Console players how do you feel about having no txt chat?

Asherons_Call

PinoZino wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

So how exactly does this in-game forum work then? Lets just use his last 3 examples-

A random unknown to him player is sitting in front of a dungeon across the map somewhere, wants to let people know he is LFG.
Another random unknown to him player on the other side of the map wants to call for help at a dolmen.
How do they do this with your in-game forum idea?
And how is he able to view this in game forum to see their calls, while he is doing things in the open world?

You can't fix that with a forum alone.

A forum is very nice for Guild issues.

Looking for some people to explore the world? Cry on your forum.
Want to sell or buy something not available in the store? Cry on your forum.
You want to discuss a tactic to kill some strong boss? Cry on your forum.

I'm wondering why we can't easily mail a random person. We can, but it's not easy.

Currently it is working more or less like this:

• You have to check the PSN
• Go into your menu
• Rather deep hidden in the menu you can find the functionality to mail
• Next you have to enter the PSN or you search in a list
• Enter a subject
• And now you can finally create your message.

At that time, probably you are already death or the person you want to speak already left.

It could be much easier.

• Click person
• a menu appears (it already does)
• select 'Send Mail'
• Create message or select one of the 10 predefined messages - user created or hardcoded (you should test!)

Simple and elegant.

I don't know why you should see the messages of a random person not nearby. How will you manage that when hundreds of people are in the area? You can't fix that with TextChat as well.

Better communicating tools is not about providing a forum alone.

"It could be much easier.

• Click person
• a menu appears (it already does)
• select 'Send Mail'
• Create message or select one of the 10 predefined messages - user created or hardcoded (you should test!)

Simple and elegant."

That is simple an elegant? How about this:

*press enter to open up chat
* type "hey let's group"
* Press enter again

You overthink things. This is not such a conundrum to mankind as you make it out to be.

Elsonso

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this little nugget of info here for you to try and disprove: there's a reason why wheels are round and are still round to this day ie; if it works it works so why try and reinvent the wheel.

If the world was filled with devices that only needed wheels, we would be in great shape and a lot of companies would not need an R&D budget.

Sadly, we are not in that world. History is filled with things we no longer use that worked perfectly fine at the time they went out of use. Something came along that worked better.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

What's it got to do with the wheel being round for a reason ?
Do you mean that wheels are still round because humanbeings are scared of innovation, and if we weren't scared, the wheel would be squared, or triangled ?

If you want people to remain polite you'd better come up with more on-topic arguments really.

Back to topic : how should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ? (Thank you for answering this question and not derail into your neverending "my-life-as-an-expert").

A lot. Imagine, there's a wheel system that's better. Do you really expect people would accept it immediately?

No, they don't.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I think you need to give people more credit man.

And how can we fix humans their cognitive capacities and limits?
I'm all ears when you have a solution.

You, you probably play the game every day. At least a lot or you probably did.
So, I really do understand your view.

But you assume that Johnny, who's playing the game once a month, could do what you are doing.
But he can't. He will forget commands and best case he will forget them partly.

At that moment you created a threshold for Johnny. The idea is to minimize the thresholds as much as possible.
The game isn't designed for your type of players alone, but also for the Johnnies. At least it should.

And that's why a command system is maybe (and I'm even not sure) nice for you, but not for Johnny.

Again give Johnny the credit he deserves, just because he maybe forgot it once doesn't mean it's gone forever and Johnny can't relearn it. Factor in doing something over and over and it becomes muscle memory.

Poor ol Johnny is now very upset at being called stupid.

-disclaimer " last part was intended to be humorous and no johnnies were actually hurt in any way "

BalticBlues

BalticBlues wrote: »

The missing text chat is a pain in the ****
if you are having lots of friends and guilds.

- the ingame messager is unusable (10 min delays)
- you only can have ONE voice chat for ALL your friends/guilds. This DOES NOT WORK!
- therefore we constantly have to leave the program to use PS4 text messaging.

