This guild trader system is so bad.

Sylvyr

The trader system is "different".

I guess that makes it good because it's not the typical AH?

It's great for roleplayers and browsing shoppers. They enjoy the immersion. If they spend 3 hours going from trader to trader it's all gravy.

If you just want to get 'er done. It's hurdle after hurdle. You would see the current system as a pain in the behind.

it's too bad they can't accommodate for both styles.

DenMoria

Eriquito3 wrote: »

On consoles you can literally find nothing in the guild traders.

The system is trash

Now now... Let's not blame the system. We haven't had ESO on consoles for very long so we probably don't have all that much in the way of inventory.

I shouldn't talk though since I almost never go to a kiosk. I just use my guild bank and leave it at that. 450K for a fish recipe is just insane to me.

Tandor

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the most important aspect of the suggestion !

It's high time ZOS started an official discussion on this. That would have various benefits, not least that it would indicate that they considered the subject open to discussion. Their complete silence on the future of a system that is either totally broken or at least in need of some changes, depending on your point of view, must be extremely frustrating to an awful lot of players.

As for your suggested replacement system, it sounds very reminiscent of EQ's Bazaar. Let's hope that if it was adopted here it would be easier to navigate!

Why does ZOS have to start an official discussion? Start it unofficially, and put your ideas in it an help to create discussion. If it's really a big deal and they're interested, it will become the location and will catch their attention. It's been done before.

Because they have ignored the issue since extending the trader system after the initial criticisms at launch, and if there was an official discussion it would indicate a willingness on their part to look afresh at the whole trading system. They could explain in more detail any technical constraints arising from the megaserver implementation. The discussion does not have to be just about an auction house versus the present trader system, there are other ways of operating a trading system that is open to all.

There have been unofficial discussions aplenty these past many months and ZOS take no notice of them, despite it being very clear that very few players like the present system as it is and most either want it improved or replaced. This topic is raised constantly, and the need for some action is more pressing now that the console version is live and lacks the ability to help reduce the limitations of the trading system through the use of addons. I'd like to see ZOS acknowledge that the present system only works for a small percentage of players, and take the initiative in discussing how it can be improved. I think that's a reasonable request.

Psychobunni

Tandor wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the most important aspect of the suggestion !

It's high time ZOS started an official discussion on this. That would have various benefits, not least that it would indicate that they considered the subject open to discussion. Their complete silence on the future of a system that is either totally broken or at least in need of some changes, depending on your point of view, must be extremely frustrating to an awful lot of players.

As for your suggested replacement system, it sounds very reminiscent of EQ's Bazaar. Let's hope that if it was adopted here it would be easier to navigate!

Everyone could send @ZOS_RichLambert a request to start a topic of "ideas for future improvement of the current trade system" explaining firmly it is not a move to AH, guarantee of any improvements, etc, etc

He appears to be your best bet for any back and forth communication, any maybe, just maybe.....with enough requests it could happen

Eriquito3

DenMoria wrote: »

Eriquito3 wrote: »

On consoles you can literally find nothing in the guild traders.

The system is trash

Now now... Let's not blame the system. We haven't had ESO on consoles for very long so we probably don't have all that much in the way of inventory.

I shouldn't talk though since I almost never go to a kiosk. I just use my guild bank and leave it at that. 450K for a fish recipe is just insane to me.

It's the game systems fault when I go to 5 different guild traders .... looking for cotton and not only be unable to find cotton, but literally find no item listed in any of the traders.

An auction house would be much better.

Victus

No thanks, I really enjoy the current system.

jackiemanuel

I'm making a ton of gold off this system but understand the complaints. If i wasn't in multiple successful trading guilds it would be nightmarish, and i still have the issue of spending a bunch of time traveling from kiosk to kiosk to find items i'm looking for. But, because i am making a ton of gold off this system i'm not complaining.

kyrowski

There really needs to be an overhaul of the whole system starting with the mail notifications. Who bought what and from which guild? At the moment I don't know which guilds are working and which I am receiving expired items from. Of course I could sit down with a spreadsheet and monitor it all rather than adventuring!

In the future I would really like to see housing with build in stores but for now how about trade markets? Each map could have a market with say 30 -50 traders and everyone could access them to sell / buy goods. Maybe make the more prominent traders (near the wayshrine) would cost more to list your goods and perhaps each trader only sells one type of product e.g. light armour, provisions, weapons etc.

Eriquito3

jackiemanuel wrote: »

I'm making a ton of gold off this system but understand the complaints. If i wasn't in multiple successful trading guilds it would be nightmarish, and i still have the issue of spending a bunch of time traveling from kiosk to kiosk to find items i'm looking for. But, because i am making a ton of gold off this system i'm not complaining.

