So now that Detect Pots will no longer work against Cloak in 1.7

Poxheart

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

DDuke

Poxheart wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

It works, but it can become incredibly useless & frustrating in certain situations. I usually don't mind this when there's something I could've done to avoid it (e.g. better positioning to not get hit by AoEs), but having even one guy who happened to drink a potion 30 seconds ago in that enemy zerg, capable of ruining your day (without a thing you can do about it)... that's just not fun gameplay, at all.

And lol at your argument "if they have a different opinion than I do, they must be bad players!".
Is that really the best you can come up with?

Tankqull

DDuke wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

It works, but it can become incredibly useless & frustrating in certain situations. I usually don't mind this when there's something I could've done to avoid it (e.g. better positioning to not get hit by AoEs), but having even one guy who happened to drink a potion 30 seconds ago in that enemy zerg, capable of ruining your day (without a thing you can do about it)... that's just not fun gameplay, at all.

And lol at your argument "if they have a different opinion than I do, they must be bad players!".
Is that really the best you can come up with?

its frustrating when you are overwhelmed where it doesent function properly - but then no other escape/defensive mechanic iis workiing properly.

DDuke

Tankqull wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

It works, but it can become incredibly useless & frustrating in certain situations. I usually don't mind this when there's something I could've done to avoid it (e.g. better positioning to not get hit by AoEs), but having even one guy who happened to drink a potion 30 seconds ago in that enemy zerg, capable of ruining your day (without a thing you can do about it)... that's just not fun gameplay, at all.

And lol at your argument "if they have a different opinion than I do, they must be bad players!".
Is that really the best you can come up with?

its frustrating when you are overwhelmed where it doesent function properly - but then no other escape/defensive mechanic iis workiing properly.

I'd say bolt escape is working pretty well. You can sometimes catch the sorc by using gap closers and blocking the BoL/Streak stun, but it's tricky and requires some skill atleast.

Imagine if there was a potion that teleported you right next to the blinking sorc right every time he blinked for 30 seconds, or just made that BoL/Streak do nothing. That'd be pretty much like stealth detection potion is vs cloak at the moment.

Most_Awesome

Ive never seen so much pathetic QQ in a forum before.


If you need a Detection Pot to beat a NB then its clearly a L2P issue

So a NB can chain Cloak now, just the same as a DK can Flap, and a Sorc can Bolt.......Just L2p people please!

Lava_Croft

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Ive never seen so much pathertic QQ in a forum before.


If you need a Detection Pot to beat a NB then its clearly a L2P issue

So a NB can chain Cloak now, just the same as a DK can Flap, and a Sorc can Bolt.......Just L2p people please!

'Chain cloaking' is nothing new. It's only after 1.6 and every scrub rerolling to a Stamina Nightblade that the whining about Cloak started.

Soris

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Ace_SiN

Most_Awesome wrote: »

Ive never seen so much pathertic QQ in a forum before.


If you need a Detection Pot to beat a NB then its clearly a L2P issue

So a NB can chain Cloak now, just the same as a DK can Flap, and a Sorc can Bolt.......Just L2p people please!

If you're not using Detect Pots when up against a NB, then you need to stop fighting scrubs. A detect pot is the only thing that stops me from chain cloaking and picking people off when the zerg train is on the move or not in their ball of death.

Poxheart

DDuke wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

It works, but it can become incredibly useless & frustrating in certain situations. I usually don't mind this when there's something I could've done to avoid it (e.g. better positioning to not get hit by AoEs), but having even one guy who happened to drink a potion 30 seconds ago in that enemy zerg, capable of ruining your day (without a thing you can do about it)... that's just not fun gameplay, at all.

The bolded sentence applies to pretty much every skill in this game. You keep using this one hypothetical situation to justify this proposed change and claim it's not fun game play but don't see how unfun the gameplay would be if the change goes through. The situation you describe is not as hopeless as you make it out to be (I've survived similar encounters and have seen enemy NBs escape similar encounters) which is why I disagree with you and why I feel its an issue of ability.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

Sharee

Poxheart wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

How, exactly, is this a problem? You speak of it making strong connotation towards thinking it's wrong for an escape or repositioning tool to be usable for those purposes, but don't specify why you feel that way.

