Console text chat discussion

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Zanefold wrote: »

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KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

Keyboard not needed. XBOX glass already allows for this and it is like texting. It is fantastic.

Laranoye

As far as cyber bullying...one or the other provide an opportunity to cyber bully (which is not different than bullying or being rude...remove cyber out, it's being a jerk or immature behaviors towards another)

Now text abuse vs voice abuse.
-if via text, it's up for all to see over a very large zone or area
-if it's voice it's limited to 25 yards or guild and party/group chat.

The bullying or bad behavior has greater damage via text especially with screen shot and tweet, video recording and editing or reproduction capabilities. Voice can't be recorded in most cases without extra hardware and software on consoles.
Movie is more positive for this and most ideal.

My actual point was, Yes you would get it in both, but by far voice would be more damaging on the person...

In regards to how text chat is less valuable vs voice chat "on console"
-requires another peripheral to be effective
-time consuming to enter and read responses
-requires additional buttons of the controller reducing gameplay effectiveness
-pauses gameplay or takes a players hands off the control pad (unless typing with the controller which takes a lot longer)
-is impersonal
-allows other to quickly repeat text that another user may not want to see
-consoles are somewhat limited in a way to block text only communications only by user without blocking the same user all together
-requires portion of the screen which blocks or hides gameplay

And voice is none of that no? Even when you have to leave the game to look at invites and messages from people?
Youve literally just said the issues with voice too....

As far as voice being harder to setup...well that may be but for consoles, it's a requirement for online games so either you do it or your game doesn't get approved.

Yes other online games that arnt your average MMORPG...

Regarding people not being your definition of social and text chat somehow making everyone more social.
-some people do not want to talk or interact with others, they just want to play solo.
-text chat is yet another form of communication. If I'm on console and choose not to talk using my voice, the idea of needing to type instead and read while playing isn't a guaranteed motivation. Text chat can offer a mute or deaf gamer an opportunity to communicate but that's all it does, it offers a chance. Someone like me, if this were added will, if possible, always keep it closed so it doesn't offer them any chance to communicate with everyone.

No, a lot of people would like to chat but not via voice.. Offers a chance?! I bet more people than you think will use it.

We each will define when, where and how we want to communicate with other gamers.
Those choices begin with picking a platform.
Next is choosing a game
Lastly is by headset or mic, Kinect, ps eye or not at all.

Yes, Most of us bought on console as well because we assumed it would be the same experience... I'm not going to watch every dev vid or read every update article about whats in and not.
Text is a fundamental part of any MMORPG and we all just assumed wrong they would realize that too..

You and some others in this topic has taken the position that a lot of others feel the way you do.
I think in the best participated poll, we saw the PC to console folks expressing interest in having the text chat added but even in that thread there was a lot of votes just cause they could vote.

Bring on a poll on the actual console, I bet you will see it in a new light then..

Do you run into people while playing that you don't know that suggest they wish they could talk to you and others via text vs voice. I doubt it but do you?

Yes, yes i do.

In those cases is it regarding communication or is it just a desire to broadcast announcement like info over large areas?

I do not just want to start talking to random people with voice, Its like a personal/privacy thing.
Do you go around in the real world and randomly talk to someone full blown convo? no..
Dating sites : you wouldn't randomly phone someone and start talking to them straight away... no. you message 1st get to know until you feel comfortable..

I think as a PC gamer and a console gamer I have plenty of choice and opportunity.
I own both versions...I choose to play where the opportunity best fits my desires.

Again basically your telling us if we don't like it go back to PC.

I'm happy as many others are as well regarding communication.
Find your happiness in a way that doesn't impact others regardless of if you see it as negative or neutral.

Again how is this going to IMPACT you? Your precious voice has an impact on alot of the console community but you don't give a monkeys about them.
My happiness would me when they implement text chat

I would just like to add to what someone said before..

Compare this too a mobile phone...
Say you get phone, then the new model comes out with new features you want/need. But you can only use voice calls....
No texting... What would you do?
Because you know what, I guarantee everyone uses texts on a phone ALOT more than they would call... Just ask your girlfriend/Wife...

I know the phone has no relevance on the game but it is a similar prospect.

PsychoKRATOS1

I only have one argument against this:

I log into the game at about .. 11pm GMT on the NA Server and I overhear a big group of people all making a commotion... lag inducing. Half of them were naked, half were armoured, in davons watch.

