Is ESO PVP dying?

Etaniel

I haven't decided yet / I have hope

Vis wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

It takes way too much time to find small scale PvP atm, it's discouraging... And when you find some, you usually get overrun by a zerg, or a friendly zerg comes and ruins the fight. You can also get instagibbed, because hey : why should I have an interesting fight with an opponent and defeat him through superior skill, when I can oneshot him from stealth and grab my hard earned AP lolz

The two go hand in hand. Fast kills are critical for a solo'er because one of two things will happen, your zerg will roll him or his zerg will steal your AP. You would see less pure dps ganking builds too if less people thought it was "skill" to perma-block while spamming heals/bubble waiting for their iWin ult/dps combos.

Just saying, the evolution is driven from both ends of the spectrum.

@Vis
I've been playing a solo build since release that doesnt require huge burst damage, I try to outsustain my opponents. And no, it doesn't just involve permablocking. It involves being able to tank, but also being able to be aggressive and force your opponent to waste his ressources by healing/trying to escape. It used to be viable because I couldn't get oneshot and I could take multiple people at once if they didn't know what they were doing.

Vis

No

Etaniel wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

It takes way too much time to find small scale PvP atm, it's discouraging... And when you find some, you usually get overrun by a zerg, or a friendly zerg comes and ruins the fight. You can also get instagibbed, because hey : why should I have an interesting fight with an opponent and defeat him through superior skill, when I can oneshot him from stealth and grab my hard earned AP lolz

The two go hand in hand. Fast kills are critical for a solo'er because one of two things will happen, your zerg will roll him or his zerg will steal your AP. You would see less pure dps ganking builds too if less people thought it was "skill" to perma-block while spamming heals/bubble waiting for their iWin ult/dps combos.

Just saying, the evolution is driven from both ends of the spectrum.

@Vis
I've been playing a solo build since release that doesnt require huge burst damage, I try to outsustain my opponents.

Exactly my point. Good luck finding 1v1s where you have the time to "out-sustain" your opponent before his or your zerg shows up. Otherwise, accept the reality of the zergs, adapt to making fights faster, and collect AP. Pure dps builds evolved because longer sustain fights have been harder to find than ever before.

Lexxypwns

No

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

Kilandros

Yes

We'll continue to lose top players and top guilds if the awful game performance in pvp continues. This game becomes literally unplayable at peak hours on populated campaigns. That's embarrassing for a AAA game title.

drzycki_ESO

No

It's still tons of fun..except for the lag. Please fix the lag.

SirMaxwellWood

Yes

Pvp is my favourite thing in this game so sucks its already dieing they need to put in more contnent and not pve content. Also have some of the few dead campaigns close or merge or something and give better stuff or promo for the alliances with least population. Just not much fun when one alliance always wins or one alliance is hardly in fight. Like i said pvp is my favourite but most campaigns....

Minno

Kova wrote: »

I think PVP as we understand it is dying. After playing in the IC, I've got to say there was a lot more cooperation between the factions than I expected. Those bosses are pretty difficult for non-PVErs, and going in with PVE gear will most likely get you killed. So there is a big balance between players. The TTK increase has forced cooperation to take down decent players and the "release" revive system has you back in the fight in seconds. The reward/loss system is interesting and is a lot like gambling. Sure you might be a good player, but a NB kiting a boss to you and picking you off when you're low health means a loss of your precious stones. Surviving groups is easier with all the buildings and ground cover; I've lost quite a few players by ducking under staircases. Then there are the safe zones in which you can see and be near enemy players, but both are protected as long as you are in the area.

It's a different game.

It's that different game that makes it exciting. A new learning curve that requires additional attention towards lag fixes and class balanes and eventually a test on live where the zergs will be in one place followed by a hotfix and review.

This update will make or break the game.

SturgeHammer

No

TheBull

No

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Everyday 3 lock AZ, 3 lock BW,

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

It is on PC too with the 3 hour out of 24 hour lag. These people are nuts.

Minno

Vis wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

It takes way too much time to find small scale PvP atm, it's discouraging... And when you find some, you usually get overrun by a zerg, or a friendly zerg comes and ruins the fight. You can also get instagibbed, because hey : why should I have an interesting fight with an opponent and defeat him through superior skill, when I can oneshot him from stealth and grab my hard earned AP lolz

The two go hand in hand. Fast kills are critical for a solo'er because one of two things will happen, your zerg will roll him or his zerg will steal your AP. You would see less pure dps ganking builds too if less people thought it was "skill" to perma-block while spamming heals/bubble waiting for their iWin ult/dps combos.

Just saying, the evolution is driven from both ends of the spectrum.

@Vis
I've been playing a solo build since release that doesnt require huge burst damage, I try to outsustain my opponents.

