Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.

Xeven · September 2015

Just met my first player wearing the set. I was dead before I even knew what hit me, lol. Lovely.

olsborg · September 2015

That didnt take long. I have a stamblade friend whos saving up for this set and he will get it tonight. I guess its still as op as feared. Ah well, shieldstacking is dumb, yes, but this shitfix is the wrong path I tell you, wrong path.

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

I fought a couple stamina builds running the shieldbreaker set yesterday in the IC sewers. Once you find out whats happening its very hard not to die and the only option is to burst them down quickly. If he has a friend your only option is to run. Even guild mates that are very good at dueling could not kill 2 guys if one of them had the shieldbreaker set, normally they have no trouble killing 2 guys.

The pressure on both the shield and health is insane, especially if you use Harness Magicka that procs the 2k unresistable damage but doesnt absorb the physical damage from their ability attacks. This is clearly not working as intended because it gives an unfair advantage to the stamina shieldbreaker. Also, the unresistable damage is too high with the current healing reduction, as a magicka build you dont have a chance because you cant keep up with healing, recasting your shields and return damage all at the same time. This puts the magicka build 100% on the defense and this eliminates the weakness of the stamina shieldbreaker, which is their defense.

I think a 23 page thread is a good indicator that this sets needs to be adjusted, could you please look at this? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_EricWrobel.

Maulkin · September 2015

When this becomes mainstream, and it will, a shield build will be unplayable.

Healing Ward's first heal is only 1k and you have to wait 6 seconds for the real heal to be delivered. In the meantime a weighted bow is doing 2.1k damage at a speed of almost twice a second with 0 cost to the attackers resources. You're basically dead in about 6-7" from the moment you encounter this build, unless you somehow manage to gtfo.

I've adapted and replaced two from my Triple H shield setup (Harness, Healing, Hardened) with Rapid Regen and Blessing of Restoration. So now I only have Hardened Ward as a shield.

Regardless, Blessing of Restoration is no burst heal like Healing Ward or Breath of Life. For me at the moment with 34k magicka it's a 2.5k heal (4.8k in PvE) and along with Rapid Regen which is another 600 HP, I have a maximum of 3.1k HP sec or ~4.5k if you get lucky with crits.

So, my average HPS when going into heal-spam mode is around 3.7k HP which still cannot keep with the damage from the bow light attacks.

Every light attack is doing as much damage as my Crushing Shock at a faster pace (more DPS) at 0 cost to the caster. To say this is extremely unbalanced is an understatement. There's a difference between having an edge against anyone with a shield and completely shutting them down.

Derra · September 2015

Just don´t use harness anymore. It´s not an option with the current way shieldbreaker works. I´ve still to figure out how to combat that set without only slotting defensive.

Still undicided on magica NB or templar till this gets sorted out.

Kas · September 2015

on my templar, this set does a great job. if i slot harness and healing ward, i eat casters alive but get killed by stam users with this set (unless they cannot move to avoid jabs spam which somehow turned into an i-win ability against everyone that doesn't know how to move around a templar).

if i go for high armor and flash myself, i kill stamblades but have serious problems with good sorcs. if i slot all kinds of defense, i'm useless and will be out of magicka eventually.

rock paper scissors.

however, i can see how sorcs have huge problems against this set. but i guess even sorcs can build specifically for this:

drop usual damage spells (curse etc) to make room on bars.
immovable pots and immovable on one bar.
run degenderation, rapid regen, quick siphon, elemental drain and just weave light attacks + force pulse and streak offensively for stuns. maybe even crit surge?

iirc this was a very successful but not too popular duel build in 1.5. i tried it on my templar (no streak causes problems agaisnt mobile enemies because you cannot chase) and the health + magicka sustain while not blocking is insane. with immovable up it feels liek you're entirely unkillable. stamina is easily enough to keep casting immovable when no pot greats the buff.

i'm pretty sure it's gonna be even more efficent on my sorc. however, the 1vX potential is absolutely terrible. the whole idea of the build is to apply buffs and be able to remain on the offensive permanently. once you face multiple competent enemies, the health sustain is not enough anymore. once you cannot keep up the offense anymore, your defense suffers as well. liekwise, the build is bad vs reflect and enemies that can sustain frequent purges (especially templars) who can just remove ele drain/degeneration/quick siphon with a single cast

however, if someone specifically uses this set to counter your playstlye. this, in my opining, is a way to counter theirs 1v1

