The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

Galalin

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Why is dk so bad? when to dk's alone can kill friggin zergs alone.(omg i love this video)
why people whine so much about dk's and so much hate on stamina nightblade.
yes dk's have some broken ***, but lol.. just watch the video..
A stamina nightblade die after 10 sec if you fight him..so much hate:-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw

Congrats, those two have been the best DKs on the EU server for quite some time. It's really not hard to record some 1vX and post it then to create a false picture of the reality though. They are great players, but that's simply not how it works. Because great players will always be able to kill multiple enemies, if those aren't decent ones at all. Doesn't matter with which class.
I can 1vNoob as well on my magicka DK, but it wont change the fact that the DK (magicka) is massively nerfed and compared to the other classes massively underpowered at the moment.

No, that video is proof that the class might be too difficult for you now.
I am so sorry that DK is not super easy mode anymore... lol!
99% of the DK's played it when it was the easiest class in game and totally overpowered, now welcome on the other side.
I play DK for some weeks now and its an amazing class and propably the best designed class in the game.
No other class has so many options that are totally viable... friends and i tried several builds allready and almost all of them worked out just great and had amazing use for solo and group play.

Just deal with the fact that all the classes arent supposed to be the same and thats why i dropped my templar, because the supposed playstyle doesnt fit me. A DK Assassin of course is something else like a NB assassin and if people started to take detectpots i'd love to see all those super awesome 1vx nightblades die even faster than anyone else.
START using ur brains. DK's have so many unique abilities that all work along together because everything on a dk is thought out so awesome in comparison to other classes. The first days i had my dk leveled up i allready did some good 1vx stuff and wiped big zergs with 1 or 2 friends because playing other classes made me realise where the advantage of a dk is set.

Thank you.

Your saying thank you for a bunch of misinformation? I would have to assume your a PvEer and there is nothing wrong with that except the fact DKs in PvP do not perform remotely as well

DK SCRUB OUT

Darnathian

Quady wrote: »

My stamina sorc would have no problem with boosting DKs. Would like to see them more able to stay their ground.

But range vs dk = dead range
Make one range skill(not light attack) be able to go through Reflect every second, u can even give dks cc imunity on that skill.
Then u can increase number of reflected projectiles to what ever, even increase duration.

LOL. Make DKs worse? This guy. GTFO.

Quady

I dont see any nerfing there. Reflect should help you against more enemies. Not in 1v1 fights.
U cannot stand one range skill every second? What u play light armor dd dk?
How todays reflect 4 projectiles help u against 3+ range animation canceling enemies ?
think more

hammayolettuce

Quady wrote: »

I dont see any nerfing there. Reflect should help you against more enemies. Not in 1v1 fights.
U cannot stand one range skill every second? What u play light armor dd dk?
How todays reflect 4 projectiles help u against 3+ range animation canceling enemies ?
think more

It would be a nerf worse than shield breaker. No way to say if the dmg coming through is 1k or 10k .. Not a good option at all. Back to the drawing boards for you.

Quady

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Ghost-Shot

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Not really sure what you're saying, but is this a qq for another scales nerf?
If so, you must be joking...

Ghost-Shot

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

Master_Kas

This thread reminds me of 1.5 Magicka nb.

Unblockable soultether which did uber damage? When there was no CP to reduce magicka damage? YES PLZ

Ambush magicka morph (the morph that gives 20% dmg buff) ? YES PLZ

Ambush -> Empowered, unblockable soultether = Brutal.

1.5 , I miss you so

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Mumyo wrote: »

[snip]
The first days i had my dk leveled up i allready did some good 1vx stuff and wiped big zergs with 1 or 2 friends because playing other classes made me realise where the advantage of a dk is set.

Yeah sure. Go troll somewhere else

SneaK

Quady wrote: »

My stamina sorc would have no problem with boosting DKs. Would like to see them more able to stay their ground.

But range vs dk = dead range
Make one range skill(not light attack) be able to go through Reflect every second, u can even give dks cc imunity on that skill.
Then u can increase number of reflected projectiles to what ever, even increase duration.

Yea, no.

I have every character, just made a sorc. He's level 13. Got in a 1v1 against a DK that kept his scales up. Guess what, Curse > Encase > Heavy Lighting Destro > Curse > Encase > Heavy Lightning Destro

If a level 13 sorc can figure that out.......

Ghostbane

Curse > Crushing Shock > MW > Light Attack > Frag + teabag.

A fragbag.

Galalin

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument.

