Console Quick chat article - link inside

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

"Would you like to trade" - seriously?

Without knowing what that person wanted to trade, would I ever take that offer? Probably not.

I see tons of problems with a clunky, non-specific chat system in a game as complex as ESO. Only being able to say 22 things, and only having easy access to 8 of those phrases at a time, would make me feel stupid. I even had a flashback to this passage from "Gulliver's Travels", describing a project to simplify communication in a way that would obviously not work:

The other project was, a scheme for entirely abolishing all words whatsoever; and this was urged as a great advantage in point of health, as well as brevity. For it is plain, that every word we speak is, in some degree, a diminution of our lunge by corrosion, and, consequently, contributes to the shortening of our lives. An expedient was therefore offered, “that since words are only names for things, it would be more convenient for all men to carry about them such things as were necessary to express a particular business they are to discourse on.”

People might just give up on communication and run around like Yahoos (yes, that's another reference to the same book), fighting everything that moves and collecting shiny stones for themselves.

The text chat wheel really looks to initiate conversation
No diff than what ppl do on PC the opportunity still exists for them to add the possibilities to link an item in the radial chat.

Give them time

They had a year.
And yet they replaced what already existed and worked fine in the game, with this.22 canned text phrases selected from a radial dial. Let me guess, emotes go on the same dial too?

Sigh.

NewBlacksmurf

SMH.....
This again....

nastuug

lsneakl

At least they have quick chat bubble for grouping and things like that. I doubt I will ever be in game chat so it will be nice to have something to communicate but would rather have had subtitles or disappearing chat box with only the quick chat options at least. With the nice shiny graphics having chat boxes all over the city will kill it possibly but we will see.

lsneakl

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Those phrases offer no help to pvp at all.

I'm prepared to go in with an open mind, but I really really can't see pvp working without faction wide chat.p

They could do something with a chat wheel whereby you quickly select mine, keep etc, then it's name from a list (there aren't that many names in Cyrodiil) then under siege, then by which faction etc. Maybe having pvp chat channels available that a group can create, but also invite people from other groups.

This would stop chat abuse and allow various groups to all coordinate together.

Only way voice chat works for PVP if the clan is big enough is through a chat system like MAG from PS3 where only squad leaders could talk to anyone outside the small squad of 4-6 people.

Uberkull

Ojustaboo wrote: »

Those phrases offer no help to pvp at all.

I'm prepared to go in with an open mind, but I eally really can't see pvp working without faction wide chat.p

They could do something with a chat wheel whereby you quickly select mine, keep etc, then it's name from a list (there aren't that many names in Cyrodiil) then under siege, then by which faction etc. Maybe having pvp chat channels available that a group can create, but also invite people from other groups.
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NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

SMH.....
This again....

Lmao. You just described this pathetic chat wheel concept with that picture.

NewBlacksmurf

Text chat to me.....I'm glad it won't be there

nastuug

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Text chat to me.....I'm glad it won't be there

Ahh, dat Chuck Norris general chat. lol

NewBlacksmurf

And then ppl for some reason want this for trading vs. a guild store....

NewBlacksmurf

And finally if ZOS listened to the PC crowd on how the console version should look....

NewBlacksmurf

But here is what console players are hoping for....which is why I support the differences from PC

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

But here is what console players are hoping for....which is why I support the differences from PC

I can make my PC screen look exactly like this, what exactly are you 'hoping' for?

And as cute as all your screenshots were, this one has a minimized / faded text chat. Yet you seem to think it's going to be up all the time.

By the way, Barrens chat was very entertaining. And when it wasn't, minimize.

Vorlon

EverQuest Online on the Playstation 2 had chats.
Pretty much anyone who was actually interested in the game had a keyboard.
Back then I had a wired USB keyboard with a 6' usb extension, now you can buy a cheap wireless keyboard for the price I paid for the kb and extension.

EverQuest Online Adventures lasted over 10 years with only one expansion and that came out within the first year.

A lot of players would log on just to chat with friends. My Wife and I made a bunch of friends in that game and a few we still talk to every so often.

Voice chat on Xbox live is so irritating, people screaming, complaining, heavy breathing, singing, talking smack and just plain trying to annoy everyone they could makes most people not even use it unless they are with real life friends and I have not made a friend on Xbox live in over a year since no one talks anymore.

