The Day ESO Dies

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2015

I want the Veteran Ranks removed, however. I do NOT want to see the Champion System removed, but rather changed if necessarily. If it needs to be changed then please hear me out. Instead of butchering it completely, how about making reforming it to some form of skill tree. It will work like any skill tree, you can acquire X (No, not thousands of points ZOS!) amount of points that you can spend to improve or make other builds possible. This will allow you to later in the game's life to add new skills or passives with the addition of new points to spend. This way there won't be massive mathematical gaps between players like we will be facing in the coming years.

Again, I stress you do NOT remove the Champion System but make a new iteration of it that won't cause massive gaps or outrageous imbalances.

Also, it is fully possible to remove Veteran Ranks by separating the gear from veteran ranks. All you need to do is add gear score ratings to the game from 1 to 50 and onwards. All gear acquired after level 50 could be tiered lets say, AA gear could be labeled as Tier 1 or *Laugh* Veteran Rank 1, and be mathematically better than say, gear acquired at 50 or below.

This way you can keep adding content that, frankly, should have been in the game since launch. Once you have added enough to satisfy us for at least 2 years from now on, you could make a massive expansion with new levels, new main story quest-line and other pve / pvp / skill balance stuff extra.

Edit note: For those of you screaming at the screen right now, yeah you know who you are, the gear score could be hidden by zos - I personally give a rats ass, but that's just me.

Emma_Overload · July 2015

Bromburak wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Why do people view "Champion Points" as so fundamentally different different than "level", they're NOT.

Of course they are or did you ever level a character, then create a new one and use the levels of the previous leveled character?

Most players are lazy and they want everything for free and right away. This has nothing todo with playing an MMO with other people that getting rewarded for their achievements.

It is hardcore banning trinity out of games to have superman hybrids all over the place, clicking anytimers and for emergencies using the red button "Instant high level".

Imo such designs will result in a questionable MMO gaming culture.

That could be a GOOD thing, though, because it would greatly simplify the grouping process. The Trinity, in my opinion, is the reason it takes so long to form a group for dungeons because you have to wait for all the roles to be filled. Frankly, I don't think any of this contrived structure is necessary for people to have fun clearing group content. Most people just want to pul the trigger and kill monsters, which is why you always have too many DPS and not enough Healers and Tanks in the first place.

Bromburak · July 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Am I supposed to sit around watching soap operas for a couple months so all the slackers can catch up? This isn't going to work for me or for ZoS, because they need people who actually want to play the game in order to sell them stuff.

No, you don't need anyone to play with ...

Funkopotamus · July 2015

sadownik wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Why do people view "Champion Points" as so fundamentally different different than "level", they're NOT. The complaint that:

"RHHAAA! new players can never catch-up"

Is factually false. Just like 1-50 there is a max. Just like VR, there is a max. It's the same leveling/progression mechanic, because guess what? There IS A MAX amount of CP that can be attained (top level), it's not infinite. After you get there, progression stops. Had the game opened with levels 1-3600 to begin with, no one would care.

Call it levels, call it VR, or call it CP it's all the same higher level=higher power mechanic. People are trying themselves in knots so absolutely no reason. Putting a "cap on how much CP someone can earn in a day is equivalent to putting a cap on how many times someone can level-up in a day, all for the sake of what? So someone doesn't out level you?

What you conveniently overlook is the FACT that gaining 3600 CP will take even the 24/7 grinders more than a year to crank out. Where does that leave new players that actually want to do something with their time in Tamriel ASIDE from mashing Steel Tornado in Cracked Troll Cave (TM)?

Do it anyway for probably 2+ years that it would take someone with only 8 hours a day to invest, or 5+ years it would take for someone with only 2-3 hours a day? Should new players be made to face that sort of time frame before they can enjoy any semblance of fair play, for the crime of not buying the game sooner?

Also, no one is saying there should be a daily cap. That would be silly. What people are saying is that, like every other MMO that has arena seasons, raid tiers, and expansion gear progression in stages, ESO needs to set a limit to the total number of CP you can get in a period of time, and make it easier to gain CP the farther from that tier cap you currently are.

