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The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16
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✭✭✭✭Updated what post?Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Updated post 10/25
Thanks for putting this in there, but iirc this issue (stacking of defensive CP against certain abilities) was also brought to attention before the CP system went live. Draw your own conclusions
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✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »
I did draw my own conclusions and conduct my own tests. Hence the spreadsheet.Edited by Jules on October 25, 2015 12:22PM0 -
r.jan_emailb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »
I did draw my own conclusions and did my own tests. Hence the spreadsheet.
"Draw your own conclusions" as in: "ZOS doesn't give a *** anyway"
nice work anyway, but afraid it won't change anything. Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
playing for eXile
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✭✭r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »
I did draw my own conclusions and did my own tests. Hence the spreadsheet.
"Draw your own conclusions" as in: "ZOS doesn't give a *** anyway" nice work anyway, but afraid it won't change anything.
Oh. Yeah, you're probably right.0 -
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✭✭Thanks for the update Jules.
Still not giving up fully on Magicka DKs. My stam DK is fun but only have a total of 2 DK abilities on my bars so really it could be on any other class and probably be better.1 -
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✭✭✭✭It gets more and more disgusting what they have done to the DK, and how long it will take to do anything about it.
So we just waited half a year to get them to fix the 50% spell mitigation everyone had from nirn, now we have to wait for another half year for this. Ridiculous.Edited by Armitas on October 25, 2015 2:29PMRetired.
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✭✭✭✭Why does my whip, which hits like a giant fail, cost more than WB?Edited by Armitas on October 25, 2015 6:21PMRetired.
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✭✭You know what might spice up the classes a bit more is once you have all your class lines to 50 you talk to a "master" and when you complete this tough (and I do mean tough) quest you unlock another skill line called Master *Class name* which has maybe 3 more spells. ZoS can make the spells centered around what a class lacks or something that will improve what the class is good at.
Just an idea, doubt ZoS will do anything like this.1 -
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✭It's sad that I went from playing this game religiously for over a year, 3 hours+ a day solo PVPing, to strictly logging in for raid time all because my new factions toon is a useless wet noodle in 1v1/1vX.
You ever see 2 magicka DK's go at it 1v1 lately? It's so painful to watch it's not even funny. Neither one of us can burn the other down within a 10 minute time frame
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✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
You ever see 2 magicka DK's go at it 1v1 lately? It's so painful to watch it's not even funny. Neither one of us can burn the other down within a 10 minute time frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aghdhSnMM Retired.
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IxskullzxI✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
You ever see 2 magicka DK's go at it 1v1 lately? It's so painful to watch it's not even funny. Neither one of us can burn the other down within a 10 minute time framehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aghdhSnMM
How did you get footage of my magicka dk montage?#HowDoYouLikeYourDK?0 -
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✭✭DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »
Of course. It's close to my heart bc I love my magicka DK so much. I have over 150 days played on her. Hopefully more and more evidence of the weakness of the class will help ZOS to reconsider some of these changes they've made that dwarf us.1 -
PhatGrimReaper✭✭✭✭✭spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »
You ever see 2 magicka DK's go at it 1v1 lately? It's so painful to watch it's not even funny. Neither one of us can burn the other down within a 10 minute time framehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aghdhSnMM
I guess I'm the one in the red shorts
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It's high time zos realised balance changes need to happen in incremental patches every week. Changing the numbers of a skill, like the damage/healing it does or its cost, is not something that requires additional QA testing.6 -
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It's high time zos realised balance changes need to happen in incremental patches every week. Changing the numbers of a skill, like the damage/healing it does or its cost, is not something that requires additional QA testing.
^ yes, that is how a AAA game runs. This is what we should expect to happen in any other game. Why is it only update to update with the people, and then only certain updates.Retired.
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It's high time zos realised balance changes need to happen in incremental patches every week. Changing the numbers of a skill, like the damage/healing it does or its cost, is not something that requires additional QA testing.
I completely agree. It would also leave more room open for mistakes, as they can be fixed within a short period. Instead, we only get huge changes with every major update, screwing over multiple things and then we have to live with it for quite some long time. This is not how it should work. But yeah..
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✭✭✭Bumping this, don't want to see Jule's hard work lost in the dead threads !
