Console Quick chat article - link inside

Isbilen

Guy finds a rare drop (this is every 30 seconds at the Undaunted enclaves):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYeaqAqIlE0

Town conversation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jl3rfV__v50&t=2m10s

The Khajiit next to you in Cyrodiil who just ganked someone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvG0VfnUWyI

NewBlacksmurf

uberkull wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing

O'really? What are you basing that on? You're own little world of a few friends?

You don't remember this poll, which sampled the forum vistors...that play the PC version of ESO...
LINK

The problem with your posts is that you never are open to options, you just spew your opinion and that it. Text Chat should be optional and why you continue to fight this is what pisses people off when reading your replies.

Without going into the marketing BS, the act like you know what ZOS is doing, and the long drawn out posts that go so far off of what you replying to....how about you just answer this.

Why would it be so bad if they included text chat, that you can minimize or turn off, like EVERY other MMO console does in the ESO console release? Simple, why is that option bad?

I was hesitant to reply but if you're seriously asking me a question...
here is one study done by a reputable company 2008 - 2010 (older ) but it shows the trends that are still viable information today and EVEN specifically address video games and MMORPG gaming.

http://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/dotcom/client_service/high tech/pdfs/the_world_gone_digital.ashx

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.
AND specifically the latest TESO marketing is 100% video with no text, even TESO Twitch Live

Maldrix

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing

Now hold on a second there, thats not true at all.
There was a poll on this very forum regarding this very subject, 60% of people yes they wanted text chat, 27% of people said no they didn't want it and 12% said they wouldn't even bother because it has no text chat.
Thats more then double the amount of people saying yes to text chat.
And personally play both DCUO and FFXIV on my ps4, use text chat all the time, I got no issue with people NOT wanting text chat, but obviously, there is a very large amount that do, and it should be an option for those that want or need to use it.

There is nothing to lose by adding text chat and where as there is stuff to gain, namely player happiness.
The people who WANT it will be happy because its there available to them, the people who don't want it can simply turn it off and lose nothing in the process.

Text chat opens up avenues to help players, the LFG tool isn't always gonna be a viable option, when you can't find people using the tool text chat helps with that, instead of physically running around different zones yelling on your mic, asking if anyone wants to do City of Ash, you can just stay where you are and ask it in chat bothering anyway.
Not everyone willing to do some group activity is using the LFG tool at that moment, I'm sure anyone who has played an mmo has just been keeping to themselves doing some random quest when someone has asked in chat if anyone wants to do some grouping and thought to themselves "Oh I could help this guy out" or "Oh I was gonna do that later but I could get it done now."

And what about proximity chat in towns? What if you are going to do some crafting or buying or just wanna go to town cause you gotta find people using voice chat and there are loads of people talking, I wasn't in the beta but even the couple streams I watched always had people arguing in town or yelling at their kids or eating real loudly, gonna be great having to mute a bunch of people everytime you walk into a hub area.

Someone was talking to me about the beta through messages, this is what they had to say.

The ps4 beta suffered alot due to no text chat.

I had to go physically to the dungeon entrances and invite people to groups because you can't use any chat from other zones to group up.

What people are ignoring is the zones and instances.

If you are in daggerfall and someone is in a near by town, and in different instances, how are they supposed to see the canned chat? it isn't broadcast that far.
LFG text would be easier because i could simply type "lfg spindleclutch" where as in canned chat and voice i can't.
Also voice chat was messy in towns, people blaring music down the mic in close proximity, when we were in a group a guy did nothing but mouth breathe, play music and shout at his kids....... times this by 100's more players in release its going to suck.

Like i say the ps4 beta suffered - it felt like single player game at times.

Take all that as you will.

NewBlacksmurf

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing

Now hold on a second there, thats not true at all.
There was a poll on this very forum regarding this very subject, 60% of people yes they wanted text chat, 27% of people said no they didn't want it and 12% said they wouldn't even bother because it has no text chat.
Thats more then double the amount of people saying yes to text chat.
And personally play both DCUO and FFXIV on my ps4, use text chat all the time, I got no issue with people NOT wanting text chat, but obviously, there is a very large amount that do, and it should be an option for those that want or need to use it.

There is nothing to lose by adding text chat and where as there is stuff to gain, namely player happiness.
The people who WANT it will be happy because its there available to them, the people who don't want it can simply turn it off and lose nothing in the process.