Each expansion/DLC release, ZOS can raise the incremental CP soft cap.

NO WAY, JOSE. The kind of caps you're suggesting would mean that there would be a lot of wasted effort for people like me who play every day for several hours. Grinding is already a pain in the ass, so I want EVERY single dead mob to count. Am I supposed to sit around watching soap operas for a couple months so all the slackers can catch up? This isn't going to work for me or for ZoS, because they need people who actually want to play the game in order to sell them stuff.

In my opinion there are 2 options right now:
1. Leave the system as it is - discouraging and upseting some players from the game, some people leave, some wont buy the game
2. Change the system, giving players fighint chance to catch up -gimping players that are now ahead of curve, discouraging and upseting some players from the game, some people leave,

(i wont put any numbers here - no idea what would they be)

So its Z. job to figure out which option will be healthier for game population and long term succes of the game.

Sadownik you sir are correct.

Somebody is going to get <Sniped> on.... There simply is no other way around it. This system should have never left the bathroom it was thought up in.
Zos is now in a position that they must do some sort of damage control.. Will it be for the players that have spent all the time "getting ahead" or will the game give the new players free exp and let them "catch up" and basically make all of the work those grinders did become null and void..

Phinix1 · July 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Why do people view "Champion Points" as so fundamentally different different than "level", they're NOT. The complaint that:

"RHHAAA! new players can never catch-up"

Is factually false. Just like 1-50 there is a max. Just like VR, there is a max. It's the same leveling/progression mechanic, because guess what? There IS A MAX amount of CP that can be attained (top level), it's not infinite. After you get there, progression stops. Had the game opened with levels 1-3600 to begin with, no one would care.

Call it levels, call it VR, or call it CP it's all the same higher level=higher power mechanic. People are trying themselves in knots so absolutely no reason. Putting a "cap on how much CP someone can earn in a day is equivalent to putting a cap on how many times someone can level-up in a day, all for the sake of what? So someone doesn't out level you?

What you conveniently overlook is the FACT that gaining 3600 CP will take even the 24/7 grinders more than a year to crank out. Where does that leave new players that actually want to do something with their time in Tamriel ASIDE from mashing Steel Tornado in Cracked Troll Cave (TM)?

Do it anyway for probably 2+ years that it would take someone with only 8 hours a day to invest, or 5+ years it would take for someone with only 2-3 hours a day? Should new players be made to face that sort of time frame before they can enjoy any semblance of fair play, for the crime of not buying the game sooner?

Also, no one is saying there should be a daily cap. That would be silly. What people are saying is that, like every other MMO that has arena seasons, raid tiers, and expansion gear progression in stages, ESO needs to set a limit to the total number of CP you can get in a period of time, and make it easier to gain CP the farther from that tier cap you currently are.

Each expansion/DLC release, ZOS can raise the incremental CP soft cap.

NO WAY, JOSE. The kind of caps you're suggesting would mean that there would be a lot of wasted effort for people like me who play every day for several hours. Grinding is already a pain in the ass, so I want EVERY single dead mob to count. Am I supposed to sit around watching soap operas for a couple months so all the slackers can catch up? This isn't going to work for me or for ZoS, because they need people who actually want to play the game in order to sell them stuff.

I think you're just being dramatic. But even you have to admit the huge gap is already a problem for fair competition and will only get worse.

Think about it this way: What would you do once you had max tier raid/arena gear for a season in LITERALLY EVERY OTHER MMO EVER MADE IN HUMAN HISTORY?

That's right. You do dailies, grind cosmetic gear, achievements, and WAIT FOR THE NEXT SEASON.

It isn't like this concept is fringe. It is just people with instant gratification which want to be able to grind out everything in a day. Sorry, but like Rome, quality games weren't build that way.

Wolfenbelle · July 2015

@Deltia, thanks for this thread and your YT video. Not only do I agree with you, but go further. In my opinion, the 1.6 release was a huge disappointment. @ZOS should have removed VR either before or at 1.6. They should never have nerfed everyone, then rigged the game's numbering scheme in order to accommodate the champion points system. Even before it was released I despised the CP system for all the reasons that have since become obvious. It was a very poor solution to what should have been a comparatively simple adjustment to the flaws in the VR system.

