As much as I wish it wasn't so...the reality is hard to ignore.

I only played IC an hour or two and found that the PvP wasn't nearly as fun, and then there was the crashes that were so bad I couldn't log back into cyrodiil. I'm not throwing in the towel, I hope they get it fixed but if history is teaches us anything it is that ZoS has never really fixed issues pointed out in PTS...only some of the major crashes.

I would say it depends on what you want out of your PVP experience.

I voted Yes because I never really liked the vast map of Cyrodiil in the first place or why it was open 24/7. Imperial City seems like it might work for a bit, but I feel it will die down and become a wasteland in a few months, too.

I was still hoping they would correct a few major issues until that ESO Live Episode with (only) Eric Wrobel... now I'm waiting for another game.

Console PVP is pretty great. Sorry, PC players.

If the question was, "Is PC NA ESO PvP Dieng" then of course the answer is yes. It's been on it's deathbed for months (3-6).

When the entirety of a NA PC pvp presence is locking only two (twice pop cap nerfed) campaigns in prime with a rotating pvp presence that escalates one through 2 other campaigns at med - high occasionally is all you have to show for it, then yes pvp is dying.

When you can count the pvp guilds left in the game for each faction on one hand, then yes pvp is dying.

When the only change to pvp for a year and a half is shoddy class nerfs at failed attempted class balancing and the removal of pvp features (camps, mercenaries, twice campaign pops, campaigns, etc.), then yes pvp is dying.

When it takes a year and a half for the first pvp content to be released, then yes pvp is dying.

If that first pvp content after a year and a half comes on the back of 6-9 months of ever increasing lag issues with no fix in sight or even acceptance of the blame by ZOS, then yes pvp is dying.

Math is hard, can someone do It for me?

Top 10 reasons for my vote

1. Lag is still as bad as it has ever been, 12 months after it was first reported, despite the obvious drop in player count
2. Soft cap removal made builds absolutely silly and cookie cutter, you either slot skills 1, 2, 3 on toon X, Y, Z and play it like a robot, or youre not "competitive"
3. Guesting zergblobs ruining otherwise competitive campaigns
4. Emp farming is still a thing
5. Blatant bugs and exploits still being used to this day, the meta literally follows the fotm exploit/bug, this last bit of recent time its been dual mace steel tornado BS.
6. We havent seen any meaningful change to PvP in nearly 2 years (counting beta)
7. Most of the good players are long gone
8. You still have to PvE to get stuff needed for competitive PvP for most builds
9. Everything is a mindless grind once you get past AR24
10. Still no arena/small group maps

With nothing getting fixed in PvP and more problems building up everyday, I know PvP is dead. With the IC coming out im waiting and watching to see if this is the straw that breaks the camel's back or if it can take more stress.

FluffiestOne wrote: »

Guess it's pretty clear ESO pvp is dead.


USE A SOULGEM ZOS WE NEED U TO REZ IT

One is not enough!

5 months in this situation, unacceptable !
Nothing has been solved and imperial city incoming in 28 days.

It will be a f.... mess.

TheBull wrote: »

It's kinda funny. What I see is older players who don't like change or can't change as the metas change say pvp is dying. Kinda like all the Dks said the game sucked after they were nerfed.

Don't these people see all the new names around them daily? Sometimes you have to slow down and look. There are way more people out there than that guy you always kill or your rival.

I made a new build a few days ago. 1 1/2 years into the game and I'm still coming up with new ways to kill. For me and a lot others that's why eso pvp is special. There's nothing like it on the market. ESO pvp ain't going anywhere anytime soon. You might be lol not ESO pvp though.

I see new names sometimes, but I also see that even after lowering pop caps and doing away with most of the campaigns, the remaining campaigns are still far emptier than they used to be.
That seems to imply that ESO is not picking up enough new players to replace all those leaving.

Performance. There are too many other games w PVP out there that I can play without having to deal with poor server infrastructure. So, why would I play this?

Etaniel wrote: »

It takes way too much time to find small scale PvP atm, it's discouraging... And when you find some, you usually get overrun by a zerg, or a friendly zerg comes and ruins the fight. You can also get instagibbed, because hey : why should I have an interesting fight with an opponent and defeat him through superior skill, when I can oneshot him from stealth and grab my hard earned AP lolz

The two go hand in hand. Fast kills are critical for a solo'er because one of two things will happen, your zerg will roll him or his zerg will steal your AP. You would see less pure dps ganking builds too if less people thought it was "skill" to perma-block while spamming heals/bubble waiting for their iWin ult/dps combos.

Just saying, the evolution is driven from both ends of the spectrum.

not on console

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

IC looks promising, but I have little faith in the players of this game, who have a tendency to look for safety in numbers and zerg all day.

Yup, the fact you lose stones to other players when they kill you and ...yup....zerg it up is my prediction for the IPC.

See those blobs in Cyrodiil? the ones that cause lag, they will be coming to the IPC at launch....how is ZOS going to deal with them?

The PTS is a lag and crash fest most of the time now, if this is any indication of whats to come for live then this should be lovely.

yes agree.. maybe only solution is to allow 4 ppls grp inside, add some auto grp disband fuction if u are above 4 grp members.. they said small scale, so make it small scale.. but even not grped, they still will follow the mass, so probably won't work. bleh..