Console text chat discussion

Strontium-Dog · July 2015

Zanefold wrote: »

show previous quotes

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

Wowowow lol. It matters NOT what type of game it is but the platform. Communicating with others doesnt change depending on game type. SO yes comparing the fact that in Destiny we learned to use 4,yes FOUR, emotes to communicate means that in ESO it is easy as pie to communicate.

We have voice channels, masses of emotes, guild channels , ingame mail, etc. While it might seem like text chat is needed its more of a want than a need.

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

Text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. Id rather have a mute option than chat channels right now.

And ESO wont flop because we want text chat. There are far more worrying issues like cold harbour siege stuff and the terribly broken audio ( im talking console not pc) Id STILL rather have fixes before text chat.

Tell ya what, if you can tell us how to have a deaf or hard of hearing individual to communicate with others effectively without text chat then you MIGHT have a good point, also I don't care if text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. However it will be nice to have the text chat so I can choose to leave voice chat and can still communicate and the child can still eat his Doritos and have rap playing lol win win.

You wont find many if any deaf or hard of hearing console users full stop. ESO is on pc with full chat system and harsh as it is, consoles function with voice chat in just about every game and therfor i highly doubt deaf users would pick them as their gaming hardware.

TBH its like saying controllers are evil cause quadriplegics cant use em and you want mind control straps to come with yoru xbox.

Bleakraven · July 2015

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

What about people who just started out and have no friends? Seriously, it's fun when I'm co-opping with my boyfriend and that's because we are next to each other, but it sucks when we play with more people or when I'm in Cyrodiil by myself. It's difficult to find people to group with, it's difficult to understand people due to *** accents or *** microphones.
We need more ways to communicate. It's a pain in Cyrodiil especially, you're off scouting and spot the enemy, and then what? Teleport to each Fort screaming: enemy horde incoming on fort x? Bah.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

KiraTsukasa · July 2015

Zanefold wrote: »

show previous quotes

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

show previous quotes

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

Well said!
THIS is one part of the issue.

Well commented...another is managing a controller keyboard interaction where two hands are required on one or the other to be most effective...I guess you can half-a$$ it but who wants that experience when it works best on PC.

Also, no one is or has addressed how to scroll, right click, link, etc without a mouse.
I mean, sure they could change the controller key bindings but then you're giving up functionality and you now how to stop to communicate which is the larger issue.

Neverwinter is a good example of this kinda working but the sacrifices made for it to kinda work are overwhelming reasons not to go down that path. May as well be a keyboard and mouse game....which then, it may as well be a PC game.

When you get to a point where you need another controller or device plugged in such as a mouse or keyboard you've crossed over into a "Why the heck is this on console" situation.

Laranoye · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

show previous quotes

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

I have 4 kids... I would much rather them playing something with text than having a headset planted on their face and talking to whomever saying what ever they like...

Quite frankly being told to go %^$£ yourself among other things, has a larger impact on you when spoken with voice than on a text chat..

I think your going into the splitting of people far too much... most people already refuse to use the voice chat so that's irrelevant.
Adding text chat is not going to create this paradox your making out....

Laranoye · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

show previous quotes

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

It makes perfect sense.. Some people do not have or wish to have super duper PC's. Or they would like to play the game on couch etc.
Utilizing a mini keyboard is fine..

Bleakraven · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Also, no one is or has addressed how to scroll, right click, link, etc without a mouse.
I mean, sure they could change the controller key bindings but then you're giving up functionality and you now how to stop to communicate which is the larger issue.

We're not here to design the system for them, we're here expressing why we feel it is necessary. I don't care how I have to type to communicate in ESO, but I'd rather have that than only voice chat right now. Don't forget we are asking for an addition, an optional thing. We are not asking for voice chat to go away, it has its uses, but I don't feel it is appropriate for an MMO of this scale.

Zanefold · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

show previous quotes

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

I think its safe to say that most people wouldn't mind using something like this.

http://www.amazon.com/Megadream®-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Playstation-4/dp/B00NL4EC1U

Kleptobrainiac · July 2015

Isn't there already a text based form of communication in game called the mail system? Also, don't both consoles have a text communication system built in?

Aren't there guild recruitment & faction forums on this site?