The nudes were leant by a wall and the armoured people were doing some kind of emote and most of the talking came from 1 or 2 guys.
What were they doing?
A slave trade.

You want to give these people power to type globally to everyone.

Lol

mrskinskull

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Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.


Now, here we all are on page 87.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.


Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

Back in my day we called this getting beasted, I believe the popular term these days is get rekt ?

Wow. I am flattered that you spent all that time and bold font on me.

Thanks, bud.

Its obvious that you know I am correct and need to try to painstakingly deconstruct my each and every post.

I don't think I could get a stronger endorsement.

Most people scroll by stuff that doesn't make sense.

And yet you have composed a 500 word love letter to my changing stance.



I am an adult with the ability to allow my ideas to evolve with new input.

I think SOME people cling to dogma or one idea as the holy grail.

I on the other hand thought text chat was pointless, then played PvP and decided text would be useful there for large scale conflicts.

But I still don't want some awful text box on my screen.

Hence a second screen experience solution.

It helps to read all the posts, as I have stated as much.

Still, thanks for legitimizing my opinion as the non dogmatic, reasoned compromise that it has evolved into.

Cheers.


PS if you have no faith in a persons ability to change his mind given new information then why even post into a discussion?

Zanefold

Hey guys, if you get a moment try to make sure to post your question about a future text chat feature for console to this forum page. This page is for asking them questions for the next eso live. so the more it pops up hopefully the more likely they will talk about it!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

Nergie4242

PsychoKRATOS1 wrote: »

I only have one argument against this:

I log into the game at about .. 11pm GMT on the NA Server and I overhear a big group of people all making a commotion... lag inducing. Half of them were naked, half were armoured, in davons watch.

The nudes were leant by a wall and the armoured people were doing some kind of emote and most of the talking came from 1 or 2 guys.
What were they doing?
A slave trade.

You want to give these people power to type globally to everyone.

Lol

You know what the difference is? Text is recordable by logs. Making it possible to report. Making it possible to ban. And on consoles you can ban the user far more effectively than on pc as you can ban the psn or xbox equivalent.
In voice chat these things are all but impossible to catch, prove and take action against.

So yes give those idiots the chance to type. Then we would get rid of them sooner.

PsychoKRATOS1

Nergie4242 wrote: »

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PsychoKRATOS1 wrote: »

I only have one argument against this:

I log into the game at about .. 11pm GMT on the NA Server and I overhear a big group of people all making a commotion... lag inducing. Half of them were naked, half were armoured, in davons watch.

The nudes were leant by a wall and the armoured people were doing some kind of emote and most of the talking came from 1 or 2 guys.
What were they doing?
A slave trade.

You want to give these people power to type globally to everyone.

Lol

You know what the difference is? Text is recordable by logs. Making it possible to report. Making it possible to ban. And on consoles you can ban the user far more effectively than on pc as you can ban the psn or xbox equivalent.
In voice chat these things are all but impossible to catch, prove and take action against.

So yes give those idiots the chance to type. Then we would get rid of them sooner.

Good point. Just didn't want to hear it in the first place haha

mrskinskull

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mrskinskull wrote: »

DeanWinchester88 wrote: »

Do these anti text chat people not understand what "options" mean? If you don't want your screen cluttered with texts, disable the damn thing. Continue using voice chat and let the people who want text chat to enable it for themselves. Go listen to "Imagine" by John Lennon, relax, and play your game how you want. Equality for all, everybody deserves to be happy.

Selfish people these days.

I was going to say the same thing about you.

Text chat on console NEEDS to be in the form of an app. Not gawdy text box.

A fringe group feels the only way to have text chat is to interrupt and annoy the interface.

Most of the pro and con crowd agree on a text app.

Its the solution that will happen.

And yet again you don't get it. People who want text chat don't agree that it "interrupts" or "annoys" the interface. They wouldn't be asking for it in the first place. You shouldn't be worried if you're going to have it disabled anyways. Move along.

I play on PC and the text chat is not annoying in anyway. That's your issue. People are asking for this option, there's nothing harmful about it. You can continue playing the game as it is.

I think PC players are why this post is so long.

Im glad you are happy on PC . This thread is about Console text chat.

That's why a quick console poll would clear this. 'Debate' up quickly.
Many PC guys are commenting here with no stake in the outcome,
Console players are too busy playing the game to bother with this cyclical argument.

mrskinskull

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Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

NBS thinks he speaks for the console community even though many console players have told him otherwise.