I agree. But I think another issue Jules has been heavily campaigning on is the overcast subject to all this, and it is that Magicka cannot keep up with Stamina. In terms of damage and of defensive options via CP.
When we establish a fine, constructive line between the two that have healthy countermeasures, I think then, we should analyse all classes.{★★★★★ · ★★★★★ · ★★ · ★★★★★}350m+ AP PC - EUAddons
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✭✭Bumping this, don't want to see Jule's hard work lost in the dead threads !Bumping this, don't want to see Jule's hard work lost in the dead threads !
I agree. But I think another issue Jules has been heavily campaigning on is the overcast subject to all this, and it is that Magicka cannot keep up with Stamina. In terms of damage and of defensive options via CP.
When we establish a fine, constructive line between the two that have healthy countermeasures, I think then, we should analyse all classes.Moglijuana wrote: »Daily Bump. Glad I got to hear someone backing up the DK on the @Sypher PVP stream. Magicka DK is STILL and probably always will be my favorite class. #Jules4prez
Appreciate these and appreciate the bump @Etaniel and @Moglijuana
I really enjoy your vids Etaniel, I think you're a great player. I also appreciate the dk love you bring to the class. But just knowing your build and your stats makes me sad tbh, when I know much higher stats are achievable on other classes. And even higher if you weigh magicka vs stamina. And it's nothing you yourself are doing wrong by any means, just the class doesn't lend itself well to min maxing anymore. As @Ghostbane pointed out, magicka just flat out cannot keep up with stamina in this patch. And admittedly, hasn't been able to since 1.6. Anything I can achieve on a magicka dk, I can do better on a magicka sorc. Anything I can achieve on a stamina dk, I can do better on a stamina NB. Across the board- damage, regen, utility, survivability--- it's just so disheartening.
DK's really need to be looked at from the ground up. Someone REALLY needs to compare them to other classes in PVP and see how they stack up. I've attempted to do it here, but I mean someone from ZOS' side. Someone with the power to change things. For instance, why does a predominantly melee class have no stamina regen passive? Why does a melee class have no gap closer to get into melee range? It's just absolutely bonkers to me how these things aren't considered.
All too often, important matters such as these end up buried on the forums and never to be looked at again. It happened with AOE caps, it will happen with magicka dk. So many Magicka dks I know have just rerolled and accepted it at this point. Even I barely get on my DK and that's awful, but true. Eventually we will see a Cyrodiil that is nothing but 3 classes, all stamina. And Templar healers spamming BOL.
With no love for dk in upcoming orsinium- we're looking at early 2016 as the absolute earliest. I'll keep talking about it and yelling as loud as I can, to as many people as I can about this issue. But even I have to admit that when your cries fall on dead ears for months on end, what are you really supposed to do?
Regardless thanks for the kind words guys.Edited by Jules on October 30, 2015 2:53PM7 -
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✭✭I think that ZoS should speak what plans they have for the magicka DKs before they start implementing the changes. We get it that they wont be able to implement them this year but they at least can design them on paper and share this info with us.Because I can!2 -
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✭I'm just glad there are people like you who can put it out there with information to back it up. I really miss my DK in pvp. I think in honor of him, I will beg some of my known DKers out there to run it with me in pvp this weekend for a few hours in remembrance. Try to get an all DK group running, with me spamming my "annoying talons" as it was described in a recent thread on the forum.
-we love you DK..sniff sniff
-ZOS..you cut me deep bruh...cut me deep.3 -
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✭✭DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »I'm just glad there are people like you who can put it out there with information to back it up. I really miss my DK in pvp. I think in honor of him, I will beg some of my known DKers out there to run it with me in pvp this weekend for a few hours in remembrance. Try to get an all DK group running, with me spamming my "annoying talons" as it was described in a recent thread on the forum.
-we love you DK..sniff sniff
-ZOS..you cut me deep bruh...cut me deep.
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✭DC. I just hit up some brothers on Chat. They are down as well to knock some dust off of their DKs. I believe the exact phrase he used was "hell yeah, we will use our wet noodles like beasts tonight!!"
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✭Alright Jules. I made a thread for our little endeavor. Let's spread the word. It's under DKs Unite!Edited by DUTCH_REAPER on October 30, 2015 3:22PM0