Imagine making more than you are right now, but without all the extra teaveling.

That's what you will get from an auction house.

Gamertaglemieux

Sallington wrote: »

I like the current system so much better than a central auction house.

Yes, I agree.

Central auction is too boring and not interactive.

Gamertaglemieux

QueenAyrenn wrote: »

Bids for some traders are getting close to one million. That is insane. Without a good guild trader, nobody can compete with those numbers, and it's becoming impossible to get a good guild trader.

Is there any word yet on when we'll finally get an auction house? This system is a headache, and a hassle.

If you think that price is bad? Having a central auction house would jack up soooo many items into million gold range it would be miserable.

Having the guild trader system as it is honestly helps prevent seeing items go for outrageous prices constantly.

Eriquito3

Gamertaglemieux wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

I like the current system so much better than a central auction house.

Yes, I agree.

Central auction is too boring and not interactive.

Lol what?

BlueGreenMikey

TyCobbBA365 wrote: »

What are people selling to get a decent amount of gold?

I'm level 45 with my only character and the only thing I sell are recipes that I have already learned. I sell a green recipe for 300 gold each. I'm working on my blacksmithing so I'm deconstructing pretty much everything that I find and I'm learning the motifs that I find.

I tend not to deconstruct blue/purple/gold weapons and armor that I find, instead selling them on the trader for a pretty good sum. Although I only sell my green recipes for 300-400, if you get enough of those in a day, that can start adding up. You can sell blue/purple recipes for pretty extravagant costs, especially since it's easy to get numerous ones before you get to a point where you can actually use them. (I sell my blue/purple recipes even if I don't already know them.)

For a while, motifs made a crapton of money, but then the market got flooded, but you can still make decent money on it. Potions/food/drinks are low dollar, but they always seem to get purchased at my traders. I always seem to have extra soul gems, and those sell too for decent money.

Really, I've been able to sell almost anything. The primary thing I can't ever really seem to sell? Anything related to enchanting.

wraith808

Tandor wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the most important aspect of the suggestion !

It's high time ZOS started an official discussion on this. That would have various benefits, not least that it would indicate that they considered the subject open to discussion. Their complete silence on the future of a system that is either totally broken or at least in need of some changes, depending on your point of view, must be extremely frustrating to an awful lot of players.

As for your suggested replacement system, it sounds very reminiscent of EQ's Bazaar. Let's hope that if it was adopted here it would be easier to navigate!

Why does ZOS have to start an official discussion? Start it unofficially, and put your ideas in it an help to create discussion. If it's really a big deal and they're interested, it will become the location and will catch their attention. It's been done before.

Because they have ignored the issue since extending the trader system after the initial criticisms at launch, and if there was an official discussion it would indicate a willingness on their part to look afresh at the whole trading system. They could explain in more detail any technical constraints arising from the megaserver implementation. The discussion does not have to be just about an auction house versus the present trader system, there are other ways of operating a trading system that is open to all.

There have been unofficial discussions aplenty these past many months and ZOS take no notice of them, despite it being very clear that very few players like the present system as it is and most either want it improved or replaced. This topic is raised constantly, and the need for some action is more pressing now that the console version is live and lacks the ability to help reduce the limitations of the trading system through the use of addons. I'd like to see ZOS acknowledge that the present system only works for a small percentage of players, and take the initiative in discussing how it can be improved. I think that's a reasonable request.

@Tandor - and how do you know that they haven't taken notice? That's why I like the /lurk posts of @ZOS_RichLambert. It's a way to let us know that they are listening, without getting into the specifics nor the conversations that take away from them doing what we all want them to do... make a better game. But as most of these conversations were before that happened, we can't say for sure that they aren't looking, paying attention, nor have plans that just can't be discussed right now.

They have problems on several fronts, and just because they don't attack this particular one currently doesn't mean it's not on the medium to long term radar.

Brrrofski

Chillic wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Why do people expectceverything at their feet? If you need something that bad you'll look for it. Who said everything has to be easy?

This is the case for playing the game, not for buying goods. If I want realism, I'll go to Target. I want to spend the time I have to play a game to actually play a game. There is a reason they don't have something in their trailer like "Embark on an epic journey to find common materials". I don't care if its an AH or the current system is improved but what we have now is trash.

But buying things to improve your character is playing the game. You're doing something to either improve stats or aesthetics of yourself. Why shouldn't it take time?

Brrrofski

k2blader wrote: »

Agree, the guild trader system is the pits.

The only people you see defending it are those who most benefit from it, i.e. folks in monopolistic trading guilds.

There should be any easy way for anyone to sell items to the general public without having to join a trade guild that always has a guild trader in Rawlkha and/or Eldenroot.