Community is what makes a MMO last....even if chat is often filled with Chuck Norris jokes lol

Vorlon

EverQuest Online on the PS2 also had quick chats...many many of them.
You could make you own also so we all had many specific quick texts for each character.
Pulling %2 do NOT damage until I have it into position...
Rooting %2 please don't damage..........Hail %2 good day my friend...etc etc
where %2 would be replaced with the name of the mob/target,
ex Pulling Lady Vox please do NOT damage until I have it into position.

NewBlacksmurf

Folks...give the console community a chance as well.
It's different, it's nothing like PC but it resonates with those who enjoy the different communities.

Everything isn't for everyone...thank goodness this games has different flavor a by platform

Uberkull

Vorlon wrote: »

EverQuest Online on the Playstation 2 had chats.
Pretty much anyone who was actually interested in the game had a keyboard.
Back then I had a wired USB keyboard with a 6' usb extension, now you can buy a cheap wireless keyboard for the price I paid for the kb and extension.

EverQuest Online Adventures lasted over 10 years with only one expansion and that came out within the first year.

A lot of players would log on just to chat with friends. My Wife and I made a bunch of friends in that game and a few we still talk to every so often.

Voice chat on Xbox live is so irritating, people screaming, complaining, heavy breathing, singing, talking smack and just plain trying to annoy everyone they could makes most people not even use it unless they are with real life friends and I have not made a friend on Xbox live in over a year since no one talks anymore.

Community is what makes a MMO last....even if chat is often filled with Chuck Norris jokes lol

Every point in this post sums up the core point of the need for text chat. You nailed history of a MMO that had keyboard support, chat with friends without the need for voice, and finally...community in a MMO. Text chat brings life to a MMO, it's a constant stream of chatter that lets me see life in the game. And I don't have to feel the need to say a flippin thing on voice.

Well done sir, well done.

Attorneyatlawl

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And then ppl for some reason want this for trading vs. a guild store....

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And finally if ZOS listened to the PC crowd on how the console version should look....

Do you even play ESO? You have made quite a number of posts of World of Warcraft that aren't even representative of that game either, and keep trying to argue as though they are Elder Scrolls Online. This is what my screen looks like with over seventy (yes, 70 as in 7-0) addons installed because the default UI is so featureless (not minimalistic, just featureless):


http://i.imgur.com/EsWjDQA.png

I could, if I cared to, make the chat box fade out after 5, 10, or any other number of seconds I decided on of inactivity for an even cleaner screen, but I prefer being able to see things I missed while fighting or AFK a minute without having to pull it up manually, and the minimap can autohide and only show up if I press a key but again, preferences and options are good because what I like, others may not. We all saw how well it worked out removing the default UI stuff on PC (it didn't work, at all)... unfortunately console players won't be able to fix most of it with addons like we can on the PC, with there being new reaches of removing another staple online game feature, the chat box. Options are paramount: one size does not fit all. Stop minimizing the opinions and requests from people who want to play the game how they enjoy rather than just yours.

pecheckler

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And then ppl for some reason want this for trading vs. a guild store....

No. In addition to it.
It is superior for many trading activities. Ya know, live player communication? There are advantages.
And the guild store item listing limit is much too small.

Mirra_Halfelven

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

And finally if ZOS listened to the PC crowd on how the console version should look....

No if they listened it would be more like this ...



As I've said before I've pretty much given up hope for the console release of ESO without even the minor player choices of push to talk, text chat, or some UI improments (buff/debuff icons not hidden, text for status bars, any imput on the amount of damage taken/ going out).

So I'll guess I'll just play it as a solo game (paid my non-refundable transfer before they even announced they removed text chat) & move on. At least I have the new expansion for FF14 to look forward to at the end of June.

Reb

Chat bubbles i can turn off ..fine, if i cant turn them off its worse than no chat at all !!

Isbilen

If you're gonna play it like that, Smurf, here's what the voice chat will be like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r7pnMVNvPE

The funny thing is, you can control how a Text chat is going to look, but 13 year old boys with a Kinect microphone will still be 13 year old boys with a Kinect microphone no matter how you design the voice chat.

NewBlacksmurf

So I take the reactions from those expecting a PC version on console as...

Maldrix

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So I take the reactions from those expecting a PC version on console as...

See you keep saying things along the lines of "This is the console version, so it HAS to be different" or "Its not the pc version, so its better this way".