Exactly my point. Good luck finding 1v1s where you have the time to "out-sustain" your opponent before his or your zerg shows up. Otherwise, accept the reality of the zergs, adapt to making fights faster, and collect AP. Pure dps builds evolved because longer sustain fights have been harder to find than ever before.

The 1v1 will happen but more often the fights will be pug vs pug in an effort to get quests done. You will need the huge pvp Zergs and guilds to do the following:

1) combat other pvp Zergs. If lag happens, pve or solo players should move to a section over.

2) lock out factions via normal cyro map

3) clear gankers.

Solo players will prob do the following:

1)scout, call Inc, etc. The eyes for the zerg, inadvertently.

2) be the currency, hold the tel var stones and farm mats

3) group up in pug format if pvp Zergs aren't online.

4) gank!!! Deny the other factions their pve glory! Pve can now stop other guilds from obtaining the best gear so leader rankings in trials become less speed and more dark botherhood-esque espionage.

We already started to see at least some of these on the PTS. They just need to solve the following:

1) major lag if any (especially from new players waiting for this to drop)

2) tel var stones being stolen from your bank by pve kills?

3) better maps or clickable links to see areas next to the area you are in. People are going to get lost and cry in zone. At least a more interactive map will help us to just say " see adjacent map". Maybe it's unlockable after you enter the area to promote fog of war etc. (Just an idea)

tinythinker

Ryuho wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

IC looks promising, but I have little faith in the players of this game, who have a tendency to look for safety in numbers and zerg all day.

Yup, the fact you lose stones to other players when they kill you and ...yup....zerg it up is my prediction for the IPC.

See those blobs in Cyrodiil? the ones that cause lag, they will be coming to the IPC at launch....how is ZOS going to deal with them?

The PTS is a lag and crash fest most of the time now, if this is any indication of whats to come for live then this should be lovely.

yes agree.. maybe only solution is to allow 4 ppls grp inside, add some auto grp disband fuction if u are above 4 grp members.. they said small scale, so make it small scale.. but even not grped, they still will follow the mass, so probably won't work. bleh..

Maybe make the major district bosses scale number of adds summoned/damage of boss scale to number of players in its area of reaction/aggro range?

For every player over ten increase the damage of the boss attacks by 2%.

Fifteen players in range=10% more damage.
Twenty players in range=20% more damage.
Twenty-five players in range=30% more damage.
Thirty players in range=40% more damage.

Given how hard the sweeper bosses hit already, big groups (with healing in Cyro being nerfed) would not fare well.

CMG138

Yes

I said yes because of the balance issues that this game is still having, and those damn endless damage shields. Every major update we see leads to another cookie cutter build and gives old builds a disadvantage. But maybe I'm just not that good at PvP because I don't have 10 hours a day to dedicate to it.

Edit: The "buff" servers don't help the situation either. I understand that ZoS is trying to fix this issue, but the only way I can think of is have PvP buffs only apply to that server, and no other ones. Going further into it, I'd say split up Cyrodiil into many sections and have the capacity be smaller, so every campaign isn't the same map, instead every server is fighting for a different section of Cyrodiil and have them all be the same amount of time. You may win your campaign, but that doesn't mean that you've won the war if your faction doesn't control most of the campaigns. Granted, this would make PvP a bit more complex and actually require more cooridination, so I don't see it happening. Oh, and don't allow people to switch campaigns until the one they're in ends.

Ezareth

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Exactly.

The reality is not difficult to recognize. I'd love to go back in time to the glory days of ESO, but those times have passed.

Even the trade guilds are dying....

Darlgon

Ya know.. some in my AvA guild have gone to three different PVP games since launch... and somehow, we keep coming back here because the other devs screw up their games worse. Part of me says that the wandering eye is the "grass is always greener" syndrome.. but most of me says not.

Winnamine

TheBull wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Everyday 3 lock AZ, 3 lock BW,

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

It is on PC too with the 3 hour out of 24 hour lag. These people are nuts.

Only two campaigns maximum poplocked, and that only during prime time, and often not even then. We used to be able to regularly lock multiple campaigns at once, and that was back when the pop caps for campaigns were higher, and we had more campaigns for people to spread out to.

I'm sorry, I don't like it any more than you do, but Cyrodiil does seem to be far less populated than it used to be.

Minnesinger

Ezareth wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Exactly.

The reality is not difficult to recognize. I'd love to go back in time to the glory days of ESO, but those times have passed.

Even the trade guilds are dying....

I have noticed how less and less my PvP guildies log in. Some of the previously active players are in a lengthy hiatus. The hope of getting them back is slight because of the amount of CPs they have. This makes me also pessimistic. Anyways, I have seen some new PvP guilds with great players. I am just too fond of the my remaining guilds to really quit any if not forced to do that. I haven´t seen trading guilds suffering from this. They can kick out the inactive members quicker.