Coincidentally with the 1.6 release, I was planning a cross-country move from Los Angeles to North Carolina. So my game time was limited earlier this year and stopped completely for about six weeks between when my internet service cut off in L.A. and before getting set up in my new home. When I left L.A., I had 90 CP. I returned to the game to find that I was way, way behind. I've played this game daily (other than during my move) since early release last year. Most of that time I kept pace in progression with other people who I started with last year. My main was competitive in PvP, had completed all of Cadwell's S/G, and was completing Craglorn stuff. 1.6 set most players back, but I never had the chance to keep pace with my mates while catching up. Now I have about 120+ CP, but my mates have 270+ and there's no way I can realistically catch up. Now I spend all my time in game questing with my vr2 DK, using the XP bonus for sale with crowns to get CP as fast as possible.

Now the sudden out-of-the-blue announcement of vr15 and vr16 makes matters even worse. Just a couple of days ago, I snagged a full vr14 Hawk's Eye set for my main (Imperial Templar, bow and 2h sword). I improved it from blue to yellow and paired it with 5 pieces of Hundings, which I crafted and also improved to yellow. Although it's not the absolute best gear, it's pretty damned good for my current build. All of that is now pointless.

I don't feel confident to join any groups in either PvP or PvE because I don't think I'd be able to make a solid contribution. This is all so discouraging, but even if I sent this message to @ZOS as feedback, I doubt they'd care. Because I was an early subscriber to your YT channel, I was planning to join your Twitter brigade and kick in the $5 to participate in your group, but you are only in DC and my characters are AD. Sigh. This is the third time I'm going through Cadwell's and I'm sick of it, but there seems to be no other choice. Double sigh and again, so discouraging.

michaelb14a_ESO2 · July 2015

Sigtric wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

Why do people view "Champion Points" as so fundamentally different different than "level", they're NOT. The complaint that:

"RHHAAA! new players can never catch-up"

Is factually false. Just like 1-50 there is a max. Just like VR, there is a max. It's the same leveling/progression mechanic, because guess what? There IS A MAX amount of CP that can be attained (top level), it's not infinite. After you get there, progression stops. Had the game opened with levels 1-3600 to begin with, no one would care.

Call it levels, call it VR, or call it CP it's all the same higher level=higher power mechanic. People are trying themselves in knots so absolutely no reason. Putting a "cap on how much CP someone can earn in a day is equivalent to putting a cap on how many times someone can level-up in a day, all for the sake of what? So someone doesn't out level you?

I think the big difference here is there is no CP scaling.

Before CPs, I could take a lvl 20 character into vet cyrodiil and have a little bit of a chance to come out on top during any given fight. Now with CPs, that battle leveling means jack if the person I'm fighting has a couple hundred more CP than I do.

That's my biggest issue with the whole thing.

Agreed, battle leveling needs a substantial increase to account for the CP levels.

Morvul · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Fact noone has 900 or 1000 cp. Period. So stop saying you "heard" this. If you cant confirm it then stop spreading falsehoods.

I know for a fact people with 600+ CP.
Since those folks are not completely insane grinders, 900 CP on a few 24/7 grinders sounds completely plausible

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Morvul wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Fact noone has 900 or 1000 cp. Period. So stop saying you "heard" this. If you cant confirm it then stop spreading falsehoods.

I know for a fact people with 600+ CP.
Since those folks are not completely insane grinders, 900 CP on a few 24/7 grinders sounds completely plausible

I know I know. Just like people swore up and down some had 360 cp while back. Come to find out that wasnt true. Its always I know someone too. Not that I have it but someone I know's brother's cousin's neighbor's friend who has it. The only "proof" weve been shown was a badly faked screenshot on a troll post. Now all the sudden just like when everyone had 360 cp everyone has 700-1000 cp.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2015

My current CP and I haven't been playing much imo.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

My current CP and I haven't been playing much imo.

So 175 = 1000 now eh?. I dont play a ton either I have about the same amount. Id bet about 98% of people are in our range like 100-200 ish.

