The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

Teargrants

Jules wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

My heart.

Don't worry Juies, there's class specific leaderboards. You can strive to be the best of the worst.

Mrs_Quietus

Teargrants wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

There is no hope for DKs. Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/cx67g75

@Wrobel wants to increase the dot duration of the skills. But if he doesnt increase the damage we will have ticks with less damage than now. It will be a nerf not a buff. Even if they increase the damage, the DoTs in the current state are useless. It will buff DKs only in PvE and not in PvP.

OMG that is so awful and clearly out of touch, I can't even.

ZOS_eWrobel 18 points 3 days ago
Overall we're looking at buffing some of the less used ability morphs.
DK - We're looking at making their dots stick to targets longer. Templar - Increasing effectiveness of some of their damage abilities. Sorcerer - Making more active abilities instead of toggles. Nightblade - Morph and passive ability improvements.

- Because DKs just need longer dots that get purged off anyways?
- Because Templars just need more dmg, not an unbugged gap closer?
- Because Sorcs just need non toggled pets?
- Because NB passives aren't good enough?

What a joke.

Agreed. Templar damage is fine if you build right for it. Templar just needs their CC to be reworked so they actually lines up and makes sense. For example, for magic, toppling charge into puncturing sweeps makes no sense. Maybe fix how buggy toppling is pretty plz? Also, class based mobility just like DKs lack.

I also think NB passives are fine. Maybe buff magic dmg a teensie bit? As to not relay on proxi det so much as for a burst.

And poor dks....buff dots??? Makes me smh as a templar and nb since i can use class abilities on both toons (purify and cloak) to counter an entire build based on dots using one button.

P.S. Bring back blinding flashes!!!! ;D

Draxys

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

looooooooool

Teargrants

Mrs_Quietus wrote: »

And poor dks....buff dots??? Makes me smh as a templar and nb since i can use class abilities on both toons (purify and cloak) to counter an entire build based on dots using one button.

But....have you perhaps thought about getting gud instead?

Cinbri

Teargrants wrote: »

ZOS_eWrobel 18 points 3 days ago
Overall we're looking at buffing some of the less used ability morphs.
DK - We're looking at making their dots stick to targets longer. Templar - Increasing effectiveness of some of their damage abilities. Sorcerer - Making more active abilities instead of toggles. Nightblade - Morph and passive ability improvements.

Hm, pvp templars lack of everything and worst at everything except healing. Seems ZOS just refusing to understand this

Aldazar

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

So did they say what DK is supposed to be good at? I would be surprised if they had a clear outline what they want every class to be like. This feels more like the usual l2p forum comment....

blabafat

Mrs_Quietus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

There is no hope for DKs. Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/cx67g75

@Wrobel wants to increase the dot duration of the skills. But if he doesnt increase the damage we will have ticks with less damage than now. It will be a nerf not a buff. Even if they increase the damage, the DoTs in the current state are useless. It will buff DKs only in PvE and not in PvP.

OMG that is so awful and clearly out of touch, I can't even.

ZOS_eWrobel 18 points 3 days ago
Overall we're looking at buffing some of the less used ability morphs.
DK - We're looking at making their dots stick to targets longer. Templar - Increasing effectiveness of some of their damage abilities. Sorcerer - Making more active abilities instead of toggles. Nightblade - Morph and passive ability improvements.

- Because DKs just need longer dots that get purged off anyways?
- Because Templars just need more dmg, not an unbugged gap closer?
- Because Sorcs just need non toggled pets?
- Because NB passives aren't good enough?

What a joke.

Agreed. Templar damage is fine if you build right for it. Templar just needs their CC to be reworked so they actually lines up and makes sense. For example, for magic, toppling charge into puncturing sweeps makes no sense. Maybe fix how buggy toppling is pretty plz? Also, class based mobility just like DKs lack.

I also think NB passives are fine. Maybe buff magic dmg a teensie bit? As to not relay on proxi det so much as for a burst.

And poor dks....buff dots??? Makes me smh as a templar and nb since i can use class abilities on both toons (purify and cloak) to counter an entire build based on dots using one button.