PS: you can also sustain your healtjh without the full anount of defbuffs. ele drain + quick siphon + degeneration + rapigen regen is overkill and casting 4 spells means you lose out on some force pluses to spam

Maulkin · September 2015

Derra wrote: »

Just don´t use harness anymore. It´s not an option with the current way shieldbreaker works. I´ve still to figure out how to combat that set without only slotting defensive.

Still undicided on magica NB or templar till this gets sorted out.

I don't use Harness any more, I've dropped it for Rapid Regen. Though when I come up against another Sorc 1v1 that still runs the Triple H then unless that guy is very very bad, I cannot kill him. I won't die either (not in under 20 mins anyway), but I can't kill him.

He will have infinite magicka with Harness and he can still have a 16k shield stack on top of his 20k hp. I haven't found a way to create 36k worth of burst yet against anyone who is not brain afk.

I'll keep banging on about my preferred solution.
1. Convert Healing Ward to a strong, single-target, direct heal like Templar BoL.
2. Remove active Shield stacking. The tiny shields form CP passives etc. can still stack but any skill-cast shield replaces your previous one.

That way noone has to burn through a ridiculous amount of shields which is even harder to do with this low damage. When you fight a magicka build you either have to cut through a 6k Harness that gives him magicka, or a 10k Dampen Magic / Hardened Ward but never both.

Then revert the recent buff to this shield breaker set and bring the damage back to 1.1k that it was before.

sabresandiego_ESO · September 2015

This set is one of the best things to happen to the game, and makes unkillable shield spammer actually killable.

Sure, a better option would be to directly nerf shields by making them crittable and putting on debuffs if recast repeatedly, but they decided to make a set against it. Without this set, shield spammers/stackers are still tankier than tanks.

Garion · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I fought a couple stamina builds running the shieldbreaker set yesterday in the IC sewers. Once you find out whats happening its very hard not to die and the only option is to burst them down quickly. If he has a friend your only option is to run. Even guild mates that are very good at dueling could not kill 2 guys if one of them had the shieldbreaker set, normally they have no trouble killing 2 guys.

The pressure on both the shield and health is insane, especially if you use Harness Magicka that procs the 2k unresistable damage but doesnt absorb the physical damage from their ability attacks. This is clearly not working as intended because it gives an unfair advantage to the stamina shieldbreaker. Also, the unresistable damage is too high with the current healing reduction, as a magicka build you dont have a chance because you cant keep up with healing, recasting your shields and return damage all at the same time. This puts the magicka build 100% on the defense and this eliminates the weakness of the stamina shieldbreaker, which is their defense.

I think a 23 page thread is a good indicator that this sets needs to be adjusted, could you please look at this? @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_EricWrobel.

Don't even bother tagging Eric Wrobel, for some reason the lead combat designer doesn't have a forum account.

GG ZOS.

Derra · September 2015

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

This set is one of the best things to happen to the game, and makes unkillable shield spammer actually killable.

Sure, a better option would be to directly nerf shields by making them crittable and putting on debuffs if recast repeatedly, but they decided to make a set against it. Without this set, shield spammers/stackers are still tankier than tanks.

I think it´s completely wrong in to pidgeonhole a class even more into a certain skill setup than it´s already the case instead of fixing the underlying broken mechanic...
But that´s just me.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

This set is one of the best things to happen to the game, and makes unkillable shield spammer actually killable.

Sure, a better option would be to directly nerf shields by making them crittable and putting on debuffs if recast repeatedly, but they decided to make a set against it. Without this set, shield spammers/stackers are still tankier than tanks.

Shields are not a real issue anymore .. the issue is TTK is so flipped now that it takes a lot longer to kill someone and mistakes go unpenalized. The shield break set is very broken and no reason for it to do so much consistent damage without any cooldown on the set. If no cooldown is added than the set needs to do at most 1k dmg per hit, there is no real justified reason for it to do so much dmg for no real resource use.

