No to VR16

c0rp

If a year without new content wasnt long enough to remove VR then these "devs" never will. In before mass console exodus...so many lies from this company.

wraith808

Arato wrote: »

delushin wrote: »

+1 - To increasing level cap and releasing new gear to work towards.

+1 - To new content to explore and +1 to have green gear drop in that new content that is better then purple and gold! AKA as progression to even more better purple and gold gear.

+1 - To having crazy raid and trial gear stuck behind bosses that need skill and coordinated groups to kill them.

+1 - To fixing servers to allow 24 man raids, having said that though they will be very interesting with the current combat system hahaha anyways bring them on!

There is no new content to explore, they're just raising the cap.

Jessica already said they're releasing this with Imperial City.

infraction2008b16_ESO

c0rp wrote: »

If a year without new content wasnt long enough to remove VR then these "devs" never will. In before mass console exodus...so many lies from this company.

I think we can accept VR is never going away, adding more ranks is only going to make things harder for them to rebalance everything after a removal.

I feel if VR was ever going to get removed it would of happened before the console release, just I wish they would be honest about this instead of trying to spin it and make out that adding more ranks is just a stage towards removal when clearly this is not the case.

GreySix

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »

I don't mind Veteran Ranks, but if we werent forced into repeating other factions and let it be completed by choice, then it wouldnt be so bad, but they do need a zone to allow you to get XP from vet 1-10 at least, so it feels fresh. Its not alt friendly otherwise.

This is the first I've heard of the mention of Vet rank increase. Can i please have the link to where this was mentioned? Is it all official? Or speculation?

It was during yesterdays ESO live on twitch www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios

All this swarm of "no to VR" whine topics didnt appear just like that out of nowhere.

If you want the latest on ESO news, their own website is the last place to look.

One must instead seek such news from the hot social media of the minute.

Amsel_McKay

Just woke up this morning thinking about how much fun its going to be to get two more levels... I mean that will give me at least 2 more skill points and 200ish more HP... I can shave about 14seconds off my trial times as well... woot...

Lord_Draevan

Are we getting any new content for these extra Vet Ranks?

Amsel_McKay

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Are we getting any new content for these extra Vet Ranks?

Yeah Imperial City PvP (for $25-$40)

sadownik

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Are we getting any new content for these extra Vet Ranks?

Yeah Imperial City PvP (for $25-$40)

Nah i think "the great news" we will recive on 13 will be that we are getting IC "for free". People will be cheering, white knights triumphantly charging from one end of the forums to the other, all will be forgotten about vr 16 and most importantly that the "free" IC was already paid with subs year ago.

ZOS_GinaBruno

wraith808 wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

delushin wrote: »

+1 - To increasing level cap and releasing new gear to work towards.

+1 - To new content to explore and +1 to have green gear drop in that new content that is better then purple and gold! AKA as progression to even more better purple and gold gear.

+1 - To having crazy raid and trial gear stuck behind bosses that need skill and coordinated groups to kill them.

+1 - To fixing servers to allow 24 man raids, having said that though they will be very interesting with the current combat system hahaha anyways bring them on!

There is no new content to explore, they're just raising the cap.

Jessica already said they're releasing this with Imperial City.

Correct. Like Jess said yesterday, the VR increase will come with Imperial City, which we'll begin discussing in detail on July 13th.

Lord_Draevan

Not sure if I'm remembering this correctly, but won't the Imperial City only be accessible to the faction that controls all 6 Red Ring Keeps, the other 2 alliances are locked out until they take the Red Ring? Or will it be accessible to all 3 alliances at all times?

I hope it's the latter, if not I can't imaging we DC on NA getting in much

Schattenherz

The VR increase will come with Imperial City
The new VR16 sets will only drop in Imperial City
The new VR16 materials will only drop in Imperial City

are you sure you don´t want to buy Imperial City ?

Saturn

People make the explanation that "Oh this is good because then we can grind gear again." Problem is, most of the gear you will be grinding is stuff you already have, just two levels higher..