P.S. Bring back blinding flashes!!!! ;D

Spoken like a wise woman as always Lyric

Psilent

Bashev wrote: »

There is no hope for DKs. Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/cx67g75

@Wrobel wants to increase the dot duration of the skills. But if he doesnt increase the damage we will have ticks with less damage than now. It will be a nerf not a buff. Even if they increase the damage, the DoTs in the current state are useless. It will buff DKs only in PvE and not in PvP.

Read this last week; felt my dream of playing Magicka DK was over. Changed my DK over to Stamina and one shot some poor soul with Taking Flight. Looks like I'll be a Stamknight for awhile.

I really don't see the advantage of longer dots for pvp. Unless he means they can't be purged??

Bashev

Psilent wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

There is no hope for DKs. Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/cx67g75

@Wrobel wants to increase the dot duration of the skills. But if he doesnt increase the damage we will have ticks with less damage than now. It will be a nerf not a buff. Even if they increase the damage, the DoTs in the current state are useless. It will buff DKs only in PvE and not in PvP.

Read this last week; felt my dream of playing Magicka DK was over. Changed my DK over to Stamina and one shot some poor soul with Taking Flight. Looks like I'll be a Stamknight for awhile.

I really don't see the advantage of longer dots for pvp. Unless he means they can't be purged??

Magicka DKs are lacking survivability. They need it because they do not have any mobility.

Morozov

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

@ZOS_eWrobel so what am I supposed to do with my DK exactly? I buy new content and there is a part in it for the solo player, but because of mechanics I have no control over it gets limited on how I can play said content?!? Which I paid for?!?

So I am pigeon-holed into playing a different class to be able to take advantage of content I've paid for? without the ability to decide which parts of the content I would like to pay for.

I get that not all classes are supposed to be "tanks" or "healers" or whatever....but to make it near impossible for a class to take part in a paid-for portion of the game.

Am I just worrying for no reason? are all the good DK's on the EU servers? does NA not have any good DK's on it or is this class really just a farm/craft toon-class now?

Armitas

I can't tell what he means... Stick longer before they are purged or increased duration. The stick part makes me think its a purge response.

Joy_Division

I think Eric Wrobel is under the impression that if a DoT has a longer duration, then that will make the skill desirable and effective. This was what ZoS gave us for Wall of Elements and looks to be their solution for DKs. What I'm not sure he or the combat team realizes that PvP is (now) all about burst and survivability that comes from mobility/escape.

Moglijuana

Jules wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

My heart.

Spacemonkey

So my understanding is that DK just got served what Templars got 6 months after launch.

When are NBs and Sorcs getting nerfed to rebalance the whole thing?

Teargrants

Spacemonkey wrote: »

So my understanding is that DK just got served what Templars got 6 months after launch.

When are NBs and Sorcs getting nerfed to rebalance the whole thing?

I'm sorry? Bolt Escape has infinite stacking cost now. Show me another skill in the game penalized as strictly.

Mrs_Quietus

blabafat wrote: »

Mrs_Quietus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

There is no hope for DKs. Source --> https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/3thlqh/welcome_to_the_elder_scrolls_online_orsinium_aua/cx67g75

@Wrobel wants to increase the dot duration of the skills. But if he doesnt increase the damage we will have ticks with less damage than now. It will be a nerf not a buff. Even if they increase the damage, the DoTs in the current state are useless. It will buff DKs only in PvE and not in PvP.

OMG that is so awful and clearly out of touch, I can't even.

ZOS_eWrobel 18 points 3 days ago
Overall we're looking at buffing some of the less used ability morphs.
DK - We're looking at making their dots stick to targets longer. Templar - Increasing effectiveness of some of their damage abilities. Sorcerer - Making more active abilities instead of toggles. Nightblade - Morph and passive ability improvements.

- Because DKs just need longer dots that get purged off anyways?
- Because Templars just need more dmg, not an unbugged gap closer?
- Because Sorcs just need non toggled pets?
- Because NB passives aren't good enough?

What a joke.

