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Blackwater Blade (EU)

  • Vyperia
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    raviour wrote: »
    so aldmeri are enjoying the weak npc late night, all those tries to nightcap before, finally they can do it...

    must be a nice feeling

    Wait... People are still playing on bwb? Even with the 2 hour ttk? Must be a lot of fun...
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  • Paradox
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    raviour wrote: »
    so aldmeri are enjoying the weak npc late night, all those tries to nightcap before, finally they can do it...

    must be a nice feeling

    Wait... People are still playing on bwb? Even with the 2 hour ttk? Must be a lot of fun...

    Not really. Entire guilds have left.
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  • JamilaRaj
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    Well, I first joined the noob campaign last year around this time and in comparison...it is so incredibly worse now that every time I log in and encounter first enemies, I desire nothing else but to log off and go play anything else. It was buggy, zergy, pointless pew pew before this latest patch, but after it it is just plain insufferable.
    I know this may come as surprise from me, criticizing or mocking the cash shop at every turn, but if the devs put more effort into creating more silly mounts and costumes instead of...developing...for lack of better terms...the game, I think we would be all better off. So bad it is.
  • Vyperia
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    Paradox wrote: »
    raviour wrote: »
    so aldmeri are enjoying the weak npc late night, all those tries to nightcap before, finally they can do it...

    must be a nice feeling

    Wait... People are still playing on bwb? Even with the 2 hour ttk? Must be a lot of fun...

    Not really. Entire guilds have left.

    That was my point ;)
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  • Workerdroid7
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    I was initially dismayed by the changes in this patch. But... after a few days of playing it, it's actually ok. The biggest issue is the ridiculous AD night-capping which has happened every single night since the patch landed. This morning, an AD emp was crowned at 3 or 4 am. Right now, AD does not own a single emp keep, and not many other keeps. By tomorrow morning, the map will be all yellow. Such fun. Such "honor" for that emp. Truly.
  • Vyperia
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    I was initially dismayed by the changes in this patch. But... after a few days of playing it, it's actually ok. The biggest issue is the ridiculous AD night-capping which has happened every single night since the patch landed. This morning, an AD emp was crowned at 3 or 4 am. Right now, AD does not own a single emp keep, and not many other keeps. By tomorrow morning, the map will be all yellow. Such fun. Such "honor" for that emp. Truly.

    Grand warlord farud strikes again I see. What need too happen is ALL DC & EP leave the campaign and then they can pvdoor happily alone and nobody will complain about "nightcapping"
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  • Mendarthin
    Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot

    I'm sure you'll get along just fine

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  • Workerdroid7
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    Mendarthin wrote: »
    Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot

    I'm sure you'll get along just fine

    iduIfnI.jpg

    Not very different from when I went to bed at around 10pm last night (an extra 2 keeps, I think). If this WAS night-capping by the blues, I do not approve. WHEN was a blue emp crowned?

    Edit: I just check... you are right, blue emp crowned 3 hours ago. Sigh. Well, AD and EP have every right to go nuts on us today. Go to it.

    Edit again: I wasn't there, but from what I gathered in zone chat this morning... this apparent night-capping was actually a group of blues who stayed up to defend against the regular AD night-cap crowd. This they did.
    Edited by Workerdroid7 on September 7, 2015 10:02AM
  • Valencer
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    Oh no, DC took stuff at night. Guess AD has every right to paint the map yellow overnight a couple more weeks now. :D

    And why is Ghary at Black Boot? You monsters... :'(
  • Alucardo
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    A few of us insomniacs from DC running around from like midnight to 7:30-8am with our Empress. The map looked like a giant blueberry. I'd say good times were had, but I only saw 1 or 2 yellows. The rest of the time we were fighting NPCs from 2am onward.
  • Mendarthin
    Mendarthin wrote: »
    Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot

    I'm sure you'll get along just fine

    iduIfnI.jpg

    Not very different from when I went to bed at around 10pm last night (an extra 2 keeps, I think). If this WAS night-capping by the blues, I do not approve. WHEN was a blue emp crowned?

    Edit: I just check... you are right, blue emp crowned 3 hours ago. Sigh. Well, AD and EP have every right to go nuts on us today. Go to it.

    Edit again: I wasn't there, but from what I gathered in zone chat this morning... this apparent night-capping was actually a group of blues who stayed up to defend against the regular AD night-cap crowd. This they did.

    I didn't really mean to accuse DC of nightcapping, I more wanted to highlight the insanity of the very concept with our server spanning so many different timezones.

    As an example, here's my experience from sunday. I logged on around 10AM to find the entire map yellow. DC and EP presence was pretty much nonexistant untill around 4PM. We (i'm a scummy, nightcapping banana) held pretty much all of our emp keeps untill somewhere around 8PM. between 4 and 8, our emp and 2 of our groups defending logged off. When I logged off (at around 11 PM) we just lost drake, and managed to hold off two attacks at faregyl. Red had BRK, allessia and their other homekeep (chalman?). Monday morning, I woke up to the screenshot above.

