Console text chat discussion

pecheckler

So far playing a new character the worst thing about no chat is trying to get people to do world bosses. At least dolmens make a loud sound and people flock. Obviously trade will be even worse as players level.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

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defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any little poll demanding the PC version to add VC....maybe there is...idk, but if so, I'm sure it got/gets flamed by the texter chatter box peeps.

What about the ONLY (and I do mean ONLY) sensible option of having both Text Chat and Voice Chat as viable options on all platforms.

All The Best

No. The only thing to do is for the ppl who want to text, go play the pc version.

Regards.

Alphashado

I predicted this reaction weeks ago when it was announced that console would launch w/o text chat.

I would like to thump my chest and say "I told you so", but honestly it brings me no satisfaction. As a PC player, I want console to do well. I want every facet of the game to be a financial success in order to generate revenue for new content on both platforms.

This was depressing when it was announced, and the predictable reaction is depressing.

The most depressing thing about it is the fact that this reaction was so predictable. Some of the decisions over at ZOS really make me shake my head sometimes.

Launching an MMO w/o text chat is like selling a luxury car w/o power windows. Seriously ZOS.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

I to would like to continue seeing this company grow and prosper, and they will

Adding text chat to console games is like asking for fortune cookie without fortune inside.

ZOS_AlanG

Hi everyone, as there are several threads on this topic, we are consolidating the discussion of console text chat into this thread. Please remember that it’s fine to debate, disagree, or be critical – but it’s important to keep your posts civil and constructive, and to always abide by the forum rules.

Brassmonkey

I agree with adding text chat for several reason. For one voice chat tends to add more latency on the players side and being that's currently the only form of communication it makes the lag appear worse. Especially to those who have anything less than a cable connection. Not to mention the fact that voice chat isn't as easy to filter vs text chat. So you tend to get a lot of unwanted communication or people bogging down you connection with senseless garbage(ie. someone streaming music over their mic).

Text chat may not be as quick to output information but its effective uses should not be overlooked. I've seen a FTP MMO, purposely update the UI to make text chat more easily available due to the lack of socialization. They also had strict mic communication and it turned out that wasn't enough to allow players to effectively communicate. I think one of the underlining problems is that people don't like the lack anonymity that voice chat provides. Therefore their less likely to want to use it.

IMO voice chat is almost too effective to the point its more annoying than useful. Although it's defiantly more effective in group settings where you have to quickly change tactics where visual cues won't suffice. Having two forms of communication thought would defiantly balance out the pros and cons of both. So please do consider it Zenimax.

PBpsy

Alphashado wrote: »

I predicted this reaction weeks ago when it was announced that console would launch w/o text chat.

I would like to thump my chest and say "I told you so", but honestly it brings me no satisfaction. As a PC player, I want console to do well. I want every facet of the game to be a financial success in order to generate revenue for new content on both platforms.

This was depressing when it was announced, and the predictable reaction is depressing.

The most depressing thing about it is the fact that this reaction was so predictable. Some of the decisions over at ZOS really make me shake my head sometimes.

Launching an MMO w/o text chat is like selling a luxury car w/o power windows. Seriously ZOS.

I agree completely . Another thing that could be seen a mile away was how the console players will start asking for basic built in UI features.The same features that the PC players had access only from add-ons and had asked to be added in the game for a year.

floydmurphy.kg_ESO

I love how everyone is saying "go on the forums, go on this website, that website" .......not everyone wants to constantly be logged into their PC/laptop when they are playing a CONSOLE game just to find people to play with. That is inexcusable. Plus...not everyone is spoiled enough to have a computer at their convenience at all times.

Aaron_Spellcaster

I did not play the consol beta. However, I could not in my wildest dreams think that this game would be relesed without a text based communication including what was talked about: Area voip etc. So before I got the game downloaded on my ps4, i went and bougth a keyboard. Guess how I felt when I logged on and found out there were no text chat at all..

I mean, common.. Please let me turn off area voip in such a way it wont turn it self on when i log back on. I'm not interested in listening to the dog bark, or feedback from someones tv beeing to loud, or someone eating while playing. There was one guy, the baby was screaming constantly in the background, and People were yelling. This isnt exactly gamers comfort imo.

Aaron_Spellcaster

floydmurphy.kg_ESO wrote: »

I love how everyone is saying "go on the forums, go on this website, that website" .......not everyone wants to constantly be logged into their PC/laptop when they are playing a CONSOLE game just to find people to play with. That is inexcusable. Plus...not everyone is spoiled enough to have a computer at their convenience at all times.

