The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

Bashev

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

Alcast

dantator wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Curse > Crushing Shock > MW > Light Attack > Frag + teabag.

A fragbag.

Ghost, you speak with such eloquence. It brings tears to my eyes :') But yeah, people need to realize that there were actually a lot of sorcs that won legend tournaments. And if you ask every good sorc, they will tell you that DKs were not an issue to kill in 1.5.

Why would a dk die from a sorc in 1v1? You can reflect all attacks apart from curse/dawnbreaker..? Tho DK also cannot kill Sorc unless the Sorc frags himself and you can land a fancy combo with HA+dawnbreaker to rip him

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Legedric wrote: »

Quady wrote: »

U can boost DKs after that how u want, i would be ok with that.

Just one skill I hate since game started.

U are talking like its all dks have.

Have u ever even try fight with range against dk?

All your survivability depands on reflecting every single one range projectile? Than u play it wrong, i know good dks that not use reflect, tanks and dds

Of course! Reflect is the key for a DK to move our ranged opponents out of their comfort zone. As we lack mobility, we need something like this to get them close up against us. The reflect is quite expensive, VERY LIMITED after its nerf (4 seconds for 4 projectiles) and you can counter it by timing you CC, using non-projectile ranged abilities or just waiting to dry our resorces out.

Asking for reflect to let one skill pass it every second (where is the lol button when you need it btw?) is like us asking for sorc shields to drop every second and let a skill pass through them...

Never heard such a bad idea before...

I spam wings like sorc spam shields.

Some projectiles can get through scales (even if you only fire one).

Focused aim from sneak used to do that when patch came out.

Even seen videos of other skills too. It's not as reliable as it used to be (Tough no doubt very good ^^)

I noticed that too, but it seems its a bug? Sometimes stuff does not get reflected although Scales was up 100%.

Fights I had against sorcs so far were endless till either another enemy came or one of my allies came to help.

NinjaApacHe

ZOS does what Blizzard started and every other SH continued. The rule is: every six/8 months buff a class and nerf another. So everyone will be happy and sad periodically. It's part of the MMO system, accept it and roll different classes if you wanna be always at the top of the food chain.

Malmai

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

ZOS does what Blizzard started and every other SH continued. The rule is: every six/8 months buff a class and nerf another. So everyone will be happy and sad periodically. It's part of the MMO system, accept it and roll different classes if you wanna be always at the top of the food chain.

Sad but true, so we spend more time in game not bcs you would enjoy playing that class but bcs its strong... Reroll buy scrolls for exp grind in PvP, PvE and repeat after 6 months

Armitas

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

ZOS does what Blizzard started and every other SH continued. The rule is: every six/8 months buff a class and nerf another. So everyone will be happy and sad periodically. It's part of the MMO system, accept it and roll different classes if you wanna be always at the top of the food chain.

I agree with the concept because balance is so highly subjective but six to eight months is brutal with how bad they nerf things. I wouldn't mind a 4 month cycle though.

Elsonso

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

ZOS does what Blizzard started and every other SH continued. The rule is: every six/8 months buff a class and nerf another. So everyone will be happy and sad periodically. It's part of the MMO system, accept it and roll different classes if you wanna be always at the top of the food chain.

It is not so that everyone will be happy and sad, periodically, although that is the case.

It is so that the players that have to be at the top of the food chain have to purchase Crown abilities to completely rebuild their VR 16 without having to create a new character and level it up. This way they can simply pay cash to be the proper class, gender, and race when ZOS changes something. ZOS wins. Player wins. Credit card feels wanted.

Ishammael

How do you like you DK?

Kelces

Scales still work fine, maybe buggy though, but many other things are. I witnessed many DK's, who do very well and even manage to devastate whole groups. So perhaps it only was too easy in the beginning and now spoiled players complain about being challenged. ->

ZOS does what Blizzard started

Remember the Paladin?

btw: Nerf wasps, they always kill me!

Runicus

Mythk wrote: »

Nerf sorc

Or nerf everyone, drop 3 of the 4 classes and have only 5 abilities for every player. That'll be fair.

I am trademarking this concept with CoMMO-unism

Mumyo

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

Bashev

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

RadioheadSh0t

Bashev wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

Not all classes should have the same skillset, though.

DKs can have escapability when my Sorc gets class heal and melee and my NB gets a class shield and heal.

Class balance does not mean all classes have the same skills.

DUTCH_REAPER

How about I get a working heal for my DK that does what it's supposed to do (keep me in the fight bc I can't run away like a fraidy cat) and we will call it good?

Bashev

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

Not all classes should have the same skillset, though.

DKs can have escapability when my Sorc gets class heal and melee and my NB gets a class shield and heal.

Class balance does not mean all classes have the same skills.

I dont wont escape ability. Give me my stamina regen while blocking and DKs and templars will be fine.

RadioheadSh0t

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

Not all classes should have the same skillset, though.

DKs can have escapability when my Sorc gets class heal and melee and my NB gets a class shield and heal.

Class balance does not mean all classes have the same skills.

I dont wont escape ability. Give me my stamina regen while blocking and DKs and templars will be fine.

I agree. That change was another lazy attempt at class balance.

Jules

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

Not all classes should have the same skillset, though.

DKs can have escapability when my Sorc gets class heal and melee and my NB gets a class shield and heal.

Class balance does not mean all classes have the same skills.

