No to VR16

sadownik

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

With this companies track record they may as well just bump it up to Vet 500.

Ahh i see it!

"-Granpa, granpa tell me again how they will remove all 500 veteran ranks and all will be on lvl 50 and tons of champion points to customize their build!
- Never loose faith my grandson for it was foretold! My Father - holy man just liked Mountain dew a little too much- was the witness to that maginifcient moment! The day will come and perhaps you will live to see it! It will be glorious i tell you, GLORIOUS!"

Yeah something like that i assume.

sadownik

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Look i honestly think this all discussions leads to nowhere. Vr 16 are comming with IC either we like it or not. Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not.

That's the funny thing: 14 million XP is currently 14 Vet Ranks. Under update 7, it'll be 16.4 Vet Ranks. (14 million / 850,000 = 16.470)
Update 7 will actually get you to max level faster than currently

Oh my! I started playing 2 days after launch, and now i got vr 8, so you are telling me ill get to vr 16 before polar caps melt? That would be sweet.

Lord_Draevan

sadownik wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Look i honestly think this all discussions leads to nowhere. Vr 16 are comming with IC either we like it or not. Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not.

That's the funny thing: 14 million XP is currently 14 Vet Ranks. Under update 7, it'll be 16.4 Vet Ranks. (14 million / 850,000 = 16.470)
Update 7 will actually get you to max level faster than currently

Oh my! I started playing 2 days after launch, and now i got vr 8, so you are telling me ill get to vr 16 before polar caps melt? That would be sweet.

It's still slow going, certainly. But now it'll be... slightly faster... yay? XD
I'm desperately trying to find a silver lining in this, I'm disappointed Vet Ranks aren't being removed but instead expanded upon this update.

sadownik

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Look i honestly think this all discussions leads to nowhere. Vr 16 are comming with IC either we like it or not. Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not.

That's the funny thing: 14 million XP is currently 14 Vet Ranks. Under update 7, it'll be 16.4 Vet Ranks. (14 million / 850,000 = 16.470)
Update 7 will actually get you to max level faster than currently

Oh my! I started playing 2 days after launch, and now i got vr 8, so you are telling me ill get to vr 16 before polar caps melt? That would be sweet.

It's still slow going, certainly. But now it'll be... slightly faster... yay? XD
I'm desperately trying to find a silver lining in this, I'm disappointed Vet Ranks aren't being removed but instead expanded upon.

Well yes dissapointement is there too, but rather because you see a game that, because of huge budget and great franchize emphasizing freedom of actions, had a chance to walk off the beaten path. And here i am seeing as it takes the path of least resistance and people cheer it.

How beautyful it could be!

Someone dont want to fight - levels by crafting, kill list states 2 wolves and a doe on lvl 50. Having private workshop in instanced house, mastering crafts to the point that he can make set of items - all sets have to be crafted and the skill to do that is not easy to obtain. His friend prefer gore so gets him materials loot to deconstruct getting decent gear in return, etc. etc...

But we get that warmed up "every mmo needs items progresion" bullcrap. Perhaps but it can be done wisely, or Z> way.

Peace out, worm vodka and cold women await.

Cagro

The game is designed for people who play for very long hours. I do not mind a little grind but reaching VR14 and now VR 16 for someone like me who usually play an hour a day is not reasonable. I just want to PVP, and win or lose because of my skill not my VR level.

Faulgor

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

With this companies track record they may as well just bump it up to Vet 500. This game is really starting to remind me of when I was younger playing Korean grindfest MMOS

Say what you want, the best MMO I played was a Korean "grindfest", Ragnarok Online. Took forever to get to max level (99), but that's not the point, because there's more than enough to do along the way and the game doesn't lock you out of content because your level is too low, or keeps you in a narrow level bracket outside of which you won't get any rewards at all.
If you want to kill bosses at level 50, have a go. And if you succeed, the gear won't be scaled to your level and be worthless once you get higher, it will always be valuable. And you want to level to actually get stronger and beat harder content, because you can't run through everything like a hot knife through butter.