+1

Germal

without text chat the game feels just incomplete to me, it has more negatives than positives.
hope they will adress it, for now its ok but the missing communication option is something that will my friends and me stop playing at some point.

coolie5oh

Developers are sort of overestimating the amount of people who use mics when gaming. Between preset chats(DBXenoverse and just having no chat whatsoever unless you're in a group or something(Destiny), it--to me--ruins the social aspect of gaming. Most people don't even like using mics for fear of being harassed or just feel indifferent about it all together.
That, and it's just easier to communicate(in a way) and organize things.

1. Open Chat box
2. Read
3. Someone's trying to organize a siege

Boom. Done.
Granted, there is spam but, that can be confined to the trade channel and such. Either way, it's easier than dealing with several people talking over eachother on their mics and half the time it's unclear what they're even saying because of the noise traffic or just overall static from quality.

Zusia211

There are ways still to communicate on your console with players. It would be nice to have a text chat cause it removes an annoyance.

nastuug

floydmurphy.kg_ESO wrote: »

I love how everyone is saying "go on the forums, go on this website, that website" .......not everyone wants to constantly be logged into their PC/laptop when they are playing a CONSOLE game just to find people to play with. That is inexcusable. Plus...not everyone is spoiled enough to have a computer at their convenience at all times.

This.

KingRebz

pecheckler wrote: »

Waiting at a world boss for 30 minutes for someone to show up and help on console.
On PC I can just ask in zone chat and several people show up in a minute.

Way to remove a needed feature!

this.

plus..I like to talk..

danno8

Other thread was locked so I'll put my comment here.

Text box works so well for identifying:

-who the person is
-what chat they are in
-understanding them the first time
-scrolling back to review conversations
-right click menu for adding them to whatever, ignoring, friending, grouping, etc...
-private conversations without having to switch channels (super cumbersome)
-being open to all conversations while only responding to the one you want

Voice chat will never be able to be as elegant as the chat box for all of these things.

Voice chat is way more effective at getting information across fast, especially in a group setting, and for casual fun/goofing around with friends.

Both text and voice are required/desired in an mmo setting, and trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole, or a round peg in a square hole will meet with the exact results we are seeing today.

nastuug

danno8 wrote: »

Other thread was locked so I'll put my comment here.

Text box works so well for identifying:

-who the person is
-what chat they are in
-understanding them the first time
-scrolling back to review conversations
-right click menu for adding them to whatever, ignoring, friending, grouping, etc...
-private conversations without having to switch channels (super cumbersome)
-being open to all conversations while only responding to the one you want

Voice chat will never be able to be as elegant as the chat box for all of these things.

Voice chat is way more effective at getting information across fast, especially in a group setting, and for casual fun/goofing around with friends.

Both text and voice are required/desired in an mmo setting, and trying to stuff a square peg in a round hole, or a round peg in a square hole will meet with the exact results we are seeing today.

I definitely agree with this. Great post.

floydmurphy.kg_ESO

ditto ^ nicely done.

Varicite

Strange that they would consolidate it into the shortest thread.

But I digress, an optional text chat box has been successfully implemented in console MMOs over a decade old; it seems far simpler to add the text chat box that already exists in code than to go through a laundry list of tweaks just to have a system that is still less elegant than just typing what you want to.

Sales, recruiting, grouping, and a number of other issues could be easily resolved by the addition of the text chat box and would circumvent the archaic and, quite frankly, entirely unacceptable need to visit third-party websites and forums just to utilize the systems in the game.

ZOS is already slated to add VC to the PC version of the game, allowing players to communicate both through text and voice for the situations where each is strongest.

Console players should also have this versatility and not be railroaded into a lesser Elder Scrolls experience simply because of the medium they choose to play the game on.

We ALL play ESO, and while there are some great things about ESO on consoles, there are also some deficits to the experience due to clumsy handling of certain staples of the game, such as guild recruitment, finding non-dungeon player groups (Cyrodiil, world bosses, tough quests, etc that the group finder is inadequate for), selling of wares outside of guild kiosks, etc.

Those who wish to continue to use only VC can continue to do so and use the same methods that they are preaching to others currently as workarounds for these clunky systems, and those who wish to remain in-game and not play a console game while tied to a laptop, PC, or tablet in order to fully utilize the in-game systems can use a text chatbox.

Everybody wins.

floydmurphy.kg_ESO

The way I see it is...and I hate to sound over-dramatic, but: Text chat will save this game. Period.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

No text chat for consoles. there is the same amount of spam, negative remarks etc etc in text chat as there are in vc. Too many 'expert typist' having 2000 wpm convos (along with the lfg lfg wts wtb wtb, best prices for ESO gold around yada yada) in text, is not wat the console master-race ppl want. Stop wat ur doing, scroll up and up and up then go to reply to something u want to respond to, only to find the convo has changed 20 times since

Make friends, group up, join a guild, and use those voice chat channels if area chat bothers u that much..on the console. lots of kool gamers rollin PS4 and voice chatting, wanting to have fun and roll this

Before the 'there's text chat channels for the lfg, wts/wtb' peeps chime in...we all know just how well ppl abide by using the proper channels

PC has text chat, not sure why ppl bother to get the console version knowing text was not a option, then complain? It was known in enough time before the 9th that text for console was not available.