DK SCRUB OUT

Valindor Magnus

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

Galalin

Valindor Magnus wrote: »

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

I could be wrong but i don't think he was being sarcastic although thats aboit the only way onw could explain that comment

DK SCRUB OUT

Ghost-Shot

Galalin wrote: »

Valindor Magnus wrote: »

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

I could be wrong but i don't think he was being sarcastic although thats aboit the only way onw could explain that comment

DK SCRUB OUT

Console noob? played since PC beta and dont even own a console. And yes i was being sarcastic because Jules is actually a pretty good friend of mine and i feel the need to troll her.

Jules

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Valindor Magnus wrote: »

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

I could be wrong but i don't think he was being sarcastic although thats aboit the only way onw could explain that comment

DK SCRUB OUT

Console noob? played since PC beta and dont even own a console. And yes i was being sarcastic because Jules is actually a pretty good friend of mine and i feel the need to troll her.

Listen, DK's are touchy these days ghost. We jump on the nonbelievers with the vengeance of 1000 suns. We will not tolerate your sarcasm you troll!!!

Legedric

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Of course! Reflect is the key for a DK to move our ranged opponents out of their comfort zone. As we lack mobility, we need something like this to get them close up against us. The reflect is quite expensive, VERY LIMITED after its nerf (4 seconds for 4 projectiles) and you can counter it by timing you CC, using non-projectile ranged abilities or just waiting to dry our resorces out.

Asking for reflect to let one skill pass it every second (where is the lol button when you need it btw?) is like us asking for sorc shields to drop every second and let a skill pass through them...

Never heard such a bad idea before...

Armitas

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.

Ghost-Shot

Jules wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Valindor Magnus wrote: »

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

I could be wrong but i don't think he was being sarcastic although thats aboit the only way onw could explain that comment

DK SCRUB OUT

Console noob? played since PC beta and dont even own a console. And yes i was being sarcastic because Jules is actually a pretty good friend of mine and i feel the need to troll her.

Listen, DK's are touchy these days ghost. We jump on the nonbelievers with the vengeance of 1000 suns. We will not tolerate your sarcasm you troll!!!

I know I know, in all seriousness though fantastic thread Jules. Just couldn't pass up the opportunity lol

Ghost-Shot

Armitas wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.

Wait, you have scathing rune in your stam rotation right? Its like, the most OP.

Armitas

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.

Wait, you have scathing rune in your stam rotation right? Its like, the most OP.

I don't just have it, I slotted it so hard it's on both bars.

Ghost-Shot

Armitas wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

The class in general was hit hard. Looking back I can see those pivatol moments. I am really hoping they make some tweaks to it soon (healing/block/dps, something..anything). I shelved my 2 pvp DK V16s for the moment and hopped on the NB bandwagon. (I know...judge away I admit it but ZOS put me in this predicament

I did the same. Or atleast most nights I'm on my NB, even though I feel like a filthy traitor.
Albeit muchhhhh squishier, the ability for high damage and mobility on a NB gives everything that DK does not.

sounds like a L2P issue

L2P? I have learned to play from the very best by going straight to the source and watching every single dev play video in pvp and PvE. I will hardcast frags in your face buddy and light attack you like you wouldn't believe. I have learned to play so much and so hard from those videos that the learning could write its own books about learning and then teach other books how to play.

Wait, you have scathing rune in your stam rotation right? Its like, the most OP.

I don't just have it, I slotted it so hard it's on both bars.

Casual. Should be in at least 5 slots.

Alcast

Legedric wrote: »

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Of course! Reflect is the key for a DK to move our ranged opponents out of their comfort zone. As we lack mobility, we need something like this to get them close up against us. The reflect is quite expensive, VERY LIMITED after its nerf (4 seconds for 4 projectiles) and you can counter it by timing you CC, using non-projectile ranged abilities or just waiting to dry our resorces out.

Asking for reflect to let one skill pass it every second (where is the lol button when you need it btw?) is like us asking for sorc shields to drop every second and let a skill pass through them...

Never heard such a bad idea before...

I spam wings like sorc spam shields.

Armitas

I think Lorkhan must have been an Imperial DK.

frozywozy

Mumyo wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Lifecode666 wrote: »

Why is dk so bad? when to dk's alone can kill friggin zergs alone.(omg i love this video)
why people whine so much about dk's and so much hate on stamina nightblade.
yes dk's have some broken ***, but lol.. just watch the video..
A stamina nightblade die after 10 sec if you fight him..so much hate:-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw

Congrats, those two have been the best DKs on the EU server for quite some time. It's really not hard to record some 1vX and post it then to create a false picture of the reality though. They are great players, but that's simply not how it works. Because great players will always be able to kill multiple enemies, if those aren't decent ones at all. Doesn't matter with which class.
I can 1vNoob as well on my magicka DK, but it wont change the fact that the DK (magicka) is massively nerfed and compared to the other classes massively underpowered at the moment.