Good times. The likes of which we'll never see again.

lathbury

Cagro wrote: »

The game is designed for people who play for very long hours. I do not mind a little grind but reaching VR14 and now VR 16 for someone like me who usually play an hour a day is not reasonable. I just want to PVP, and win or lose because of my skill not my VR level.

even when you get to vr16 your gonna get melted by ppl with loads of cp's its the nature of the mmo beast you play more your character grows.

sadownik

lathbury wrote: »

Cagro wrote: »

The game is designed for people who play for very long hours. I do not mind a little grind but reaching VR14 and now VR 16 for someone like me who usually play an hour a day is not reasonable. I just want to PVP, and win or lose because of my skill not my VR level.

even when you get to vr16 your gonna get melted by ppl with loads of cp's its the nature of the mmo beast you play more your character grows.

If there is no catch up point then the game is flawed. And yes i know that there is catch up point in eso - 3600 cp.

Sharee

sadownik wrote: »

Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not. Buffs to xp have no substantial meaning ei.. well you know already.

That largely depends on how you are getting your XP.

For me, the time will be substantially less, because i leveled all my VR characters through cyrodiil dailies, which will now give me 50% more XP, in addition to the VR's now being 15% cheaper to get.

Not to mention i am doing those dailies anyway, for champion XP, so i will get those VRs 'free' - that is, i don't have to do anything i wouldn't be doing anyway, and the 2 veteran ranks will just 'happen' on the side.

sadownik

Sharee wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not. Buffs to xp have no substantial meaning ei.. well you know already.

That largely depends on how you are getting your XP.

For me, the time will be substantially less, because i leveled all my VR characters through cyrodiil dailies, which will now give me 50% more XP, in addition to the VR's now being 15% cheaper to get.

Not to mention i am doing those dailies anyway, for champion XP, so i will get those VRs 'free' - that is, i don't have to do anything i wouldn't be doing anyway, and the 2 veteran ranks will just 'happen' on the side.

Are you sure? As far as ive hear its + 50% to veteran quests .

GorraShatan

Rylana wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

This "people" doesn't mind VR levels. Just saying.

I assure you there are a lot more of us than you. Just saying.

It's a pain in the ass but we really do need another tier of gear progression. Things have been getting stale.

Fruity_Ninja

This just seems like a bandaid solution to fill our time, in place of a lack of new content.

It does seem kind of counter intuitive to implement given they want to remove vet ranks. My gut feel is that this task seems too difficult i.e. how do they deal with gear, how do they make a vr14/16 not lose out on their investment over a 1st time level 50 etc. They likely won't do it ever, but maybe I'm reading into it too much.

Either way I'm not regearing for level 16 I just did 3x vr14s full kitted out in gold armor/weapons + vr14 jewel sets. I think I'll just level to vr16 and wait to see what direction they will take with VRs, gear, content and the game in general.

Bars

sorry guys don't know if asked i didnt read 16 pages , but do you think IC will be pvp only ,because if it is I might as well drop the game now ?

Attorneyatlawl

lathbury wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

so removing them progresses your character how?

It allows all characters who reach level 50 to participate in trials, craglorn, and veteran dungeons, it opens up the game.

You have a horizontal progression system in CP's, you don't need a vertical one

Increasing the VR means if you aren't capped, good luck finding a group, especially as a tank. You don't find groups as a VR3 tank for veteran dungeons.

wrong cp's are not horizontal lol 25% boost to all stats is way more than vr's give. as for good look finding a group if your not capped if they reduce the level to 50 and scale the dungeons to 50 1)you wont get a group till your 50.will they be scaled to zero cp's cause if so most ppl will anhilate them thus reducing endgame content further. If they are scaled higher and you have any less than what they are scaled at say 100 and guess what you still wont get an inv to top groups.

In short vet ranks to dont gate content nearly as much as cp's could and atm a v3 is capable of doing vet dsa if played well.

The actual diminishing returns applied artificially are variable in one of five groups, ranging from fairly minor to severe, depending on which scaling group a given passive is in. However, between the minor added curve even on the best scaling group, your relative gain from each set of points progressively gets significantly worse. Here is the info and some examples in a chart I made a few ago

MrDenimChicken

oh my god....it's like they are trying to anger their customers. I was leveling slowly in this game (because i dont want to get past 50) while playing GW2 because I expect VR to be removed. Now I'm just gonna not play this game until I hear they remove it. Holy mother of god these people are both clueless and disrespectful (whether intentionally or not) to their playerbase.

lathbury

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

so removing them progresses your character how?