He thinks he's some helpful know it all who's opinion matters more than you or I.

And apparently we hurt poor MrSkins feelings by calling out how he has contradicted himself repeatedly - he called the hall monitors to warn me not to hurt his poor wee little feelings anymore or I'd get a timeout.


Oh noes whatever would I do.

Amazing the amount of time they can spend hall monitoring the forums behind the scenes but not actually communicating on actual issues.

Unfortunately Sophism is not apart of the TOS. Otherwise these guys would have been banned awhile ago.

100% agree.

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

Thanks for saying so.

Again I don't think anyone here is against text chat.

Just awful hard to use on screen text chat.






A phone app with a few bells and whistles would not just work but would be awesome.









Text chat app will likely happen, don't let the dogmatic voices of the post bother you.







Its a discussion , IF and ONLY if we are allowed to have alternate ideas,

Junglejim82

mrskinskull wrote: »

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Junglejim82 wrote: »

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

This is my first post in this thread...from page 8.

Ace_of_Destiny wrote: »

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

This is "skins" first post in this thread...from page 19.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I haven't come across a single person within gameplay saying they hate voice chat. Ps4. 25 hrs played. The op is just wrong.
Oh god. Please zos don't make us have to play with the controller in one hand and A keyboard in the other. Pleasssssse. No text chat.

I know its ironic that I'm typing this. If zos forums had voice chat I wouldn't have to hen peck out that joke.

I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical part of that post.


Now, here we all are on page 87.

mrskinskull wrote: »

The us and them feeling is imposed because of our form of communication.

It feels like people are arguing with you or me but its just the lack of facial cues and vocal stresses.

I actually don't think there's anyone in this thread against text chat.

I think its implementation is the source of contention.

I would love to see an app fill the text need and include some useful functions. Maybe some from various addons.

I personally don't want to use a keyboard or a mini keyboard or have to toggle a text box off each and every time I log in a LA voice chat style.

Many people aren't considering that text chat would be added from their imagination into the game without any hiccuos because glitches and bugs never happen in even the most desired of features.

Nope you actually have no opposition here just a debate as to how it can happen.

Again, I took the liberty of enlarging the rather hypocritical parts of his post.

He's "not against text chat"...even though he is against text chat.

He begs not to have to use a controller in one hand and a texting device in the other...even though he is fine if that texting device just happens to be a cellphone.


Let's face it, this dude just keeps changing tactics so people won't call him...um...what are those things that live under bridges?
I can't remember for the life of me.

Back in my day we called this getting beasted, I believe the popular term these days is get rekt ?

Wow. I am flattered that you spent all that time and bold font on me.

Thanks, bud.

Its obvious that you know I am correct and need to try to painstakingly deconstruct my each and every post.

I don't think I could get a stronger endorsement.

Most people scroll by stuff that doesn't make sense.

And yet you have composed a 500 word love letter to my changing stance.



I am an adult with the ability to allow my ideas to evolve with new input.

I think SOME people cling to dogma or one idea as the holy grail.

I on the other hand thought text chat was pointless, then played PvP and decided text would be useful there for large scale conflicts.

But I still don't want some awful text box on my screen.

Hence a second screen experience solution.

It helps to read all the posts, as I have stated as much.

Still, thanks for legitimizing my opinion as the non dogmatic, reasoned compromise that it has evolved into.

Cheers.


PS if you have no faith in a persons ability to change his mind given new information then why even post into a discussion?

My post was one line I was quoting ace as apparently you have him on ignore .

mrskinskull

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Strontium-Dog wrote: »

Wowowow lol. It matters NOT what type of game it is but the platform. Communicating with others doesnt change depending on game type. SO yes comparing the fact that in Destiny we learned to use 4,yes FOUR, emotes to communicate means that in ESO it is easy as pie to communicate.

We have voice channels, masses of emotes, guild channels , ingame mail, etc. While it might seem like text chat is needed its more of a want than a need.

Id like it sure, enter cryodiil, in chat , lfg, etc and off we go. But im in guilds, have *friends* and rarely spend that long finding where the fight is.

Text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. Id rather have a mute option than chat channels right now.


And ESO wont flop because we want text chat. There are far more worrying issues like cold harbour siege stuff and the terribly broken audio ( im talking console not pc) Id STILL rather have fixes before text chat.