TheBull

No

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Everyday 3 lock AZ, 3 lock BW,

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

It is on PC too with the 3 hour out of 24 hour lag. These people are nuts.

Only two campaigns maximum poplocked, and that only during prime time, and often not even then. We used to be able to regularly lock multiple campaigns at once, and that was back when the pop caps for campaigns were higher, and we had more campaigns for people to spread out to.

I'm sorry, I don't like it any more than you do, but Cyrodiil does seem to be far less populated than it used to be.

Plus pts...

TheBull

No

Ezareth wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Exactly.

The reality is not difficult to recognize. I'd love to go back in time to the glory days of ESO, but those times have passed.

Even the trade guilds are dying....

I guess people see what they want to see. The trade guilds I'm in have wait list... We've never seen things eye to eye though.

Winnamine

TheBull wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Everyday 3 lock AZ, 3 lock BW,

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

It is on PC too with the 3 hour out of 24 hour lag. These people are nuts.

Only two campaigns maximum poplocked, and that only during prime time, and often not even then. We used to be able to regularly lock multiple campaigns at once, and that was back when the pop caps for campaigns were higher, and we had more campaigns for people to spread out to.

I'm sorry, I don't like it any more than you do, but Cyrodiil does seem to be far less populated than it used to be.

Plus pts...

The dwindling population in Cyrodiil far predates the PTS.

Takllin

I haven't decided yet / I have hope

I think there is a difference between dying, and normalizing.

People are far too quick to have knee jerk reactions and scream doom without really looking into things.

Jules

Yes

Imperial city is our last hope. If the lag isn't resolved by the release of that, PC NA PVP = dead as a doornail.

Lunamarie

Yes

Takllin wrote: »

I think there is a difference between dying, and normalizing.

People are far too quick to have knee jerk reactions and scream doom without really looking into things.

It's not a knee jerk reaction when people have been waiting patiently for over a year and with many continuing to pay subscriptions waiting for fixes to the current state of the game.

FluffiestOne

Yes

Ezareth wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Exactly.

The reality is not difficult to recognize. I'd love to go back in time to the glory days of ESO, but those times have passed.

Even the trade guilds are dying....

Jules wrote: »

Imperial city is our last hope. If the lag isn't resolved by the release of that, PC NA PVP = dead as a doornail.

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Everyday 3 lock AZ, 3 lock BW,

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Console lag is almost non-existent for me. PVP is alive and flourishing!

It is on PC too with the 3 hour out of 24 hour lag. These people are nuts.

Only two campaigns maximum poplocked, and that only during prime time, and often not even then. We used to be able to regularly lock multiple campaigns at once, and that was back when the pop caps for campaigns were higher, and we had more campaigns for people to spread out to.

I'm sorry, I don't like it any more than you do, but Cyrodiil does seem to be far less populated than it used to be.

All dis wit a cherry on tap. I have a cat.

Jahosefat

Yes

NA prime-time lag is the major issue that has driven myself and close friends away.

And I can't convince a couple of them to even try it again because of the CP system... "I'm just always going to be gimped now".

CharlieDango

Yes

One-sided campaigns are boring.

sirston

Yes

I quit this game then came back to all my former guild mates quit so......... I Say yea this game is on its deathbed for PC players, if your a game company that pulls gestapo crap on the forums trying to keep there game look clean as hospital; but have surgeons that are straight up murdering its clients then yes they really Don't know what there doing.

I would probably just put my resume in to help fix this game and I don't know how to make an MMO.

Kas

Yes

not really dying but definitely on the decline.
i may disagree with many balance aspects and few game mechanics.
however the sole big problem is the lag.

the only reason i still play is the hope for better times. i find it hard to set a deadline but right now i am really hyped for promised changes (los, ic mechanics to draw people to different places, etc) in IC. if they're effective, I will be so happy. if not, I really should finally take the step and stop playing

tinythinker

sirston wrote: »

I quit this game then came back to all my former guild mates quit so......... I Say yea this game is on its deathbed for PC players, if your a game company that pulls gestapo crap on the forums trying to keep there game look clean as hospital; but have surgeons that are straight up murdering its clients then yes they really Don't know what there doing.

I would probably just put my resume in to help fix this game and I don't know how to make an MMO.

No one from Pride is left? Wow...

Minno

TheBull wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Exactly.

The reality is not difficult to recognize. I'd love to go back in time to the glory days of ESO, but those times have passed.

Even the trade guilds are dying....

I guess people see what they want to see. The trade guilds I'm in have wait list... We've never seen things eye to eye though.

The trade guilds have it worse than pvp. They get zero support to essentially do all of the work in being the games economy.

krim

Yes

It died when all the actual good players left which was months ago. All you that are still left just have nothing else to play or do.