Agreed. Templar damage is fine if you build right for it. Templar just needs their CC to be reworked so they actually lines up and makes sense. For example, for magic, toppling charge into puncturing sweeps makes no sense. Maybe fix how buggy toppling is pretty plz? Also, class based mobility just like DKs lack.

I also think NB passives are fine. Maybe buff magic dmg a teensie bit? As to not relay on proxi det so much as for a burst.

And poor dks....buff dots??? Makes me smh as a templar and nb since i can use class abilities on both toons (purify and cloak) to counter an entire build based on dots using one button.

P.S. Bring back blinding flashes!!!! ;D

Spoken like a wise woman as always Lyric

Thank you dear

Jules

Morozov wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

@ZOS_eWrobel so what am I supposed to do with my DK exactly? I buy new content and there is a part in it for the solo player, but because of mechanics I have no control over it gets limited on how I can play said content?!? Which I paid for?!?

So I am pigeon-holed into playing a different class to be able to take advantage of content I've paid for? without the ability to decide which parts of the content I would like to pay for.

I get that not all classes are supposed to be "tanks" or "healers" or whatever....but to make it near impossible for a class to take part in a paid-for portion of the game.

Am I just worrying for no reason? are all the good DK's on the EU servers? does NA not have any good DK's on it or is this class really just a farm/craft toon-class now?

Dk crafters are OP though.

krim

Jules wrote: »

Morozov wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

@ZOS_eWrobel so what am I supposed to do with my DK exactly? I buy new content and there is a part in it for the solo player, but because of mechanics I have no control over it gets limited on how I can play said content?!? Which I paid for?!?

So I am pigeon-holed into playing a different class to be able to take advantage of content I've paid for? without the ability to decide which parts of the content I would like to pay for.

I get that not all classes are supposed to be "tanks" or "healers" or whatever....but to make it near impossible for a class to take part in a paid-for portion of the game.

Am I just worrying for no reason? are all the good DK's on the EU servers? does NA not have any good DK's on it or is this class really just a farm/craft toon-class now?

Dk crafters are OP though.

ROFL

Xsorus

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

This would make sense; if dks got better reward then say sorcs do....but since there is no difference between the leaderboards it makes no sense. Why would anyone choose to play a harder mode for equal rewards to easy mode.

riverdragon72

I shouldn't have read this thread, I am now more pissed off than when I came looking.

Millerman34n

Zos please buff the dk damage!!!!

eliisra

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

WoW. I cant believe I just read that. So class balance doesn't matter when it comes to individual strength and solo capacity, because different? Maybe inform players about that already at character creation than? "Does not perform as well in a solo situation".

Imagine a developer from a more established/older MMORPG answering like that? I mean, it's so clumsy, would never happened. Individual strength or solo'ing, as well as performing different roles, is the very core of class balance. Especially in games where BiS gear/weapons comes from solo challenges. Everyone knows that, besides apparently Wrobel.

DUTCH_REAPER

I got one of them there DK crafters

Xsorus

Tyr

eliisra wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

WoW. I cant believe I just read that. So class balance doesn't matter when it comes to individual strength and solo capacity, because different? Maybe inform players about that already at character creation than? "Does not perform as well in a solo situation".

Imagine a developer from a more established/older MMORPG answering like that? I mean, it's so clumsy, would never happened. Individual strength or solo'ing, as well as performing different roles, is the very core of class balance. Especially in games where BiS gear/weapons comes from solo challenges. Everyone knows that, besides apparently Wrobel.

What the hell are you talking about. There has always been class disparities in established MMO's for solo content.

Priests in WoW were always *** for solo questing and everyone accepted that because end-game priests were far and away the best single target healers and ranged DPS.
Other classes like Warriors were always considered starter classes because they were generalists while Druids/Shaman were considered advanced classes.

So if anything there was FAR MORE disparities between the solo capabilities of classes in established MMO's.

ESO has by far fewer balance issues than WoW typically had(I don't know if that's changed since Cataclysm though.

Edit: Having said all that, there is definitely a problem with the difficulty of VET MA, because not even 100 are even capable of getting on the leaderboard for all classes.