It seems like this is more of a player convenience problem than anything else.¯ \_(ツ)_/¯

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

Laranoye wrote: »

show previous quotes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

I have 4 kids... I would much rather them playing something with text than having a headset planted on their face and talking to whomever saying what ever they like...

Quite frankly being told to go %^$£ yourself among other things, has a larger impact on you when spoken with voice than on a text chat..

I think your going into the splitting of people far too much... most people already refuse to use the voice chat so that's irrelevant.
Adding text chat is not going to create this paradox your making out....

So here is the question ...
If based on your comments...it's not going to create this paradox, most people already refuse to use voice chat and in some ways irrelevant...

Why is this even a topic for Zenimax to consider?

-Your parental decisions for your kids makes sense as we as parents should be self aware to protect our kids.
The thing is, you're confirming the point, voice communication is more influential. This confirms that depending on its use, it's more impactful. Why go to something that is so easily ignored, not valueable and more complex from a peripheral usage standpoint when this already exists in an ideal format on PC?

I'm not going into splitting people too much...this thread is really a great info source for people communication.
Would this conversation even have gone on for more than a day if we were all in a room talking or in-game chat with Zenimax only listening?

Those two questions !

The big differences of having to listen to someone before speaking and not going off into side conversations to try and be around ppl who only agree with you vs talking and listening to everyone.

Another reason why adding text chat isn't "needed" on console

AaronLannister · July 2015

The big differences of having to listen to someone before speaking and not going off into side conversations to try and be around ppl who only agree with you vs talking and listening to everyone.

Another reason why adding text chat isn't "needed" on console

LOL ignoring all the other things Text Chat brings.

Text Chat is clearly needed on consoles, they still have Messages on PSN for a reason.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

Bleakraven wrote: »

show previous quotes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Also, no one is or has addressed how to scroll, right click, link, etc without a mouse.
I mean, sure they could change the controller key bindings but then you're giving up functionality and you now how to stop to communicate which is the larger issue.

We're not here to design the system for them, we're here expressing why we feel it is necessary. I don't care how I have to type to communicate in ESO, but I'd rather have that than only voice chat right now. Don't forget we are asking for an addition, an optional thing. We are not asking for voice chat to go away, it has its uses, but I don't feel it is appropriate for an MMO of this scale.

Well if you want them to take your suggestions into consideration, with your idea or opinion, you should provide that detail.
It's not like they've said...well do it later, it impacted the release and needed more time.

It was more of (me paraphrasing) it didn't make sense for what we hoped to accomplish and anytime were we making a decision of what to do, we went with the simplest, most un-limiting impact approach as the controller and head set are required.

Laranoye · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

show previous quotes

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

I have 4 kids... I would much rather them playing something with text than having a headset planted on their face and talking to whomever saying what ever they like...

Quite frankly being told to go %^$£ yourself among other things, has a larger impact on you when spoken with voice than on a text chat..

I think your going into the splitting of people far too much... most people already refuse to use the voice chat so that's irrelevant.
Adding text chat is not going to create this paradox your making out....

So here is the question ...
If based on your comments...it's not going to create this paradox, most people already refuse to use voice chat and in some ways irrelevant...

Why is this even a topic for Zenimax to consider?

-Your parental decisions for your kids makes sense as we as parents should be self aware to protect our kids.
The thing is, you're confirming the point, voice communication is more influential. This confirms that depending on its use, it's more impactful. Why go to something that is so easily ignored, not valueable and more complex from a peripheral usage standpoint when this already exists in an ideal format on PC?

I'm not going into splitting people too much...this thread is really a great info source for people communication.
Would this conversation even have gone on for more than a day if we were all in a room talking or in-game chat with Zenimax only listening?

Those two questions !

The big differences of having to listen to someone before speaking and not going off into side conversations to try and be around ppl who only agree with you vs talking and listening to everyone.

Another reason why adding text chat isn't "needed" on console

Your twisting my words, Yes voice has more impact, but not always in a good way. And not in its current state. Voice also allows for even more cyber bullying.
But that aside, How is text chat less valuable than voice or how is it more complex? I'd imagine the voice is far more complex to setup up and mantain..

Why something for Zenimax to consider? Well aside from the fact there are a lot of people in game who arnt even communicating? Because of the voice setup? If they added text everyone could be social.

