1vShield Breaker + Many more enemies

Sharee

Robbmrp wrote: »

So does the Shield proc on every shield that someone gets? So someone using a class shield, then a resto shield and then getting a barrier popped on them they automatically get hit with 6k damage?

No, the damage is always ~2K (depending on set level and quality)

Makkir

The v14 Covenant bow at legendary does like 1.1k unresistable dmg as well. I don't know how that compares to a weighted bow or if the trade off is worth it.

Hexys

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had 28K-29K Magicka not 40-45K Magicka like some of these guys had.

I don't know anyone who had that kind of magicka unless they were running a pet build with the set that gives you a load of magicka for pets being active and even at, that these players were VERY rare to come across and often were pretty useless in pvp.

I found this on the last day of 1.6, Ball of Lightning would proc the 5 piece of Necropotence (10% extra magicka) and I had 45k magicka. Sadly now the ball only lasts for 2.5 seconds.

Lava_Croft

Hexys wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had 28K-29K Magicka not 40-45K Magicka like some of these guys had.

I don't know anyone who had that kind of magicka unless they were running a pet build with the set that gives you a load of magicka for pets being active and even at, that these players were VERY rare to come across and often were pretty useless in pvp.

I found this on the last day of 1.6, Ball of Lightning would proc the 5 piece of Necropotence (10% extra magicka) and I had 45k magicka. Sadly now the ball only lasts for 2.5 seconds.

A while ago someone already found out that the game treats the Ball of Lightning like one of the Sorcerer pets, triggering the Necropotence buff. That and a few other funny things.
See: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1829989

#ZOSlogic

Jules

super skiled player vs super good speler

Septimus_Magna

Robbmrp wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I don't even think i have to say anything.

How low is your health? That's only 10k worth of damage......My Templar usually gets that from a Crystal Frag to the face.....or a DK whip....or a 13k Assassins Strike and I can still survive it.

Death recap only shows the 5 last attacks before your death. Even with 30k health you would only see 5 attacks on your death recap.

Alcast

Ezareth wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

I'd make it take a percentage of total shield strength, so it doesn't make small shields useless...

Yep, called it.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

The best way would be for this set's damage to hit the Wards instead of the HP and scale with the size of the Wards. For example 35% of the ward's value is added on top.

For example if you have a small 5k shield the set will hit ~1.7k extra damage on your shields. Still good DPS boost. If you have stacked a Hardened Ward and Healing Ward and Barrier and have a 30k shield, the set will add ~10k damage on the wards for that first hit.

This will not fix the issue. Then people simply can continue spamming shields without any issue?

I am still for a Minor/Major shield fix.

Shield "Stacking" has never been the problem. I really don't understand why people continue to think that would solve anything.

Shieldspamming, not stacking, spamming is a problem and that is what i said.

So how would a Major/Minor shield solution change that. From what I've heard of that, is it would allow shields like Harness, Healing Ward, Hardened Ward to overwrite each other. This wouldn't change anything really.

Everyone could spam them then I would be pretty darn happy to get a major shield on my stamina char

Saturn

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Too bad they don't produce Shield Breaker in a heavy armor variant.

That would be ZOS' dream build.

Oh man, I watched one of their PTS streams, they all ran staves, heavy armour and vigour.

"What is skill rotation? I just spam light and heavy attacks."

There is something extremely amusing about people developing a game and then playing it like complete beginners.

Remember when they were like: "Oh yeah the pet builds are going to be really strong after Update 6."

Yeah..

Lava_Croft

Saturn wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Too bad they don't produce Shield Breaker in a heavy armor variant.

That would be ZOS' dream build.

Oh man, I watched one of their PTS streams, they all ran staves, heavy armour and vigour.

"What is skill rotation? I just spam light and heavy attacks."

There is something extremely amusing about people developing a game and then playing it like complete beginners.

Remember when they were like: "Oh yeah the pet builds are going to be really strong after Update 6."

Yeah..

I had to quit watching that because it was just so incredibly awful. Best proof you can get that there's at least some people at ZOS who have absolutely no clue about how to play this game.

Etaniel

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Too bad they don't produce Shield Breaker in a heavy armor variant.

That would be ZOS' dream build.

Oh man, I watched one of their PTS streams, they all ran staves, heavy armour and vigour.

"What is skill rotation? I just spam light and heavy attacks."

There is something extremely amusing about people developing a game and then playing it like complete beginners.

Remember when they were like: "Oh yeah the pet builds are going to be really strong after Update 6."

Yeah..

I had to quit watching that because it was just so incredibly awful. Best proof you can get that there's at least some people at ZOS who have absolutely no clue about how to play this game.

Would love to have a duelling session, or group fights between actual players and the ZOS members. I'd hope the conclusion would be "Ok we definitely have no clue how to play this game, it is then natural that we shouldn't be the ones in charge of balancing it, here you go, power to the people"

Saltypretzels

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Saltypretzels

Lava_Croft wrote: »

My new goal in ESO is to get the Champion passive that grants a shield after quaffing a potion and then getting killed by Shield Breaker proccing.