Any DK using igneous for a heal boost is doomed as dragons blood heals for less than what that set does dmg wise while igneous is up.

Sharee · September 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

.. the issue is TTK is so flipped now that it takes a lot longer to kill someone and mistakes go unpenalized.

Mistakes are not unpenalized, the penalty just isn't instant death anymore.

CP5 · September 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

This set is one of the best things to happen to the game, and makes unkillable shield spammer actually killable.

Sure, a better option would be to directly nerf shields by making them crittable and putting on debuffs if recast repeatedly, but they decided to make a set against it. Without this set, shield spammers/stackers are still tankier than tanks.

Shields are not a real issue anymore .. the issue is TTK is so flipped now that it takes a lot longer to kill someone and mistakes go unpenalized. The shield break set is very broken and no reason for it to do so much consistent damage without any cooldown on the set. If no cooldown is added than the set needs to do at most 1k dmg per hit, there is no real justified reason for it to do so much dmg for no real resource use.

Any DK using igneous for a heal boost is doomed as dragons blood heals for less than what that set does dmg wise while igneous is up.

But ZOS can't rework the set, because so many people see it as a nerf to sorcs, and we can never undo one of those. As long as enough people ignore the fact that there are more people who use shields in the game than the ones they hate then it will likely not change.

Derra · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

.. the issue is TTK is so flipped now that it takes a lot longer to kill someone and mistakes go unpenalized.

Mistakes are not unpenalized, the penalty just isn't instant death anymore.

The problem with that statement (i do agree it´s true) is that anything that is not death as a penalty is no penalty at all due to the broken resource system we currently have.

If you´re allowed to recover from grave mistakes and misjudgements it´s basically a complete reset of a fight.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

Derra wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

.. the issue is TTK is so flipped now that it takes a lot longer to kill someone and mistakes go unpenalized.

Mistakes are not unpenalized, the penalty just isn't instant death anymore.

The problem with that statement (i do agree it´s true) is that anything that is not death as a penalty is no penalty at all due to the broken resource system we currently have.

If you´re allowed to recover from grave mistakes and misjudgements it´s basically a complete reset of a fight.

I agree but people who use healing ward will 9/10 times die before the heal even goes off. They are now required to run a second heal because of this set. This set has caused multiple people to drop shields off of their bar simply because of this set and how brutal it is.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

I think ZOS made a smart move. If any of them get in game and spend hours playing on each of the classes they will realize there is no counter for shields and this was necessary. Even ranged attacks have counters, heck heavy attacks have counters.

This is what shield-stacking looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QBDbPvlj-c

Sorc isn't the only class that can do it however it does it the best right now. I know this from trying it first hand as well but will never go that route. A good healer can heal perfectly fine without a shield, so let's not go there. Also, the only counter to shields right now requires 5 precious slots which could be used for something better... so if anything ZOS needs to add MORE ways to combat shields.

Heck, I love using my shields on 3/4th of my characters that have them built into their classes... however if I can admit this is a problem, so should you. Unless you heavily rely on it??? Which I'm guessing is the case.

BalticBlues · September 2015

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Lava_Croft · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

If you need a 5-piece armor set to counter Cloak, I pity you.

hammayolettuce · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Can I have a Caltrops Wader set? So I can just stand in other people's caltrops? That's something I'd really like to see from ZOS, moving forward.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

ToRelax · September 2015

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

I am so tired of the claim stamina NBs could Cloak only 2-3 times in a row... just not true...

Tankqull · September 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

I am so tired of the claim stamina NBs could Cloak only 2-3 times in a row... just not true...

jip my stamblade can spam it 8x consecutively and 13 times if i´m able to cast it at the end of its duration while still beeing flagged incombat - once out of combat my manareg is greater than the mana consumtion.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

I am so tired of the claim stamina NBs could Cloak only 2-3 times in a row... just not true...

The "claim"? It's a fact. How much Magicka do you think NBs have to keep cloaking? We don't have a stamina morph for Cloak (which would be GREAT to have). You need to be a Magicka NB to keep applying cloak, I just hopped on my Stam-NB and tested it. I have nothing put into Magicka, 3 times in a row with a full bar of Magicka at VR16. Stop trying to dismiss something that is a fact and not an opinion. Stam-NBs are at their best for PVE AND PVP when having nothing but enough Health for Trials/DSA/Newer Vet Dungeons and the rest Stamina.

