This guild trader system is so bad.

ontheleftcoast

I don't belong to any guild and I think the system is fine. I've got a pattern of maybe a dozen or so kiosks that I'll roam looking for stuff. Sure, I might not be getting the "absolutely lowest price" but I pay enough attention that I'm getting a reasonable one. I only need to buy stuff after I do multiple full gear overhauls for my toons that are leveling so maybe one a week I make the rounds looking for Rekuta's and epic tempers. I don't bother making legendary gear, it just isn't worth the cost in materials until you max out your level. And since VR14 will soon not be the max it will be a lo-o-o-o-ong time before I craft anymore gold items.

tist

Yeah I have hordes of V14 set gear form dolmens, dungeons etc I can't even sell. Trading system is a complete joke.

Malediktus

The current system is perfect, much better than a global auction house. It would ruin the economy.

Tolmos

tist wrote: »

Yeah I have hordes of V14 set gear form dolmens, dungeons etc I can't even sell.

How come? You can join multiple guilds, and trade guilds are constantly trying to invite new players to sell stuff on their store. Join 5-6 that have traders, or just pick one that has a trader in a major city, and post your stuff there. I'm confused on how you're somehow locked out of selling things >_>

Evergnar

The current system definitely needs improvements including more traders per city/area. It's really had a negative impact on some good trading guilds. Something isn't right when guild "x" can walk in and out bid a quality trading guild and then offer nothing but junk.

Tolmos

You know what would be useful? If our posts had "PC", "PS4", and "XBox" beside them. I just realized how vastly different of a beast this must be for console players, with their economy having been lopsided from day one. PC players probably transferred in vast wealth, or at least the ability to accumulate that wealth while console players were still low level, and twisted the whole guild trader system into knots.

I'm over here saying "I love this system!" cause I'm on PC. I have no idea what it looks like on console.

dabulls7491

Adding more traders and changing the way bids are won would be ideal. For example, guilds bid on a city (Mournhold for example) then the top x bids get traders. Instead of bidding per kiosk.

ArchGrizzlyOp

They must be robbing banks lol

Mighty_oakk

On console the whole pc transfer thing didnt help. Most of the big trade guilds are run by pc transfers who brought over endless resources. I remember asking my gm a few weeks after release if he had any of some gold mat and he said ya man I've got 1000s. Geee I wonder if they sell gold?

A text trade channel would be so nice

Bacon

I've done a fair amount of buying too. Yes, it can be tedious and frustrating to search all of Tamriel for something and not find it. I still need a Fishy Stick recipe I've been searching for, for weeks. I'll find it eventually. There is nothing in this game you absolutely have to have NOW. Keep searching, it will be out there someplace or you will find it while questing.

At least on console a lot of things seem to still be fairly rare and expensive. Provisioning/Alchemy ingredients sell out fast. The price of crafting mats is all over the board but there is a lot of it out there. I think this will even out given some time as more people collect more items to sell.

A few more traders would be nice but it isn't really necessary. I still find stores that are basically empty. There is no trading in this forum but check out esotrade.proboards.com/ and maybe someone will help you find what you need.

ThisOnePosts

I do actually like the Guild Trader system. If they had some way to integrate KEEPING that system along with a central Auction house that would be cool..maybe limit what could be placed on the Auction House and impose a fee when purchasing from it as well as a higher fee when selling on it.

However, if they do keep the Guild Trader in place, I'm perfectly okay with that. Sure at times I do miss a regular auction house but it does keep things interesting. Now a dedicated Trade channel other than Zone chat, there's no reason why that shouldn't be made available.

LEGENDARYYY

This again...

I'll copy paste my previous responses to the exact same discussion.

The system works perfectly. The issue is with the GMs. If your guild is bad at generating money then why bid in capitols???? These places aint for you then. Capitols are pretty lucrative and good trading guilds should have a spot there. 280K bid is nothing when well run guilds can earn 700K in taxes there alone per week. Start small, then build your guild into something good.

I run 1 Craglorn trading guild, 1 Mournhold trading guild and 1 Ebonheart trading guild. I failed many times when I first started. I started with about 20K g personally. Now, I lose a trader for one of those three guilds maybe once every 2nd month. So, learn from mistakes, invest some time into it and stop thinking everything should be EASY. It takes hard work and running trading guilds is actually the most rewarding part of this game.

and

Theres 1 solution to your problems. Bid higher. There is NO reason to keep a lot of money in guild bank until you've made your competitors afraid of you.

