No to VR16

ItsGlaive

Endless-Shogun wrote: »

I'm excited for veteran rank expansion.
i like their end-game concept.
much better than other mmos.

No different to any other mmo at all. They've simply found a new name for levels and stretched out the XP required by more than is normal in an mmo. Functionally it's exactly the same as every other copy pasta themepark in this regard.

Akavir_Sentinel

Gidorick wrote: »

Ugh... they need to just make them levels!!!!

They are levels. Levels that take more XP than lower ones.

Stop complaining already. Vet rank XP requirements is being reduced from 1 million down to 850k.

Sharee

nastuug wrote: »

Just another lie. Another betrayal...

1, announce long term plans
2, change long term plans half a year later

Result? You are called a liar!

Solution? Do not announce long term plans!
(do you really want this?)

Cernow

VR16? Gah, no thanks.

I ran out of content at VR11 having completed Cadwells Gold and fully cleared all the zones along the way. Since then I've been slowly plodding through VR12 via tedious mob grinding. I was already running low on the willpower needed to reach VR14, so VR16 just gets a fat thumbs down from me.

In short, CBA.

BBSooner

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

"Akavir_Sentinel wrote:

For those who don't want it, sorry. Earn the veteran ranks just like everyone else has.

So you came after the craglorn patch or what is the definition of earning?

Been here since day 1 and multiple VR14 characters. The whines are coming from those who don't want to grind out the ranks and champion points. They want to be on an even playing field as soon as they install the game.

I'd rather have content than an even easier ride through a 15 minute trial via higher VR/CL.

Zorrashi

Not. Cool. Don't just promise something and not deliver. Veteran ranks were supposed to be removed.

Shadesofkin

I agree with the reasoning they used when they explained that they would have to expand Veteran Ranks for the time being.

Rev Rielle

Spectral_Lord wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Once again Zenimax lied to our faces for months.
Honestly, when will development learn?

Hopefully the hard way, which seems to be the only way to get to them. Though I'm leaning towards the side where they can't.

Well really this was their big chance. They were so vocal - and proud - when they announced the removal of Veteren Ranks.
What did they think? It was going to be smooth sailing with the conversion and there would be not hurdles to overcome? For a little bit of pain now they could have saved a lot of pain in future with regards to new content and new zones (e.g. eventually they will have to redo Craglorn now as when it's not 'end game' it won't be possible to do; more work for them fixing the game rather than adding to it).

They talked the talk about this, they 'listened' to everyone how Veteran Ranks were so disliked. That's what they told us. Honestly, it's clear now they haven't listened at all. It's always easy from the outside looking to see how things should be done, but really this is a case where their utter lack of respect for their community - and their own values it appears - just shines more brightly than Jone and Jode ever could.

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nastuug

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

@MissBizz So continue to build upon a flawed, extremely unpopular concept only to remove it years down the road? Which is a direct waste of development dollars. Sorry, I don't buy that.

BBSooner

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

So, we can chalk it up to:

Long term goals:
- Wrothgar
- IC
- Cyrodiil lag
- Clockwork city
- Mephala's realm
- Murkmire
- Thieves Guild
- Dark Brotherhood
- Removing VR

Short term goals:
- Blue horse

B2P has been so great.

Pallmor

Chufu wrote: »

I don't understand Eric Wrobel when he talked. What was the exactly reason for VR 16? Can somebody who understands Eric better explain that to me again?

To keep us playing the game.

MissBizz

nastuug wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

@MissBizz So continue to build upon a flawed, extremely unpopular concept only to remove it years down the road? Which is a direct waste of development dollars. Sorry, I don't buy that.

Well, @nastuug I'm not going to argue you. I definitely didn't say I thought it was smart lol. It does seem super weird to add more when it's said they want to get rid of them.

DivinityDay

Tolmos wrote: »

They call it a "gear treadmill" for a reason... you will never, EVER reach the end.

[snip]

I for one am all for it. I like to keep advancing and working towards something aside from the Champion Point system. I'd be a happy camper if for each DLC released (coupled with the difficulty increasing) if there was a new Vet level and gear appropriate to that level to acquire.


Why wouldn't we want this? It would increase the economy in game too. People would have to buy mats again to either craft the new stuff or upgrade via yellow mats. Go the extra mile and make new gear thats for that VET level increase WHITE quality. Now we have to go upgrade it etc..

nastuug

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

@MissBizz So continue to build upon a flawed, extremely unpopular concept only to remove it years down the road? Which is a direct waste of development dollars. Sorry, I don't buy that.

Well, @nastuug I'm not going to argue you. I definitely didn't say I thought it was smart lol. It does seem super weird to add more when it's said they want to get rid of them.

Didn't want to argue, @MissBizz. Just disgusting to see a company repeatedly lie to their players... no, their customers. Absolutely unacceptable.

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Paske

Veteran ranks combined by complete lack of content updates are why I left ESO a while ago.

Still I lingered around waiting on good news.

Clearly this is not going to happened.

They will simply add Veteran ranks.

Its looks like there is no proverbial "endgame".
Just constant level grinding.

Shame.

