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Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
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Of course. No news is better than false news. It causes far more harm than good.
In essence what they have been doing is not announcing long terms plans because those they do half the time seem to be untrue.
Moving forward, how can we have any faith in any future news and announcements? They've cried wolf too many times now. It's really unfortunate, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
Edited by Rev Rielle on July 2, 2015 9:37PMIf you can be anything, be kind.4 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
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Actually the solution there is: Tell the freaking truth!
All The Best
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Please tell me what the lie is! Or is something that I listed here inaccurate?:Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
Actually the solution there is: Tell the freaking truth!
All The Best
At the moment I'm really baffled by the people saying that they lied, because unless I'm wrong about what they said in this (which is possible, because like I said I haven't been able to watch it myself), I don't see any lie.OK, so since I'm at work I haven't been able to actually watch the video this info comes from, so I could be wrong on this because it's just based on what I've seen people post, but can someone confirm if this is what was said:- Veteran rank cap will be increased to VR16
- Each vet rank will now require 15% less XP to level
- XP gains will be increased for mobs and questing in the zones after Coldharbour
- The long term plan is still to remove vet ranks, and this is another step towards that
If what I've listed above is accurate as far as what was said, where is the lie that people are complaining about? I mean, I don't really see how increasing the cap to VR16 helps with the ultimate goal of removing vet ranks, but what exactly did ZOS lie about?
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rev Rielle wrote: »
Of course. No news is better than false news. It causes far more harm than good.
In essence what they have been doing is not announcing long terms plans because those they do half the time seem to be untrue.
Moving forward, how can we have any faith in any future news and announcements? They've cried wolf too many times now. It's really unfortunate, but they have no one to blame but themselves.
'Of course', hmm?
And when you follow the 'no news' advice, it won't be long before your forums are full of 'devs do not talk to us enough! Devs ignore us! Bad, bad devs!'
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Please tell me what the lie is! Or is something that I listed here inaccurate?:Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
Actually the solution there is: Tell the freaking truth!
All The Best
At the moment I'm really baffled by the people saying that they lied, because unless I'm wrong about what they said in this (which is possible, because like I said I haven't been able to watch it myself), I don't see any lie.OK, so since I'm at work I haven't been able to actually watch the video this info comes from, so I could be wrong on this because it's just based on what I've seen people post, but can someone confirm if this is what was said:- Veteran rank cap will be increased to VR16
- Each vet rank will now require 15% less XP to level
- XP gains will be increased for mobs and questing in the zones after Coldharbour
- The long term plan is still to remove vet ranks, and this is another step towards that
If what I've listed above is accurate as far as what was said, where is the lie that people are complaining about? I mean, I don't really see how increasing the cap to VR16 helps with the ultimate goal of removing vet ranks, but what exactly did ZOS lie about?
Do really believe to hold true #4. "The long term plan is still to remove vet ranks"? Why add some just to remove later? Who does that?Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?3 -
Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
Actually the solution there is: Tell the freaking truth!
All The Best
*chuckles*
I know, simple right? Clearly it's too much to ask.
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A real slap to the face to people with multiple VR14 characters. I REALLY don't feel like going 2x VR levels per alt to be able to use maxed out gearI just love chaos!2 -
tengri✭✭✭✭✭Well, disappointed to see nothing has changed at the helm... at all.
The leading rat was smart enough to jump ship last month but the ship is still steering at full speed head-on towards a real big rock... that's probably gonna hurt. Soon™.Edited by tengri on July 2, 2015 9:48PM8 -
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✭The price of rare V14 gear just bombed on live.
Time for a break I guess, lots of new mmo's to try and need to finish of Witcher 3.
How is added vet ranks a step towards removing them?Edited by Natjur on July 2, 2015 9:56PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »
Actually the solution there is: Tell the freaking truth!
All The Best
And how are they supposed to know what 'the truth' will be half a year after the telling?Edited by Sharee on July 2, 2015 9:58PM1 -
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✭Please no Zenimax, people hate the Veteran System, you know this, you've acknowleged it before, don't make a giant mistake by increasing it further.