    Now, 10 AM to 4 PM can hardly be called night, but we wouldn't have had much of an issue taking pretty much any keep with just 10 people, simply because of the lack of opposition online at the time. Hell, we took Ghary aswell as the keeps needed for him (her?) with a single group.

    Now clearly, either we were nightcapping (night-defending?) for what i consider pretty normal hours during a weekend, or other other alliances were (which i doubt, as the real action generally never starts until about an hour or 2-3 before i log off).

    Yes nightcapping sucks, both for the alliance doing it (there's ***-all to do untill the other alliances try something), aswell as those it's getting done too (waking up to a monocolor map after fiercely contesting every inch the night before), But unless we start a spreadsheet to determine the times it's acceptable to come pvp, it's inevitable (it'll happen unintentionally if nothing else).

    And since the rewards for winning a campaign are *** anyways, can't we all just have fun bashing eachother's faces in when all alliances have good attendance, instead of endlessly bitching about the times one alliance happened to have more people on?
    Edited by Mendarthin on September 7, 2015 5:03PM
  • Merlight
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    Valencer wrote: »
    Oh no, DC took stuff at night. Guess AD has every right to paint the map yellow overnight a couple more weeks now. :D

    Are you a prophet or something? Sometimes I wonder whether AD are real people, or just ZOS bots zerging everything that's not yellow.
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  • Rikumaru
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    Its not AD's fault that not many people are playing in DC or EP.
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  • Workerdroid7
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    Rikumaru wrote: »
    Its not AD's fault that not many people are playing in DC or EP.

    True. Still, this evening (and the last 3 days when I've been on) , AD has had 3 bars, DC has had 1. Removes all the fun from the campaign, sadly. A 3:1 player ratio with the current game state kind of removes all skill from the equation.

    (not saying AD players don't have skill, just saying it doesn't actually matter if DC players do, they will be swamped no matter what)

    Edit: for the first time since I've encountered BWB, I am seriously considering just levelling my latest character to vet levels and ignoring BWB entirely. The campaign is so imbalanced in terms of numbers right now, it's largely pointless.

    Edited by Workerdroid7 on September 11, 2015 8:24PM
  • Valencer
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    Rikumaru wrote: »
    Its not AD's fault that not many people are playing in DC or EP.

    I can't call myself an expert on BwB matters the past 2 weeks but I doubt it's DC or EP's fault that all of them woke up to a full yellow map almost every day. And then being unable to reclaim most of it because of the current slow zerg meta of BwB. If that doesn't kill the motivation to play on Blackwater Blade, I don't know what does.

    If Im misinformed, I'll gladly eat my words, but this is the impression Ive gotten from the few guildies that still played on BwB on and off since the update. Oh, and logging onto BwB occasionally to find what is essentially a yellow buff campaign kind of confirms it, unless AD has suddenly become an alliance of master strategists/tacticians (doubtful).
  • Praeficere
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    Back in my day, not a single Covenant man or woman were in mind of night/morning-whatever capping for months on end.

    We had principle, back then.

    EP night/morning capped the map for 2 weeks straights at a time. We would spend a day taking back Rayles/Warden and sometimes even Glade! For it to all to run red with the smears of miracle grow sustaining the weak, but numerous tomato hordes on morrow. The map would run rampant with AD/EP emp swaps and of course, not forgetting the population imbalance. EP always as 3, AD always at 2/3 and DC?
    Always at 1.

    Heck, not even a DC emperor for 6/7 months till the time of ol' Cao.

    Yet, with so few blues (a group of 12 at most on peak time, rarely) and yet, we had fun. The numbers matter not, it is the leadership and companionship of the group. Of course, what held the DC community so strongly together, whittled away as DC bloated and PvP dynamics changed, favouring the way of larger bodies of donkeys.

    Once valiant lions, shunned the path of valour.. succumbing to the frailty of opprobrium.

    Players once eager on developing and improving themselves, to in the future lead and nurture... turned on their inspirate.

    Henceforth, DC. The once prideful and happy community of fun-loving and positive persons, sundered.

    There emerged no distinction between the three, for all are now the same.

    All zerg, all exploit, all toxic, the true BwB.. forever gone.

    Not many of you would have experienced the BwB that was, and shall never be. Remember that, when one talks of Blackwater.
    Edited by Praeficere on September 12, 2015 5:05AM
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  • raviour
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    this is why the ad glory, maybe farud/windcaller should do undaunted runs instead

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07wplqV5Qos&feature=youtu.be
  • Mendarthin
    Congratulations to EP and DC.

    You've finally managed to dethrone our emp, and even snag some scrolls back.
    Granted, it took some time (a long, loong time). But it was getting pretty dull strolling around cyrodiil unchallenged, so i'm happy you guys got your fighting spirit back.

