The Day ESO Dies

Lisbette

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lisbette wrote: »

The reason why there is so much complaining about vet ranks and Champion Point grinding is:

For one, good players who have been playing for over a year are having to catch up with people who have more Champion Points than them. And before anyone says it doesn't matter how many Champion Points someone has, yes, it does.

It is a sad fact that people who have been playing so long now have to grind Champion Points to be "good", to be able to fight people who have the time to endlessly grind Champion Points.

Within a year, people will be maxing out their Champion Points to 3600. In a way, yes, the only way to beat people is to out-grind them.

Why is this happening?

Because there is a lack-of-content in this game, and this is Zeni's way of saying, "Here you go, have something to do."

There is not a LOT of complaining about vet ranks or anything else. In the game I rarely if ever hear someone complain. The only angst is from the forums which have always been toxic and full of people unable to be pleased no matter what they do.

Why then, good sir, are you on the forums? ツ Because, if I recall correctly,

"Here is how the forums work:

"We hate vet ranks remove them!"
"We hate champ points remove them!"
"We hate the next idea too remove it!"

Ad nauseum" -@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

GreySix

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lisbette wrote: »

The reason why there is so much complaining about vet ranks and Champion Point grinding is:

For one, good players who have been playing for over a year are having to catch up with people who have more Champion Points than them. And before anyone says it doesn't matter how many Champion Points someone has, yes, it does.

It is a sad fact that people who have been playing so long now have to grind Champion Points to be "good", to be able to fight people who have the time to endlessly grind Champion Points.

Within a year, people will be maxing out their Champion Points to 3600. In a way, yes, the only way to beat people is to out-grind them.

Why is this happening?

Because there is a lack-of-content in this game, and this is Zeni's way of saying, "Here you go, have something to do."

There is not a LOT of complaining about vet ranks or anything else. In the game I rarely if ever hear someone complain. The only angst is from the forums which have always been toxic and full of people unable to be pleased no matter what they do.

Couldn't help but notice you spend a considerable amount of time here defending each and every action by the suits at Zenimax, vice happily playing.

Things that make you go, hmmmm.

Seaber

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

There is not a LOT of complaining about vet ranks or anything else. In the game I rarely if ever hear someone complain. The only angst is from the forums which have always been toxic and full of people unable to be pleased no matter what they do.

I was very happy with the game up to the point where they added the champion system and held back content to sell as dlcs.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I don't avoid competition at all. Rather I supplement my point total by doing jobs that 90% of the gamers ignore. If anything it's the exact opposite. Of course I'd rather spend all day in PVP fighting, but if there is no one to fight then I do other things.

I'm really at a loss as to what most of you want. Most of you are complaining about a non-existent problem, then complaining about how other people play the game. I'm getting the impression that the only "correct" way to PVP is to stand at a keep contributing nothing to your war effort and then running headlong into the first VR14 sorc you see.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

GreySix wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lisbette wrote: »

The reason why there is so much complaining about vet ranks and Champion Point grinding is:

For one, good players who have been playing for over a year are having to catch up with people who have more Champion Points than them. And before anyone says it doesn't matter how many Champion Points someone has, yes, it does.

It is a sad fact that people who have been playing so long now have to grind Champion Points to be "good", to be able to fight people who have the time to endlessly grind Champion Points.

Within a year, people will be maxing out their Champion Points to 3600. In a way, yes, the only way to beat people is to out-grind them.

Why is this happening?

Because there is a lack-of-content in this game, and this is Zeni's way of saying, "Here you go, have something to do."

There is not a LOT of complaining about vet ranks or anything else. In the game I rarely if ever hear someone complain. The only angst is from the forums which have always been toxic and full of people unable to be pleased no matter what they do.

Couldn't help but notice you spend a considerable amount of time here defending each and every action by the suits at Zenimax, vice happily playing.

Things that make you go, hmmmm.

Im not defending anything. I want them to stop dinking around with revamping l;leveling finally after a year of it. I want them to start making content not doing the 15th pvp balance that again everyone will complain about and claim the world is ending over. Meanwhile the game is stagnant and hasnt had a new zone since craglorn.

Fact is no matter what tweaks they make to the champ system people on here just like to complain. It doesnt matter what it is. From champ points to XP scrolls to the cash store to vet ranks. People just arent happy unless they are constantly complaining.