Furthermore, ESO, to me at least, is not a game centered around gear progression, but rather skill progression. Currently it is not the gear that makes you a better player, but rather your experience, gear only augments your abilities. If ESO was a generic gear progression game then people with the best gear in PvP would be strongest (to an extend) or pull the highest dps in PvE content. As it stands right now it is more about your reaction time, build and skill that matters in PvP, and in PvE it is more about rotation than gear sets.

The reason why VR16 to me is a bad idea is because it might indicate the game going towards gear progression and then we'll see level cap increases every expansion to the game and new better gear to make you stronger. Further, they clearly stated multiple times that part of the Champion System was to remove the veteran ranks. To me ESO does not need more levels for you to grind, it needs content. Most people will play your expansions if they are fun, challenging and offer worthwhile rewards, you don't need a new max level to intice people to play something.

A lot of people have never completed the Craglorn questline because they did not care, however much ZOS tries to nerf grinding spots that won't ever change. People will play whatever content they find interesting.

skoomaking916

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

i wouldnt say "we". maybe you and some dont. most do want more levels.

Romo

Well, bummer...

Hope they fix the Gold and silver so we can get to VR16 in there...

Or many more folks will bail.. just like V1 caused many more to leave..., and was the reason for VR initially being set to be removed.

Sigh, some folks refuse to learn from experience.

SC0TY999

skoomaking916 wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

i wouldnt say "we". maybe you and some dont. most do want more levels.

According to the poll most of the community who have currently voted do not!

pema

we can argue about this. But it's coming to the game. And for people who didn't see this coming please rewind and listen to why they do this. It's not a flick of a swich to get vet ranks gone. We'll see if they ever manage it.
Now for the sets only dropping in imp city, not so sure, they can update the undaunted chests as well, as the drops from trails etc. There will be changes to items as well, as told but not discussed yet.

I say guys, sit down enjoy the ride and let's see how this turns out.

Forztr

pema wrote: »

we can argue about this. But it's coming to the game. And for people who didn't see this coming please rewind and listen to why they do this. It's not a flick of a swich to get vet ranks gone. We'll see if they ever manage it.
Now for the sets only dropping in imp city, not so sure, they can update the undaunted chests as well, as the drops from trails etc. There will be changes to items as well, as told but not discussed yet.

I say guys, sit down enjoy the ride and let's see how this turns out.

It might not be a flick of a switch but they have had a year to sort it since they first said they were removing them.

biovitalb16_ESO

4 months till Fallout 4 anyways...this game will be a ghost town.

SC0TY999

biovitalb16_ESO wrote: »

4 months till Fallout 4 anyways...this game will be a ghost town.

Roll on Fallout 4

Sharee

c0rp wrote: »

If a year without new content wasnt long enough to remove VR then these "devs" never will.

The plan for removal of veteran ranks was announced 6 months ago, not a year ago.
And the majority of dev time since then has been spent on the console release.

Basically, so far they only had a month or so to work towards something else, be it VR removal or (more likely) Imperial city, Wrothgar, spellcrafting...

Faulgor

Just ran through a few pubilc dungeon to check the current exp rate there.

A 100% increase won't get public dungeon exp even close to overworld exp. This increase is absolutely pointless.
If you are going to grind, you are going to do it where you get the best exp/time. If public dungeons are even a little behind the convential spots, nobody will go there. This change will contribute absolutely nothing to increase the leveling speed through veteran ranks.

Zershar_Vemod

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

wraith808 wrote: »

Arato wrote: »

delushin wrote: »

+1 - To increasing level cap and releasing new gear to work towards.

+1 - To new content to explore and +1 to have green gear drop in that new content that is better then purple and gold! AKA as progression to even more better purple and gold gear.

+1 - To having crazy raid and trial gear stuck behind bosses that need skill and coordinated groups to kill them.

+1 - To fixing servers to allow 24 man raids, having said that though they will be very interesting with the current combat system hahaha anyways bring them on!

There is no new content to explore, they're just raising the cap.

Jessica already said they're releasing this with Imperial City.

Correct. Like Jess said yesterday, the VR increase will come with Imperial City, which we'll begin discussing in detail on July 13th.

I have a few honest questions @ZOS_GinaBruno ,

Weren't Veteran Ranks supposed to be phased out over time? Wasn't that the whole reason Champion Points were added to the game?