    Please don't be too crushed when we start putting you back in your place.
  • Valencer
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    You tend to stroll around cyrodiil unchallenged when it's 5 am in the morning and everyone is asleep...

    Have mercy on those poor Covenant/Pact Honor Guard. :(
  • Mendarthin
    I'm really trying, but this past week it's been so difficult to tell the difference.

    Maybe you guys could start wearing funny hats to help us distinguish you from the npcs?
  • Dral_Shady
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    Mendarthin wrote: »
    I'm really trying, but this past week it's been so difficult to tell the difference.

    Maybe you guys could start wearing funny hats to help us distinguish you from the npcs?

    It wouldnt help. The pure mass of AD players makes it hard to see anything :D
  • Master_Fluff
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    Well, the IC DLC nerfed the NPCs. I wonder who complained to ZOS to make that happen?
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  • Valencer
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    Mendarthin wrote: »
    I'm really trying, but this past week it's been so difficult to tell the difference.

    Maybe you guys could start wearing funny hats to help us distinguish you from the npcs?

    Ah, this explains everything! You thought you were fighting players! Fear not, I'm here to help.

    When you hover over an enemy you'll see their healthbar on the top of your screen and his/her name. If it's a generic name like "Pact Mender" it's likely a NPC. If it has a weird random name, and an alliance war rank icon next to it, it's likely a player. NPCs never have alliance war rank icons next to their names.
    Be careful though! Some players use names like "Dominion Mender" as a form of joke.

    If you need any more clarification, I will gladly upload a screenshot to illustrate the difference.
  • Vyperia
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    Valencer wrote: »
    Mendarthin wrote: »
    I'm really trying, but this past week it's been so difficult to tell the difference.

    Maybe you guys could start wearing funny hats to help us distinguish you from the npcs?

    Ah, this explains everything! You thought you were fighting players! Fear not, I'm here to help.

    When you hover over an enemy you'll see their healthbar on the top of your screen and his/her name. If it's a generic name like "Pact Mender" it's likely a NPC. If it has a weird random name, and an alliance war rank icon next to it, it's likely a player. NPCs never have alliance war rank icons next to their names.
    Be careful though! Some players use names like "Dominion Mender" as a form of joke.

    If you need any more clarification, I will gladly upload a screenshot to illustrate the difference.

    This may well be the best reply I've ever seen. :D

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  • Mendarthin
    Well, I still have some questions.

    When we were taking over Blue Road Keep, there were these guys with red shields over their heads.

    They had somewhat random names, and one of them did try to burn down my siege, so tthese should have been players according to what you're telling me.

    But the siegeburner just stood there and died when i stopped him. And there were several others standing still directly beneath my oil... Are these really players or special NPCs you get from the low score bonus?

    This is all so confusing...
  • Master_Fluff
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    My guess is they suffered some disconnect/lag issue.
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  • Workerdroid7
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    Hahahaha. When I logged off yesterday evening (admittedly, quite early evening), AD had 2 keeps, after a very busy day of good contested fighting by all 3 factions. This morning EVERYTHING is yellow. DC and EP do not own a single thing. Well done, AD, well done.
    Edited by Workerdroid7 on September 14, 2015 6:51AM
  • Mauz
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    Hahahaha. When I logged off yesterday evening (admittedly, quite early evening), AD had 2 keeps, after a very busy day of good contested fighting by all 3 factions. This morning EVERYTHING is yellow. DC and EP do not own a single thing. Well done, AD, well done.

    *sigh* no that's NOT AD. It's some rediculous and egoistic ppl who want to get the emperor title. It's like this: there's someone appearing on the top of the leaderboard out of nowhere however he got his ap from and the only thing he really managed to do ist to motivate 10 ppl to get up at 5am.

    98% of AD does NOT have anything to do with that and it's the same for all factions. I personally HATE a situation when the whole map is in one 1 color no matter what color that is because this is the most boring situation I can imagine.

    If the dmg reduction was a cofin nail this combined with continuous night capping is the death sentence for this campaign. Noone who really cares about bwb would do that.

    Edited by Mauz on September 14, 2015 8:59AM
  • Merlight
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    @Mauz sounds about right. It's always the same 15-20 people. Two ridiculously strong NBs and a bunch of Stands-In-Red-All-Night-Long type guys. They don't even need to get up at 5am, since there's hardly any DC or EP left after midnight.
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  • brusedunder
    brusedunder
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    Yeah... A couple of posts back I said that the rule against nightcaping was outdated. Since then prince nightcap yellow showed up taught me that there is a vast contrast in what is the DC night pug is and the lifeless yellows in raidform.
    But oh well, enjoy ure moment. dat pride u must feel!.
    Edited by brusedunder on September 15, 2015 7:48AM
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