Id be happily playing the game if I didnt already have all max level characters and done literally everything in the game twice. I have been patient enough. Stop with the stupid pvp balancing act that you can never accomplish and put out some stuff for the other 90% or so who play the game and dont give a crap about pvp or pvp balance or the whining pvp people do constantly.

ApeXiTT

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

15 pages of crying. I have a level 43 with zero champion points and melt veterans in PVP every day. I'm also smart enough to know that picking a 1 on 1 fight with a VR14 is a bad idea. The only thing imbalanced about ESO is that guys like Deltia use 1438 add ons and think that means they are good. Stop crying and move to the level playing field on consoles. If you're good you can get the top 2% reward in veteran PVP with a non veteran character. I know because I did it.

For real...

Let the devs/creative teams work their magic. Pvp is kick ass but I have a damn good build I created.. You can't make a *** player and good player.

KillaXlit

Aneima

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

And this is why I continue to play STO, and SWTOR, and not ESO.

Same here. Right now is a good time for swtor. 12xp boost for main story missions people are getting LVL 55 in a few days if not several hours, new expansion coming soon, etc. This makes lvling alts extremely easy and a lot to look forward to.

Sadly with eso being that this VR 16 announcement was a week ago I'm fairly certain that the devs already started working on this system, putting in man hours, coding, etc. Now if the go ahead and implement this then a lot of the player base is going to revolt just as we are starting to see. ZOS will possibly lose more players than they already have. If they don't add vr16 then it's wasted time and money on something they already have been working on plus more money and time to add new content that the players want. But how much longer are the players going to wait for new content and continue to support ZOS?

I just don't understand why the devs would add more lvls with already knowing the VR lvls aren't popular and the majority of people hate them. Guess it's cheaper to add lvls than to add more content. I'd like to know what they spent all our monthly subs on.

Either way......Swtor>Eso

Rohaus

Well said Deltia!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

SWTOR has a catch up mechanic because its been out so long now. ESO will also have something like that in a couple years or so. Also man Ive been playing SWTOR since beta and the forums are just like these. Nothing but complaints. I like how people here say swtor is this magical game with no flaws lol. Not according to the swtor forums it isnt.

Aneima

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

15 pages of crying. I have a level 43 with zero champion points and melt veterans in PVP every day. I'm also smart enough to know that picking a 1 on 1 fight with a VR14 is a bad idea. The only thing imbalanced about ESO is that guys like Deltia use 1438 add ons and think that means they are good. Stop crying and move to the level playing field on consoles. If you're good you can get the top 2% reward in veteran PVP with a non veteran character. I know because I did it.

What about dueling? Because if they ever add it(which I hope they don't) then your going to see real imbalance. Someone with 1000 cp can literally go afk and you won't beat them.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Aneima wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

15 pages of crying. I have a level 43 with zero champion points and melt veterans in PVP every day. I'm also smart enough to know that picking a 1 on 1 fight with a VR14 is a bad idea. The only thing imbalanced about ESO is that guys like Deltia use 1438 add ons and think that means they are good. Stop crying and move to the level playing field on consoles. If you're good you can get the top 2% reward in veteran PVP with a non veteran character. I know because I did it.

What about dueling? Because if they ever add it(which I hope they don't) then your going to see real imbalance. Someone with 1000 cp can literally go afk and you won't beat them.

Where do you get the idea that 1000 cp can somehow make you a god? It adds sometimes less than 1/2% compared to someone with 0 points. You cannot go afk. Someone who knows how to play can easily kill you with your 1000 cp. Iys hyperbole like this which makes developers not want to take you seriously. 1000 cp doesnt make you superman. Skill will always trump stuff like cp.

Seaber

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Skill will always trump stuff like cp.

no

Phinix1

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

SWTOR has a catch up mechanic because its been out so long now. ESO will also have something like that in a couple years or so. Also man Ive been playing SWTOR since beta and the forums are just like these. Nothing but complaints. I like how people here say swtor is this magical game with no flaws lol. Not according to the swtor forums it isnt.

I don't think new players or even existing players that don't have the time/desire to engage in the mindless grind ZOS apparently deems "progression" should have to wait YEARS for a chance at fair competition.

There is simply no reason to not put in appropriate tier limits and catch-up mechanics like every other game. There is nothing "new" or "fringe" or "unique" about failure, and stubbornly refusing to admit it doesn't change the facts of public perception.

If they don't add these changes (tier caps on CP and catch-up mechanics) soon, there won't be anyone left for the Pay To Win grind whales to fap to in 6 months time, let alone two YEARS.

