No to VR16

LtCrunch

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

No, I don't think they do. I've been a staunch supporter of many of the decisions ZOS has made, even defending some of their past flip-flops but I can't defend this. If they want to remove them adding 2 more vet levels and everything that comes along with them just makes their job that much harder in the future. It would be back asswards to add more vet ranks just to remove them later on.

LtCrunch

Sharee wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Just another lie. Another betrayal...

1, announce long term plans
2, change long term plans half a year later

Result? You are called a liar!

Solution? Do not announce long term plans!
(do you really want this?)

The thing is that they haven't officially changed their plans. That's the worst part. They're saying it without actually saying it.

Olivierko

How could adding two veteran ranks possibly help them reaching their so called long term goal with the final removal of the veteran ranks is a mystery to me.

Please implement some feature which will allow us to upgrade our existing equipment to VR16 at least.

GamerzElite

Brandalf wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

No, I don't think they do. I've been a staunch supporter of many of the decisions ZOS has made, even defending some of their past flip-flops but I can't defend this. If they want to remove them adding 2 more vet levels and everything that comes along with them just makes their job that much harder in the future. It would be back asswards to add more vet ranks just to remove them later on.

Just thinking same.
"ERIC WROBEL: Removal of veteran rank is our long term goal but its not easy to unbound all V14 items, So we introducing VR16 to close the gap "

The biggest question is, Then how will you unbound V16 items?
Another lie ZOS...

LtCrunch

wraith808 wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

@MissBizz So continue to build upon a flawed, extremely unpopular concept only to remove it years down the road? Which is a direct waste of development dollars. Sorry, I don't buy that.

Well, @nastuug I'm not going to argue you. I definitely didn't say I thought it was smart lol. It does seem super weird to add more when it's said they want to get rid of them.

They realize they need to add content. I think everyone does. But new content without advancement is also self-defeating. And taking the VRs out is a big deal. So... this.

Advancement can exist without additional levels in the form of new and useful items, consumables, sets, etc.that only drop in the new content areas. That's enough to give people that feeling of meaningful advancement. That's the way to do it without making your playerbase feel like you've just handed them a steaming pile of sh*t and told them it was delicious candy.

Lionxoft

lordrichter wrote: »

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UrQuan wrote: »

I'm not defending anything. I'm just sick of people flat-out lying about "ZOS lied". Like I've said many times in this thread, I don't see how increasing the cap makes sense if you're going to remove VR entirely, so obviously I don't agree with their plan. I'm not going to make up complete lies about them because I don't agree with their plan, though. That's the difference between you and me. I prefer to talk about what is and isn't a good idea rather than just smear those I disagree with.

Once again we are on the eve of a content update like Upper Craglorn with no place for Veteran Rank 14 players expand.

That's what the Champion System was for. Well, at least according to the creative director that jumped ship last month.

LtCrunch

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Just watch the Twitch video. Eric Wrobel went into quite a bit of detail as to why veteran ranks can't be removed just yet. They are ingrained into ESO in such a way that they cannot be removed until an entirely new system is created to replace it.

That's what the Champion system was supposed to be. The phase after the Champion system implementation was to remove veteran ranks. That's from the roadmap that ZOS themselves provided, and they never gave us any reason to think there would be anything else in between those two phases regarding veteran ranks/systems. Did the veteran ranks suddenly get more complex since then? Did they change their minds? We need much more clarity on why this flip-flop occured.

BigM

UrQuan wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

OK, @Gandrhulf_Harbard and @Rev Rielle since you're two of the people who are most vocally saying "ZOS lied" in this thread, I'm calling you guys out on it:

I never said ZOZ lied.

I said the correct solution to lying was NOT don't say anything, but to tell the truth.

But I do think they lied.

If I tell you I intend not to rob you, then rob you, but then explain I meant I won't rob you six months from now did I lie?

All The Best

That's nothing at like what happened. So what is the lie that you think ZOS has told? Spell it out for me, because I'm not seeing anything but conspiracy theories coming from you...

"We are removing veteran ranks" - September 2014

"Veteran Rank 16 next update" - July 2015

Pretty straightforward, would you like another?