Text chat opens up avenues to help players, the LFG tool isn't always gonna be a viable option, when you can't find people using the tool text chat helps with that, instead of physically running around different zones yelling on your mic, asking if anyone wants to do City of Ash, you can just stay where you are and ask it in chat bothering anyway.
Not everyone willing to do some group activity is using the LFG tool at that moment, I'm sure anyone who has played an mmo has just been keeping to themselves doing some random quest when someone has asked in chat if anyone wants to do some grouping and thought to themselves "Oh I could help this guy out" or "Oh I was gonna do that later but I could get it done now."

And what about proximity chat in towns? What if you are going to do some crafting or buying or just wanna go to town cause you gotta find people using voice chat and there are loads of people talking, I wasn't in the beta but even the couple streams I watched always had people arguing in town or yelling at their kids or eating real loudly, gonna be great having to mute a bunch of people everytime you walk into a hub area.

Someone was talking to me about the beta through messages, this is what they had to say.

The ps4 beta suffered alot due to no text chat.

I had to go physically to the dungeon entrances and invite people to groups because you can't use any chat from other zones to group up.

What people are ignoring is the zones and instances.

If you are in daggerfall and someone is in a near by town, and in different instances, how are they supposed to see the canned chat? it isn't broadcast that far.
LFG text would be easier because i could simply type "lfg spindleclutch" where as in canned chat and voice i can't.
Also voice chat was messy in towns, people blaring music down the mic in close proximity, when we were in a group a guy did nothing but mouth breathe, play music and shout at his kids....... times this by 100's more players in release its going to suck.

Like i say the ps4 beta suffered - it felt like single player game at times.

Take all that as you will.

a poll on this forum....

-Taking a poll on one particular market group (where they may be two rolled into one) isn't an accurate measuring stick.
That poll was only open to people who owned the PC version of this game and who also chose to register and use the forums.

-Also as mentioned in the many recent threads, there is a lot of people who missed the console transfer because this is not their normal way of finding out information nor how they keep in touch with offers and gaming. These are the console folks who may have the ability to play on PC but who prefer consoles vs PC.


-I wont comment on the other stuff as again...this thread is not at all about text chat.
This thread is 100% about the radial pre-set chat article only.

Feel free to comment as you please tho

Maldrix

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

uberkull wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing

O'really? What are you basing that on? You're own little world of a few friends?

You don't remember this poll, which sampled the forum vistors...that play the PC version of ESO...
LINK

The problem with your posts is that you never are open to options, you just spew your opinion and that it. Text Chat should be optional and why you continue to fight this is what pisses people off when reading your replies.

Without going into the marketing BS, the act like you know what ZOS is doing, and the long drawn out posts that go so far off of what you replying to....how about you just answer this.

Why would it be so bad if they included text chat, that you can minimize or turn off, like EVERY other MMO console does in the ESO console release? Simple, why is that option bad?

I was hesitant to reply but if you're seriously asking me a question...
here is one study done by a reputable company 2008 - 2010 (older ) but it shows the trends that are still viable information today and EVEN specifically address video games and MMORPG gaming.

http://www.mckinsey.com/~/media/mckinsey/dotcom/client_service/high tech/pdfs/the_world_gone_digital.ashx

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.
AND specifically the latest TESO marketing is 100% video with no text, even TESO Twitch Live

Again, you can't answer a question directly. You go off on a tangent, pointing out some study that revolves around the real world. Even in that study, it counters your opinion.

You are comparing reporting the news to a video game's communication mechanic. That makes no sense.

We use texting on our phones more than we talk on them. At work we email a 1000x more than we meet in meetings. We IM at work across teams far more than pick up the phone. It's all about convenience and being able to get a quick response, this is why we use text.

Again, a optional text chat box in the console version, why is this bothering you so much?

gard

Isbilen wrote: »

Guy finds a rare drop (this is every 30 seconds at the Undaunted enclaves):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYeaqAqIlE0

Town conversation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jl3rfV__v50&t=2m10s

The Khajiit next to you in Cyrodiil who just ganked someone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvG0VfnUWyI

This^

On the original topic, quickchat is a good idea though. It seems like ZOS is listening. That makes me happy.