You say your guild profits? Why don't you use that profit to secure a stable spot. Bid much more than usual in a new place. A stable spot wil slowly increase sales, stabilize your guild, get more members and make you stronger in time. You run negative in the beginning, but it'll reward you later.

Example: I bid 800-900K weekly in Mournhold with my guild PVT for 5 weeks. Normal bids were 400k there at the time. We lost money early, of course, but with donations we made it work. Slowly we got more and more good traders because of our stable spot and dedicated recruiting. Guilds stopped trying to take our spot cus they couldn't, shouldn't and instead they targeted the other traders. Guess what? Within 1 month we earned 700K only in taxes weekly from sales. WIth donations we earned a lot of money. Then, when we were dominating the place, selling twice as much as any other guild there, I could put variety to my bids. Be unpredictable. Bid 400k one week, 800k the next. Build guild bank, become wealthy as ***. Within a few more weeks we went to Craglorn, using the same tactic, been there for 3 weeks, and in time, there's nothing stopping us.

You can whine all you want about the system, but instead you could learn it and love it.

Edit: Now I've had PVT in Craglorn for 6 weeks without losing trader. 3 more weeks has passed since the post I pasted here.

Spearshard

There is nothing I hate more than alternating two hours hiring every guild kiosk trying to find a specific item. If they don't want to have an AH fine. But for the live if good would it hurt to have a search feature?

QuadroTony

QueenAyrenn wrote: »

Bids for some traders are getting close to one million. That is insane. Without a good guild trader, nobody can compete with those numbers, and it's becoming impossible to get a good guild trader.

Is there any word yet on when we'll finally get an auction house? This system is a headache, and a hassle.

its a best system ever

and i saw 4m bids
not so much for top trading guilds

Thymos

I quite enjoy the current system, and have yet to have a dry week of selling. I even sell to non-guildies through the trader. One of the addons I have will tell me who bought my stuff, and it's fun when you see someone buy up 3 to 5 of my listings, and they're not on the guild roster.

Psychobunni

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

This again...

I'll copy paste my previous responses to the exact same discussion.

The system works perfectly. The issue is with the GMs. If your guild is bad at generating money then why bid in capitols???? These places aint for you then. Capitols are pretty lucrative and good trading guilds should have a spot there. 280K bid is nothing when well run guilds can earn 700K in taxes there alone per week. Start small, then build your guild into something good.

I run 1 Craglorn trading guild, 1 Mournhold trading guild and 1 Ebonheart trading guild. I failed many times when I first started. I started with about 20K g personally. Now, I lose a trader for one of those three guilds maybe once every 2nd month. So, learn from mistakes, invest some time into it and stop thinking everything should be EASY. It takes hard work and running trading guilds is actually the most rewarding part of this game.

and

Theres 1 solution to your problems. Bid higher. There is NO reason to keep a lot of money in guild bank until you've made your competitors afraid of you.

You say your guild profits? Why don't you use that profit to secure a stable spot. Bid much more than usual in a new place. A stable spot wil slowly increase sales, stabilize your guild, get more members and make you stronger in time. You run negative in the beginning, but it'll reward you later.

Example: I bid 800-900K weekly in Mournhold with my guild PVT for 5 weeks. Normal bids were 400k there at the time. We lost money early, of course, but with donations we made it work. Slowly we got more and more good traders because of our stable spot and dedicated recruiting. Guilds stopped trying to take our spot cus they couldn't, shouldn't and instead they targeted the other traders. Guess what? Within 1 month we earned 700K only in taxes weekly from sales. WIth donations we earned a lot of money. Then, when we were dominating the place, selling twice as much as any other guild there, I could put variety to my bids. Be unpredictable. Bid 400k one week, 800k the next. Build guild bank, become wealthy as ***. Within a few more weeks we went to Craglorn, using the same tactic, been there for 3 weeks, and in time, there's nothing stopping us.

You can whine all you want about the system, but instead you could learn it and love it.

Edit: Now I've had PVT in Craglorn for 6 weeks without losing trader. 3 more weeks has passed since the post I pasted here.