Molsondry · July 2015

Was over a month ago. So stop saying no one has 700 + . There are botter out there that probly has 1k +. Yes they are undecteable bot for eso that when setup correctly will act just like it was a real person. And Ive even got forum ban for partly naming them had XX*** name for them so.... lolll

Jamessharv is just a eso die hard fan , and if you do a thread about pvp lag he will just go in there and say there is no pvp lag and suggest to change you pc . LOL

CP are good for a RPG like D3 . (probly where the idea come from) Where even if you botted 24/7 it wouldnt affect anyone gaming experience.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2015

We all know Cyro lag is mostly due to guilds zerging.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

My current CP and I haven't been playing much imo.

So 175 = 1000 now eh?. I dont play a ton either I have about the same amount. Id bet about 98% of people are in our range like 100-200 ish.

I got 58+58+57 atm...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Molsondry · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Stop stop stop stop defending a broken system The most known pvp eso players are saying its broken and even make this thread because cp, in there actual form, will kill the game. Your such a die hard fan...

And botting player setup auto login/log programs (hell almost everybot has this feature or has an plugin available for that. you can set it up so its log in go grinding for 1 hour logs out for 3 hour logs in for 2 hour logs out for 5 hour and etc... cmon)eso when they at work bots grind cp for them s . Comes home and go pvp ...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Stop stop stop stop defending a broken system The most known pvp eso players are saying its broken and even make this thread because cp, in there actual form, will kill the game. Your such a die hard fan...

And botting player setup auto login/log out for eso when they at work bots grind cp for them s . Comes home and go pvp ...

What you are saying really is stop making sense and using logic. This is hysteria we are talking about here. The sky is FALLING!!!

Phinix1 · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Stop stop stop stop defending a broken system The most known pvp eso players are saying its broken and even make this thread because cp, in there actual form, will kill the game. Your such a die hard fan...

And botting player setup auto login/log out for eso when they at work bots grind cp for them s . Comes home and go pvp ...

What you are saying really is stop making sense and using logic. This is hysteria we are talking about here. The sky is FALLING!!!

Actually I think people are just waiting for you to make an actual point about anything relevant to the OP instead of just sensationalizing generalities to get a rise out of people. Seems like you should have something better to do with your time, like grind CP or something.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Stop stop stop stop defending a broken system The most known pvp eso players are saying its broken and even make this thread because cp, in there actual form, will kill the game. Your such a die hard fan...

And botting player setup auto login/log out for eso when they at work bots grind cp for them s . Comes home and go pvp ...

What you are saying really is stop making sense and using logic. This is hysteria we are talking about here. The sky is FALLING!!!

Actually I think people are just waiting for you to make an actual point about anything relevant to the OP instead of just sensationalizing generalities to get a rise out of people. Seems like you should have something better to do with your time, like grind CP or something.

My point was the people who have this kind of CP are so rare (I believe nonexistance but I guess I can coneded maybe one or two people might have gotten there somehow) that the chances of you running into them is miniscule at best. Since most fights are with 20-30 epople on each side or more his 1000 cp in overall scheme means little anyways because of so many opponents.

Or are you guys saying now that with 1000 cp I can enter cyrodill hit a button and kill everyone somehow? Or that I could take on an entire zerg solo with 1000 cp?

Molsondry · July 2015

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Hmm so one person might or might not have 600 that means everyone has 1000s now. How do we even know that screenshot isnt faked? I wish they would come in like they did when people lied about having 360 and tell us whats the actual fact or not. Even if a couple have that much (which I doubt) whats the chances of you actually seeing those two or three people?

Or are you saying someone with 1000 cp can go up against 20-30 people at once? Really with the people grinding away they cant be in pvp much. They would have had to spend every waking moment from the first day grinding mobs.

Stop stop stop stop defending a broken system The most known pvp eso players are saying its broken and even make this thread because cp, in there actual form, will kill the game. Your such a die hard fan...

And botting player setup auto login/log out for eso when they at work bots grind cp for them s . Comes home and go pvp ...

What you are saying really is stop making sense and using logic. This is hysteria we are talking about here. The sky is FALLING!!!