All Stam NBs have for Magicka (which Cloak and all of its morphs REQUIRE) is default. You may find some hybrids (which it sounds like even some NBs on these forums don't realize the difference between a real stam NB and a hybrid) out there but they are most likely only PVPing and not doing everything this game has to offer. ZOS can't cater to every single scenario and please everyone, so what they are doing is making counters to things and balancing this game out as they have been over time and will always be doing for as long as this game is being worked on. There are countless counters to Cloak, how many to Streak? I spam Streak all day using VR14 Seducer and VR12 Warlock.. 5pcs of each plus a ton of CP even WITH all of the changes to it (by all day I mean I could let loose a bunch of abilities on an enemy then hit a potion and streak all the way to a nice safe spot & then sneak or use an invis potion ---- which might I add is BETTER and more reliable than Cloak given it's duration and the fact you can have a speed boost in the same potion). With this update I didn't need to change any of my characters' gear except for my Stam Nightblade's.

Where's my Bolt Escape potion for my Nightblade? Ah that's right... the only class that has one of its most important abilities as invisibility, has a potion that lasts longer and works every single time I hit it.

ToRelax · September 2015

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

I am so tired of the claim stamina NBs could Cloak only 2-3 times in a row... just not true...

The "claim"? It's a fact. How much Magicka do you think NBs have to keep cloaking? We don't have a stamina morph for Cloak (which would be GREAT to have). You need to be a Magicka NB to keep applying cloak, I just hopped on my Stam-NB and tested it. I have nothing put into Magicka, 3 times in a row with a full bar of Magicka at VR16. Stop trying to dismiss something that is a fact and not an opinion. Stam-NBs are at their best for PVE AND PVP when having nothing but enough Health for Trials/DSA/Newer Vet Dungeons and the rest Stamina.

All Stam NBs have for Magicka (which Cloak and all of its morphs REQUIRE) is default. You may find some hybrids (which it sounds like even some NBs on these forums don't realize the difference between a real stam NB and a hybrid) out there but they are most likely only PVPing and not doing everything this game has to offer. ZOS can't cater to every single scenario and please everyone, so what they are doing is making counters to things and balancing this game out as they have been over time and will always be doing for as long as this game is being worked on. There are countless counters to Cloak, how many to Streak? I spam Streak all day using VR14 Seducer and VR12 Warlock.. 5pcs of each plus a ton of CP even WITH all of the changes to it (by all day I mean I could let loose a bunch of abilities on an enemy then hit a potion and streak all the way to a nice safe spot & then sneak or use an invis potion ---- which might I add is BETTER and more reliable than Cloak given it's duration and the fact you can have a speed boost in the same potion). With this update I didn't need to change any of my characters' gear except for my Stam Nightblade's.

Where's my Bolt Escape potion for my Nightblade? Ah that's right... the only class that has one of its most important abilities as invisibility, has a potion that lasts longer and works every single time I hit it.

Atronach + blue drinks + some cp in arcanist + refreshing shadows

Idk, with 2.1 it may be better to go for Serpent now. Either way, this gives a lot of magicka regen.

BalticBlues · September 2015

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

cloaking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Garion · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

cloaking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Lol .

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS, now that the Shieldbreaker set makes shielded Sorcs useless,
you may also give us a Cloakbreaker set to make cloaked NBs useless.

Cloak has been broken for quite a long time. Also, since most NBs seem prefer to go the Stam route (even though a Magicka NB is very powerful), you're talking 2-3 cloaks in a row which last mere seconds.

But you can go on your Sorc and use your Cloakbreaker.. it's called Caltrops, Lightning Form, Bolt Escape, and Lightning Splash. I'm not sure how you play your Sorc but a cloaked NB has never been a problem for mine... then again I don't rely on shield-stacking since it's a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

I am so tired of the claim stamina NBs could Cloak only 2-3 times in a row... just not true...