Thanks though, I actually got a LOL at that.

ch.ris317b14_ESO

At this point, and as a former on again off again WOW player....

It really sounds like they had a vision completely out of their reach.

Should probably go back to trying to simply build a very basic MMO system.

Hard level caps, hard and soft stat caps... and make it all about the gear...

Had no one learned from DIABLO???? Nobody really wants 'progresssion' .... you want to feel like a bad ass, kill lots of things, and get new stuff.... AS IN REALITY, new 'things' will keep people buying a lot more than metaphysical discussions about 'progression.'

This is why FPS genre dwarfs MMOs, and why a game like Borderlands or Destiny is so popular... Crap ton of Loot, while Chewing Gum and kicking ass. Its a game.... games are about FUN... it is not fun to progress... it is fun to get new shiznit.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

SWTOR has a catch up mechanic because its been out so long now. ESO will also have something like that in a couple years or so. Also man Ive been playing SWTOR since beta and the forums are just like these. Nothing but complaints. I like how people here say swtor is this magical game with no flaws lol. Not according to the swtor forums it isnt.

I don't think new players or even existing players that don't have the time/desire to engage in the mindless grind ZOS apparently deems "progression" should have to wait YEARS for a chance at fair competition.

There is simply no reason to not put in appropriate tier limits and catch-up mechanics like every other game. There is nothing "new" or "fringe" or "unique" about failure, and stubbornly refusing to admit it doesn't change the facts of public perception.

If they don't add these changes (tier caps on CP and catch-up mechanics) soon, there won't be anyone left for the Pay To Win grind whales to fap to in 6 months time, let alone two YEARS.

Thanks though, I actually got a LOL at that.

I know you guys always say if they dont do what you say RIGHT NOW the game will end tomorrow etc. Yet here you are still. As I said there are about 100 people just like you on the swtor demanding their ideas be implemented right now or the game will end tomorrow as well.

I remember just a few weeks ago XP pots were going to end the game. Before that the cash shop was going to end the game. Yet here we all are still. This stuff you want will be added down the line like all other MMOs and not at the beginning. You shouldnt be able in a few hours to have a max level character. If SWTOR is so great I have to ponder what you are doing here and why if there is already a mmo you like why arent you playing it?

Phinix1

ch.ris317b14_ESO wrote: »

It really sounds like they had a vision completely out of their reach.

I think they simply failed to account for one basic and unfaltering truth in MMO's:

IF IT CAN BE EXPLOITED IT WILL BE EXPLOITED.

NEVER rely on your gaming community having honor, integrity, or a sense of fair play. If there is ANY possible way to cheese a mechanic, gain an unfair advantage, or cheat your way to leaderboard glory, it WILL be exploited.

ZOS should have known better than to throw a 10 year vertical treadmill at the feet of botters and 24/7 Pay To Winners.

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

1/2% eh? How bout their abilities cost 25% less and hit 25% harder. That is just 2 passive, they would still have 800 CP to spend on other similar advantages. The only time skill trumps that is if there is a monkey on the other side of that characters keyboard or controller.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

1/2% eh? How bout their abilities cost 25% less and hit 25% harder. That is just 2 passive, they would still have 800 CP to spend on other similar advantages. The only time skill trumps that is if there is a monkey on the other side of that characters keyboard or controller.

Then why before and after CP I can wipe the floor with people who play all day while I have stuff to do? Fact is if you dont know how to play then all the CP in the world wont help you. So really the only people complaining are people who get kiclled regardless and if it wasnt CP it would be something else why you got beat. Its never you just need to learn to play right?

JamilaRaj

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

SWTOR has a catch up mechanic because its been out so long now. ESO will also have something like that in a couple years or so. Also man Ive been playing SWTOR since beta and the forums are just like these. Nothing but complaints. I like how people here say swtor is this magical game with no flaws lol. Not according to the swtor forums it isnt.

I don't think new players or even existing players that don't have the time/desire to engage in the mindless grind ZOS apparently deems "progression" should have to wait YEARS for a chance at fair competition.

There is simply no reason to not put in appropriate tier limits and catch-up mechanics like every other game. There is nothing "new" or "fringe" or "unique" about failure, and stubbornly refusing to admit it doesn't change the facts of public perception.

If they don't add these changes (tier caps on CP and catch-up mechanics) soon, there won't be anyone left for the Pay To Win grind whales to fap to in 6 months time, let alone two YEARS.