It's pretty pointless to have a leaderboard where just completing the arena basically guarantees you a spot.

Joy_Division

Teargrants wrote: »

Spacemonkey wrote: »

So my understanding is that DK just got served what Templars got 6 months after launch.

When are NBs and Sorcs getting nerfed to rebalance the whole thing?

I'm sorry? Bolt Escape has infinite stacking cost now. Show me another skill in the game penalized as strictly.

At least Bolt Escape does something. Go ahead and spam Radiant Aura. Literally a waste on mana if you have a tripot going

Srjon

I also agree with Jules, I also like playing the DK but after reading the post my plans have changed, I was going to level my newest DK atm she is level 44 was going to take her all the way to level v16 if the vet ranks are still around, But with all the bug's and the newest problem is the delay when in a fight ( some times it works most times I have to double click and some times it stop's working ) in the middle of a fight.
I am about to drop TESO and find a new game to play now is a good time to check out other game's like the "Pillars of Eternity" and The Witcher 3.
I have been playing this game for almost one year and I am still researching for the traits, My sub runs out soon and I wont be renewing it.
I am throwing the towel in.

Tower_Of_Shame

Srjon wrote: »

I also agree with Jules, I also like playing the DK but after reading the post my plans have changed, I was going to level my newest DK atm she is level 44 was going to take her all the way to level v16 if the vet ranks are still around, But with all the bug's and the newest problem is the delay when in a fight ( some times it works most times I have to double click and some times it stop's working ) in the middle of a fight.
I am about to drop TESO and find a new game to play now is a good time to check out other game's like the "Pillars of Eternity" and The Witcher 3.
I have been playing this game for almost one year and I am still researching for the traits, My sub runs out soon and I wont be renewing it.
I am throwing the towel in.

krim

Tyr wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

It just keeps getting better.

WoW. I cant believe I just read that. So class balance doesn't matter when it comes to individual strength and solo capacity, because different? Maybe inform players about that already at character creation than? "Does not perform as well in a solo situation".

Imagine a developer from a more established/older MMORPG answering like that? I mean, it's so clumsy, would never happened. Individual strength or solo'ing, as well as performing different roles, is the very core of class balance. Especially in games where BiS gear/weapons comes from solo challenges. Everyone knows that, besides apparently Wrobel.

What the hell are you talking about. There has always been class disparities in established MMO's for solo content.

Priests in WoW were always *** for solo questing and everyone accepted that because end-game priests were far and away the best single target healers and ranged DPS.
Other classes like Warriors were always considered starter classes because they were generalists while Druids/Shaman were considered advanced classes.

So if anything there was FAR MORE disparities between the solo capabilities of classes in established MMO's.

ESO has by far fewer balance issues than WoW typically had(I don't know if that's changed since Cataclysm though.

Edit: Having said all that, there is definitely a problem with the difficulty of VET MA, because not even 100 are even capable of getting on the leaderboard for all classes.

It's pretty pointless to have a leaderboard where just completing the arena basically guarantees you a spot.

If you specced in the shadow tree lvling up you did fine. I believe most of the balance that comes with ESO has to do with half the skills being available to all classes. Where ZENI goofed was changing the mechanics to begin with and completely trashing what they built. Leaving classes designed for certain scenarios now left out to dry because of complete meta change. Example being DK with a bunch of useless skills no gap closer etc etc.

Edgar_Baerland

@Jules

beautiful post, well thought out. I don't play DK seriously but I can't stand how bad they declawed the class. I remember the DK OP OMG WTF days, and I'd prefer that to this. As much as I feel templars need SERIOUS help (there's basically one offensive build and the rest is just wet noodling people) after reading this and generally just never seeing DKs in PVP anymore I truly feel for dedicated DK players, and I wish they'd be returned to glory, so to speak. I loved the challenge of playing a good DK.

I'm a Templar main through and through, but I'd way rather play against strong, challenging classes than just see the mindless NB/SORC spammers we have now. (not hating on sorcs and NBs but they are FOTM and thus there's a lot of mindless spammers out there)