NewBlacksmurf

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

liammozzb16_ESO

The game need proper chat its as simple as that, any social game needs a way of comunicating thats quick and

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

^i cant wait to stand in a main city saying LFG (insert grouping here) every 5 min. its going to be so much more fun that using Ctrl+v.^

NewBlacksmurf

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

The game need proper chat its as simple as that, any social game needs a way of comunicating thats quick and

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

^i cant wait to stand in a main city saying LFG (insert grouping here) every 5 min. its going to be so much more fun that using Ctrl+v.^

why wouldn't you use the grouping tool?

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

You are a funny one. You continue to go off on a tangent. Every post, you simply avoid the basic question.

Why is having a optional text chat box on console bad? You can hide it, disable it, while others can use it.

liammozzb16_ESO

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

The game need proper chat its as simple as that, any social game needs a way of comunicating thats quick and

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

^i cant wait to stand in a main city saying LFG (insert grouping here) every 5 min. its going to be so much more fun that using Ctrl+v.^

why wouldn't you use the grouping tool?

i will but come on you know how long those wait times can be

NewBlacksmurf

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

The game need proper chat its as simple as that, any social game needs a way of comunicating thats quick and

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

^i cant wait to stand in a main city saying LFG (insert grouping here) every 5 min. its going to be so much more fun that using Ctrl+v.^

why wouldn't you use the grouping tool?

i will but come on you know how long those wait times can be

On PC, for me as I've shared in many other threads a few minutes.
I'm aware that others have had nightmare wait times but the tool only works based off participation and a 4 level min/max by selections.

The bigger issue is that people are choosing to utilize zone chat as a grouping tool thus this causes a very negative impact for everyone.

Consoles will be very different, how different, IDK but the experiences will differ due to the obvious around what communication options exist.

BUT.....this topic isn't about any of that.

What are your thoughts on the article that this thread hopes to discuss?

Vulsahdaal

Heromofo wrote: »

All i can say is

If your not playing on the consoles srsly stop posting on threads like this.
If you are and did not play the beta then again chill and wait for the release.
The design is brillant and i cannot wait to play.

Im also planning on playing the console, I already purchased my transfer..
But I did not play the beta.. I keep hearing how the design is brilliant and such from people who did play the beta, but yet why is it such a secret?
Ok, so no text chat.. I really dont care as long as they included some other way to do the things we would normally do in text chat on pc- such as selling items, looking for guilds, looking for items, asking for help with a world boss, dolmen etc etc
My pc experienced brain can not figure out how this is done without text chat, so curiosity is getting the best of me here and I think if those who did beta would just explain how these things are done in the console version, it may go a long way to setting some minds at ease.. well, mine anyway

Reb

Heromofo wrote: »

All i can say is

If your not playing on the consoles srsly stop posting on threads like this.
If you are and did not play the beta then again chill and wait for the release.
The design is brillant and i cannot wait to play.

What exactly does playing in the beta have to do with something that has been added after the beta was run ?

Im looking forward to release just as much as anyone, however im not looking forward to chat bubble town spam at all.

i just hope ill be able to turn it off

liammozzb16_ESO

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

The game need proper chat its as simple as that, any social game needs a way of comunicating thats quick and

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

^i cant wait to stand in a main city saying LFG (insert grouping here) every 5 min. its going to be so much more fun that using Ctrl+v.^

why wouldn't you use the grouping tool?

i will but come on you know how long those wait times can be

On PC, for me as I've shared in many other threads a few minutes.
I'm aware that others have had nightmare wait times but the tool only works based off participation and a 4 level min/max by selections.

The bigger issue is that people are choosing to utilize zone chat as a grouping tool thus this causes a very negative impact for everyone.

Consoles will be very different, how different, IDK but the experiences will differ due to the obvious around what communication options exist.

BUT.....this topic isn't about any of that.

What are your thoughts on the article that this thread hopes to discuss?

sorry i forgot to add that

as for the topic i don't see me using them. they have been in other games but i always used voice.

Maldrix

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

You're comparing technology as a whole to text chat in a video game.
Your whole argument is invalid anyway because while tech is growing an changing, all that communication tech for the most part still has text chat in some form, these days we use phones more for txting eachother, leaving messages on social media, sending emails and things like that then we do for actually making calls.

The Xbox One didn't get a keypad, you're right, you know what it did get?
Smartglass, so you among other things you could use your phone or tablet as a keyboard, same deal with the ps4.