The more you get connected with people, there more you find yourself constantly switching between ESO and PS4 text messaging because ESO has no text chat. THIS SUCKS.

ZOS, please give us a professional text chat window for all our friends/guilds.

PinoZino wrote: »

We are hardcoded to be afraid and be suspicious for new things.
Look we are more or less a bit civilized since 10.000 years (and some would argue we are still primitive)

PLEASE STOP THE NONSENSE POSTS IN THIS THREAD, PINO
We are not apes who need you to explain modern technology to us.

We are modern gamers, and we use voice chat in battle.
But voice chat only can handle ONE CHANNEL AT A TIME.
Having over a dozens of friends and using many guilds
WE NEED PARALLEL MULTI-CHANNEL CHAT, and this is only possible with text chat.

Example:
When doing PVP in Cyrodiil, of course we use a voice chat channel.
If one of PVE guild then needs a healer during this time,
they now have to send PS4 messages to ALL online guild healers.
These guys then have to leave ESO to read the invitation.THIS SUCKS.
WE NEED a multi-channel text chat where the guild just can post a single line,
for example, "need healer for DSA".
This is so easy to do on PC, why do we have to live in communication-stone age on consoles?

We need ZOS to take care of the problem.
PC users want the controller interface from console and will receive it,
and we console users need a text chat interface as the PC guys, so please do something, ZOS.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

If they come up with as few, non-developed or just plain non-existent concepts as you do, it's pretty normal that they're not heard

May I repeat the question ?

How should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ?

I don't know the answer Anita. If you expect I've a solution for all and everything and ready in 2 minutes, well then I've to disappoint you.

I've maybe to think about this specific issue.

But most other issues can be fixed with a better mail system, better (some will say 'working') groupfinder, improved VoiceChat and an in-game private forum.

Also communicating with strangers can be fixed fast.

I'm just a bit puzzled how to talk with groups of strangers.

First you have to analyze if the bulk of the players need that requirement or just a specific small group.
Maybe that group isn’t significant at all and then you can give it a low priority or even delete the requirement request.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

What's it got to do with the wheel being round for a reason ?
Do you mean that wheels are still round because humanbeings are scared of innovation, and if we weren't scared, the wheel would be squared, or triangled ?

If you want people to remain polite you'd better come up with more on-topic arguments really.

Back to topic : how should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ? (Thank you for answering this question and not derail into your neverending "my-life-as-an-expert").

A lot. Imagine, there's a wheel system that's better. Do you really expect people would accept it immediately?

No, they don't.

So if people weren't so blatantly closed to innovation there would be new wheels and those would be square. Fine.

Still looking for an answer to my question : how should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ? how should people communicate through multiple channels (guild 1, guild 2, individual whispers...) in a way that would be better than text chat ?

Riga_Mortis

lordrichter wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this little nugget of info here for you to try and disprove: there's a reason why wheels are round and are still round to this day ie; if it works it works so why try and reinvent the wheel.

If the world was filled with devices that only needed wheels, we would be in great shape and a lot of companies would not need an R&D budget.

Sadly, we are not in that world. History is filled with things we no longer use that worked perfectly fine at the time they went out of use. Something came along that worked better.

Something should always come along that works better, innovation and progress basically demand it.

But when it comes to the wheel being the most widely used design for land based travel, it's still the best we have after God knows how many years.
Other design workarounds such as hovercraft (air), tank (tracks) etc are not standard for a reason. I'm just trying to suggest that when it comes to mmos then text chat is the best we have at this moment, just not in ESO.

Elsonso

BalticBlues wrote: »

We are modern gamers, and we use voice chat in battle.
But voice chat only can handle ONE CHANNEL AT A TIME.
Having over a dozens of friends and using many guilds
WE NEED PARALLEL MULTI-CHANNEL CHAT, and this is only possible with text chat.

We have this problem, and we need ZOS to take care of the problem.
PC users want the controller interface from console and will receive it,
and we console users need a text chat interface as the PC guys, so please do something, ZOS.