Thanks though, I actually got a LOL at that.

I know you guys always say if they dont do what you say RIGHT NOW the game will end tomorrow etc. Yet here you are still. As I said there are about 100 people just like you on the swtor demanding their ideas be implemented right now or the game will end tomorrow as well.

I remember just a few weeks ago XP pots were going to end the game. Before that the cash shop was going to end the game. Yet here we all are still.

Oh yeah, we are still spamming forums. But make no mistake, I, for one, sticked to my words, unsubscribed right after they announced in january the game would go P2W, and left when my time run out. So, the cash shop has definitely ended the game for me.

IcyDeadPeople

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

If you're good you can get the top 2% reward in veteran PVP with a non veteran character. I know because I did it.

You can get the top reward with a level 10 in crap gear. You certainly don't need any champion points at all to do this, or even be able to fight other players. Just play around the clock for a week, heal people with your level 10 resto staff and repair walls etc.

In my case, I don't care about campaign rewards. I play ESO because it's fun to get into small scale fights, 1v1, 2v2 etc., and I enjoy testing new builds and learning to become better at killing enemy players.

As mentioned above, I think the champion system is well designed in the sense that it's fun to earn points and allocate them to progress your build further after max level.

Unfortunately, if you want to remain competitive in PVP, you need to keep earning at least a few points each day. If you take a couple months off from the game and then return, you will fall far behind.

EDIT:

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Most of my points come from repairing walls, healing others and fighting wherever the biggest fight is.

Seems I guessed correctly. I don't wish to discourage anyone from healing or repairing walls, but you must be able to see how this is a completely different skill set compared to 1v1s.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

And yes ... most of you are crying. I'm not debating anything. I'm just pointing out that many of you are complaining about something that isn't even real. If you actually know how to PVP then this "disparity" is negligible.

There are different ways to enjoy the PVP side of the game. If your goal is simply to get on the AP leaderboards, or learn tactics for large groups to assault keeps, you can certainly do this without champion points, without even developing a good build or knowing how to kill enemy players by yourself.

However, if your goal is to become good at killing enemy players in 1v1s and small scale fights, then a good build becomes important and champion points make a significant difference.

Phinix1

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

I know you guys always say if they dont do what you say RIGHT NOW the game will end tomorrow etc. Yet here you are still. As I said there are about 100 people just like you on the swtor demanding their ideas be implemented right now or the game will end tomorrow as well.

I'm not demanding, I am engaging in open discussion. Demanding would involve letters to the CEO and some sort of Youtube campaign, which I don't really feel would be appropriate or necessary at this point. Not from me anyway; I suck at Youtube videos.

It is obvious though that people are losing faith in the game because of this unlimited and ever-widening gap catering to 24/7 grinders gaining an unfair advantage for an activity which requires zero skill and has no system in place to catch up, and that concerns me. The possibility of fair play is one of the saving graces of an already minority PVP system.

But when you say "you are still here" I don't think it really carries much weight in the reality of things. Perhaps you missed previous posts about well-know contributors leaving the game over this (taking their money with them) and the affect it has on the community? I myself an no longer paying a sub, for the first time since launch.

This isn't "a little extortion among friends" or some evil conspiracy. It is a simple and obvious fact, that if players lose the perception of balance or fairness, and see deplorable behavior like 24/7 account sharing and grinding being rewarded with unreachable stat gaps, they will become disenfranchised and lose interest.

I want to see ESO succeed and thrive, but this absence of tier caps letting the people with the most free time run roughshod over the average player has sapped my will to invest.

Aneima

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

SWTOR has a catch up mechanic because its been out so long now. ESO will also have something like that in a couple years or so. Also man Ive been playing SWTOR since beta and the forums are just like these. Nothing but complaints. I like how people here say swtor is this magical game with no flaws lol. Not according to the swtor forums it isnt.

In a couple of years Eso people aren't going to wait that long for this game. Every game has people complaining on the forums but in all the mmos I've played eso's is the worst. When I first started playing over a year ago I remember the eso forums were so bad to the point that I didn't ever want to meet anybody from the forums ingame. Now the forums are even worse.

Now for flaws no game is flawless but Eso is king of flaws. Buggy launcher, more problems with game after it's patches, a crown store that sells useless unwanted items, load screens while moving in the same city, a champion point system that hurts the game more than it helps it, a monthly subscription that isn't even worth the subscription,a development team that wants to add more VR levels despite more than 50% of the player are against it,lack of content, buggy servers,broken promises,basically a game without vision,etc,etc,etc.