Thumbdunked · July 2015

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

show previous quotes

Zanefold wrote: »

Strontium-Dog wrote: »

Wowowow lol. It matters NOT what type of game it is but the platform. Communicating with others doesnt change depending on game type. SO yes comparing the fact that in Destiny we learned to use 4,yes FOUR, emotes to communicate means that in ESO it is easy as pie to communicate.

We have voice channels, masses of emotes, guild channels , ingame mail, etc. While it might seem like text chat is needed its more of a want than a need.

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

Text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. Id rather have a mute option than chat channels right now.

And ESO wont flop because we want text chat. There are far more worrying issues like cold harbour siege stuff and the terribly broken audio ( im talking console not pc) Id STILL rather have fixes before text chat.

Tell ya what, if you can tell us how to have a deaf or hard of hearing individual to communicate with others effectively without text chat then you MIGHT have a good point, also I don't care if text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. However it will be nice to have the text chat so I can choose to leave voice chat and can still communicate and the child can still eat his Doritos and have rap playing lol win win.

You wont find many if any deaf or hard of hearing console users full stop. ESO is on pc with full chat system and harsh as it is, consoles function with voice chat in just about every game and therfor i highly doubt deaf users would pick them as their gaming hardware.

TBH its like saying controllers are evil cause quadriplegics cant use em and you want mind control straps to come with yoru xbox.

I have a hearing impairment and i love playing on my ps4 and if you look back through the posts there are a few others as well. Even though other genres on consoles dont support text based chat console mmorpgs always have and i think that is what some people are failing to see.

Kleptobrainiac · July 2015

Zanefold wrote: »

show previous quotes

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

I think its safe to say that most people wouldn't mind using something like this.

http://www.amazon.com/Megadream®-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Playstation-4/dp/B00NL4EC1U

Actually the reviews look pretty rough. I don't think I would like it. Full disclosure : I had one for the PS3, wasn't really impressed.

AaronLannister · July 2015

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

show previous quotes

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

I think its safe to say that most people wouldn't mind using something like this.

http://www.amazon.com/Megadream®-Bluetooth-Wireless-Controller-Playstation-4/dp/B00NL4EC1U

Actually the reviews look pretty rough. I don't think I would like it. Full disclosure : I had one for the PS3, wasn't really impressed.

USB keyboard know one?

Nergie4242 · July 2015

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

Laranoye · July 2015

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Isn't there already a text based form of communication in game called the mail system? Also, don't both consoles have a text communication system built in?

Aren't there guild recruitment & faction forums on this site?

It seems like this is more of a player convenience problem than anything else.¯ \_(ツ)_/¯

Exactly a player convenience problem... If there has to be 3rd party approaches to doing things in game then clearly there is a problem.. Why can no one see this? lol

Bleakraven · July 2015

Laranoye wrote: »

show previous quotes

Kleptobrainiac wrote: »

Isn't there already a text based form of communication in game called the mail system? Also, don't both consoles have a text communication system built in?

Aren't there guild recruitment & faction forums on this site?

It seems like this is more of a player convenience problem than anything else.¯ \_(ツ)_/¯

Exactly a player convenience problem... If there has to be 3rd party approaches to doing things in game then clearly there is a problem.. Why can no one see this? lol

Exactly, @Laranoye - I don't want to be taken out of the game to look at a message screen or at my phone. On the PS4, we get a notification on the upper left corner that covers the NPC's face we are talking to (or group health bars), along with a loud, annoying sound. It just says message received from playername. Doesn't say what the message is, not even a preview. So I have to get out of the game, wait for PSN to load, and then see the message. That is for one player.
Now, I am in a group for my guild, and the notification spam is insane to the point I want to leave it, but feel forced to stay in case someone needs help or something. It's horrible.

PsychoKRATOS1 · July 2015

Press start - left trigger (L2) Chat screen. Simple concept. Probably hard to implement?

I play a game called warframe that has quite successfully implemented text chat into the game.

Should be monitored all the time.. or at least have a report function that sends print screens so people can get chat banned for... say gold buying for real €£$ or constant chat flooding etc and generally being racist/misogynistic/ generally insulting.

NewBlacksmurf · July 2015

Laranoye wrote: »

show previous quotes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

I have 4 kids... I would much rather them playing something with text than having a headset planted on their face and talking to whomever saying what ever they like...