Actually I think people are just waiting for you to make an actual point about anything relevant to the OP instead of just sensationalizing generalities to get a rise out of people. Seems like you should have something better to do with your time, like grind CP or something.

Honestly this guy just was arguing over real number coming from cp calculation table website that shows how cp where broken .

He was arguing real statistic.

He arguing , well he is arguing anyone thats whant this game to improve. LOL

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Junipus · July 2015

How I wish we had an ignore function on the forums like in game...

GreySix · July 2015

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

How I wish we had an ignore function on the forums like in game...

We do.

Sacadon · July 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

100% spot on!

I said this before 1.6 even went live from testing on the PTS.

The difference between 100 CP and 1000 CP was MUCH MORE than the difference between VR1 and VR14.

Now, flash forward and this "replacement" for the Vet Rank system isn't replacing anything. It's augmenting it.

So, imagine the difference between a VR1 with 100CP and a VR14 with 1000 CP. And then add 2 more VR ranks.

It's a system designed to discourage participation.

In the end....and I called it back in my ORIGINAL THREAD HERE....they will have to completely relaunch this game again. I'm not talking about a "catch up mechanic"....I mean a full blown relaunch like we saw with Unlimited if they don't immediately reverse course.

It may already be too late. They have created a system where people are pulling so far ahead that the only solution possible will be to simply wipe it all away and relevel everyone. Probably accompanied by a transition to full F2P and P2W.

I see you're still beating on us with the I told you so stick... LOL. Well we may not listen, but I can't blame you for trying.

Anyway, not all but most of the points you raised back there were spot-on and it's a good thread on the CS issues for sure.

My biggest issue with the CS right now is that regardless of skill, there is a mechanism to become more powerful simply because of time investment. A catch-up mechanic is just a band-aid to this fundamental flaw.

So in short, agreed in that if they don't fut the shucker down now, turning this ship around will just take too long and I fear the worst. I'm usually full of annoying optimism, but not on this topic.

MisterBigglesworth · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

My point was the people who have this kind of CP are so rare (I believe nonexistance but I guess I can coneded maybe one or two people might have gotten there somehow) that the chances of you running into them is miniscule at best. Since most fights are with 20-30 epople on each side or more his 1000 cp in overall scheme means little anyways because of so many opponents.

Or are you guys saying now that with 1000 cp I can enter cyrodill hit a button and kill everyone somehow? Or that I could take on an entire zerg solo with 1000 cp?

You don't need 1000 CP for that, you can already do it now by exploiting hardened ward, undeath, and mist form (among other things) and still not be banned several months later. But hey, that's only 1 or 2 people, so the chances of YOU PERSONALLY running into them on the battlefield is virtually nonexistent... and we all know if a problem doesn't affect YOU PERSONALLY then it's not really a problem, right??

Sacadon · July 2015

Morvul wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Fact noone has 900 or 1000 cp. Period. So stop saying you "heard" this. If you cant confirm it then stop spreading falsehoods.

I know for a fact people with 600+ CP.
Since those folks are not completely insane grinders, 900 CP on a few 24/7 grinders sounds completely plausible

FWIW, I do know for a fact some that have 900+. They grind anywhere from 10-20 points/day.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · July 2015

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

My point was the people who have this kind of CP are so rare (I believe nonexistance but I guess I can coneded maybe one or two people might have gotten there somehow) that the chances of you running into them is miniscule at best. Since most fights are with 20-30 epople on each side or more his 1000 cp in overall scheme means little anyways because of so many opponents.

Or are you guys saying now that with 1000 cp I can enter cyrodill hit a button and kill everyone somehow? Or that I could take on an entire zerg solo with 1000 cp?

You don't need 1000 CP for that, you can already do it now by exploiting hardened ward, undeath, and mist form (among other things) and still not be banned several months later. But hey, that's only 1 or 2 people, so the chances of YOU PERSONALLY running into them on the battlefield is virtually nonexistent... and we all know if a problem doesn't affect YOU PERSONALLY then it's not really a problem, right??