I've never said that I think it's wrong for an escape/repositioning tool to be used for that purpose. (Not sure how you came to that conclusion, but whatever). What I maintain is that cloak works as an escape/repositioning skill now (even with detect pots) and the only people in favor of the proposed change are bad players.

It works, but it can become incredibly useless & frustrating in certain situations. I usually don't mind this when there's something I could've done to avoid it (e.g. better positioning to not get hit by AoEs), but having even one guy who happened to drink a potion 30 seconds ago in that enemy zerg, capable of ruining your day (without a thing you can do about it)... that's just not fun gameplay, at all.

The bolded sentence applies to pretty much every skill in this game.

Really? What situation makes bolt escape incredibly useless & frustrating? How about GDB? And hardened ward, i really cannot imagine it ever being useless. Or is there a potion that stops all those from working for 40 seconds out of every 45 seconds that i missed?

Soris

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

Soris

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

What exactly magicka sorcs got from new meta? They nerfed instead through Cyrodiil shield nerf. And you have to admit that stamina builds suits much better to a NB. My stamina templar was absolutely much better in 1.5 even with limited resources and no stamina morphs. So it's not "insert any class except sorcerers" issue
Every class has some serious nerfs to thier key skills while nighblades got buffed mostly. Though im ok with that, that's not my point. But when you still complain about other class' skills and such things, you just sound funny just saying. Not exactly YOU tho.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

What exactly magicka sorcs got from new meta? They nerfed instead through Cyrodiil shield nerf. And you have to admit that stamina builds suits much better to a NB. My stamina templar was absolutely much better in 1.5 even with limited resources and no stamina morphs. So it's not "insert any class except sorcerers" issue

You mean you have no clue about Magicka Sorcerers, have trouble getting your own Stamina Templar to work while others don't and then focus all your attention on Nightblades.

OK then. Could just have said that right away.

Soris

WTB duel

DDuke

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

What exactly magicka sorcs got from new meta? They nerfed instead through Cyrodiil shield nerf. And you have to admit that stamina builds suits much better to a NB. My stamina templar was absolutely much better in 1.5 even with limited resources and no stamina morphs. So it's not "insert any class except sorcerers" issue

Is this a serious post?

On multiple builds, sorc shields are vastly superior to what they were in 1.4 or 1.5, to the point where they take multiple DPS rotations to break and are able to tank executes (even vs stamina NBs that actually build for dmg with 4K weapon damage).

Can you imagine the state of Cyrodiil right now, if people hadn't reported of how bloody broken they were in PTS?
They'd be even 15% stronger right now...

As for stamina NBs being strong... yes, until you meet a decent permablocker who knows how to break free, at which point your best odds are fleeing towards the nearest keep & hoping your vigor outheals the whips/concealeds & gap closers until you reach it.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

WTB duel

^_^

FriedEggSandwich

From the perspective of a sorcerer I wouldn't be too worried by cloak being immune to detect pots, I suggested it to my NB guildie a few weeks ago. I can still curse them and streak through them to keep them from stealthing, and even boundless storm works within melee range. Ok so detect pots make the job quicker and easier but I often feel a bit guilty popping one and suddenly seeing a NB appear next to me and panic, knowing I just countered their whole build with one button for 45 seconds; it does't seem fair and it turns a challenge into practically a free kill. Let them have cloak, and let it be immune to pots I say. Maybe if this happened though magelight could do with a buff to it's radius. I can't speak for the other classes but surely any aoe like caltrops, blazing spear, steel tornado etc would work as well as curse and streak do for me. The only time I feel vindicated using a detect pot against a cloaky NB is if they're picking off friendlies around me

ScruffyWhiskers

Ace_SiN wrote: »

If you're not using Detect Pots when up against a NB, then you need to stop fighting scrubs. A detect pot is the only thing that stops me from chain cloaking and picking people off when the zerg train is on the move or not in their ball of death.