You've had good communication and good responses from your community at large in general, DO NOT become a Blizzard or Bungie and give your fans the finger and tell us to snip off. Blizzard fails heavily with apexis dailies and Bungie fails even harder with a massive lack of content. Zenmiax, your community HATES the veteran system, it is NO MORE than an awful grind, we DON'T want it. Champion is fine, a little progression here and there, but please, I beg you, do NOT go through with this, DON'T increase the veteran rank, we hate it, we despise it and we don't want it.
Focus on making the world scaled, as you previously said you would. Make all new content scale to the user so everyone can experience it together. THAT is a super awesome way, but DO NOT increase veteran rank level or have a veteran rank requirement for new content.
For the love of your entire community and playerbase, either keep the veteran ranks at 14, or remove it entirely so its only 'veteran'. But don't increase it to VR-16.Nighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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✭✭And how are they supposed to know what will be 'the truth' half a year after the telling?
By having a proper business plan, confidence in the competence of their employees and a genuine passion for their game.
SWTOR announced FE at E3.
To all intents and purposes that release date is now set in stone, 4 months from now.
If they can do it, Zeni should be able to do it.
That they can't is quite worrying.
It suggests:
1) No clear road-map for the game ahead, so that resources are pulled between conflicting deadlines.
2) A lack of confidence in their staff to be able to deliver on what was promised.
3) Taken together that indicates that a) they have no idea what is actually involved in delivering this game and b) they have no idea what they are doing.
Now, is there anything in those three points I have just made that DOESN'T fit with the known facts about the last 12 months of ESO?
All The BestEdited by Gandrhulf_Harbard on July 2, 2015 10:03PMThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
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GaldorP✭✭✭✭✭What I'm worried about most is that grinding with alts will be the only way to get decent Champion XP solo, as VR 16 characters currently would have no zones at all where they can grind (except for VDSA) and there probably won't be any way to avoid getting VR 16 with current VR 14 chars
So I hope there will be VR 14+ PvE zones when the max rank is increased to 16 ><Edited by GaldorP on July 2, 2015 10:04PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'll be fine with V16 as soon as we have enough content to justify it. We don't even have enough content for V11+ really. Stop putting the cart before the horse. Content first, then level cap increases. A number of members of my guild have been grinding away from V11+ in order to get to end game and it's extremely frustrating. Once you finish Cadwell's Gold you have a huge void where your options for leveling are slow dailies in Craglorn, average dailies in Cyrodiil or just not leveling up at all anymore. Add in the fact that we are PUNISHED for playing with more than 2 in a group and you start to get angry players fighting for the few decent grind spots in the game in V10 zones.
I REALLY hope that ZOS is also considering where people are going to be leveling up in the future. The V10 zones start to give diminished xp starting at V14. Once you hit V15 the xp will be reduced to pointlessness. V15 players will need somewhere to go to get their xp. Where exactly will that be?1 -
parpin✭✭✭so far 4 pages long thread and 90% of people who posted here are against the vr16..if i was developer i would probably think about the whole vr thing..we will see how big this thread will get and how many more are against it.Edited by parpin on July 2, 2015 10:06PM1 -
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✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »V15 players will need somewhere to go to get their xp. Where exactly will that be?
Crown Store XP potions.
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ZigaZuzek✭✭✭I hate Veteran Ranks. Leveling in this game is way too slow and painful even with the silly xp potions. I hope we don't get more ranks in the end. Horrible decision.Edited by ZigaZuzek on July 2, 2015 10:09PMGuilds: ● Hodor ● The Wabbajack ●
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✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »redspecter23 wrote: »V15 players will need somewhere to go to get their xp. Where exactly will that be?
Crown Store XP potions.
All The Best
Crown store xp pots add a %. When your xp per mob drops to 100 or less adding 50xp to that is still pointless. We need more content. XP pots that add a % can't help the situation even if that is the plan. Besides, who would buy crown store scrolls when the in game potions are nearing 5k or less each right now. You make that gold back + more on the loot you get from the mobs you're grinding.
Edited by redspecter23 on July 2, 2015 10:10PM1 -
Brasseurfb16_ESO✭✭✭✭I am realy disapointed, I was hoping to get my Templar tank to VR14 and craft some decent gear with the gold I farmed (since my hirelings became totaly useless) and now I'll have to get an extra 2 levels and reequip all my guys while having 0 new content to do? This is so messed up...1 -
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✭✭so far 4 pages long thread and 90% of people who posted here are against the vr16..if i was developer i would probably think about the whole vr thing..we will see how big this thread will get and how many more are against it.