Quite frankly being told to go %^$£ yourself among other things, has a larger impact on you when spoken with voice than on a text chat..

I think your going into the splitting of people far too much... most people already refuse to use the voice chat so that's irrelevant.
Adding text chat is not going to create this paradox your making out....

So here is the question ...
If based on your comments...it's not going to create this paradox, most people already refuse to use voice chat and in some ways irrelevant...

Why is this even a topic for Zenimax to consider?

-Your parental decisions for your kids makes sense as we as parents should be self aware to protect our kids.
The thing is, you're confirming the point, voice communication is more influential. This confirms that depending on its use, it's more impactful. Why go to something that is so easily ignored, not valueable and more complex from a peripheral usage standpoint when this already exists in an ideal format on PC?

I'm not going into splitting people too much...this thread is really a great info source for people communication.
Would this conversation even have gone on for more than a day if we were all in a room talking or in-game chat with Zenimax only listening?

Those two questions !

The big differences of having to listen to someone before speaking and not going off into side conversations to try and be around ppl who only agree with you vs talking and listening to everyone.

Another reason why adding text chat isn't "needed" on console

Your twisting my words, Yes voice has more impact, but not always in a good way. And not in its current state. Voice also allows for even more cyber bullying.
But that aside, How is text chat less valuable than voice or how is it more complex? I'd imagine the voice is far more complex to setup up and mantain..

Why something for Zenimax to consider? Well aside from the fact there are a lot of people in game who arnt even communicating? Because of the voice setup? If they added text everyone could be social.

Sorry if you feel that I'm twisting your words but your words are yours.
What I gathered from those words is what I commented above.

It's your perspective that one is more comfortable than the other in the console environment. I play more console games online than PC because I know on console, I can talk to people. For the games that I don't want to talk to people, I choose PC where in many cases there is at least a text form of cummunication.

As far as cyber bullying...one or the other provide an opportunity to cyber bully (which is not different than bullying or being rude...remove cyber out, it's being a jerk or immature behaviors towards another)

Now text abuse vs voice abuse.
-if via text, it's up for all to see over a very large zone or area
-if it's voice it's limited to 25 yards or guild and party/group chat.

The bullying or bad behavior has greater damage via text especially with screen shot and tweet, video recording and editing or reproduction capabilities. Voice can't be recorded in most cases without extra hardware and software on consoles.
Movie is more positive for this and most ideal.

In regards to how text chat is less valuable vs voice chat "on console"
-requires another peripheral to be effective
-time consuming to enter and read responses
-requires additional buttons of the controller reducing gameplay effectiveness
-pauses gameplay or takes a players hands off the control pad (unless typing with the controller which takes a lot longer)
-is impersonal
-allows other to quickly repeat text that another user may not want to see
-consoles are somewhat limited in a way to block text only communications only by user without blocking the same user all together
-requires portion of the screen which blocks or hides gameplay

As far as voice being harder to setup...well that may be but for consoles, it's a requirement for online games so either you do it or your game doesn't get approved.

Regarding people not being your definition of social and text chat somehow making everyone more social.
-some people do not want to talk or interact with others, they just want to play solo.
-text chat is yet another form of communication. If I'm on console and choose not to talk using my voice, the idea of needing to type instead and read while playing isn't a guaranteed motivation. Text chat can offer a mute or deaf gamer an opportunity to communicate but that's all it does, it offers a chance. Someone like me, if this were added will, if possible, always keep it closed so it doesn't offer them any chance to communicate with everyone.

We each will define when, where and how we want to communicate with other gamers.
Those choices begin with picking a platform.
Next is choosing a game
Lastly is by headset or mic, Kinect, ps eye or not at all.

You and some others in this topic has taken the position that a lot of others feel the way you do.
I think in the best participated poll, we saw the PC to console folks expressing interest in having the text chat added but even in that thread there was a lot of votes just cause they could vote.

Do you run into people while playing that you don't know that suggest they wish they could talk to you and others via text vs voice. I doubt it but do you?

In those cases is it regarding communication or is it just a desire to broadcast announcement like info over large areas?

I think as a PC gamer and a console gamer I have plenty of choice and opportunity.
I own both versions...I choose to play where the opportunity best fits my desires.

I'm happy as many others are as well regarding communication.
Find your happiness in a way that doesn't impact others regardless of if you see it as negative or neutral.