I hate fp view, so I don't buy cod etc and complain about no 3rd person view available....I just buy a game with 3rd person view and roll.

Mic up, guild up, group up and hav fun

Naivefanboi

Varicite wrote: »

Strange that they would consolidate it into the shortest thread.

But I digress, an optional text chat box has been successfully implemented in console MMOs over a decade old; it seems far simpler to add the text chat box that already exists in code than to go through a laundry list of tweaks just to have a system that is still less elegant than just typing what you want to.

Sales, recruiting, grouping, and a number of other issues could be easily resolved by the addition of the text chat box and would circumvent the archaic and, quite frankly, entirely unacceptable need to visit third-party websites and forums just to utilize the systems in the game.

ZOS is already slated to add VC to the PC version of the game, allowing players to communicate both through text and voice for the situations where each is strongest.

Console players should also have this versatility and not be railroaded into a lesser Elder Scrolls experience simply because of the medium they choose to play the game on.

We ALL play ESO, and while there are some great things about ESO on consoles, there are also some deficits to the experience due to clumsy handling of certain staples of the game, such as guild recruitment, finding non-dungeon player groups (Cyrodiil, world bosses, tough quests, etc that the group finder is inadequate for), selling of wares outside of guild kiosks, etc.

Those who wish to continue to use only VC can continue to do so and use the same methods that they are preaching to others currently as workarounds for these clunky systems, and those who wish to remain in-game and not play a console game while tied to a laptop, PC, or tablet in order to fully utilize the in-game systems can use a text chatbox.

Everybody wins.

Worded perfectly.

Cherry

Okay, I came here from a thread with a very good reason text chat should be in the console games: There are deaf players. There are players with speech impediments. There are players with social anxiety. There are players who are physically unable to use voice chat.

So saying it doesn't belong on consoles is saying these players do not belong in the game.

Varicite

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

No text chat for consoles. there is the same amount of spam, negative remarks etc etc in text chat as there are in vc. Too many 'expert typist' having 2000 wpm convos (along with the lfg lfg wts wtb wtb, best prices for ESO gold around yada yada) in text, is not wat the console master-race ppl want. Stop wat ur doing, scroll up and up and up then go to reply to something u want to respond to, only to find the convo has changed 20 times since

If this bothers you, why not turn it off as everyone has recommended turning off Area Chat in-game if that is irritating to us?

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Make friends, group up, join a guild, and use those voice chat channels if area chat bothers u that much..on the console. lots of kool gamers rollin PS4 and voice chatting, wanting to have fun and roll this

And that's perfectly fine too. Adding text chat does not stop you from doing exactly this. And you could turn it off, as mentioned above.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

Before the 'there's text chat channels for the lfg, wts/wtb' peeps chime in...we all know just how well ppl abide by using the proper channels

Nothing you just wrote helps the situation for selling wares or grouping up for non-dungeon content in the least. There are a number of in-game systems that are entirely obtuse to actually use in-game, and that is an issue.

Your solution of "just ignore it" simply isn't good enough for many of us.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

PC has text chat, not sure why ppl bother to get the console version knowing text was not a option, then complain? It was known in enough time before the 9th that text for console was not available.

And soon, PC will also have optional Voice Chat, making it a far more versatile experience for gamers. Consoles should not be left out of this flexibility, as each avenue of communication excels in different situations. VC cannot replace text chat for certain things, just as text chat cannot replace voice communication in other examples.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

I hate fp view, so I don't buy cod etc and complain about no 3rd person view available....I just buy a game with 3rd person view and roll.

What a silly example, considering that this was an entirely 3rd person game before players complained about no 1st person view being available, and ZOS was wise enough to add it prior to launch for those who enjoy that style of gameplay. And the game has been much better for it, as it allows BOTH walks of life to enjoy their time in-game.

That's all that we are asking for here, a way that players of BOTH preferences to enjoy their time in-game, especially in light of how wonky the systems that were originally designed w/ text chat in mind have become w/out it.

EQBallzz

floydmurphy.kg_ESO wrote: »

I love how everyone is saying "go on the forums, go on this website, that website" .......not everyone wants to constantly be logged into their PC/laptop when they are playing a CONSOLE game just to find people to play with. That is inexcusable. Plus...not everyone is spoiled enough to have a computer at their convenience at all times.