When watching streamers, we still written text.
When commenting on youtube videos we still use written text.
When commenting on social media we use written text.


All these things don't use text because they are ancient relics of technology still gripping on from the past like you like to imply for some reason.
They use written text because its simple and it works.
Even the article you posted showed things that text primarily have grown more then voice based communication.

NewBlacksmurf

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

All i can say is

If your not playing on the consoles srsly stop posting on threads like this.
If you are and did not play the beta then again chill and wait for the release.
The design is brillant and i cannot wait to play.

Im also planning on playing the console, I already purchased my transfer..
But I did not play the beta.. I keep hearing how the design is brilliant and such from people who did play the beta, but yet why is it such a secret?
Ok, so no text chat.. I really dont care as long as they included some other way to do the things we would normally do in text chat on pc- such as selling items, looking for guilds, looking for items, asking for help with a world boss, dolmen etc etc
My pc experienced brain can not figure out how this is done without text chat, so curiosity is getting the best of me here and I think if those who did beta would just explain how these things are done in the console version, it may go a long way to setting some minds at ease.. well, mine anyway

I think this is about the radial chat...so if its OK to jump in...

-Don't expect to play on either console in the same ways you play on PC
-Selling items Guild Stores or (if you so choose, talk to people or use the radial chat prompt, or send a console msg to the user or send a screenshot msg with what you're offering to trade)

-looking for guilds= http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/guild-recruitment
-looking for items = please elaborate
-asking for help with a boss, dolmen, etc. = use proximity chat, or when you encounter another player, interact and play together

My personal experience in console BETA was that people are usually open to helping and playing with others. There are always exceptions but here is the BIG thing.

On consoles, friends lists and outside game party chat etc is already set up so in many cases, you would want to introduce yourself into a few circles of people.

When i play games I rarely have problems playing or finding others to play with, usually the issues is that you have too many people playing doing different things so you just jump in and do things together. I help you, swap to an alt and you help me, etc. etc

Been doing this for over 2 years on xbox one in various games.

Unlike PC, where everyone has to start over meeting people unless a guild migration occurs from one game to another its otherwise a hand full of friends vs hundreds of ppl that you can follow who can also follow you and jump in and out of games or send game invites or party invites and later game invites while playing different games, etc.


what you should be doing right now....going to the console forums and going into threads, or FB pages, etc and following a few ppl that plan on playing on console

Its how this gen works...
on the xbox forums there are a few threads already and some here.
I'm sure a similar trend follows PS4

finding people to do stuff with will be the least of your issues unless you don't make friends or follow ppl

NewBlacksmurf

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

You're comparing technology as a whole to text chat in a video game.
Your whole argument is invalid anyway because while tech is growing an changing, all that communication tech for the most part still has text chat in some form, these days we use phones more for txting eachother, leaving messages on social media, sending emails and things like that then we do for actually making calls.

The Xbox One didn't get a keypad, you're right, you know what it did get?
Smartglass, so you among other things you could use your phone or tablet as a keyboard, same deal with the ps4.

When watching streamers, we still written text.
When commenting on youtube videos we still use written text.
When commenting on social media we use written text.


All these things don't use text because they are ancient relics of technology still gripping on from the past like you like to imply for some reason.
They use written text because its simple and it works.
Even the article you posted showed things that text primarily have grown more then voice based communication.

keep reading... This thread is actually about the radial pre-set text emote and a few others want to focus on text chat only not being in the console version. That isn't what this is about but as I continue to say...comment as you please. I'm sharing relevant information about this topic and that article, tho old addresses consoles, among other devices and trends around communication and even references MMO games


In this thread, I'd prefer you not try to pull out anything without reading the whole article and after doing so, go ahead and comment on what you intend on discussing. Read the whole article based on what the company hopes to share from their research and then maybe share or respond about the topic at hand or not....

There are actually parts that specifically mention consoles and communication and MMO games tho which makes the research extremely relevant to either topic.


EDIT:
-Text chat in gaming is also "ancient technology" due to other viable forms of communication especially when another platform already has an established network, social, video, voice chat that EVEN includes text chat.