Hehe. I always give Ace (especially when he is with his other "sinning" partner) a wide berth if I see him because I know he almost always has detect potions up or handy. I can double tap efficient purge a mark but the detect potion is really tough to work around.

OdinForge

Balance detect pots

Buff flare

L2P

Soulac

OdinForge wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Detection should only apply to 'hidden' enemies, not invisible ones, so this is a necessary fix.

Stamina NBs generally only have enough magicka to use cloak ~3 times in a row (assuming they have full magicka to start with). Many things still pop you out of cloak's invisibility anyways, it's usually on the second or third time I hit the ability that it actually sticks, if at all. This won't dramatically change things. Without any form of class-based instant self heal or damage shield, NBs need a reliable way to avoid damage.

cloak, fear, sap/funnel, veil, several CC abilities. All heal/avoid damage. You sound like a ganker complaining because he lost a fight once someone found him and engaged in melee.

And you sound condescending; I run with organized guild groups just as much as I solo with a 2h build. I'm well aware of NB damage mitigation options, but HoTs and heals based on kills don't do much in the insanely low TTK environment. NBs (especially us Argonian ones) used to have nice self-heals from potions, but that was done away with in 1.6. Fear is useful for a couple seconds before they break it (unless they're already cc immune), veil has a small radius and is stationary (ie easily avoidable), and using abilities (among other things) instantly takes you out of cloak. Cloak still isn't reliable/fixed to this day, and fixing detect pots is one way to help it work like it always should have.

I didn't mention any heal from kill abilities I don't think. Veil is for you, not the enemy so I don't know what you're trying to say there. I just want NB's to own up and say they want NB streak is all. Should be glad you actually have an ability coming close to that.

What I was trying to say with veil was, is if your enemy moves out of your veil, as a melee build you are then forced to follow your enemy, thus making your veil no longer useful. That veil has a small radius and is stationary makes it easier for enemies to avoid and thus become less useful for close-range and mobile fighting since you often have to move out of its protection to keep up with enemies. When I used to run bow more offensively I would sit in my veil if the enemy moved out of it, but then they would usually just keep running to get out of bow range and just get away. I don't think it's an insult or accurate to say that Cloak is NB streak, and really any balance issues with cloak will occur with Magicka-based NBs, so just a subset of the class and its numerous builds. Streak damages and CCs while teleporting you, and doesn't break if you want to cast something else between Streaks. Cloak, on the other hand, does nothing to enemies and completely removes you from fighting as casting any ability will bring you out of cloak. Not saying one is better, just that they operate differently.

Seriously, who even uses veil in PvP anymore. Veil is no corrosive armor, that's for sure.

I use it :P

Soris

DDuke wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

What exactly magicka sorcs got from new meta? They nerfed instead through Cyrodiil shield nerf. And you have to admit that stamina builds suits much better to a NB. My stamina templar was absolutely much better in 1.5 even with limited resources and no stamina morphs. So it's not "insert any class except sorcerers" issue

Is this a serious post?

On multiple builds, sorc shields are vastly superior to what they were in 1.4 or 1.5, to the point where they take multiple DPS rotations to break and are able to tank executes (even vs stamina NBs that actually build for dmg with 4K weapon damage).

Can you imagine the state of Cyrodiil right now, if people hadn't reported of how bloody broken they were in PTS?
They'd be even 15% stronger right now...

As for stamina NBs being strong... yes, until you meet a decent permablocker who knows how to break free, at which point your best odds are fleeing towards the nearest keep & hoping your vigor outheals the whips/concealeds & gap closers until you reach it.

Yeah I totally forgot how stupidly good a magicka stacked sorc can be. But even a one piece nirn armor keeps them at bay. Just like potions do the same thing to NBs. Now imagine if they nerf nirn without modifying dmg numbers. Say hello to 10k crystal fragments again right?
I 'd be fine for this potion change if they remove stealth damage bonus from cloak or grant me 1 additional slot for magelight. Because why not? It's the same logic.