That doesn't make sense. If you don't have the shield on, the light attack damage would kill you and not the unresistable damage if your health was that low anyway.

Wish people would stop being so dramatic about this and at least use a little logic.

_adhyffbjjjf12

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing . so, with no shields and light armor you will be bursted down in a couple seconds max. Assumably the attacker will be defending as well as attacking.

Put it this way in the history of battleground pvp, burst specs that are dead in 2 seconds of direct fire have never worked, and will never work because whiners get the class nerfed down so the burst does does not offset the risk, and the is eventually replaced with ranger defence skills.

With we have at the moment is a dps class that has no low hp , average dps that is forced into close combat.. With a defense that us now a lottery and also criticised lol.

_adhyffbjjjf12

What would be fairer is that hardened ward was replaced with a new armor breaker skill that meant that sorcerers done an additional 2k unmitigated damage against heavy and medium armor - now that would work, no spamming shields, and glass cannon play. Simple, but would people complain I wonder, ah but ah but that's unfair as well they say!

Sharee

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

Maulkin

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Sharee

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Maulkin

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Last time I checked, you can't choose when and who attacks you

CP5

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Last time I checked, you can't choose when and who attacks you

Or what attire your enemies put on before battle.

Sharee

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Last time I checked, you can't choose when and who attacks you

Casting only a shield that doesn't protect from physical damage when you don't know who and when attacks you makes just as little sense.

CP5

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Last time I checked, you can't choose when and who attacks you

Casting only a shield that doesn't protect from physical damage when you don't know who and when attacks you makes just as little sense.

Preemptive defense at risk of being killed makes little sense?

Sharee

CP5 wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

It's not a 'measely' 2k a hit, it's an additional 2k dps unmitigated over and above all the other damage you are doing

As long as shieldbreaker is proccing, "all other damage you are doing" is being absorbed by the shield.

No. Two Words. Harness Magicka

Whether you cast only a purely magic damage absorbing shield against a stamina user is entirely up to you.

I suggest you don't.

Last time I checked, you can't choose when and who attacks you

Casting only a shield that doesn't protect from physical damage when you don't know who and when attacks you makes just as little sense.

Preemptive defense at risk of being killed makes little sense?

Oh, preemtive defense makes plenty of sense. What does not make sense is not defending yourself preemptively against physical damage, and only shielding against magical damage, despite not knowing what kind of damage will be incoming next.

pjwb16_ESO

LegendaryChef

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay! This set is just lazy and it's so sad to see that people are actually still trying to defend it. 1v1 this set is a laughing stock, I fought a NB the other day and just didn't refresh my shields and used heals instead to which he became completely useless. He just didn't know what to do anymore because his precious and lazy set was not helping him anymore. Before the fight he actually whispered me telling me that he would destroy me 1v1 and after I swept him up off the floor he didn't really have much else to say.

Any moron can pick up the set nice and cheap and manage to make anyone using a shields life a total pain. What if they implement a 5 piece set that breaks cloak? What if they made a set that went through dragon scales? What if they made a set that stopped the use of breath of life? Shields are a sorcs main defense and this set is just a completely lazy way around beating a good player.

You also mentioned I should "bolt escape away". Did you forget the fact that it now stacks and that will drain my magicka faster than you are draining my patience? This game just seems to keep aiming towards being "noob friendly" and it's gettin pretty tiring. Nerfing my shields by 50% and then implementing a set that goes through them? Have you put any thought to that or are you just so blinded by your tears that sorcs were slightly stronger than other classes in the previous patch?

Alcast

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay! This set is just lazy and it's so sad to see that people are actually still trying to defend it. 1v1 this set is a laughing stock, I fought a NB the other day and just didn't refresh my shields and used heals instead to which he became completely useless. He just didn't know what to do anymore because his precious and lazy set was not helping him anymore. Before the fight he actually whispered me telling me that he would destroy me 1v1 and after I swept him up off the floor he didn't really have much else to say.

Any moron can pick up the set nice and cheap and manage to make anyone using a shields life a total pain. What if they implement a 5 piece set that breaks cloak? What if they made a set that went through dragon scales? What if they made a set that stopped the use of breath of life? Shields are a sorcs main defense and this set is just a completely lazy way around beating a good player.

You also mentioned I should "bolt escape away". Did you forget the fact that it now stacks and that will drain my magicka faster than you are draining my patience? This game just seems to keep aiming towards being "noob friendly" and it's gettin pretty tiring. Nerfing my shields by 50% and then implementing a set that goes through them? Have you put any thought to that or are you just so blinded by your tears that sorcs were slightly stronger than other classes in the previous patch?

"slightly"

WalksAmongShadows

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay!

What kind of gameplay are you exactly talking about here? Trying to be some kind of an immovable turret tanking everything? It's not sorcs gameplay my friend, it's your gameplay. Of course your enemies can just stand still and spam their left mouse button and wreck you, because clearly you are standing still as well. Probably without using mines either.