Well I like the system and we just lost a trader. You can still sell and trade in zone chat. I do it all the time. If anything, you get netter deals. People will take money there and then over maybe getting a bit more in a week

SugaComa

QueenAyrenn wrote: »

Bids for some traders are getting close to one million. That is insane. Without a good guild trader, nobody can compete with those numbers, and it's becoming impossible to get a good guild trader.

Is there any word yet on when we'll finally get an auction house? This system is a headache, and a hassle.

Not really that bad a system, either members of the guild donate to keep it going or the guild folds

More guilds fold the cheaper prices for guild merchants will be ... But thosendolded guilded from the merchant bidding can still trade with its own members by going to the nearest bank.

Those wanting to advertise what they're selling to get better tax returns can always use http://esotradingpost.uk

BlueGreenMikey

Brrrofski wrote: »

Well I like the system and we just lost a trader. You can still sell and trade in zone chat. I do it all the time. If anything, you get netter deals. People will take money there and then over maybe getting a bit more in a week

Consoles don't have zone or text chat, so this is not much of a feasible option.

Zsymon

I really wish there was a proper auction house.

The reason every single MMO has an auction house, is because it is a good thing that works very well. I have no idea why ZOS tried to fix something that wasn't broken.

Tandor

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the most important aspect of the suggestion !

It's high time ZOS started an official discussion on this. That would have various benefits, not least that it would indicate that they considered the subject open to discussion. Their complete silence on the future of a system that is either totally broken or at least in need of some changes, depending on your point of view, must be extremely frustrating to an awful lot of players.

As for your suggested replacement system, it sounds very reminiscent of EQ's Bazaar. Let's hope that if it was adopted here it would be easier to navigate!

Why does ZOS have to start an official discussion? Start it unofficially, and put your ideas in it an help to create discussion. If it's really a big deal and they're interested, it will become the location and will catch their attention. It's been done before.

Because they have ignored the issue since extending the trader system after the initial criticisms at launch, and if there was an official discussion it would indicate a willingness on their part to look afresh at the whole trading system. They could explain in more detail any technical constraints arising from the megaserver implementation. The discussion does not have to be just about an auction house versus the present trader system, there are other ways of operating a trading system that is open to all.

There have been unofficial discussions aplenty these past many months and ZOS take no notice of them, despite it being very clear that very few players like the present system as it is and most either want it improved or replaced. This topic is raised constantly, and the need for some action is more pressing now that the console version is live and lacks the ability to help reduce the limitations of the trading system through the use of addons. I'd like to see ZOS acknowledge that the present system only works for a small percentage of players, and take the initiative in discussing how it can be improved. I think that's a reasonable request.

@Tandor - and how do you know that they haven't taken notice? That's why I like the /lurk posts of @ZOS_RichLambert. It's a way to let us know that they are listening, without getting into the specifics nor the conversations that take away from them doing what we all want them to do... make a better game. But as most of these conversations were before that happened, we can't say for sure that they aren't looking, paying attention, nor have plans that just can't be discussed right now.

They have problems on several fronts, and just because they don't attack this particular one currently doesn't mean it's not on the medium to long term radar.

Because they've never responded to any kind of topic about it, despite the frequency of such topics, and whenever they have addressed a question about it on ESO Live they have replied to the effect that there won't be an auction house without giving any indication that they are considering the issue beyond that simple conclusion.

However, it goes without saying that if they were to respond here and confirm that they are taking notice and planning on doing something about it then I would of course be delighted!

wraith808

Tandor wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

You obviously didn't read the most important aspect of the suggestion !

It's high time ZOS started an official discussion on this. That would have various benefits, not least that it would indicate that they considered the subject open to discussion. Their complete silence on the future of a system that is either totally broken or at least in need of some changes, depending on your point of view, must be extremely frustrating to an awful lot of players.

As for your suggested replacement system, it sounds very reminiscent of EQ's Bazaar. Let's hope that if it was adopted here it would be easier to navigate!

Why does ZOS have to start an official discussion? Start it unofficially, and put your ideas in it an help to create discussion. If it's really a big deal and they're interested, it will become the location and will catch their attention. It's been done before.

Because they have ignored the issue since extending the trader system after the initial criticisms at launch, and if there was an official discussion it would indicate a willingness on their part to look afresh at the whole trading system. They could explain in more detail any technical constraints arising from the megaserver implementation. The discussion does not have to be just about an auction house versus the present trader system, there are other ways of operating a trading system that is open to all.

There have been unofficial discussions aplenty these past many months and ZOS take no notice of them, despite it being very clear that very few players like the present system as it is and most either want it improved or replaced. This topic is raised constantly, and the need for some action is more pressing now that the console version is live and lacks the ability to help reduce the limitations of the trading system through the use of addons. I'd like to see ZOS acknowledge that the present system only works for a small percentage of players, and take the initiative in discussing how it can be improved. I think that's a reasonable request.