Kinda off topic but hey let me address it anyways. It doesnt just not affect me personally. It doesnt affect ANYONE who doesnt go to cyrodill. Thats a TON of people. Also you are talking about them not enforcing rules on exploiting which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. The fact is this chicken little stuff is pointless because you guys act like ZOS doesnt know what the true numbers are.

What they need to focus 100% attention on is new zones. New levels. New dungeons. Add housing. Stuff that will make money. How does endless pvp balance make any money? PVE has been ignored almost 9 months now to focus solely on pvp balance after pvp balance. Enough already. I realize the pvp community is very vocal on the forums. The problem is the forums are not used by most people who play the game.

There is no end to pvp balance. Its an ongoing thing. You cant just ignore everyone else and everything else to try and fix something that cannot be fixed. One mans fix is another mans "slap in the face".

jwboudreau1b16_ESO · July 2015

I feel like the justification for VR 16 was well provided. For there to be any logical progression in gear, at this point, they had to increase the Vet ranks. I don't think that this is an omen of them never fixing them. I think that this is likely just a quick fix. Because the entire itemization is tied in with the Veteran Rank system, it's really not a simple fix. Also, I don't think that they've even fully determined how they're going to handle a Veteran Rank-less ESO. It would completely change the landscape of the game. For better, I believe, but still.

Also, they're making it much faster to progress through Veteran Ranks, so I'm all for the changes, personally.

Phinix1 · July 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

My point was the people who have this kind of CP are so rare (I believe nonexistance but I guess I can coneded maybe one or two people might have gotten there somehow) that the chances of you running into them is miniscule at best. Since most fights are with 20-30 epople on each side or more his 1000 cp in overall scheme means little anyways because of so many opponents.

Or are you guys saying now that with 1000 cp I can enter cyrodill hit a button and kill everyone somehow? Or that I could take on an entire zerg solo with 1000 cp?

You don't need 1000 CP for that, you can already do it now by exploiting hardened ward, undeath, and mist form (among other things) and still not be banned several months later. But hey, that's only 1 or 2 people, so the chances of YOU PERSONALLY running into them on the battlefield is virtually nonexistent... and we all know if a problem doesn't affect YOU PERSONALLY then it's not really a problem, right??

Kinda off topic but hey let me address it anyways. It doesnt just not affect me personally. It doesnt affect ANYONE who doesnt go to cyrodill.

Not true. Many, many top-rank guilds consider the leaderboards to be the ultimate "end-game" (I know, but people like to compare themselves, what can you do). It has already become a thing where in order to rank or be invited to guilds that rank you MUST have 500+ CP.

This negatively impacts many, many people who are basically left out of competitive end-game participation not based on skill, but based on whether they have the free time to mindlessly grind at a no-skill activity 24/7.

Basing power on grinding at a mindless task that requires no skill with no limit is a sure way to kill your game.

ZOS need to act and act fast.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · July 2015

Deathztalker wrote: »

The reason for the bump to VR16 is to fix some of the itemization issues that are currently going on in the game.

Which in real terms means that ALL THE V14 GEAR including your monster helms you spent hours grinding will be WORTHLESS.

ZOS is using gear grinds to fill in the gaps for a lack of content. But after you spend so much time and finally get the gear you want, they can just raise two more vet levels and make all your work worthless and you have to grind again.

What's to say they won't do it again until we have VR20? Let's dispel some myths.

Myth #1: You don't have to raise level caps to make the game more difficult. Are you telling me that v14 DSA or Sanctum is easy for the average player? There are other ways to increase difficulty without level cap.

Myth #2: You don't need to invalidate everyone's hard earned gear to add new gear to the game. New gear should be better than old gear. People should want the new gear because it is ACTUALLY better NOT because they need it because ZOS destroyed the old gear.

Myth #3: New gear needs to give more attributes, more weapon damage, etc to be better. FALSE. Look at the monster helms and master weapons. Ability enhancements and interesting special effects will always be more fun then just a stat increase.

ZOS you told us you are getting rid of Vet ranks. Increases vet ranks is NOT getting rid of them. Leave our gear alone!!!

Bromburak · July 2015

Leave our gear alone!!!

Not gonna happen, phase 1 for money sink.
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