So are you saying that on 2 July 2015 they didn't also say that they're still going to be removing vet ranks eventually? I'm genuinely asking. Did they or did they not say that the removal of vet ranks is still the long-term plan? If they did, then you're, frankly, lying about what ZOS "lied" about. If they didn't, then you may have a point.

How long is long to you or should I quote Bill Clinton, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is" so a year isn't long enough or is two years long enough? I have never seen a company like ZoS where they make statements and a year later they are still making the same statements. Maybe if they hired good coders and keep them other than outsourcing them they may have already been there! It is no wonder why people are walking away from working with this company. But really all we can do is talk with our wallets.

Oh and @Gandrhulf_Harbard will comment to you guys in a few days!

Amsel_McKay

Brandalf wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Just watch the Twitch video. Eric Wrobel went into quite a bit of detail as to why veteran ranks can't be removed just yet. They are ingrained into ESO in such a way that they cannot be removed until an entirely new system is created to replace it.

That's what the Champion system was supposed to be. The phase after the Champion system implementation was to remove veteran ranks. That's from the roadmap that ZOS themselves provided, and they never gave us any reason to think there would be anything else in between those two phases regarding veteran ranks/systems. Did the veteran ranks suddenly get more complex since then? Did they change their minds? We need much more clarity on why this flip-flop occured.

They need vet ranks... they need to make money on content. If you 2 or 4 levels VR16 and the content matches the new levels people will buy it... If there are no new levels there is no need to buy the new content if you can keep getting CP at the max level of 50.

KingKush

GamerzElite wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

No, I don't think they do. I've been a staunch supporter of many of the decisions ZOS has made, even defending some of their past flip-flops but I can't defend this. If they want to remove them adding 2 more vet levels and everything that comes along with them just makes their job that much harder in the future. It would be back asswards to add more vet ranks just to remove them later on.

Just thinking same.
"ERIC WROBEL: Removal of veteran rank is out long term goal but its not easy to unbound all V14 items, So we introducing VR16 to close the gap "

The biggest question is, Then how will you unbound V16 items?
Another lie ZOS...

They will then add VR18..."to close the gap".

Lionxoft

Here's the logic of it:

• Players express their disinterest and I'd say "disgust" with veteran ranks
• ZOS increases the max VR from v10-12
• Players continue to express their disinterest and I'd say "disgust" with veteran ranks
• ZOS states they plan on removing them
• Players cheer
• Players continue to express their disinterest and I'd say "disgust" with veteran ranks
• ZOS states they plan on removing them
• ZOS increases the max VR from v12-14
• Players continue to express their disinterest and I'd say "disgust" with veteran ranks
• ZOS states they plan on removing them
• ZOS increases the max vr from V14-16
• Players continue to express their disinterest and I'd say "disgust" with veteran ranks

When does it end? If the players don't like it then why keep increasing it? At least start testing out Champion Ranks with itemization if that is the problem but there's absolutely no reason to keep the players at odds with foolish decisions. Yes, increasing vet ranks again after players have expressed their dislike for them is foolish.

JacksonCarter13

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

tordr86b16_ESO

are you f'ing serious ZOS?

SkinnyDG

Much crazy here. Some of you should try making a game yourself. No? Then trade this in or stop playing and stfu. Get over yourselves already.

BigM

SkinnyDG wrote: »

Much crazy here. Some of you should try making a game yourself. No? Then trade this in or stop playing and stfu. Get over yourselves already.

NO!

Rosveen

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

All you did was rename "veteran rank" to "level"... Thanks for trying though.

tordr86b16_ESO

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hey there everyone,

We understand that this is a controversial subject, but we want to remind everyone that while it is ok to disagree with a decision or even another poster, we expect all posts to remain within the Community Rules. If the thread gets too far away from the subject or falls into rude and insulting comments, we will have to close it.

We really appreciate your feedback on this subject, but we ask that you keep it constructive. Thanks for your understanding.

Maybe you guys need a reminder as well. We don't want more Veteran Ranks.

sadownik

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

Amsel_McKay

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

The problem with vet levels has to do with story and how you level, 1-50 is so smooth and works well... then you hit vet levels and you are maxed out on all your skills so you dont "change". You are the same vet 1 to 14 just takes forever and nothing is new...