Hexys

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had 28K-29K Magicka not 40-45K Magicka like some of these guys had.

I don't know anyone who had that kind of magicka unless they were running a pet build with the set that gives you a load of magicka for pets being active and even at, that these players were VERY rare to come across and often were pretty useless in pvp.

I found this on the last day of 1.6, Ball of Lightning would proc the 5 piece of Necropotence (10% extra magicka) and I had 45k magicka. Sadly now the ball only lasts for 2.5 seconds.

A while ago someone already found out that the game treats the Ball of Lightning like one of the Sorcerer pets, triggering the Necropotence buff. That and a few other funny things.
See: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1829989

#ZOSlogic

Ye true, found was more personally, I don't mean that I was the first one to came to this fact.

pjwb16_ESO

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay! This set is just lazy and it's so sad to see that people are actually still trying to defend it. 1v1 this set is a laughing stock, I fought a NB the other day and just didn't refresh my shields and used heals instead to which he became completely useless. He just didn't know what to do anymore because his precious and lazy set was not helping him anymore. Before the fight he actually whispered me telling me that he would destroy me 1v1 and after I swept him up off the floor he didn't really have much else to say.

Any moron can pick up the set nice and cheap and manage to make anyone using a shields life a total pain. What if they implement a 5 piece set that breaks cloak? What if they made a set that went through dragon scales? What if they made a set that stopped the use of breath of life? Shields are a sorcs main defense and this set is just a completely lazy way around beating a good player.

You also mentioned I should "bolt escape away". Did you forget the fact that it now stacks and that will drain my magicka faster than you are draining my patience? This game just seems to keep aiming towards being "noob friendly" and it's gettin pretty tiring. Nerfing my shields by 50% and then implementing a set that goes through them? Have you put any thought to that or are you just so blinded by your tears that sorcs were slightly stronger than other classes in the previous patch?

QQ from dual mundus trash.

QQ from undodgable Concealed Weapon Exploiter Trash

Derra

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay! This set is just lazy and it's so sad to see that people are actually still trying to defend it. 1v1 this set is a laughing stock, I fought a NB the other day and just didn't refresh my shields and used heals instead to which he became completely useless. He just didn't know what to do anymore because his precious and lazy set was not helping him anymore. Before the fight he actually whispered me telling me that he would destroy me 1v1 and after I swept him up off the floor he didn't really have much else to say.

Any moron can pick up the set nice and cheap and manage to make anyone using a shields life a total pain. What if they implement a 5 piece set that breaks cloak? What if they made a set that went through dragon scales? What if they made a set that stopped the use of breath of life? Shields are a sorcs main defense and this set is just a completely lazy way around beating a good player.

You also mentioned I should "bolt escape away". Did you forget the fact that it now stacks and that will drain my magicka faster than you are draining my patience? This game just seems to keep aiming towards being "noob friendly" and it's gettin pretty tiring. Nerfing my shields by 50% and then implementing a set that goes through them? Have you put any thought to that or are you just so blinded by your tears that sorcs were slightly stronger than other classes in the previous patch?

QQ from dual mundus trash.

Saw a screenshot where you admit on exploiting ppl with oil on a postion you were not supposed to reach. I would not throw stones in a glass house.

Lava_Croft

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

I like the set and don't see the issue with it.

If I am shooting my bow at you and doing a measely 2k a hit, you as a shielded sorc have plenty of time to blast me down with your crystal shards or what have you and kill me first, or bolt escape away.

When the shield breaker set comes into play it requires a change of the normal tactics... go all out offense instead of sitting back and continuing to play defensively. Don't see a problem here.

Of course you like the set! You like the fact that you can stand and spam your left mouse button and completely destroy a sorcs gameplay! This set is just lazy and it's so sad to see that people are actually still trying to defend it. 1v1 this set is a laughing stock, I fought a NB the other day and just didn't refresh my shields and used heals instead to which he became completely useless. He just didn't know what to do anymore because his precious and lazy set was not helping him anymore. Before the fight he actually whispered me telling me that he would destroy me 1v1 and after I swept him up off the floor he didn't really have much else to say.

Any moron can pick up the set nice and cheap and manage to make anyone using a shields life a total pain. What if they implement a 5 piece set that breaks cloak? What if they made a set that went through dragon scales? What if they made a set that stopped the use of breath of life? Shields are a sorcs main defense and this set is just a completely lazy way around beating a good player.

You also mentioned I should "bolt escape away". Did you forget the fact that it now stacks and that will drain my magicka faster than you are draining my patience? This game just seems to keep aiming towards being "noob friendly" and it's gettin pretty tiring. Nerfing my shields by 50% and then implementing a set that goes through them? Have you put any thought to that or are you just so blinded by your tears that sorcs were slightly stronger than other classes in the previous patch?

QQ from dual mundus trash.

Saw a screenshot where you admit on exploiting ppl with oil on a postion you were not supposed to reach. I would not throw stones in a glass house.

I finally oiled a single Smurf from the top of Chalman Milegate on the last day of 1.6! So awesome!