Tell ya what, if you can tell us how to have a deaf or hard of hearing individual to communicate with others effectively without text chat then you MIGHT have a good point, also I don't care if text chat wont stop the kids playing rap or idiots eating doritos with open mic. However it will be nice to have the text chat so I can choose to leave voice chat and can still communicate and the child can still eat his Doritos and have rap playing lol win win.

You wont find many if any deaf or hard of hearing console users full stop. ESO is on pc with full chat system and harsh as it is, consoles function with voice chat in just about every game and therfor i highly doubt deaf users would pick them as their gaming hardware.

TBH its like saying controllers are evil cause quadriplegics cant use em and you want mind control straps to come with yoru xbox.

Sound logic.


Customers choose a product based on how it fits their needs.

Korah_Eaglecry

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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

Zanefold wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

I've played more MMOs than I can remember, and have used nothing but text chat in all of them. With that said, I don't see how text chat would work on consoles. Entering text on Xbox is clunky as all hell, and I realize that that's the best they can do. It takes easily five times longer (possibly even more, I haven't actually timed myself) to enter a screen name or password on Xbox compared to PC. Text chat conversations need to be quick and easy, and that's just not very doable on a console. Also, because you can't easily resize and relocate UI elements like you could on a PC, you're running the risk of the chat box being either too big and obtrusive, or so small that you can't read the text, neither of which will make it useful.

Now, let me make it clear, I'm NOT against text chat. I just don't find the concept of it to be practical on a console.

It may not be practical for you, but there are many people out there such as myself that have keyboards to utilize, they even have special keyboards that plug right into the controller.

See, that doesn't make any sense to me. If I'm going to buy a keyboard, I may as well just play on PC because my PC already has a keyboard.

Well said!
THIS is one part of the issue.

Well commented...another is managing a controller keyboard interaction where two hands are required on one or the other to be most effective...I guess you can half-a$$ it but who wants that experience when it works best on PC.

Also, no one is or has addressed how to scroll, right click, link, etc without a mouse.
I mean, sure they could change the controller key bindings but then you're giving up functionality and you now how to stop to communicate which is the larger issue.

Neverwinter is a good example of this kinda working but the sacrifices made for it to kinda work are overwhelming reasons not to go down that path. May as well be a keyboard and mouse game....which then, it may as well be a PC game.

When you get to a point where you need another controller or device plugged in such as a mouse or keyboard you've crossed over into a "Why the heck is this on console" situation.

Too funny. Well said how? How about the people that only have consoles and not a PC?

And this is not a new concept, gentlemen. People have been using controller and keyboard for DCUO and FFXIV for years now. You scroll with the controller, type when you need to. You guys are making a huge deal out if nothing.

So of I'm on PC and prefer a controller vs a keyboard/mouse, I should just play the console? Because according to you, if I'm on a console and need a keyboard for communication, I should just be playing a PC?!?! Some of you make no sense or don't think before you type.

Or trolling. I mean, honestly why keep coming back into this thread and arguing with those asking for something? Their logic is flawed and completely ignores or down right dismiss the legitimate reasons pro-texters have brought up.

Pro-Texters state that bullying is an issue that is much harder to prove with VOIP and that Text would be recordable and provable. The Anti-Texter claims bullying happens on both formats and doesnt even bother with arguing the point about the lack of recordable VOIP that can pinpoint the bully.

This is sophism. And since theres nothing against the rules about trolling in this manner. They will continue to behave this way.

VoidBlue

text chat for consoles, its how things should be

Nergie4242

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

mrskinskull

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Amiculi wrote: »

ZOS_UlyssesW wrote: »

Hello folks.
We've removed several comments from this thread that were violating our Code of Conduct or otherwise were not in line with our Community Vision. We ask that everyone stay on topic, and refrain from posting personal attacks, baiting or mocking other players concerns. We appreciate feedback from all of our players, and we ask that others do not dissuade community members from sharing their feedback. Thank you for your understanding.

I would ask that you get someone involved with development to make a statement so we can finally be done with this.

For the love of god please! Why do you hate us so!!!!

I can't imagine why a great group of full grown adults haven't responded to such a reasonable request.

Use your logic.

Its likely they have noticed the dickens novel on page one and went OK maybe this is important.

Then thy read to page 80 or so and make a decision.

What decision would you make if you read a discussion full of post such as the one above?

Would you want these people to have a megaphone into your gaming community?

I know on defiance the text chat was toxic and hateful.