JacksonCarter13

Yea

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

Thats all the change from veteran ranks is... It's a change of name removing them from the game otherwise will never happen and to what benefit. It's just a naming and gearing issue and this fixes all of it. I don't get what else removing vet ranks would do to the game...

Averya_Teira

Why are they increasing VR to 16 if there's no new content added ? What is the point except sell the XP pots ? Do they think we're that dense ?

sadownik

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

The problem with vet levels has to do with story and how you level, 1-50 is so smooth and works well... then you hit vet levels and you are maxed out on all your skills so you dont "change". You are the same vet 1 to 14 just takes forever and nothing is new...

You hit the nail right there. Add to that gating content with ranks and we are done.

Lazrael

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Why are they increasing VR to 16 if there's no new content added ? What is the point except sell the XP pots ? Do they think we're that dense ?

That is exactly the point.

Lionxoft

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Why are they increasing VR to 16 if there's no new content added ? What is the point except sell the XP pots ? Do they think we're that dense ?

They felt the need to increase the max VR to complete Craglorn too. Funny thing is my vr7 NB could solo pretty much everything there with ease. I'd say it's a gimmick but there's not really anything for them to gain from this except the furthered disrespect from the a part of the playerbase.

Wing

huh, so that's why paul and the konk left.

lathbury

double post

sadownik

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Yea

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

Thats all the change from veteran ranks is... It's a change of name removing them from the game otherwise will never happen and to what benefit. It's just a naming and gearing issue and this fixes all of it. I don't get what else removing vet ranks would do to the game...

I see you dont get it so ill try to explain it to you why i want them gone.

1-50 you have more or less consistend story, your character developes, you learn new skill and traits. After la grande finalle by all means you should expect to be fully leveled and be able to take part in any activities in game. Instead you get not 15 lvls as you propose, but 160 levels time wise without any meaningful character progression. Furthermore you feel disconnected with the story since you feel like you saved the world already. For me its more than enough to demand removing them especially when Z. Promised that themselves and already put a progression system that would swap veteran ranks.

But perhaps its just me.

KingKush

On that note, I think I'll stay at lvl 40 and enjoy some non vet pvp. *** those veteran ranks.

sadownik

lathbury wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

The problem with vet levels has to do with story and how you level, 1-50 is so smooth and works well... then you hit vet levels and you are maxed out on all your skills so you dont "change". You are the same vet 1 to 14 just takes forever and nothing is new...

You hit the nail right there. Add to that gating content with ranks and we are done.

exactly so your problem is not with vet ranks its with a lack of content.
a) to give you multiple ways to get exp be it through questing in NEW zones doing dungeons delves or pvp what you want is options and not be forced to do silver and gold or grind.
b) content that is fun and scales better so less requirment to be max level

No, not really. No idea where you took that from. I

lathbury

sadownik wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

JacksonCarter13 wrote: »

Ok @zos here's a genius idea and bare with me because this is so easy to grasp. Vr ranks gone. Max level is 65. All current vr14 are level 64. You start gaining champion points at level 50. And the new zones drops level 65 gear. Um I don't get why you don't just do this. And then it's done for ever no more problems...

This is stupid really Sorry but it is. So you are propisng to change the name of vet ranks to levles and that equals removing vet ranks? Are you one of those people that belive rebranding ESO to ESO TU was a complete relaunch?

The problem with vet levels has to do with story and how you level, 1-50 is so smooth and works well... then you hit vet levels and you are maxed out on all your skills so you dont "change". You are the same vet 1 to 14 just takes forever and nothing is new...

You hit the nail right there. Add to that gating content with ranks and we are done.

exactly so your problem is not with vet ranks its with a lack of content.
a) to give you multiple ways to get exp be it through questing in NEW zones doing dungeons delves or pvp what you want is options and not be forced to do silver and gold or grind.
b) content that is fun and scales better so less requirment to be max level[

now can we please stop asking them to work on removing vet ranks which with itemisation is gonna take for ever and use no end of dev resources. instead ask for some content and decent exp with it so we dont have to do silver and gold unless we want to.