No, that video is proof that the class might be too difficult for you now.
I am so sorry that DK is not super easy mode anymore... lol!
99% of the DK's played it when it was the easiest class in game and totally overpowered, now welcome on the other side.
I play DK for some weeks now and its an amazing class and propably the best designed class in the game.
No other class has so many options that are totally viable... friends and i tried several builds allready and almost all of them worked out just great and had amazing use for solo and group play.

Just deal with the fact that all the classes arent supposed to be the same and thats why i dropped my templar, because the supposed playstyle doesnt fit me. A DK Assassin of course is something else like a NB assassin and if people started to take detectpots i'd love to see all those super awesome 1vx nightblades die even faster than anyone else.
START using ur brains. DK's have so many unique abilities that all work along together because everything on a dk is thought out so awesome in comparison to other classes. The first days i had my dk leveled up i allready did some good 1vx stuff and wiped big zergs with 1 or 2 friends because playing other classes made me realise where the advantage of a dk is set.

Have you ever think that maybe you should play the class for a little bit longer before talking against the opinion of people who have played this class for over 150-175days of playtime?

I understand that you are being successful right now and that you are rolling faces on your magicka DK but I doubt your opponents had any clues of what they were doing.

I encourage you to get a better approach next time and maybe instead of saying "I'm sorry that DK is not super easy mode now.. lol" or "START using ur brains", you could give constructive suggestions of how you figured out the class yourself and maybe even post some footages of your achievements.

Master_Kas

Alcast wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Of course! Reflect is the key for a DK to move our ranged opponents out of their comfort zone. As we lack mobility, we need something like this to get them close up against us. The reflect is quite expensive, VERY LIMITED after its nerf (4 seconds for 4 projectiles) and you can counter it by timing you CC, using non-projectile ranged abilities or just waiting to dry our resorces out.

Asking for reflect to let one skill pass it every second (where is the lol button when you need it btw?) is like us asking for sorc shields to drop every second and let a skill pass through them...

Never heard such a bad idea before...

I spam wings like sorc spam shields.

Some projectiles can get through scales (even if you only fire one).

Focused aim from sneak used to do that when patch came out.

Even seen videos of other skills too. It's not as reliable as it used to be (Tough no doubt very good ^^)

Darnathian

Legedric wrote: »

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Of course! Reflect is the key for a DK to move our ranged opponents out of their comfort zone. As we lack mobility, we need something like this to get them close up against us. The reflect is quite expensive, VERY LIMITED after its nerf (4 seconds for 4 projectiles) and you can counter it by timing you CC, using non-projectile ranged abilities or just waiting to dry our resorces out.

Asking for reflect to let one skill pass it every second (where is the lol button when you need it btw?) is like us asking for sorc shields to drop every second and let a skill pass through them...

Never heard such a bad idea before...

No skill full sorcs cry about reflect. Really tough to count to 4 when you see the DKs wings that cover half the screen.

Galalin

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Valindor Magnus wrote: »

"A l2p issue? Are you for real bud? Let me just say what most ppl in this thread are thinking right now. GTFO and l2p you console noob. I would be most interested to hear what exactly in that statement is a l2p issue but im guessing you have not a freaking clue since your statement is nothing more than pure BS with no argument."

Pretty sure that was sarcasm on his part.

I could be wrong but i don't think he was being sarcastic although thats aboit the only way onw could explain that comment

DK SCRUB OUT

Console noob? played since PC beta and dont even own a console. And yes i was being sarcastic because Jules is actually a pretty good friend of mine and i feel the need to troll her.

@ghost-shot Ok in that case let me apologize for my assumption but as jules pointed out DK is a touchy subject for those of us passionate about them. I can admit when i wrong and hope there are not hard feeling about it

DK SCRUB OUT

dantator

Ghostbane wrote: »

Curse > Crushing Shock > MW > Light Attack > Frag + teabag.

A fragbag.

Ghost, you speak with such eloquence. It brings tears to my eyes :') But yeah, people need to realize that there were actually a lot of sorcs that won legend tournaments. And if you ask every good sorc, they will tell you that DKs were not an issue to kill in 1.5.

RadioheadSh0t

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.