That is all well and fine, but I have yet to see TOP location GM's complain about the system...with the exception of losing a bid and supposed "spies", kinda the same way you will never see Walmart complain about putting the little guys/grocery stores out of business....OFC YOU think the system is just fine


That has nothing to do with how much time a random buyer *not* trying to work the system has to spend searching for items, traveling (lets not even say "well addons help" since consoles don't have them)

The system can be improved upon.

QuadroTony

but the system will not be improved

Psychobunni

QuadroTony wrote: »

but the system will not be improved

Players said that about the UI...winds of change are coming

ZOS said this was a sub game...winds of change came

Nothing is in stone

Tholian1

It should be improved. I understand that certain sellers don't want buyers to have the ability to easily compare prices, but at this point, I would be happy with just a search function that would point me to the traders that are offering the goods I am looking for while omitting the prices. I would be willing to do the rest of the leg work to find a deal if that was what I was trying to do.

Dkudo

If people like the current system then an easy solution is to cap bids and guilds who meet said bid would be placed in a raffle for the spot. This way every guild would have a chance

FelixTheCatt

Improved? Far as I'm concerned there is no trading system at all in this game. If this is supposed to be the way to sell/buy items in this game , it's a sad joke. Guess I am one of those that just won't contribute to a broken failed system. Just keep vendoring as opposed to selling on some idiotic guild trader.

Spearshard

Tholian1 wrote: »

It should be improved. I understand that certain sellers don't want buyers to have the ability to easily compare prices, but at this point, I would be happy with just a search function that would point me to the traders that are offering the goods I am looking for while omitting the prices. I would be willing to do the rest of the leg work to find a deal if that was what I was trying to do.

This, 1000x this. I'll go to the kiosk to compare prices, just tell me which one has what I'm looking for. Instead of "well, guess that was two hours wasted."

Sykis

It's no different then going to the store now. If you shop for speed then prepare to spend more. If you shop for the best price expect it to take longer. That's how I see it. It's like shopping not 15 years ago before everything had a web site or Amazon. I like the mini game that is built by the system. I do wish there was a search engin but not for every trader in the world just one where I can search that trader for a specific item. I'm not always looking for a range of items sometimes I'm looking for a specific item and scrolling through everything is kind of tiresom and a search pan would be like asking the trader "do you have any potatoes?"

Troneon

It's a real pain for both selling and buying especially without addons.

Can't stand it.

This and LFG tool should be their highest priority.

Kammakazi

Where is the Grand Exchange? (RS lel)

Pointblank08

Luckily ive been fortunate enough to have always been in a traders guild right off the bat on ps4. we always have our Kiosk. Like others have mentioned raffles help alot with this. How my guild does it is a ticket is worth -1k, 75% of the total goes to kiosk and the rest ( along with items ) get handed out as raffle prizes. We all also have to have all 30 slots filled with items daily and be selling ( so no worthless items just to take up space basically ) and almost everyone contributes.....i try to do what i can.I maybe donate around 5-8k a day, which seems to be the average but alot of our members will do it in 40-70k incriments.

Anyways if you want a kiosk and keep it( let alone prime location ) , I cant see you doing it without a real guild focused on trading.

Reverb

You think that "almost a million" is bad? Report back in 6-months and let us know what traders in major cities are going for.

Also, I'm disappointed that there has been no mention of Auction Horse. Paging @Gidorick

Gidorick

You want an auction house? Well I say neigh... you want an Auction HORSE!



Thanks for the summons @Reverb.

Ysne58

Gidorick wrote: »

You want an auction house? Well I say neigh... you want an Auction HORSE!



Thanks for the summons @Reverb.

I still think you should call it an Auction Pack Guar.

Elsonso

Divinius wrote: »

Notice that all the people saying "the current system is fine" are people looking to SELL their stuff.

The concept is fine, the execution needs to be fine tuned.

Yes, I am a seller, but I am also a buyer. I am a frequent buyer of recipes and other supplies needed to complete my writs. I have not had any trouble find the recipes, but you can't just randomly pick kiosks. Some guilds are better at stocking everyday stuff.

I make sure i note the guild that I am buying from and where they are. I try to go back to them when I can. One of the improvements needed for guilds in general is a way to find out where a guild has their trader. This would be great as part of a directory of guilds that we could use to find and join guilds.

It also helps to find a large guild with an active store to become a member of. Often times the best place to shop is at home.