It allows all characters who reach level 50 to participate in trials, craglorn, and veteran dungeons, it opens up the game.

You have a horizontal progression system in CP's, you don't need a vertical one

Increasing the VR means if you aren't capped, good luck finding a group, especially as a tank. You don't find groups as a VR3 tank for veteran dungeons.

wrong cp's are not horizontal lol 25% boost to all stats is way more than vr's give. as for good look finding a group if your not capped if they reduce the level to 50 and scale the dungeons to 50 1)you wont get a group till your 50.will they be scaled to zero cp's cause if so most ppl will anhilate them thus reducing endgame content further. If they are scaled higher and you have any less than what they are scaled at say 100 and guess what you still wont get an inv to top groups.

In short vet ranks to dont gate content nearly as much as cp's could and atm a v3 is capable of doing vet dsa if played well.

The actual diminishing returns applied artificially are variable in one of five groups, ranging from fairly minor to severe, depending on which scaling group a given passive is in. However, between the minor added curve even on the best scaling group, your relative gain from each set of points progressively gets significantly worse. Here is the info and some examples in a chart I made a few ago

while interesting to see the diminishing return scaling it doesnt alter the fact that a grinder who has 100 cp's invested in the lines that buff his build is going to have 25% more damage, regen and resistance compared to a new v1 which is a bigger difference than vet ranks offer

Lord_Draevan

Removed, realised something that makes point moot.

eldermpsmithrwb17_ESO

I thought Champion System was supposed to supersede the veteran ranks, we don't need or want extra vet levels, just new content.

How about gear that can only be fitted at certain CP levels ??

Kupoking

I predict v17-18 for Orsinium update. Dont upgrade your v16 gear yet

Glory

I miss the old MMO days when people got excited about the ability to grow stronger in levels, to see the accompanying content, and didn't want everything handed to them when it came.

painsworth01

Fellow Gamers,

Get a grip! It's a game!

I personally like the idea of raising vet levels to 16. I have been dubious all along of the drum roll for abandoning vet levels as so much the game dynamic is tied to those levels -- power issues, gear, etc. Not to mention human nature! Most people need goals to aim for and level 50 for all with a basket full of cp to choose from probably will not meet that need.

And yes, i just spent some loot on gear for my vet 14's but at least now i can play them again with a goal in mind.

Enjoy the changes. We all get something and we all get dinged here and there. Fair enuff.

Rhakon

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

I miss the old MMO days when people got excited about the ability to grow stronger in levels, to see the accompanying content, and didn't want everything handed to them when it came.

yes but maxlvl is not the vr16 its championspoints 3600..
so its just a itemreset...

MisterBigglesworth

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

I predict v17-18 for Orsinium update. Dont upgrade your v16 gear yet

Yeah and probably V19-20 for Dark Brotherhood (assuming that a big DLC with lots of content as well)

nimander99

The miss-information here is staggering... the VR increase will not occur UNTIL NEW CONTENT IS RELEASED!

OrangeTheCat

Wow, I just came back to these forums after leaving the game after it went B2P and you all STILL have VR levels? Just, wow. I feel for you. So does ZOS still "plan" to remove them or was that all just make believe?

OrangeTheCat

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Wow, I just came back to these forums after leaving the game after it went B2P and you all STILL have VR levels? Just, wow. I feel for you. So does ZOS still "plan" to remove them or was that all just make believe?

Oh, and what's more, didn't ZOS promise to not ever raise VR levels and ultimately remove them in favor of champion points? Whatever happened to that. LOL.

lathbury

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

Wow, I just came back to these forums after leaving the game after it went B2P and you all STILL have VR levels? Just, wow. I feel for you. So does ZOS still "plan" to remove them or was that all just make believe?

Oh, and what's more, didn't ZOS promise to not ever raise VR levels and ultimately remove them in favor of champion points? Whatever happened to that. LOL.

well in that case your timing is impeccable showing up just as this was announced

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Id love to see where ZOS promised never to raise the VR levels.

Lord_Draevan

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Id love to see where ZOS promised never to raise the VR levels.

Yeah, ZOS never said they wouldn't raise the Vet Rank cap after V14, only that it'd be removed eventually.

Pheefs

15% less to level each time, plus two new levels, sounds like its really about pacing and payoff...

& to me it also feels like a conversion, getting it ready for whatever will replace VR.