ZOS will not be the ones to solve this problem, but ultimately, this problem will either be solved or it will simply cease to be a problem that people care about solving.

ZOS will put text chat into the game, or just leave things as they are. ZOS is not the company to revolutionize how voice chat is used in MMO games. That day is coming, but it will be done by someone else.

I also want to add that a controller interface is the natural upgrade from the keyboard interface for gaming. It is no surprise that players will want to move to a controller to play games, even on the PC.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Again give Johnny the credit he deserves, just because he maybe forgot it once doesn't mean it's gone forever and Johnny can't relearn it. Factor in doing something over and over and it becomes muscle memory.

Poor ol Johnny is now very upset at being called stupid.

-disclaimer " last part was intended to be humorous and no johnnies were actually hurt in any way "

Johnny isn't stupid. Johnny is just a human with limits. Just like you and me.

But you certainly can support Johnny by being aware of his limits.

PinoZino

Asherons_Call wrote: »

*press enter to open up chat
* type "hey let's group"
* Press enter again

You overthink things. This is not such a conundrum to mankind as you make it out to be.

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

And you didn't read it well. We wanted to communicate, in this case, with one person, not with a group.

You can go back to your drawing table.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

So if people weren't so blatantly closed to innovation there would be new wheels and those would be square. Fine.

Still looking for an answer to my question : how should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ? how should people communicate through multiple channels (guild 1, guild 2, individual whispers...) in a way that would be better than text chat ?

The innovation has to be sold to the minds of the people. And sometimes it can take years even decades before it happens.

Sometimes it fails. Not because the new idea, concept, product or service was bad, but because it was too early.

Riga_Mortis

PinoZino wrote: »

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Again give Johnny the credit he deserves, just because he maybe forgot it once doesn't mean it's gone forever and Johnny can't relearn it. Factor in doing something over and over and it becomes muscle memory.

Poor ol Johnny is now very upset at being called stupid.

-disclaimer " last part was intended to be humorous and no johnnies were actually hurt in any way "

Johnny isn't stupid. Johnny is just a human with limits. Just like you and me.

But you certainly can support Johnny by being aware of his limits.

Johnny says did you miss the part about Johnny being upset as humorous?

BalticBlues

PinoZino wrote: »

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

Sony officially supports keyboards for PS4 messaging.
If you do not want to use a PS4 keyboard, or camera, or motion controller, it is fine.
These things are optional. The people who NEED it, can buy it.

If YOU do not need text chat because you play alone it is fine.
EVERYBODY else who is serious about MMOs buys a keyboard for 20-50 bucks.
And EVEN YOU, who do not want to use a keyboard, can read what others people type.
So what is YOUR problem about the people who NEED multi-channel text chat?

bryanhaas

bedlom wrote: »

I know it has been brought up to death and with good reason, we really, really need an optional chat window just like the PC version.

I mean all other console mmo's have one and there still doing ok because they have an in game community, something ESO is lacking IMO and I blame no chat box.

I am tired of spending near or over an hour waiting outside a dungeon or near a world boss, when! I played on PC for a year and got all this stuff done quick and its because of the chat box.

VC is not good for this kind suff and I am expecting alot from these upcoming group findet changes, although i feel it will not be enough.

It is a simple thing to add and aslong as its easy to hide then what is the problem ZOS?

I would love to be able to spent hours in game waiting for groups but I just do not have that time anymore unfortunately, so can we please have this essential piece of what makes a real MMO come to life, because at the moment its just not the same in a very depressing way IMO.

Hopefuly zos you come through on this soon I hope.

Personally I would probably never use it, hooking a keyboard hooked to my PS4 seems like a pita. Also there are 2 USB ports (stupid *** idea I mean really Sony? WTH) in one I have my wireless headset dongle connected to the other is charging a controller. I could always plug the controller into my laptop but the whole thing seems like a hassle. Although if they were to implement and I could hide it then I don't really give 2 *** what they do. Seeing gold sellers popping up at the bottom of the screen like FF14 is annoying but as long as i can hide or block certain people then I am fine with it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

So if people weren't so blatantly closed to innovation there would be new wheels and those would be square. Fine.