Swtor isn't the magical game of choice but it sure does beat Eso.

Phinix1

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

1/2% eh? How bout their abilities cost 25% less and hit 25% harder. That is just 2 passive, they would still have 800 CP to spend on other similar advantages. The only time skill trumps that is if there is a monkey on the other side of that characters keyboard or controller.

Then why before and after CP I can wipe the floor with people who play all day while I have stuff to do? Fact is if you dont know how to play then all the CP in the world wont help you. So really the only people complaining are people who get kiclled regardless and if it wasnt CP it would be something else why you got beat. Its never you just need to learn to play right?

So one hypothetical (screenshot or it didn't happen) grinder was beaten by someone with less CP, therefor there is no stat gap problem, ALL grinders are talentless, there is nothing to worry about? Please tell me you did not just make that argument.

Someone with 25% more resistance, 25% more shields, 25% more damage, 25% more efficient roll dodge/break free, 25% more ability damage, 25% more weapon damage, etc., etc., clearly has an advantage over the average player.

Those bonuses are NOT the problem. The CP system itself is awesome. There simply needs to be a tier cap and a gap closer mechanic.

But to suggest that everyone who grinds out an unfair advantage in a badly unregulated vertical treadmill of grinding has no skill therefore there isn't a problem is like saying people shooting bullets at you is no problem because in the past some of them missed.

DayedPSN

Great Points made by deltia regarding the cp system

Enraged_Tiki_Torch

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Then why before and after CP I can wipe the floor with people who play all day while I have stuff to do? Fact is if you dont know how to play then all the CP in the world wont help you. So really the only people complaining are people who get kiclled regardless and if it wasnt CP it would be something else why you got beat. Its never you just need to learn to play right?

Just because your beating somebody that doesn't know how to PvP doesn't mean CP don't have an effect. Your claim is extremely exaggerated. The people that are voicing their opinion about this aren't people who can't play. They are people who care about balance. They don't get their jollies from beating newbies. They want a fair and balanced game. I don't want such an advantage over people who don't wish to grind trash for 8 hours a day, and I don't want to have to grind 8 hrs a day just for the game to be fair. That is a reasonable request imho.

BigInGlenumbra

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Enraged_Tiki_Torch wrote: »

1/2% eh? How bout their abilities cost 25% less and hit 25% harder. That is just 2 passive, they would still have 800 CP to spend on other similar advantages. The only time skill trumps that is if there is a monkey on the other side of that characters keyboard or controller.

Then why before and after CP I can wipe the floor with people who play all day while I have stuff to do? Fact is if you dont know how to play then all the CP in the world wont help you. So really the only people complaining are people who get kiclled regardless and if it wasnt CP it would be something else why you got beat. Its never you just need to learn to play right?

Being able to kill someone with higher CP doesn't mean CP isn't important.

You still try to defend the CP system? Man you grinders are funny

ch.ris317b14_ESO

Do you know what the coolest thing about Destiny is?

I can create a fresh new level 1 (or whatever minimum level to get into crucible) character... and shotgum the hell out of some uber leet dude with all the exotic gear... in everything except trials of osiris and iron banner....

Same with guild wars 1, and largely guild wars 2.... from day one PVP wise you are on the same level game mechanic wise.... which is much more real, any idiot can shoot a gun or stab people... There are plenty of examples of rank amatuers killing maestro warriors. ... it doesnt often happen, but more than you think given the random and chaotic nature of fighting to the death.

This to me makes them more exciting and fresh.

As abysmal as the storytelling is in Destiny, I got back into it because the gameplay and PVP is so brilliantly fun... and this is coming from a straight carebear.

So honestly, for PVE they need to level the content in so that it is always a challenge... and in PVP they should just straight plaigerize (legally of course) Guild Wars, or Destiny.


This also dramatically reduces the effort you have to put in to continually balancing things.... if the PVE content is scales, and the PVP is standardized except for particular events .... welll EVERYBODY wins.

Averya_Teira

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Mr_Bubbely wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

BrightnessSyl wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Kinda started to die for me when i tuned into a streamers' channel and he was hating on a race so much he was singing "ain't no Nord in my blood"

Sithisvoid clearly that was a joke, humor is always needed when streaming. This has nothing to do with that. DO you play the game? Do you care about the changes? Put personal views toward a streamer aside and fight for your game.