Nergie4242 · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

show previous quotes

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Laranoye wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Drake_Fury wrote: »

Incredible! 15 pages in a single weekend!

OK, @NewBlacksmurf , Please tell me your definition of a guild.

To me, from past mmo eperience, a guild is everything that is important in an mmo.

In this mmo, you can have up to 5 guilds, mines are like this:

1: Main guild, rather small french guild, 80 people or so.
2: French guild, social guild regrouping all the french players we can get. About 415 people.
3: Trade guild
4: Another trade guild. (yeah, I need to have 2 because with that cluncky selling system that only rewards the richest guilds, none of my guilds can afford to have a trader every week.
5: Open, probbly for an endgame guild eventually or a better trade guild.

So basically, I spend all my time in guild #1. I do all my group play with people from guild #1 because if I don't, I have to leave the channel. If I leave the channel, I may miss events or important announcements. That may annoy other people in the guild, because not everyone wants to hear what's going on in your dungeon, but hey, the game doesn't leave me any choice, we can only be in 1 channel at a time.

In my main guild, the one for which I craft gear for free, help others, get help for myself, chat with friends and create bonds, there is generally 20-25 people online most of the time, but for some reason, there is always only 5-6 max on the guild channel. How is this supposed to be OK? How can not being able to communicate with more than 20% of the current connected guildmates a good thing?

Give me just a way to solve this with the current voice chat system, just one.

You (was it you? i'm not sure) made an analogy saying we wanted to go back to payphones while we have cellphones, but your analogy goes completely backwards:

Payphone: talk only

Cellphones: talk, text, use better tools to organise events (facebook and such)...

About ESRB: If something can be said via text, it can be said via microphone, and so it cannot change the ESRB (which, if i'm right, is aleready M-rated anyways.)

Hi Drake.

In regards to solving your concerns above.
No one can be in multiple conversations all at once and be effective.

While I gather your concerns, and those concerns are valid the text chat isn't the resolution for this platform.
You and many gamers are accustomed to the chat log method of communication and in that form people tend to put out a lot of different information and content

The good about the chat log is IF you happen to be online, you can scroll back through various chat logs to you're liking and review tidbits of conversations and info. This method is ideal for a PC where the keyboard and mouse allow a very effective way to manage and interact without interrupting gameplay in many cases.

As to how to manage this on console...

I'd start first with a different approach. First aid start with organizing yourself with your guilds. You've done this part
Second, realize you can't be everything for everyone. You also can't be in multiple places all at once. This is good because it allows other members to also take part in guild related activities and conversations.

The guild leaders should have placed notes on each guild members name who may provide certain duties or opportunities and make sure it's viewable by other guild members. This allows people to contact you via in-game mail or messaging and outside using the console communication methods whether it be voice msgs, text msg, party invite, game invites, etc.

Regarding any guild announcements or info...the guild leadership should update msgs of the day in a way that best fits the needs of the guild members whether it be casuals or not.

Hope this helps.

Also, yes I was the one who made reference to text chat being antiquated.
In response to your pay phone comments.

-The consoles by default offer what your cellphone comment mentions. Adding text chat onto of that becomes a "which one do I use" situation and "who looks where" or "how often and when" You seem to have a grasp of what's available currently, adding more to based on a few comments in this thread outline people's desire not to utilize some things that exist is not a way to address those concerns. Allowing gamers chances to self discover is one way to address those concerns.

A lot of people just don't know how to be effective outside of their traditional behaviors. So just as you provided the cell phone example vs pay phone the request for text chat to be added can be by comparison the older person reluctant to change who still prefers a pay phone and lad line phone and even face to face communication vs stepping into the future to utilize a cell phone.

Regarding ESRB ratings...
The criteria by which ratings are assigned consist of:
-the most extreme content of the "final" product...violence, language, sexuality, gambling, drugs, alcohol, references or use.
-the "final" product as a whole - demonstrating the games context (setting, storyline, objectives) relative frequency of extreme content.
-this takes into consideration certain unique elements such as the viewers perspective, reward system and degree of player control.

Specific to the actual rating, while the ESRB rating isn't changed by online interactions, the ESRB drives notices that must be displayed to warn consumers about possible exposures to chat.