KrisButtar

Coming here after seeing the Blog post, I figured there would be a topic like this. Surprised Smurf posted it though. I think more options are always better. I find the radical wheel lacking options and not that its a bad option to have...Mainly for PvP but also with looking for help with places on the map like Dolmens, Bosses and whatnot. I'll try it but why couldn't we customize are bubbles instead of only choosing pre-made options, seems very limited.

If I discover a Dolmen while playing solo I must leave and travel back to town post a bubble above my head "want to group" but when I do I find they want to do dungeons and I want the dolmen so we disband or I resort to yelling in the mic in the town centre? Are those the only ways to solve that problem because I don't remember the group tool being able to help with anything other than dungeons

NewBlacksmurf

KrisButtar wrote: »

Coming here after seeing the Blog post, I figured there would be a topic like this. Surprised Smurf posted it though. I think more options are always better. I find the radical wheel lacking options and not that its a bad option to have...Mainly for PvP but also with looking for help with places on the map like Dolmens, Bosses and whatnot. I'll try it but why couldn't we customize are bubbles instead of only choosing pre-made options, seems very limited.

If I discover a Dolmen while playing solo I must leave and travel back to town post a bubble above my head "want to group" but when I do I find they want to do dungeons and I want the dolmen so we disband or I resort to yelling in the mic in the town centre? Are those the only ways to solve that problem because I don't remember the group tool being able to help with anything other than dungeons

nice feedback.....yeah it surprised many but I'm not anti-PS4 I'm just pro-Xbox One

I have to agree that a Dolmen grouping tool option would be good but for now there is the zone grouping tool option non-specific to quests, dolmen, etc.
*BUT* my only concern is would ZOS interpret this idea of KrisButtar's to result in:

-Option-
1. Dolmen <zone name>
2. editing the zone option to questing <zone name>

so this replaces the <zone name> only option in place of the two (however KrisButtar) wants this....I'm just rolling on the idea.

Vulsahdaal

Please delete..

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

You'll notice even large companies like IGN began doing video articles vs written text.

You'll notice that while starting to do video articles they still do text articles along with those videos, for people who want that option.

just as TESO for PC still has text chat for the game release in 2014 but for the 2015console versions, the voice chat is the direction its taking.

The console market is ever-changing.
Specific to Xbox 360 vs Xbox one changes
-own internal social network where a Facebook like theme is present that allows friends and followers to post video, screenshots, create videos, video commentary, stream video gameplay, but where text is limited to a finite amount of characters.

-The included DVR, video adds, video streaming marketing and sharing of such within the network which none was available on the xbox 360

-The xbox 360 has a first party chat-pad that was later developed and released but with the xbox one, no such product is available. There is a third party product but even from thousands of suggestions and votes to add this, it was never done.

-smart phones, cars and consoles games are now video centered. Even the cable boxes, or support help sites for many electronic companies are videos on a sub stick or video files on their support website.

The world is changing in a different direction for communication.
While companies realize they will need to market to different communities, you will continue to see more and more aggressive change.

My parents fought the internet, smart phones and tablets for years. Now each has all three.

The companies I work for (large Insurance company, PGA and NFL) are now video centric vs written text.
Look at your email adds, they have links to send you to pages to see commercials vs written articles.

The world around us is moving ahead...keyboards are soon to be a think of the past.

You're comparing technology as a whole to text chat in a video game.
Your whole argument is invalid anyway because while tech is growing an changing, all that communication tech for the most part still has text chat in some form, these days we use phones more for txting eachother, leaving messages on social media, sending emails and things like that then we do for actually making calls.

The Xbox One didn't get a keypad, you're right, you know what it did get?
Smartglass, so you among other things you could use your phone or tablet as a keyboard, same deal with the ps4.

When watching streamers, we still written text.
When commenting on youtube videos we still use written text.
When commenting on social media we use written text.


All these things don't use text because they are ancient relics of technology still gripping on from the past like you like to imply for some reason.
They use written text because its simple and it works.
Even the article you posted showed things that text primarily have grown more then voice based communication.

keep reading... This thread is actually about the radial pre-set text emote and a few others want to focus on text chat only not being in the console version. That isn't what this is about but as I continue to say...comment as you please. I'm sharing relevant information about this topic and that article, tho old addresses consoles, among other devices and trends around communication and even references MMO games

In this thread, I'd prefer you not try to pull out anything without reading the whole article and after doing so, go ahead and comment on what you intend on discussing. Read the whole article based on what the company hopes to share from their research and then maybe share or respond about the topic at hand or not....