DDuke wrote: »

They should make you shimmer slightly if you move while invisible (cloak) or sneaking, meaning you can be hit with AoE by enemies with good observation skills, so it isn't necessarily just guesswork.

or even this could help, in fact it may be much better. Some games have this mechanic already and it could really be that "sweet spot" for NBs in this game.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

WTB duel

^_^

No I meant it seriously. You know me, I'm always up for a duel. I'll be in game tonight.

Lava_Croft

Soris wrote: »

No I meant it seriously. You know me, I'm always up for a duel. I'll be in game tonight.

Dueling in ESO is a lottery and the grand prize is who dies first to whatever bug.

DeanTheCat

Soris wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

All of you NBs who rejoice this change were whining about perma block and shield stacking before lol. And heck, even flappy flaps and blazing shield and bolt escape.. So much whine were all over the forums. All those nerfed at the end except bolt.

BUT BUT ANY AOE BREAKS CLOAK.. So what? Fear breaks block too. Now perma block is history. Shields got nerfs as well. But hey more buffs to nightblades yay! And telling me l2p? I lol that.
God.. This NB whine lobby is real in this forum.

Yes, the lobby that whines about Nightblades is indeed real.

No it's different. You already got all the benefits from new meta, jumped on top of all 4 classes and still wanting more and more, totally forgetting balance and still whine about other classes.

You mean Stamina [insert any class except Sorcerers] and Magicka Sorcerers got all the benefits of the new meta.

What exactly magicka sorcs got from new meta? They nerfed instead through Cyrodiil shield nerf. And you have to admit that stamina builds suits much better to a NB. My stamina templar was absolutely much better in 1.5 even with limited resources and no stamina morphs. So it's not "insert any class except sorcerers" issue

Is this a serious post?

On multiple builds, sorc shields are vastly superior to what they were in 1.4 or 1.5, to the point where they take multiple DPS rotations to break and are able to tank executes (even vs stamina NBs that actually build for dmg with 4K weapon damage).

Can you imagine the state of Cyrodiil right now, if people hadn't reported of how bloody broken they were in PTS?
They'd be even 15% stronger right now...

As for stamina NBs being strong... yes, until you meet a decent permablocker who knows how to break free, at which point your best odds are fleeing towards the nearest keep & hoping your vigor outheals the whips/concealeds & gap closers until you reach it.

Yeah I totally forgot how stupidly good a magicka stacked sorc can be. But even a one piece nirn armor keeps them at bay. Just like potions do the same thing to NBs. Now imagine if they nerf nirn without modifying dmg numbers. Say hello to 10k crystal fragments again right?
I 'd be fine for this potion change if they remove stealth damage bonus from cloak or grant me 1 additional slot for magelight. Because why not? It's the same logic.

DDuke wrote: »

They should make you shimmer slightly if you move while invisible (cloak) or sneaking, meaning you can be hit with AoE by enemies with good observation skills, so it isn't necessarily just guesswork.

or even this could help, in fact it may be much better. Some games have this mechanic already and it could really be that "sweet spot" for NBs in this game.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

WTB duel

^_^

No I meant it seriously. You know me, I'm always up for a duel. I'll be in game tonight.

Errr... There is absolutely 0 stealth damage bonus from cloak. Invisibility != Sneak. I know they use the same icon and all on the sneak indicator, but NBs don't get bonus sneak multipliers while cloaked. The only two boni they get are from the class passive "Master Assassin" and the racial passive "Stealthy". I don't know where the heck this misinformation is spreading from, but it needs to stop.

Sureshawt

Well I had my Nightblade on standby for just such a predictably stupid decision. Time to get leveling....

Derra

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I have heard this thrown around a lot, but I haven't seen it dev confirmed. Can you (or someone) provide a source for this, just out of interest? If it is true, I really need to get levelling my NB!