I dont wont escape ability. Give me my stamina regen while blocking and DKs and templars will be fine.

Agreed. I merely pointed out the lack of escape just to show the difference between DK's and other classes. But I agree, if I could regen stam when blocking again and/or have a real class self heal we would be in a much better place.

americansteel

give us some better abilities I like talons and whip but I don't like being forced to use 2h to do most of my damage I feel stuck playing with a shield and sword to progress through content I did this with my V13 PC DK I love the class and the name but damn is it hard to play a DK.
how about an ability where we have something like a lava spear? lava something obviously since DKs are using Lava or flame damage what ever its called.
even I complain about my Templars puncturing sweep.

Ghost-Shot

Jules wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Mumyo wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Every time I run against very good DKs in this game 1v1 I think about threads like these and how out of touch they can be at times (key words: at times; there are many valid and constructive points that I don't want to discredit).

1h/2h DKs are arguably one of the tougher 1v1 classes in the game. The best combination of mitigation and damage in the game currently.

1 vs 1 Stamina DK are kings but in open world the most important way to mitigate damage is the mobility.
Reflective scales should reflect all projectiles and the duration should be reduced to 3 secs or 2 secs.

U can use maneuver and what does the templar get? its a tankyclass issue and not a dk issue. nb and sorc are superiour due to their escapeability.

we would be superiour in meleecombat but they took our shields away... class system broken.

This is exactly what I said. You need mobility to escape.

Not all classes should have the same skillset, though.

DKs can have escapability when my Sorc gets class heal and melee and my NB gets a class shield and heal.

Class balance does not mean all classes have the same skills.

I dont wont escape ability. Give me my stamina regen while blocking and DKs and templars will be fine.

Agreed. I merely pointed out the lack of escape just to show the difference between DK's and other classes. But I agree, if I could regen stam when blocking again and/or have a real class self heal we would be in a much better place.

WTB permabats, pst.

Armitas

Well I was really disappointed in this episode of ESO live. They had a wonderful opportunity to give some hope to the class by commenting on it, but instead they gave a generic answer of we will be working on classes in two updates.

I really don't think they understand what the mood is out here.

Alcast

Armitas wrote: »

Well I was really disappointed in this episode of ESO live. They had a wonderful opportunity to give some hope to the class by commenting on it, but instead they gave a generic answer of we will be working on classes in two updates.

I really don't think they understand what the mood is out here.

We are waiting for the same answer since launch for templars, could still take a while >.>

Ishammael

Armitas wrote: »

Well I was really disappointed in this episode of ESO live. They had a wonderful opportunity to give some hope to the class by commenting on it, but instead they gave a generic answer of we will be working on classes in two updates.

I really don't think they understand what the mood is out here.

I watch the "Friday updates" for CU now. Waaaaay more interesting.

Teiji

Armitas wrote: »

Well I was really disappointed in this episode of ESO live. They had a wonderful opportunity to give some hope to the class by commenting on it, but instead they gave a generic answer of we will be working on classes in two updates.

I really don't think they understand what the mood is out here.

Orsinium update.

Three months later.

...

Thieves Guild update.

Three months later.

...

Dark Brotherhood update.

Three months later.

...

Class balance update.

I hope you're all prepared for a rather timely wait. But hey, we've been waiting years, years and even more years for an Elder Scrolls MMORPG anyway! So what's another two years!?

I cry.

Armitas

Every MMO I have played fixes major balance issues on a regular basis. They don't wait for an update, they do it right away because they make the connection that unhappy players turn into players of other games. Why does this game take a half a year to do anything. Why can't they fix talons without a major update? Why can't they just revert molten weapons without a major update? It makes no sense why they are going to just sit on their hands for another half of a year.

Isbilen

By the time that this class balance patch is out, Black Desert Online will probably have been released. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Jules

Isbilen wrote: »

By the time that this class balance patch is out, Black Desert Online will probably have been released. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Pretty much this.

Galalin

Isbilen wrote: »

By the time that this class balance patch is out, Black Desert Online will probably have been released. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Camelot Unchained ftw!!!!

DK SCRUB OUT

Darnathian

Galalin wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

By the time that this class balance patch is out, Black Desert Online will probably have been released. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Camelot Unchained ftw!!!!

DK SCRUB OUT

And in the mean time what? I am thinking battlefront. Take a break from mmo's and go FPS. Get recharged for next year.

Galalin

Darnathian wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

By the time that this class balance patch is out, Black Desert Online will probably have been released. I don't know why I bother anymore.

Camelot Unchained ftw!!!!

DK SCRUB OUT

And in the mean time what? I am thinking battlefront. Take a break from mmo's and go DPS. Get recharged for next year.

Just bought a ps4 so maybe some battlefield just to hold me over but really can't wait for Camelot Unchained... going to be amazing for PvP/RvR

DK SCRUB OUT

newtinmpls

Alucardo wrote: »

The main problems I'm facing is, Obsidian Shield seems kind of useless, and Dragon Blood IS useless.

I've been playing my dunmer DK In IC and while you are correct in that Obsidian Sheild and Dragon Blood don't fix everything, I have found (especially now while wrestling with learning a new Razor Naga mouse - very cruel and horrible learning curve) that not having (or not using) them I die, and using them correctly, I go down to a red dot but do make it. It doesn't feel "easy" but it does feel challenging and fun.

Jules

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