I don't see anything wrong with VR16 or Champion points. MMO's raise level cap. Champion points keep people playing the game. Plus what kind of backlash would erupt if they removed them? The people who spent hour upon hour grinding will suddenly leave the mobs and return the the forum in Frankenstein mob form.

And I agree, whats the point of an MMO if you can't advance further and get even better? Isnt that the point of an MMO? To become the very best you can be?

This is ZOS's main problem right here. Short sighted thinking based on "what keeps people paying me" rather than "what makes games fun." It is the disconnect between failing to consider the 2nd and diminishing revenue that will cause this game to fail. ZOS are incredibly stubborn and refuse to consider that designing around making things fun IS what keeps people paying! They would rather milk the whales and grinders with ADD and the need for comparative validation (read: the need to compare themselves to others and see they have "more" of something in order to feel they have achieved something).

A successful MMO like WoW understands the importance of BALANCE in this equation. That is why they have Arena SEASONS and raid TIERS. Yes you can run the treadmill and improve, have new experiences, get new gear, but you do it TOGETHER. That is what is missing in ESO. In a tried and tested game like WoW you can join a group of players in a guild and catch up within a matter of weeks/months. Then you SHARE the experience of improving, yet no one improves far beyond anyone else due to the raid tier being fixed until new content is released.

This is the sort of rewarding team play that PROFESSIONAL companies provide.

ESO comes off as amateur and inexperienced, and stubbornly resistant to change. They are hard-headedly convinced their way is the best way, in spite of all feedback to the contrary. According to ZOS there should be no shared experience, no limits to a raid or arena season that prevents any one group from pulling unattainably ahead of everyone else destroying fair play for new players.

According to ZOS, mindless zombie grinders should be rewarded and encouraged with leaderboards to directly compare epeen, XP scrolls to be bought for real dollars to help them grind, and a HORRIBLE CP system with no limits so they can just mindlessly grind 24/7, pay their friends to grind their accounts while they sleep, all to gain an unfair advantage that destroys any semblance of shared experience or sportsmanship as a reward for their self-abuse of a broken system.

We hear arguments like "these players are amazing, they earned that advantage." I'm sorry, but mindlessly mashing Steel Tornado in a troll cave does NOT make you awesome. It makes you have no life and a desperate need for validation through unfair advantage, and ZOS should be ashamed to be catering to this mentality.

An MMO will succeed if there is A SHARED EXPRIENCE OF PROGRESSION and a sense of FAIR PLAY.

If you take that away, and everything is "us vs. them," "me vs. the world" and throw a unregulated linear power ladder at mindless 24/7 grinders, you will have effectively thrown your franchise out the window.

The solution is incredibly simple, as so many have stated: Implement tiered limits to how many CP can be gained in a given period LIKE EVERY OTHER MMO HAS SEASONS AND TIER LIMITS, and let the 1% grinders QQ about their unfair advantage for living an unhealthy life being taken away. More important you keep the 99% of legit players which hopefully the suits are beginning to realize.

In addition, make CP gain faster the further from the current cap you are. Do these two simple things and the problem is essentially solved, but again ZOS is incredibly stubborn and the suits are convinced they can make more money milking whales than listening to the concerns of the majority of their (formerly) paying customers.

It is a real self fulfilling prophecy scenario. We'll see if they have the courage and integrity to admit that they were wrong.

I think the issue is not they don't want to change and incorporate tiered CPs and everything you wrote, I'm pretty sure it's a lack of actual skills and experience from the devs and people coding the game. They just don't KNOW how to do it...

pmn100b16_ESO

I think there's a bunch of bads on here defending the CP system in its current state because its their future crutch to make up for the skill they'll never have.

Seaber

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Someone with 25% more resistance, 25% more shields, 25% more damage, 25% more efficient roll dodge/break free, 25% more ability damage, 25% more weapon damage, etc., etc., clearly has an advantage over the average player.

Those bonuses are NOT the problem. The CP system itself is awesome. There simply needs to be a tier cap and a gap closer mechanic.

If it took 10 years to grind 3600 CPs but you only gained a 1% increase in power then 99% of people wouldn't give a ***.

The bonuses are the problem. At the moment all PvE content is easy to complete with 0 CPs. 3600 Cps will make the game so easy even someone with no eyes or fingers could complete everything.