BigMac_Smiley

@mrskinskull
A App is not an option for the replacement of text on the screen. An app would take people view away from the game. Text works because you can view it in the corner of the screen without giving it your full attention. If it was on a different device you would have to look away from you screen to read what was going on. While having an app that could include zone chat and other cool features would be nice you will still need to include text on screen. Also having text chat in an app is opening the market for trolls who would not have to be in game, but just on there phone texting away. It is also more cost efficient to just have it in game then create a new app.

Korah_Eaglecry

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Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

If you notice, they ignore any sort of argument they cant twist or half argue half avoid.

BigMac_Smiley

Nergie4242 wrote: »

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Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

PsychoKRATOS1

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

@mrskinskull
A App is not an option for the replacement of text on the screen. An app would take people view away from the game. Text works because you can view it in the corner of the screen without giving it your full attention. If it was on a different device you would have to look away from you screen to read what was going on. While having an app that could include zone chat and other cool features would be nice you will still need to include text on screen. Also having text chat in an app is opening the market for trolls who would not have to be in game, but just on there phone texting away. It is also more cost efficient to just have it in game then create a new app.

With xbox at least. Idk about ps. Xbox smart glass... anything that requires the xbox oskb can utilise the smart glass app. It's nifty still looking away but requires no additional effort on zos' part

VoidBlue

Nergie4242 wrote: »

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Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

mmmm, it would improve everything!

mrskinskull

Please be sure to visit this discussion and ask about any future possibility of a companion app for ESO!


When will we get our companion app?


Be sure to list what kind of features it should include.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

mrskinskull

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BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

@mrskinskull
A App is not an option for the replacement of text on the screen. An app would take people view away from the game. Text works because you can view it in the corner of the screen without giving it your full attention. If it was on a different device you would have to look away from you screen to read what was going on. While having an app that could include zone chat and other cool features would be nice you will still need to include text on screen. Also having text chat in an app is opening the market for trolls who would not have to be in game, but just on there phone texting away. It is also more cost efficient to just have it in game then create a new app.

With xbox at least. Idk about ps. Xbox smart glass... anything that requires the xbox oskb can utilise the smart glass app. It's nifty still looking away but requires no additional effort on zos' part

Psn also has an app. Store purchased and in game text messages, via the PS os.

dday3six

mrskinskull wrote: »

Please be sure to visit this discussion and ask about any future possibility of a companion app for ESO!


When will we get our companion app?


Be sure to list what kind of features it should include.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

If you really want a companion app why petition for it here in a thread about in game text chat. It's a seperate issue, make your own thread about it.

KiraTsukasa

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Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

VoidBlue

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

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BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

1.) id suggest you dont buy $20 worth of food for that month and get you a kayboard

2.) why wouldnt you just leave it next to the console? it makes no sense to put it somewhere else in another room. there isnt a spot on the floor next to the TV?

3.) the chat box is not gonna be the entire screen, it will more than likely be transparent, and more than likely be minimizable via a button while in the chat box.

KiraTsukasa

VoidBlue wrote: »

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KiraTsukasa wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

1.) id suggest you dont buy $20 worth of food for that month and get you a kayboard

2.) why wouldnt you just leave it next to the console? it makes no sense to put it somewhere else in another room. there isnt a spot on the floor next to the TV?

3.) the chat box is not gonna be the entire screen, it will more than likely be transparent, and more than likely be minimizable via a button while in the chat box.

1- Yes. Let's forgo eating. Because I've survived this long by putting my gaming habits over my personal health and well being. I guess I won't have to worry about the issue when I'm DEAD.

2- Makes sense. Put it on the floor. Where it's likely to be stepped on. And broken. And require to buy another one. Because throwing money at a problem certainly makes it go away.

3- I'm just going to drop the sarcasm for this one and flat out tell you that I have a 15" screen. The text that's already there is small enough as it is. A text box will be too big and annoying, or too small and worthless. Adding text chat will force me to quit the game. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

PsychoKRATOS1

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

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VoidBlue wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

1.) id suggest you dont buy $20 worth of food for that month and get you a kayboard

2.) why wouldnt you just leave it next to the console? it makes no sense to put it somewhere else in another room. there isnt a spot on the floor next to the TV?

3.) the chat box is not gonna be the entire screen, it will more than likely be transparent, and more than likely be minimizable via a button while in the chat box.