Its like hoping your terminally person will suddenly feel better because doctors slap him around every few days stating this will help.

Prizax

I'm loving it... looking forward to v20 :P

sztartureb17_ESO

I have been a subscriber since day one. I have multiple characters at VR14.

I kept playing this game because PvP is the best experience I could find on the market.

I always despised veteran ranks and I despise the champion system.

I WANT TO PvP and do endgame and not grind for levels, champion points.

As soon as a guildmate told about the new Veteran ranks I immediately logged out and cancelled my subscription.

Shame on you ZOS you bunch of liars.

Good bye.

nastuug

sztartureb17_ESO wrote: »

I have been a subscriber since day one. I have multiple characters at VR14.

I kept playing this game because PvP is the best experience I could find on the market.

I always despised veteran ranks and I despise the champion system.

I WANT TO PvP and do endgame and not grind for levels, champion points.

As soon as a guildmate told about the new Veteran ranks I immediately logged out and cancelled my subscription.

Shame on you ZOS you bunch of liars.

Good bye.

Look ZOS. Another customer turns their back on you permanently. How many more will it take, I wonder...

sztartureb17_ESO

And one more thing. If you want this to end, vote with your purses!

MissBizz

nastuug wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Thalmont wrote: »

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, what happened? What's with this whole "Veteran Rank 16" craze about? Did QuakeCon already occur or did I just fall asleep?

With how this thread is proceeding you'd have thought you awoke in hell.
Seriously though I'm new to ESO being on Console and all, but I'm VR1 and don't see much issue. I wasn't there for the great 12 month content drought many talk about but you weathered through that so honestly how is 2 VR all that bad?

It's more the point that the last thing we heard from ZOS a few months back was that they were planning on literally phasing out the VR. Now we hear they are increasing the VR cap. Just another lie. Another betrayal...

Well, in ESO live they did say it's a LONG term goal.. so they still want to..

@MissBizz So continue to build upon a flawed, extremely unpopular concept only to remove it years down the road? Which is a direct waste of development dollars. Sorry, I don't buy that.

Well, @nastuug I'm not going to argue you. I definitely didn't say I thought it was smart lol. It does seem super weird to add more when it's said they want to get rid of them.

Didn't want to argue, @MissBizz. Just disgusting to see a company repeatedly lie to their players... no, their customers. Absolutely unacceptable.

Sorry @nastuug argue was a bad word choice, I didn't think you were. I guess disagree would have been better. I guess I was just still stating they didn't actually say they aren't doing it anymore.

Mitchblue

Shadesofkin wrote: »

I agree with the reasoning they used when they explained that they would have to expand Veteran Ranks for the time being.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. They decided to add to something they eventually want to get rid of?

Pallmor

Sharee wrote: »

They said the are going to release many new sets with the coming expansion, so the old gear will become obsolete anyway, new VR's or not.

UrQuan

OK, so since I'm at work I haven't been able to actually watch the video this info comes from, so I could be wrong on this because it's just based on what I've seen people post, but can someone confirm if this is what was said:

• Veteran rank cap will be increased to VR16
• Each vet rank will now require 15% less XP to level
• XP gains will be increased for mobs and questing in the zones after Coldharbour
• The long term plan is still to remove vet ranks, and this is another step towards that

If what I've listed above is accurate as far as what was said, where is the lie that people are complaining about? I mean, I don't really see how increasing the cap to VR16 helps with the ultimate goal of removing vet ranks, but what exactly did ZOS lie about?

BBSooner

UrQuan wrote: »

OK, so since I'm at work I haven't been able to actually watch the video this info comes from, so I could be wrong on this because it's just based on what I've seen people post, but can someone confirm if this is what was said:

• Veteran rank cap will be increased to VR16
• Each vet rank will now require 15% less XP to level
• XP gains will be increased for mobs and questing in the zones after Coldharbour
• The long term plan is still to remove vet ranks, and this is another step towards that

If what I've listed above is accurate as far as what was said, where is the lie that people are complaining about? I mean, I don't really see how increasing the cap to VR16 helps with the ultimate goal of removing vet ranks, but what exactly did ZOS lie about?

I would also disagree that there was some "lie" being perpetrated.

I say that however questioning the wisdom in spending development time/money adding to something that is, supposedly, being phased out. It is incredibly counter intuitive and really telling about their design process.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

WebBull wrote: »

It's an MMO. Additional levels or VR's should be expected.

Not after they've been saying for the past 3 months they are planning to remove them.

Over on Reddit they pretty strongly said that VR Xp requirement would be reduced to around 400k - 500k per vet ranks.

A 15% reduction takes it to 850k; but they're adding two new VRs.

So the actual reduction in overall grind XP is just 2.9%.

Rather than the approx 50% reduction they were talking about.

We are being taken for fools.

All The Best

Suru

Lol our gear tho, youd think when they mention removing them the last thing they would do is make a vr16. Pls @ZoS just cap it at vr14, make everyone happy.

RedTalon

Thats great news will give me a reason to finish up the cad gold thing, ebonheart pact story is boring save for the lizard area

Mitchblue

"I promise you'll getting a pardon. But first you need to spend 2 more years in prison." - Governor.