Still looking for an answer to my question : how should people on consoles communicate the way they can with zone / area chat in a way that would be better than text chat ? how should people communicate through multiple channels (guild 1, guild 2, individual whispers...) in a way that would be better than text chat ?

The innovation has to be sold to the minds of the people. And sometimes it can take years even decades before it happens.

Sometimes it fails. Not because the new idea, concept, product or service was bad, but because it was too early.

And where's the answer to my question ?

anitajoneb17_ESO

PinoZino wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

*press enter to open up chat
* type "hey let's group"
* Press enter again

You overthink things. This is not such a conundrum to mankind as you make it out to be.

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

And you didn't read it well. We wanted to communicate, in this case, with one person, not with a group.

You can go back to your drawing table.

LOL Pino you don't even know the most common situations in the game and you pretend to know what's good for it or not.

Asheron is referring to the where you see someone in the wild and whisper to that person in order to group.
That falls into the category "communicate with one person" - that's not in your guilds and not in your contact, using private contact and not proximity chat.

You can go back to your reading lessons ;-)

DenMoria

I don't to talk, let alone listen, to any of you.

I'm not even going to wear my headphones and I'm turning off all the sound.

I'll just listen to some Pixies and play by myself.

PinoZino

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Johnny says did you miss the part about Johnny being upset as humorous?

Computer says: humour is overrated.

BalticBlues

bryanhaas wrote: »

Personally I would probably never use it, hooking a keyboard hooked to my PS4 seems like a pita. Also there are 2 USB ports (stupid *** idea I mean really Sony? WTH) in one I have my wireless headset dongle connected to the other is charging a controller.

@bryanhaas
A wireless Bluetooth keyboard works nicely without any cable, dongle etc.
A Bluetooth keyboard even can handle a PS3 (via USB dongle) and a PS4 (via Bluetooth).
For writing a lot of messages, you really need a keyboard, on pc as on consoles.
And the connected MMO people write a LOT of messages.

PinoZino

BalticBlues wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

Sony officially supports keyboards for PS4 messaging.
If you do not want to use a PS4 keyboard, or camera, or motion controller, it is fine.
These things are optional. The people who NEED it, can buy it.

If YOU do not need text chat because you play alone it is fine.
EVERYBODY else who is serious about MMOs buys a keyboard for 20-50 bucks.
And EVEN YOU, who do not want to use a keyboard, can read what others people type.
So what is YOUR problem about the people who NEED multi-channel text chat?

I already do use a keyboard in ESO on PS4.

We don't know if the people need TextChat, some say they want it.

Doesn't mean we all need it, it even doesn't mean the demanders need it.

Don't mix want with need.

Tommy1979AtWar

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PinoZino wrote: »

Asherons_Call wrote: »

*press enter to open up chat
* type "hey let's group"
* Press enter again

You overthink things. This is not such a conundrum to mankind as you make it out to be.

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

And you didn't read it well. We wanted to communicate, in this case, with one person, not with a group.

You can go back to your drawing table.

The enter key is R2 whilst using your controller Pino or funnily enough it's actually the enter key on whichever keyboard you have attached... hope that helped, you can go back to counting to potato now.

PinoZino

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

LOL Pino you don't even know the most common situations in the game and you pretend to know what's good for it or not.

Asheron is referring to the where you see someone in the wild and whisper to that person in order to group.
That falls into the category "communicate with one person" - that's not in your guilds and not in your contact, using private contact and not proximity chat.

You can go back to your reading lessons ;-)

We were talking about talking to 1 single strange player.

He comes up with...

*press enter to open up chat
* type "hey let's group"
* Press enter again

How can you chat with 1 single strange player when there are more strangers around and you didn't point or select a specific stranger?

Or you have a general area or group chat screen or you select a specific person first.

Since he didn't select a specific person, it has to be a general area or group chat.

