise.

Since when are you the spokesman of the entire community?

Who granted you with that authority?

Are you aware that many people share my view?

*** knows why they share the same views.

Can you explain why your arguing against something that can be toggled off? It would not effect you if you did not want it to. Simple. YOU, could still use voice chat if you wanted to, or turn both forms of communication off entirely if you did not want to communicate with anyone.

The fact that you are contesting the implementation of text chat despite being given the tools to turn it off allows me to come to the conclusion that you; just argue for the sake of arguing and do not REALLY have any REAL reason to oppose it.

PinoZino

aldyftb wrote: »

No authority here, merely making an observation.

since when are you the spokeman of the entire community

Kettle calling pot black....come on pino....

Unlike you, I don't use my voice to represent the entire forum community.

But I certainly use my voice to represent my own. Maybe, you don't like it, but that's your problem.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Define "many", LOL.

99,9998765% of the usability professionals.

I'm in good company, thank you.

And just how many of those numbers share your views on the topic of this thread?

Deflecting the question again pino?

aldyftb

Lol, speak sense man.

Tommy1979AtWar

You're all wasting your time, he fully understands but is simply baiting people in an effort to have the thread closed, not a single post from him out of the dozens in this thread alone have been constructive so the best thing to do is heed the mods advice and simply ignore his trolling.

aldyftb

Tommy, who made you the voice of authority

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Define "many", LOL.

99,9998765% of the usability professionals.

I'm in good company, thank you.

Oh, those ! :-) Well I'd like to have them testify that in here ;-) I also could pretend half the world agrees with me, problem is, half the world is not in here.

You've proven on various occasions that you don't understand the requirement behind the demand because you don't know how and why people use voice chat and text chat in the game. You said yourself you don't use either of them on any platform and limit yourself to using mail and forum systems. Your fellow "professionals" wouldn't understand the requirement either.

You're doing exactly what you blame on others : thinking that your way of using things would be the best for everyone.

PinoZino

a.skelton92 wrote: »

*** knows why they share the same views.

Can you explain why your arguing against something that can be toggled off? It would not effect you if you did not want it to. Simple. YOU, could still use voice chat if you wanted to, or turn both forms of communication off entirely if you did not want to communicate with anyone.

The fact that you are contesting the implementation of text chat despite being given the tools to turn it off allows me to come to the conclusion that you; just argue for the sake of arguing and do not REALLY have any REAL reason to oppose it.

I already explained that a few times.

• Why would they not improve the existing communicating tools first?
• Later, why would they not work on functionality that serves more people instead a small 'elite' in specific conditions?
• Given the context, are there not better solutions available?

Why should I turn off a bad feature? Bad features are bad features. I shouldn't turn them off. They shouldn't exist.

And you know what? It doesn't exist in ESO. Good for us.

But nooooo, we had TextChat on PC, so we are trapped like rabbits in the headlights of TextChat.

It worked in that environment. So it should work in another world as well.

Yes, sure. Dream on.