So while I'm mistaken in commenting the rating could change, the point is that these changes can cause parents to choose that a child may no longer play. Or as we've seen in games online, some video goes viral and causes a media overreaction which can put the developer out in the media is ways they may prefer not to be.

Hope this responds to all your comments.

I have 4 kids... I would much rather them playing something with text than having a headset planted on their face and talking to whomever saying what ever they like...

Quite frankly being told to go %^$£ yourself among other things, has a larger impact on you when spoken with voice than on a text chat..

I think your going into the splitting of people far too much... most people already refuse to use the voice chat so that's irrelevant.
Adding text chat is not going to create this paradox your making out....

So here is the question ...
If based on your comments...it's not going to create this paradox, most people already refuse to use voice chat and in some ways irrelevant...

Why is this even a topic for Zenimax to consider?

-Your parental decisions for your kids makes sense as we as parents should be self aware to protect our kids.
The thing is, you're confirming the point, voice communication is more influential. This confirms that depending on its use, it's more impactful. Why go to something that is so easily ignored, not valueable and more complex from a peripheral usage standpoint when this already exists in an ideal format on PC?

I'm not going into splitting people too much...this thread is really a great info source for people communication.
Would this conversation even have gone on for more than a day if we were all in a room talking or in-game chat with Zenimax only listening?

Those two questions !

The big differences of having to listen to someone before speaking and not going off into side conversations to try and be around ppl who only agree with you vs talking and listening to everyone.

Another reason why adding text chat isn't "needed" on console

Your twisting my words, Yes voice has more impact, but not always in a good way. And not in its current state. Voice also allows for even more cyber bullying.
But that aside, How is text chat less valuable than voice or how is it more complex? I'd imagine the voice is far more complex to setup up and mantain..

Why something for Zenimax to consider? Well aside from the fact there are a lot of people in game who arnt even communicating? Because of the voice setup? If they added text everyone could be social.

Sorry if you feel that I'm twisting your words but your words are yours.
What I gathered from those words is what I commented above.

It's your perspective that one is more comfortable than the other in the console environment. I play more console games online than PC because I know on console, I can talk to people. For the games that I don't want to talk to people, I choose PC where in many cases there is at least a text form of cummunication.

As far as cyber bullying...one or the other provide an opportunity to cyber bully (which is not different than bullying or being rude...remove cyber out, it's being a jerk or immature behaviors towards another)

Now text abuse vs voice abuse.
-if via text, it's up for all to see over a very large zone or area
-if it's voice it's limited to 25 yards or guild and party/group chat.

The bullying or bad behavior has greater damage via text especially with screen shot and tweet, video recording and editing or reproduction capabilities. Voice can't be recorded in most cases without extra hardware and software on consoles.
Movie is more positive for this and most ideal.

In regards to how text chat is less valuable vs voice chat "on console"
-requires another peripheral to be effective
-time consuming to enter and read responses
-requires additional buttons of the controller reducing gameplay effectiveness
-pauses gameplay or takes a players hands off the control pad (unless typing with the controller which takes a lot longer)
-is impersonal
-allows other to quickly repeat text that another user may not want to see
-consoles are somewhat limited in a way to block text only communications only by user without blocking the same user all together
-requires portion of the screen which blocks or hides gameplay

As far as voice being harder to setup...well that may be but for consoles, it's a requirement for online games so either you do it or your game doesn't get approved.

Regarding people not being your definition of social and text chat somehow making everyone more social.
-some people do not want to talk or interact with others, they just want to play solo.
-text chat is yet another form of communication. If I'm on console and choose not to talk using my voice, the idea of needing to type instead and read while playing isn't a guaranteed motivation. Text chat can offer a mute or deaf gamer an opportunity to communicate but that's all it does, it offers a chance. Someone like me, if this were added will, if possible, always keep it closed so it doesn't offer them any chance to communicate with everyone.

We each will define when, where and how we want to communicate with other gamers.
Those choices begin with picking a platform.
Next is choosing a game
Lastly is by headset or mic, Kinect, ps eye or not at all.

You and some others in this topic has taken the position that a lot of others feel the way you do.
I think in the best participated poll, we saw the PC to console folks expressing interest in having the text chat added but even in that thread there was a lot of votes just cause they could vote.

Do you run into people while playing that you don't know that suggest they wish they could talk to you and others via text vs voice. I doubt it but do you?