Me either, yet. I may have missed it, but I'll speak as if it is true. Assuming it is, you can still use pbaoe's or gtaoe just as you do now to pop them (cloak also removes four damage over time effects per cast, not all of them, to clear up the confusion some people have saying it clears all dot's), and Radiant Magelight has a solid 15 meter or so radius (aka 30 meter wide circle) that it automatically reveals enemies in sneak or invisibility like cloak inside of. It additionally provides both you and nearby allies with a 56% damage reduction against attacks made from sneak, which is worth the price of admission on its own even since you still also get the spellcrit full-time and gain 2% max magicka towards your damage (though you lose 3% max off of your available resource pool from the debuff when using it).

I see no problem with this change and think it is long overdue that detect pots (many people including myself run them full-time even alongside radiant magelight or inner light in pvp caster builds for the magicka regen and spelldmg buff in the first place, and they don't suffer from the ability-cooldown bug that makes you unable to cast for a second after using them like the plain old spellcrit/dmg/magregen version does currently) don't nearly nullify the usefulness of one of the (what normally should be) key survival/repositioning skills on the Nightblade class.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Etharian wrote: »

LINK TO SOURCE OR ITS NOT TRUE.... dont post threads if you cant even post sources..

Follow this thread, I tagged two ZOS employees/Devs. They are usually pretty good about getting back to us on information if we ask, so you will most likely get your final answer about this on this thread from one of the Devs in green writing. Be patient

...........................................? What? So, wait... you don't actually know but are posting saying it is the case without having any evidence, and are hoping it turns out to be when a dev replies to the tempest you stirred up under false pretenses?

Also speaking as if everything posted about detect potions not countering cloak were true.

Cloak would then be the only ability that can only be countered directly (i don´t consider any aoe but steel tornado a direct counter bc either the range is pitiful and nightblades are one of the classes with a ranged root ability and most ranged aoes have a animation-hit-delay) by slotting an ability on both of your hotbars AND meleeing your opponent (even for ranged builds).
That sounds stupidly op of you think it through imho.

Any aoe in the game can counter it, or just blocking for a second until they hit you . And it's far from the only ability, the same is true of needing ground aoe's to damage blocking enemies for normal damage, or clouding swarm'ers. It's nowhere near the kind of scenario you describe... 12 meter wide swath is what you get with most pbaoe skills (6 meter radius, so 6 in every direction), which frankly is ample.

Judging by your comment i think you´re either pvping in an enviroment or on a skill level where you´ve never encountered any of my concerns.

I want to see run running after a competent nightblade trying to get them out of cloak spamming impulse. Even the thought is hilarious.

IWannaBeATiger

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

oh and Revealing Flare is worthless.. Please increase radius by 150%
im going to 100% agree with OP here... there needs to be a major buff to Radiant Magelight. like making it add 50m to the detection radius or so.. but i dont think that will help against NB cloak since detection radius doesnt effect that hide in the first place..

Would it even be possible to attack someone from outside that AoE

Mr_Nobody

2 classes arguing which is more OP, random small interceptions of poor Dragon Knights...


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Derra

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

From the perspective of a sorcerer I wouldn't be too worried by cloak being immune to detect pots, I suggested it to my NB guildie a few weeks ago. I can still curse them and streak through them to keep them from stealthing, and even boundless storm works within melee range. Ok so detect pots make the job quicker and easier but I often feel a bit guilty popping one and suddenly seeing a NB appear next to me and panic, knowing I just countered their whole build with one button for 45 seconds; it does't seem fair and it turns a challenge into practically a free kill. Let them have cloak, and let it be immune to pots I say. Maybe if this happened though magelight could do with a buff to it's radius. I can't speak for the other classes but surely any aoe like caltrops, blazing spear, steel tornado etc would work as well as curse and streak do for me. The only time I feel vindicated using a detect pot against a cloaky NB is if they're picking off friendlies around me

wait till 1.7 when you can´t streak after them bc of the permanently increasinc costs. you have to keep that in mind too...

I´m not too worried about the current situation but once streak is on a defacto CD for 4 seconds it´s going to be a pain chasing down a good nb as a sorc.