Buts thats not really true, its not like this is the first mmo on consoles.
Both DCUO and FFXIV are on console, both have text chat windows, and both work well with them, and if you aren't one for chat windows, they can be ignored or disabled.
More options isn't a bad thing, hell even the quickchat menu isn't a bad idea, but totally ignoring text chat is.

Another thing people keep saying is if you don't like that it doesn't have text chat then play it on the pc, but thats not an option for everyone.
I would bet most of the people planning on playing console don't have a great pc which is WHY they are playing on console, and those people shouldn't get a lesser game because they choose to play on console.
Its not something like addon's, which are all user created stuff and the consoles don't have ways to facilitate that sort of thing, just like mods for other games, its text chat, something that is built into the game, and can function on consoles both with a controller or a keyboard, but is just absent, for a reason we don't even know.

Another thing that annoys me is when people try to compare this to things like GTAV, CoD or Destiny.
An mmo that can have potentially hundreds of people talking at once is very different from a lobby of 10-30 people.
The fact that most of the time a lot of people that voice chat in those games aren't great to listen to.

Uberkull

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So I take the reactions from those expecting a PC version on console as...

See you keep saying things along the lines of "This is the console version, so it HAS to be different" or "Its not the pc version, so its better this way".

Buts thats not really true, its not like this is the first mmo on consoles.
Both DCUO and FFXIV are on console, both have text chat windows, and both work well with them, and if you aren't one for chat windows, they can be ignored or disabled.
More options isn't a bad thing, hell even the quickchat menu isn't a bad idea, but totally ignoring text chat is.

Another thing people keep saying is if you don't like that it doesn't have text chat then play it on the pc, but thats not an option for everyone.
I would bet most of the people planning on playing console don't have a great pc which is WHY they are playing on console, and those people shouldn't get a lesser game because they choose to play on console.
Its not something like addon's, which are all user created stuff and the consoles don't have ways to facilitate that sort of thing, just like mods for other games, its text chat, something that is built into the game, and can function on consoles both with a controller or a keyboard, but is just absent, for a reason we don't even know.

Another thing that annoys me is when people try to compare this to things like GTAV, CoD or Destiny.
An mmo that can have potentially hundreds of people talking at once is very different from a lobby of 10-30 people.
The fact that most of the time a lot of people that voice chat in those games aren't great to listen to.

Seriously, don't bother. When he starts posting pictures he's basically turned himself off and resorts to memes.

Here's 14 pages of history on this topic. Sit back with your morning brew and enjoy . It contains multiple bans and deletes! Quite the show!
LINK

NewBlacksmurf

Maldrix wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So I take the reactions from those expecting a PC version on console as...

See you keep saying things along the lines of "This is the console version, so it HAS to be different" or "Its not the pc version, so its better this way".

Buts thats not really true, its not like this is the first mmo on consoles.
Both DCUO and FFXIV are on console, both have text chat windows, and both work well with them, and if you aren't one for chat windows, they can be ignored or disabled.
More options isn't a bad thing, hell even the quickchat menu isn't a bad idea, but totally ignoring text chat is.

Another thing people keep saying is if you don't like that it doesn't have text chat then play it on the pc, but thats not an option for everyone.
I would bet most of the people planning on playing console don't have a great pc which is WHY they are playing on console, and those people shouldn't get a lesser game because they choose to play on console.
Its not something like addon's, which are all user created stuff and the consoles don't have ways to facilitate that sort of thing, just like mods for other games, its text chat, something that is built into the game, and can function on consoles both with a controller or a keyboard, but is just absent, for a reason we don't even know.

Another thing that annoys me is when people try to compare this to things like GTAV, CoD or Destiny.
An mmo that can have potentially hundreds of people talking at once is very different from a lobby of 10-30 people.
The fact that most of the time a lot of people that voice chat in those games aren't great to listen to.

1. It does have to be different which is why it was delayed
2. Text chat windows aren't the only great way to communicate
3. People will always suggest to choose another platform if one platform doesn't offer the experiences you're looking for. The same applies to playing different games
4. No comment on the speculation of what you feel some have vs what reality is
5. Consoles can also support user created add-ins if a developer builds a game as such so that the developer reviews, polished and then submits any such add-in with an update, it's just something many debs choose not to do
6. We know exactly why it's absent and that reason is per ZOS development decisions which has been shared a few times now
7. It may bother you how others compare games but it's also just as bothering to limit a perspective to one persons definition of an MMO


I wanted to respond to your comments.
We all are entitled to our opinions and ZOS allows anyone to make suggestions, provide feedback and discuss things about their game and their direction/decisions.