In those cases is it regarding communication or is it just a desire to broadcast announcement like info over large areas?

I think as a PC gamer and a console gamer I have plenty of choice and opportunity.
I own both versions...I choose to play where the opportunity best fits my desires.

I'm happy as many others are as well regarding communication.
Find your happiness in a way that doesn't impact others regardless of if you see it as negative or neutral.

Wow its not so often I see a wall of text so big and think to myself

"literally everything written there is absolute bs"

well done, well done indeed.

Duragon_Darko · July 2015

91 pages @ZOS. At what point do we get an acknowledgment? You guys are horrible.

PsychoKRATOS1 · July 2015

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

91 pages @ZOS. At what point do we get an acknowledgment? You guys are horrible.

Page 2 to say threads have been consolidated.

Duragon_Darko · July 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

show previous quotes

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

Well said!
THIS is one part of the issue.

Well commented...another is managing a controller keyboard interaction where two hands are required on one or the other to be most effective...I guess you can half-a$$ it but who wants that experience when it works best on PC.

Also, no one is or has addressed how to scroll, right click, link, etc without a mouse.
I mean, sure they could change the controller key bindings but then you're giving up functionality and you now how to stop to communicate which is the larger issue.

Neverwinter is a good example of this kinda working but the sacrifices made for it to kinda work are overwhelming reasons not to go down that path. May as well be a keyboard and mouse game....which then, it may as well be a PC game.

When you get to a point where you need another controller or device plugged in such as a mouse or keyboard you've crossed over into a "Why the heck is this on console" situation.

Too funny. Well said how? How about the people that only have consoles and not a PC?

And this is not a new concept, gentlemen. People have been using controller and keyboard for DCUO and FFXIV for years now. You scroll with the controller, type when you need to. You guys are making a huge deal out if nothing.

So of I'm on PC and prefer a controller vs a keyboard/mouse, I should just play the console? Because according to you, if I'm on a console and need a keyboard for communication, I should just be playing a PC?!?! Some of you make no sense or don't think before you type.

Duragon_Darko · July 2015

The more and more I read this, the more and more it's obvious that most PC posting just wants to limit us because we're console and that's that. It's prejudice. Leave us in peace. We need text chat in an MMO. Period. Wtf is so hard to comprehend. If you're on PC, and have nothing positive constructive to say other than "you're on console, that's what you get" then I think myself and a lot of other console players will respectfully ask you leave us alone, stay off this thread. You guys are tired. Some of you PC guys reply to us like we're beneath you, like we're slaves.

Wtf. It's an MMO and we can't text. How dumb is that?

It's unfair and unbalanced to have an MMO with only one, very limited form of communication. All we want are options. That's our right. Some of you PC guys act like we don't deserve it simply for that fact that we don't own a computer. Seriously. It's prejudice, on the verge of "racial", with the "PC Master Race" on one side and every console on the other side. We just want it to be fair. We want to text. You guys know it's not right. Stop talking down to us.

@ZOS, this and ONLY this is the divide in your community. And I say community because in EVERY OTHER MMO they call it a community. Without communication, this is not an MMO for console.

Zanefold · July 2015

Amiculi wrote: »

show previous quotes

ZOS_UlyssesW wrote: »

Hello folks.
We've removed several comments from this thread that were violating our Code of Conduct or otherwise were not in line with our Community Vision. We ask that everyone stay on topic, and refrain from posting personal attacks, baiting or mocking other players concerns. We appreciate feedback from all of our players, and we ask that others do not dissuade community members from sharing their feedback. Thank you for your understanding.

I would ask that you get someone involved with development to make a statement so we can finally be done with this.

For the love of god please! Why do you hate us so!!!!

Zanefold · July 2015

Adam_Chattaway wrote: »

Why has this not been added yet? i mean the outcry for this is huge, if this (the most requested feature) is not added to console ESO it shows the devs DO NOT care about making a great game for the player they're just cash milking the crown store on console players, and i mean that with 100% seriousness .

Me playing FFXIV on PS4 with a chat box...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRxRGsvMXAA

Ps this is what we need!

Defilted · July 2015

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

You sir need to download Xbox glass. You can type from your phone into any type-able box on the Xbox and it is instant. Never type on the XBOX keyboard again.