What? I thought the whole draw of playing on consoles was so that you could sit in your easy chair in front of your TV and then set up a PC on your coffee table to supplement your console experience and make it 50% as effective as the PC version of the game?

In all seriousness I don't get why people are defending this. There are some things not suited for voice chat and having text chat in addition to vc in no way takes away from those who want to just disable text chat entirely. Selling items, recruiting, organizing with others across a zone (world bosses, pvp etc..), passing along stats of an item and the list goes on and on.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Cherry wrote: »

Okay, I came here from a thread with a very good reason text chat should be in the console games: There are deaf players. There are players with speech impediments. There are players with social anxiety. There are players who are physically unable to use voice chat.

So saying it doesn't belong on consoles is saying these players do not belong in the game.

My friend is legally blind and has rolled several console games with us, and even though they cannot see, they still have fun hearing the game sounds and vocally conversing with ppl via a headset. Why should they have bought a game on a console that says no text chat, only to have it added when it's already in place and working on the same game, different platform?

As of now they are not missing out on anything chat wise....add text, and they will be missing out on some. That's not fair to them. He's a player that cannot physically read text.

The deaf, speech impediment and social disorder folks have text chat available on the PC version of this game.

Varicite

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

My friend is legally blind and has rolled several console games with us, and even though they cannot see, they still have fun hearing the game sounds and vocally conversing with ppl via a headset.

And they can continue doing exactly that w/out using the text chat, as many have said before.

What is the issue?

Adding text chat for those who wish to use it does not in any way cause all of the voice chat implementations to cease to exist.

And honestly, if they can do well enough to play this game while legally blind, they should be more than capable of utilizing the text chat if they DO want to, or simply NOT use it at all and nothing will have changed from their current experience.

Again, PCs will soon (tm) be capable of using BOTH text chat and VC. Why do you want console gamers to be left behind simply because you prefer to only use one avenue of communication that you can STILL continue to solely use? : /

Cherry

You're missing the point here. Your friend would be missing out on some, but they would not be blocked from all communication the way people unable to use voice chat are here. There is no reason people should not be able to choose what suits them and their situation best.

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO

Varicite wrote: »

If this bothers you, why not turn it off as everyone has recommended turning off Area Chat in-game if that is irritating to us?

^^^It goes beyond "irritating" to the average console player...we like our controllers and headset for coms.


And that's perfectly fine too. Adding text chat does not stop you from doing exactly this. And you could turn it off, as mentioned above.

^^^Keeping text chat on the PC and out of consoles does not stop ppl from rolling the game effectively either.


Nothing you just wrote helps the situation for selling wares or grouping up for non-dungeon content in the least. There are a number of in-game systems that are entirely obtuse to actually use in-game, and that is an issue.

^^^ I bed to differ. Trading guilds, the fourms if needed (that are very active) taking a chance and speaking with the many, many ppl in game around u, being in a guild with others who would surly help other guildies quest etc..


Your solution of "just ignore it" simply isn't good enough for many of us.

^^^ I said "ignore it"? Wat is "it"? u lost me on this one.


And soon, PC will also have optional Voice Chat, making it a far more versatile experience for gamers. Consoles should not be left out of this flexibility, as each avenue of communication excels in different situations. VC cannot replace text chat for certain things, just as text chat cannot replace voice communication in other examples.


^^^ Idk about that, seems a lot of pc players are complaining about ZOS not fixing etc much since launch...wat makes adding VC to pc a top priority above gameplay bugs fixes and new content etc? Teamspeak or vent does just fine for vc on the pc.
We console players do not feel "left out" by not having to text chat.



What a silly example, considering that this was an entirely 3rd person game before players complained about no 1st person view being available, and ZOS was wise enough to add it prior to launch for those who enjoy that style of gameplay. And the game has been much better for it, as it allows BOTH walks of life to enjoy their time in-game.

^^^ I don't think it's "silly". And I wouldn't have rolled any of the Elder scrolls nor ESO had they not offered 3rd person view.I wouldn't have went on the devs page/fourm complaining either..I'd just simply buy wat best suited me and my needs/wants.



That's all that we are asking for here, a way that players of BOTH preferences to enjoy their time in-game, especially in light of how wonky the systems that were originally designed w/ text chat in mind have become w/out it.[/quote]

^^^ All we the console controller using players are asking is to keep it in line with wat we are used to...controller and mic. PC gamers are used to keyboard and mouse and texting/typing. Again, this game is on the PC for those who have to have text...no complaints from most console players as to wat or wat is not available with the PC version...I think it should be the same for the console version.

Varicite

You seem to be trying to speak for all console gamers.

Yet, I and many others in this thread are console gamers and have expressed our interest in text chat.

So clearly you do not actually speak for console gamers. In the future, you should probably limit your voice to just yourself, since that's literally the only person you are honestly speaking for.