Question is: what percentage of the player base are we? Whether for or against the change. Do our comments really have that much of an impact of decisions made?Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭With the cap increase to V16 will we at least have Cyrodiil mobs and vet dungeons scale up to V16 as well? Please tell me you won't keep them at V12 or scale only to V14 for some crazy reason (as cap is currently V14 and they only scale to V12 right now. baffling).
Please remember all the things that need to change with a level cap increase.
Alchemy potions
Provisioning food/drink and recipes
New gear
Scaling up to the new cap for dungeons and Cyrodiil
New content to run in order to gain that xp
Also remember that some content gets obsoleted due to being too high a level. Everything Vet10 and lower is useless to a V15+ for xp purposes.Edited by redspecter23 on July 2, 2015 10:15PM3 -
Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭so far 4 pages long thread and 90% of people who posted here are against the vr16..if i was developer i would probably think about the whole vr thing..we will see how big this thread will get and how many more are against it.
Question is: what percentage of the player base are we? Whether for or against the change. Do our comments really have that much of an impact of decisions made?
It did when the original VR territories got nerfed to permit more solo play.Edited by Zorrashi on July 2, 2015 10:14PM0 -
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✭✭✭All your VR14 builds, items and sets are useless, thanks for watching and please buy our new horse and exp scrolls! content coming soon!tm
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parpin✭✭✭so far 4 pages long thread and 90% of people who posted here are against the vr16..if i was developer i would probably think about the whole vr thing..we will see how big this thread will get and how many more are against it.
Question is: what percentage of the player base are we? Whether for or against the change. Do our comments really have that much of an impact of decisions made?
well to be honest no.. and it very small %..but it is a little indication about what at least some of the active players are thinking about and are they happy with the game..nothing more.
the only real effect is $$$..if people unsub..we will see.0 -
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✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Crown store xp pots add a %. When your xp per mob drops to 100 or less adding 50xp to that is still pointless. We need more content.
I am fully aware of that.redspecter23 wrote: »Besides, who would buy crown store scrolls when the in game potions are nearing 5k or less each right now. You make that gold back + more on the loot you get from the mobs you're grinding.
You honestly think that Zeni can't change that?
Decrease the drop rate for Roe, Frost Mirriam and Bervez Juice: double or treble the cost of a potion.
Reduce the value of vendor trash loot by 80% (use the excuse that there is too much spare gold floating around and the in-game economy is suffering): you are now losing money on each potion.
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ZigaZuzek✭✭✭Did they even mention the lag/fps problems on NA servers? Nope..
Instead of bug, exploit and lag fixes, we are getting two new useless Veteran Ranks. I don't want to grind up all my characters, it was horrible enough to grind more chars up to v14. Painful, painful and again, painful. I want to enjoy the game finally.Edited by ZigaZuzek on July 2, 2015 10:21PMGuilds: ● Hodor ● The Wabbajack ●
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✭✭✭✭✭Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »And how are they supposed to know what will be 'the truth' half a year after the telling?
By having a proper business plan, confidence in the competence of their employees and a genuine passion for their game.
SWTOR announced FE at E3.
To all intents and purposes that release date is now set in stone, 4 months from now.
If they can do it, Zeni should be able to do it.
That they can't is quite worrying.
It suggests:
1) No clear road-map for the game ahead, so that resources are pulled between conflicting deadlines.
2) A lack of confidence in their staff to be able to deliver on what was promised.
3) Taken together that indicates that a) they have no idea what is actually involved in delivering this game and b) they have no idea what they are doing.
Now, is there anything in those three points I have just made that DOESN'T fit with the known facts about the last 12 months of ESO?
All The Best
You can have a proper business plan, you can have confidence, competence and a truckload of passion, and you still won't be able to guarantee that what you planned half a year ago will be possible today.
Because you cannot possibly anticipate everything that happens in those six months that will influence your plans.
Plans are plans, not contracts written in stone and signed with blood. They are a statement of intent, nothing more.
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