LOL...of course you make an excuse. How am I not surprised... That chart alone, that's FIVE years old, counters your points.

Classic.

NewBlacksmurf

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

Vulsahdaal

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

traigusb14_ESO2

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

It is in the end of the quote. looks like you cut out a /quote tag

Vulsahdaal

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-Selling items Guild Stores

Well first issue is to find a guild but to be honest I am in a few guilds on pc, but majority of my sales are through zone chat. I suspect this is because I deal mainly in motifs and some potions, things my fellow guild members have no use for..this is why I am wondering how to sell outside the guild as I normally do..

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

or (if you so choose, talk to people or use the radial chat prompt, or send a console msg to the user or send a screenshot msg with what you're offering to trade)

Well, talking wont be much option for me.. The problem is as I mentioned I am female and my main character is male, so I dont think Im going to able to pull that one off and really rather not have to hear the not so nice comments I would get if I even tried..I imagine it could possibly be worse for someone in the reverse situation, but still..
Anyway, to your other suggestions.. I know how to do a console message to a user, but first shouldnt that user know Im selling something and contact me? Then I can use messaging to make the deal.. My question is, how do I get the word out that Im selling?
For example on pc I would just type in zone chat-- WTS High Elf motif 200g, then they contact me and we go from there..
How is zone advertising (if you would call it that) done in this system?

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

looking for guilds= http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/guild-recruitment

OK, so what they did is just add a button or something that takes us directly to a page with guild recruitment adverts? Then once a guild is selected are we just returned to game so we can request admission? Its a little slower than the usual way of just sending a whisper to the guy currently advertising his guild in the zone chat, but I guess its do-able..

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

-looking for items = please elaborate

WTB...Main items I look for is research items, or perhaps a missing piece of a matched armor set, and sometimes I do look for mats as well.. I find that research items are near impossible to find in a guild store, but usually rather easy to find in zone chat.. just wondering how this will be done as well..

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

asking for help with a boss, dolmen, etc. = use proximity chat, or when you encounter another player, interact and play together

Sorry, Im not getting this either? If there was anyone in my proximity or another player to encounter nearby then I probably would not need to ask zone for help, I dont believe anyway.. The only time I would call for help is when there is nobody around that I can see..

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

My personal experience in console BETA was that people are usually open to helping and playing with others.

This is my experience in pc also, but if they dont know you need help then they cant help you is my concern.. but once the word is out, I find people come in from all directions to help

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

There are always exceptions but here is the BIG thing.

On consoles, friends lists and outside game party chat etc is already set up so in many cases, you would want to introduce yourself into a few circles of people.

When i play games I rarely have problems playing or finding others to play with, usually the issues is that you have too many people playing doing different things so you just jump in and do things together. I help you, swap to an alt and you help me, etc. etc

People Im friends with on xbox have no interest in eso.. but thats ok, Im not looking for people to play the game with.. Im more of a solo type pve'r.. Im just wondering how they will enable us to do the above things I mention.. I thank you for explanation on finding guilds, but Im still not really understanding how the rest is done?

NewBlacksmurf

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

I blame my iPhone. I can see it on PC...


After reading over your comments, to me, it seems you're just not comfortable with a different way of doing things do to what you're either familiar with or more comfortable with.

I don't think you asked many questions so I'll only respond to what you asked below:

Q-how do you get the word out that you're selling?
A-think outside of the box. PC has text zone chat and linking abilities so ppl use that on PC. Consoles won't have this so let's use what's available.

-voice, emotes, invite to trade, schedule in-game events using the forums and console networks to establish meeting places and times for others to come trade. Then it's no secrete why ppl are there. You can't advertise trades on the forums but you can advertise in-game events designed for trading.

The WTS stuff, to give my personal opinion, is why I keep zone chat off in towns. Only the ppl who want that are looking for it. Ppl who want to trade will be looking for key indicators as well

Q- did they add something....
A- the guild recruiting forums have existed since pre-launch. A console specific page will be added so expect a ps4 and an Xbox one page. Inviting ppl into a guild on console is as simple as sharing your GT. guild leaders can take it from there.