1- Yes. Let's forgo eating. Because I've survived this long by putting my gaming habits over my personal health and well being. I guess I won't have to worry about the issue when I'm DEAD.

2- Makes sense. Put it on the floor. Where it's likely to be stepped on. And broken. And require to buy another one. Because throwing money at a problem certainly makes it go away.

3- I'm just going to drop the sarcasm for this one and flat out tell you that I have a 15" screen. The text that's already there is small enough as it is. A text box will be too big and annoying, or too small and worthless. Adding text chat will force me to quit the game. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

Isn't the last one.... only a few people? I mean... you can get a decent 30" hd TV or monitor for around £80 sometimes much less. 16 months saving up £5 if you can't throw away that kinda money straight away.

Zanefold

dday3six wrote: »

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mrskinskull wrote: »

Please be sure to visit this discussion and ask about any future possibility of a companion app for ESO!


When will we get our companion app?


Be sure to list what kind of features it should include.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p78

If you really want a companion app why petition for it here in a thread about in game text chat. It's a seperate issue, make your own thread about it.

That link is for asking a question to hope the eso live group will talk about it on the show. Funny how many people in that forum talk about the need for text chat and yet no response...

Zanefold

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

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BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

Keyboards are $20 and you could probably find them cheaper, not to mention they have multiple uses. In other words you can use it for the console and a computer...

VoidBlue

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

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VoidBlue wrote: »

KiraTsukasa wrote: »

BigMac_Smiley wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Nergie4242 wrote: »

But you dont have to be sat there with it on your lap the whole time. I bought a mini keyboard and it sits next to me. If im looking for a group I do this complex manoeuvre.

I look at my screen.
I see someone shouting for a [dps] for [whatever instance]
I pick up my keyboard.
I type DPS here for [whatever instance]
I receive an invite.
I put down keyboard.
I plug in my mic
I say hello.
We all play the game.

So I ask you non text people this

Please point to the bit of text above which causes you problems?

No really I wasnt just saying it for fun.

Please tell me what part of the above detracts in ANY WAY from anyone's experience.
Or would it maybe just improve it?

The non-text people will not answer this becaue it is to logical. They know that it would not create any problems so they just avoid response like this.

Alright, I'll bite.

1- I don't live with my parents. I have to pay my own rent, bills, food, etc. I don't have an excess of cash to throw at a console that I play literally three games on by buying additional accessories to make a single thing work in a single game.

2- Even if I could afford to buy a bunch of extraneous accessories that really won't get much use, I don't have any convenient place to put it. That means it's going some place out of the way that requires extra effort to get, take to where I'm sitting, then take back when I'm done. I'm not lazy by any means, but I'm not getting up and down and running all over the place for a video game.

3- Due to the previously mentioned issue, I don't have a giant screen television. That means that a chat box, in any form, detracts from my view of the game. As I've also said previously, this is less of an issue on PC due to the fact that it is much easier to manipulate UI elements on screen to adjust it to something that works for you. If implemented, the chat box will either be too small to read, thus rendering it useless, or too big and an annoyance, causing the likelihood of me quitting the game entirely.

I stand by my initial statement, text chat is not practical on a console.

1.) id suggest you dont buy $20 worth of food for that month and get you a kayboard

2.) why wouldnt you just leave it next to the console? it makes no sense to put it somewhere else in another room. there isnt a spot on the floor next to the TV?

3.) the chat box is not gonna be the entire screen, it will more than likely be transparent, and more than likely be minimizable via a button while in the chat box.

1- Yes. Let's forgo eating. Because I've survived this long by putting my gaming habits over my personal health and well being. I guess I won't have to worry about the issue when I'm DEAD.

2- Makes sense. Put it on the floor. Where it's likely to be stepped on. And broken. And require to buy another one. Because throwing money at a problem certainly makes it go away.

3- I'm just going to drop the sarcasm for this one and flat out tell you that I have a 15" screen. The text that's already there is small enough as it is. A text box will be too big and annoying, or too small and worthless. Adding text chat will force me to quit the game. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.

lmao!

1.) missing out on those potato chips or pop isnt gonna kill you for one month for you can buy that cheap keyboard

2.) again why would you put it where it could be stepped on? you live alone as you said put it on the side of the tv on the floor. you act like a keyboard is a giant piece of furniture that will be in the way.

3.) text chat isnt going to replace voice chat, you can still use voice chat, text chat is just an optional choice for those who need it and want it to make the game more enjoyable.