The "claim"? It's a fact. How much Magicka do you think NBs have to keep cloaking? We don't have a stamina morph for Cloak (which would be GREAT to have). You need to be a Magicka NB to keep applying cloak, I just hopped on my Stam-NB and tested it. I have nothing put into Magicka, 3 times in a row with a full bar of Magicka at VR16. Stop trying to dismiss something that is a fact and not an opinion. Stam-NBs are at their best for PVE AND PVP when having nothing but enough Health for Trials/DSA/Newer Vet Dungeons and the rest Stamina.

All Stam NBs have for Magicka (which Cloak and all of its morphs REQUIRE) is default. You may find some hybrids (which it sounds like even some NBs on these forums don't realize the difference between a real stam NB and a hybrid) out there but they are most likely only PVPing and not doing everything this game has to offer. ZOS can't cater to every single scenario and please everyone, so what they are doing is making counters to things and balancing this game out as they have been over time and will always be doing for as long as this game is being worked on. There are countless counters to Cloak, how many to Streak? I spam Streak all day using VR14 Seducer and VR12 Warlock.. 5pcs of each plus a ton of CP even WITH all of the changes to it (by all day I mean I could let loose a bunch of abilities on an enemy then hit a potion and streak all the way to a nice safe spot & then sneak or use an invis potion ---- which might I add is BETTER and more reliable than Cloak given it's duration and the fact you can have a speed boost in the same potion). With this update I didn't need to change any of my characters' gear except for my Stam Nightblade's.

Where's my Bolt Escape potion for my Nightblade? Ah that's right... the only class that has one of its most important abilities as invisibility, has a potion that lasts longer and works every single time I hit it.

Atronach + blue drinks + some cp in arcanist + refreshing shadows

Idk, with 2.1 it may be better to go for Serpent now. Either way, this gives a lot of magicka regen.

You must not have played a NB. No one wants to waste precious CP if using stam, on Magicka just to spam a very unreliable ability. Sure it's been fixed after how long? Most who have a NB still don't trust it and it still breaks when it's not supposed to from time to time. NBs have to keep invisibility potions on them, but guess what? So can all of the other classes.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

CP5 · September 2015

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

ThisOnePosts · September 2015

CP5 wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-stacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Learned this tactic from Deltia who is one of the best players worldwide and certainly not afraid of a fair fight. He said shield-stacking is needed, otherwise he gets killed too easily as a Sorc.

ViciousWayz wrote: »

shield-staacking is a tactic reserved for people afraid to have a fair fight.

Fixed this for you.

Devs, please also give us a Cloak Breaking set.
When people can't shield and can't cloak anymore, fights indeed may become fair.

Don't worry fixed again.... cloaking???? You really think cloak is a problem? AHAHAHHAHAHAAA... you sound very inexperienced. Oh Deltia said you must do it or get wrecked as a Sorc???? Oh okay... lmao. Deltia is a good player, and learning PVP still go ask and he'll tell you so himself.

Again, inexperience is your enemy. Go play each class to their fullest extent, then come back and tell me how Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape. It's not even close. Also there is a potion that does cloak better than the ability... longer duration, 0 need for magicka, works as intended always with no problems. Where's my bolt escape potion?

ZOS, give my Templar, NB, and DK a bolt escape potion!

Shield stacking = for the unskilled, now hopefully more people make the sacrifice of their current sets for the greater good and get shield breaker to give shield stackers everywhere a real fight and bring them back to the reality of how their skills REALLY are, without all of the shield stacking.

But the set penalizes anyone who uses any number of shields, and even those near shield users or who synergize with shield giving skills. It is a blanket nuking when a smaller more specific change would have, you know, worked a lot better.

No, it's not a nuking. People are still shielding like crazy and let's be honest you aren't worried about someone getting randomly shielded. You're worried about not being able to shield stack.

None of my regular group healers give a s*** whether there's a shield breaker set or not...they don't require shields to heal if they are suddenly faced with them.

It's a counter, to an abused game mechanic... that's all it is. And anyone doing it got off the hook very easily... this affects shield stackers more than anyone.. the longer you have shields spamming the longer you'll take 2k~ damage and that will add up over time... causing the shield stacker to either keep spamming shields, flee, or actually fight.