At some point, this community will need to accept any decisions ZOS has made after any person has given feedback and ZOS responds. In regards to text chat, they have responded in a few ways.

-we hear you and thanks for the feedback
-we decided not to include text chat due to the targeted experiences we hope to provide based on the reality and hardware of each machine
-we don't plan on adding text chat, but we are always open to your feedback
-the current experience console players will have regarding text chat, is this will not be on consoles and we are going to have a radial pre set chat emote available at launch.


I'm not trying to discourage your feedback but for me personally, this post was to share the radial chat update and talk about that. It wasn't to start another topic on the absence of text chat as those threads (many of which are locked) started back in March of this year and have many knowledge base articles around the topic as well as ZOS staff responses and Twitch Live responses


Hopefully my response is well received but I'm also picking my responses carefully and hoping to stay away from the latter which is why I posted the memes and pics

<many are still beating a dead horse>

pecheckler

It's as if Smurf gets off to defending design choices that are the opposite of what the majority of players want. If these forums had the disagree button enabled he would have more disagree reactions then insightful and agree combined.

Heromofo

pecheckler wrote: »

It's as if Smurf gets off to defending design choices that are the opposite of what the majority of players want. If these forums had the disagree button enabled he would have more disagree reactions then insightful and agree combined.

You should not attack him for speaking his mind bud.
I also agree with him here but i am tired of defending it because people can just be stubborn.

You should also take note I am very out spoken both for and against zos designs.

Hence Improving On ESO series.


All i can say is

If your not playing on the consoles srsly stop posting on threads like this.
If you are and did not play the beta then again chill and wait for the release.
The design is brillant and i cannot wait to play.

Heromofo

Plus for some reason people think the chat box is the end of the world and the console versions are doomed before they begin.


Bloody emo

NewBlacksmurf

pecheckler wrote: »

It's as if Smurf gets off to defending design choices that are the opposite of what the majority of players want. If these forums had the disagree button enabled he would have more disagree reactions then insightful and agree combined.

Hi there...I don't think we've met before....

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing. This is why the core design of the last two generations of consoles for Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Ouya, AND EVEN the steam machine are built with voice chat and without any form of typing hardware included in the package. Also consider that while many PC mmo players are use to typing, the world outside tend to struggle with written word communication. Even when playing this on PC, you often see failure to communicate. Specific to this thread we see a lot of failure to communicate via text conversations.

-If there was a disagree button, that indicator has no bearing on the value of anyone's comments. It only has bearing on a personal opinion of another user.

-Even if a majority votes and expression an opinion, that by no means justifies those opinions are the direction that should be followed. <--THAT is the issue that is clouding people's understanding about product design. Its not majority vote

Hardware:
There are third party and first party options to add or connect a way to type but specific to this discussion both Sony and Microsoft has not designed, marketed and chose not to include a keypad or typing hardware in their packages.

There is limited keyboard support in cases but its not nearly a majority as you suggest nor have any of these companies seen a majority expression to have typing supported by default over voice.

Where BSmurf gets off regarding support:
I support companies who aren't afraid to make changes and adjustments even if they go against a perceived audience who may be vocal in suggesting the company doesn't know what they are doing or that the company is headed in the wrong direction. So far Zenimax Online has done a very good job of listening and creating experiences for their targeted audiences. We may not agree but to be honest, we are all still playing so they are doing a lot more right than wrong.

Marketing isn't easy nor is developing games for target markets but what bothers me most is when products are criticized because they don't resemble a previous product created by the company when moving to different platforms or different audiences.

Back on topic:
After reading the article vs. the comments in the thread, what do you think about the addition of the radial pre-set text wheel emotes?

Uberkull

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

In response to your comment:
-The majority of console players...do not want a form of communication that requires typing

O'really? What are you basing that on? You're own little world of a few friends?

You don't remember this poll, which sampled the forum vistors...that play the PC version of ESO...
LINK

The problem with your posts is that you never are open to options, you just spew your opinion and that it. Text Chat should be optional and why you continue to fight this is what pisses people off when reading your replies.

Without going into the marketing BS, the act like you know what ZOS is doing, and the long drawn out posts that go so far off of what you replying to....how about you just answer this.

Why would it be so bad if they included text chat, that you can minimize or turn off, like EVERY other MMO console does in the ESO console release? Simple, why is that option bad?