@Tandor - and how do you know that they haven't taken notice? That's why I like the /lurk posts of @ZOS_RichLambert. It's a way to let us know that they are listening, without getting into the specifics nor the conversations that take away from them doing what we all want them to do... make a better game. But as most of these conversations were before that happened, we can't say for sure that they aren't looking, paying attention, nor have plans that just can't be discussed right now.

They have problems on several fronts, and just because they don't attack this particular one currently doesn't mean it's not on the medium to long term radar.

Because they've never responded to any kind of topic about it, despite the frequency of such topics, and whenever they have addressed a question about it on ESO Live they have replied to the effect that there won't be an auction house without giving any indication that they are considering the issue beyond that simple conclusion.

However, it goes without saying that if they were to respond here and confirm that they are taking notice and planning on doing something about it then I would of course be delighted!

That's my point. A lack of response doesn't mean that they aren't and don't take note, in any way. But it seems that not getting an interactive response is the same in your estimation as not paying attention? I can see both sides of interacting and not, and personally, I fall on the side of not interacting and just taking it in other than in specific cases. I've seen too many times when devs get involved in the day to day, and that ends up badly as it's not an equal conversation in cases where emotions and opinions get involved.

It's pretty obvious with the new way of putting lurk and such that they are paying attention, and I'd dare say that they always have. You shouldn't have to rely on a response to give feedback, IMO. If you're that passionate about it, start the conversation and keep it on the radar.

Austacker

Psychobunni wrote: »

Everyone could send @ZOS_RichLambert a request to start a topic of "ideas for future improvement of the current trade system" explaining firmly it is not a move to AH, guarantee of any improvements, etc, etc

He appears to be your best bet for any back and forth communication, any maybe, just maybe.....with enough requests it could happen

You know what's more likely to happen?

People will just quit the game instead.

Sadly, most of my friends are starting to feel the same way now they're hitting end game.

OzJohnD

Does no one realise that a universal auction house for the number of active players would be impossible to code with the current technology ?

you think you got lag now !?

Psychobunni

Austacker wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

Everyone could send @ZOS_RichLambert a request to start a topic of "ideas for future improvement of the current trade system" explaining firmly it is not a move to AH, guarantee of any improvements, etc, etc

He appears to be your best bet for any back and forth communication, any maybe, just maybe.....with enough requests it could happen

You know what's more likely to happen?

People will just quit the game instead.

Sadly, most of my friends are starting to feel the same way now they're hitting end game.

I've watched lots of people quit too. In fact the only person I started with from PC launch that I still play with is my husband

To me, this is one of those problems that has been masked and set aside because of the availability of addons to duct tape it. I had hoped that with console coming, players would be more vocal rather than just give up since it couldn't be duct taped for you guys...and that finally we (players and ZOS) could have a real go at *improving* the system.

They do listen, UI options players have asked for are finally starting to trickle in and I truly believe the console requests are pushing it, no matter how long it seems to have taken from the player pov.

Or maybe I just have a hard time giving up lol

Tholian1

OzJohnD wrote: »

Does no one realise that a universal auction house for the number of active players would be impossible to code with the current technology ?

you think you got lag now !?

Make it so.

Loomis

Yes it is the absolute worse auction house design in any mmo EVER... Name one worse

On a bright note ... ESO is a great game besides that and a few other things

Simzani

Zenimax online refuse to etablish an economy for their game. It is just another annoyance that makes people quit.

RSram

RavenSkylord wrote: »

I have no problem with the current system. But getting a trader has gotten out of hand, they need to up the number of locations to compensate, shouldn't be to difficult to do, seems many locations were intended for more spots but abandoned for some reason, that or allow traders to carry multiple guilds, say top 3 at each. Regardless its becoming too much for new guilds to have a chance

I agree. I think every way shrine should have several guild stores next to them like in the main cities.

sadownik

OzJohnD wrote: »

Does no one realise that a universal auction house for the number of active players would be impossible to code with the current technology ?

you think you got lag now !?

Well GW2 seems to work this out though.

Castile

The list of reasons the trader system is fundamentally broken is long, complicated, and has been repeatedly outlined by many, many players. I guess that's all I can really say. At this point all I can see it as is one of the two gold sinks in this game... And again it is fundamentally broken in that aspect as well. More gold is likely diminished via repairs in two days than is diminished in a week of trader bidding, yet the traders only consume gold from a fraction of the community resulting in some pretty unfair loss to a handful of people merely attempting to maintain this wreck of an item dispersement system.