I truly do not see a need / point to increase VRs at this time (or at all honestly). Adding new gear, yeah, that's normal for an MMO after X months, but a VR increase (even with the xp boosts getting added to leveling process) just seems to be a hindering force to the game's progression itself.

GorraShatan

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

QQ more. Gear progression was becoming stagnant. Time to add another tier.

sadownik

skoomaking916 wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

i wouldnt say "we". maybe you and some dont. most do want more levels.

GorraShatan wrote: »

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO wrote: »

We do not want this...people want it gone - not increased. What are your thoughts on this?

QQ more. Gear progression was becoming stagnant. Time to add another tier.

And here i was seeing so often on this very forums "thats not WoW, ESO is different kind of MMO, if you dont like it bye bye".

So please remind me where is the diference?

Sharee

Faulgor wrote: »

Just ran through a few pubilc dungeon to check the current exp rate there.

A 100% increase won't get public dungeon exp even close to overworld exp. This increase is absolutely pointless.
If you are going to grind, you are going to do it where you get the best exp/time. If public dungeons are even a little behind the convential spots, nobody will go there. This change will contribute absolutely nothing to increase the leveling speed through veteran ranks.

The change will only affect the big public dungeons (like obsidian scar in rivenspire), and from my experience those are packed with fast-respawning mobs in groups of 5-8. Double exp from that should be very good. The only issue i see is those dungeons being camped to hell and back.

Faulgor

Sharee wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Just ran through a few pubilc dungeon to check the current exp rate there.

A 100% increase won't get public dungeon exp even close to overworld exp. This increase is absolutely pointless.
If you are going to grind, you are going to do it where you get the best exp/time. If public dungeons are even a little behind the convential spots, nobody will go there. This change will contribute absolutely nothing to increase the leveling speed through veteran ranks.

The change will only affect the big public dungeons (like obsidian scar in rivenspire), and from my experience those are packed with fast-respawning mobs in groups of 5-8. Double exp from that should be very good. The only issue i see is those dungeons being camped to hell and back.

Even with double exp, a full mob from a public dungeon will only yield as much exp as a single overworld zombie. It's simply no competition.

biovitalb16_ESO

With this companies track record they may as well just bump it up to Vet 500. This game is really starting to remind me of when I was younger playing Korean grindfest MMOS

sadownik

Sharee wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Just ran through a few pubilc dungeon to check the current exp rate there.

A 100% increase won't get public dungeon exp even close to overworld exp. This increase is absolutely pointless.
If you are going to grind, you are going to do it where you get the best exp/time. If public dungeons are even a little behind the convential spots, nobody will go there. This change will contribute absolutely nothing to increase the leveling speed through veteran ranks.

The change will only affect the big public dungeons (like obsidian scar in rivenspire), and from my experience those are packed with fast-respawning mobs in groups of 5-8. Double exp from that should be very good. The only issue i see is those dungeons being camped to hell and back.

So are all good gridning spots and even with 100% buff, p. dungeon mobs still give less (substantialy) xp.

Look i honestly think this all discussions leads to nowhere. Vr 16 are comming with IC either we like it or not. Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not. Buffs to xp have no substantial meaning ei.. well you know already.

If we want to waste some time we can have discussion about potential new mount: Shock mare mount for limited time only. If you are curious Its exact origin is unknown, but the Mages Guild believes it may originally have come from Zekubar, the plane of origin of AC/DC.

Cheers on friday.

umagon

Schattenherz wrote: »

The VR increase will come with Imperial City
The new VR16 sets will only drop in Imperial City
The new VR16 materials will only drop in Imperial City

are you sure you don´t want to buy Imperial City ?

This is exactly what they are doing, basically a guised pay to win scheme. I bet their executives thought the players are too stupid to realize this.

Lord_Draevan

sadownik wrote: »

Look i honestly think this all discussions leads to nowhere. Vr 16 are comming with IC either we like it or not. Getting to top lvl will take more or less the same amount of time either we like it or not.

That's the funny thing: 14 million XP is currently 14 Vet Ranks. Under update 7, it'll be 16.4 Vet Ranks. (14 million / 850,000 = 16.470)
Update 7 will actually get you to max level faster than currently