BalticBlues

PinoZino wrote: »

We don't know if the people need TextChat.
...
Don't mix want with need.

WE understand that YOU do not need TextChat.
Don't mix what you don't need with what we need.

All connected people need multi-channel communication, because they have many ESO friends and guilds to communicate at the same time. ONE voice channel just cannot handle this.

What would you say a about a smartphone that only can do voice chat?
All multi-channel communication - SMS - WhatsUp - Spotify - etc. gone?
Single channel voice communication is not good enough anymore in a connected world.

Speaking to Pino about multi-channel MMO communication is like speaking about multi-colors to a blind man. He just does not get what it is about. And because he lives in communication darkness, he wants all other people to live in darkness too.

PinoZino

BalticBlues wrote: »

PinoZino wrote: »

Can you show me the enter key on my PS4?

Sony officially supports keyboards for PS4 messaging.
If you do not want to use a PS4 keyboard, or camera, or motion controller, it is fine.
These things are optional. The people who NEED it, can buy it.

If YOU do not need text chat because you play alone it is fine.
EVERYBODY else who is serious about MMOs buys a keyboard for 20-50 bucks.
And EVEN YOU, who do not want to use a keyboard, can read what others people type.
So what is YOUR problem about the people who NEED multi-channel text chat?

So where's the Enter key when you don't have a keyboard?

bryanhaas

BalticBlues wrote: »

bryanhaas wrote: »

Personally I would probably never use it, hooking a keyboard hooked to my PS4 seems like a pita. Also there are 2 USB ports (stupid *** idea I mean really Sony? WTH) in one I have my wireless headset dongle connected to the other is charging a controller.

@bryanhaas
A wireless Bluetooth keyboard works nicely without any cable, dongle etc.
A Bluetooth keyboard even can handle a PS3 (via USB dongle) and a PS4 (via Bluetooth).
For writing a lot of messages, you really need a keyboard, on pc as on consoles.
And the connected MMO people write a LOT of messages.

I am not going to be buying a wireless keyboard though, it may work just fine but I have a headset so don't see the point in putting down my controller to use a keyboard that just seems inefficient. If on PC text chat is available and works fine then why not play on PC? I truly do not understand that. The thread was posted as what are your opinions and that is mine not to diminish yours.

Tommy1979AtWar

PinoZino wrote: »

So where's the Enter key when you don't have a keyboard?

I've just told you... it's R2 on your controller

PinoZino

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

The enter key is R2 whilst using your controller Pino or funnily enough it's actually the enter key on whichever keyboard you have attached... hope that helped, you can go back to counting to potato now.

R2 is already used for something else. What now?

Lunerdog

Pino...


Text chat being in the game with the ability to easily turn it on or off would not affect your gameplay experience whatsoever.



So whats your beef ?

DenMoria

bryanhaas wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

bryanhaas wrote: »

Personally I would probably never use it, hooking a keyboard hooked to my PS4 seems like a pita. Also there are 2 USB ports (stupid *** idea I mean really Sony? WTH) in one I have my wireless headset dongle connected to the other is charging a controller.

@bryanhaas
A wireless Bluetooth keyboard works nicely without any cable, dongle etc.
A Bluetooth keyboard even can handle a PS3 (via USB dongle) and a PS4 (via Bluetooth).
For writing a lot of messages, you really need a keyboard, on pc as on consoles.
And the connected MMO people write a LOT of messages.

I am not going to be buying a wireless keyboard though, it may work just fine but I have a headset so don't see the point in putting down my controller to use a keyboard that just seems inefficient. If on PC text chat is available and works fine then why not play on PC? I truly do not understand that. The thread was posted as what are your opinions and that is mine not to diminish yours.

Because, apparently, many of us find the sound of your (and other's) voices incredibly annoying and we don't want to hear them. We want to remain completely anonymous through text and not risk anyone hearing our horrible voices (mine sounds like a cross between Fran Drescher (the Nanny) and Martin Short as the Church Lady - I think you can see my point).