Q-How do I look for items...?
A- See the suggestions above for trading and also there are guild stores

Q-how do I solicitor help..?
A- On Xbox you could ask friends, play with ppl as they pass along vs being solo just stay grouped and ask for help as needed. This is primarily what we did during beta but I do this on PC too so it's the same.

Again...I don't use zone chat to advertise or solicite, the first weeks of the PC I intentionally built a network of 100 or so contacts. From there and with guilds, I was never in a situation where I would be SOL

Q-Ppl your friends with on XBO have no interest in TESO...?
A- Take time to meet new friends here and there is a growing post under TESO in the Xbox forums too

*Peek into the closed console beta forum as there are ppl there who threw their names out

I'm still getting friend alerts from April as well as adding ppl weekly

Vulsahdaal

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

I blame my iPhone. I can see it on PC...


After reading over your comments, to me, it seems you're just not comfortable with a different way of doing things do to what you're either familiar with or more comfortable with.

Actually, I dont think thats true.. It just seems to me the problem is not that your telling me a different way to do the things I do, but rather saying (in a polite and indirect sort of way) that I will not be able to do them anymore... unless I am still missing something, voice chats (which is not suitable to me in this particular game for reasons mentioned) and emotes are not a 'different way' of doing zone advertisements, in fact other than rp (which I dont usually engage in) Im not sure what these are good for? Not to mention unsolicited 'invite to trade' is something I would not do, and would not be happy if people started doing to me.
You give good explanations on how to find friends to play with, but unfortunately Im not looking for this. As mentioned Im just a solo pve'r who mainly crafts and likes to find/sell stuff, but sometimes wants to go out and kill some things And every once in a while I want to kill something that is much bigger than me, so I would like to ask for help, but when its dead I just want to shake hands, say thanks to those who help, than go on my way alone again..But this is my playstyle..
The image you give me of console eso is its different in that there will be very little socializing with those one does not already know and that trade and/or guildplay here will be just a small and almost unnoticeable part of the game..That the real game is for a very small group of close friends to be running around together questing, killing things, doing dungeons etc then they can run to town with whatever loot they grabbed, sell to nearest merchant, then run back out to kill some more things..
Not saying this is a bad thing, in fact it sounds kinda like the 'Skyrim Online' that many were looking for in the beginning and were disappointed the pc version was not..it could work out well then..
Im not sure my playstyle can adjust to it though, however I will still give it a try anyway and I thank you for taking the time to answer questions, it did help me get a better idea of what this is about..

NewBlacksmurf

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@Vulsahdaal Your comment doesn't appear

It appears on my screen that is strange.. Ill try it again and thanks..

I blame my iPhone. I can see it on PC...


After reading over your comments, to me, it seems you're just not comfortable with a different way of doing things do to what you're either familiar with or more comfortable with.

Actually, I dont think thats true.. It just seems to me the problem is not that your telling me a different way to do the things I do, but rather saying (in a polite and indirect sort of way) that I will not be able to do them anymore... unless I am still missing something, voice chats (which is not suitable to me in this particular game for reasons mentioned) and emotes are not a 'different way' of doing zone advertisements, in fact other than rp (which I dont usually engage in) Im not sure what these are good for? Not to mention unsolicited 'invite to trade' is something I would not do, and would not be happy if people started doing to me.
You give good explanations on how to find friends to play with, but unfortunately Im not looking for this. As mentioned Im just a solo pve'r who mainly crafts and likes to find/sell stuff, but sometimes wants to go out and kill some things And every once in a while I want to kill something that is much bigger than me, so I would like to ask for help, but when its dead I just want to shake hands, say thanks to those who help, than go on my way alone again..But this is my playstyle..
The image you give me of console eso is its different in that there will be very little socializing with those one does not already know and that trade and/or guildplay here will be just a small and almost unnoticeable part of the game..That the real game is for a very small group of close friends to be running around together questing, killing things, doing dungeons etc then they can run to town with whatever loot they grabbed, sell to nearest merchant, then run back out to kill some more things..
Not saying this is a bad thing, in fact it sounds kinda like the 'Skyrim Online' that many were looking for in the beginning and were disappointed the pc version was not..it could work out well then..
Im not sure my playstyle can adjust to it though, however I will still give it a try anyway and I thank you for taking the time to answer questions, it did help me get a better idea of what this is about..

Yeah, trying to be polite and offer suggestions...

Best wishes as the game by intent and design is not going to mimic PC behaviors.