I can't do it... I can't level anymore. Please remove the Veteran Ranks now instead of waiting.

Amsel_McKay

Iago wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

If you complete the content in each zone you will be max level with no difficulty at all.

After 1.6 during my spring break I completed silver and gold clearing the entire zone before I moved on to the next, I started at VR2 and I ended gold at VR10 (10.7)

That means I have another 4 levels to "grind out"...

did you miss any content?

The group content is the only missed content, because I cant find a group ever level VR 3-10 it seems

Iago

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

If you complete the content in each zone you will be max level with no difficulty at all.

After 1.6 during my spring break I completed silver and gold clearing the entire zone before I moved on to the next, I started at VR2 and I ended gold at VR10 (10.7)

That means I have another 4 levels to "grind out"...

did you miss any content?

The group content is the only missed content, because I cant find a group ever level VR 3-10 it seems

have you tried the solo any of the group content? if you haven't give it a try. most of it has been nerfed to the point you really don't need a group to do it. the only areas that you still need a group for are the dungeons like spindle clutch crypt of hearts and city of ash etc.....

Amsel_McKay

Iago wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Elder_III wrote: »

If you complete the content in each zone you will be max level with no difficulty at all.

After 1.6 during my spring break I completed silver and gold clearing the entire zone before I moved on to the next, I started at VR2 and I ended gold at VR10 (10.7)

That means I have another 4 levels to "grind out"...

did you miss any content?

The group content is the only missed content, because I cant find a group ever level VR 3-10 it seems

have you tried the solo any of the group content? if you haven't give it a try. most of it has been nerfed to the point you really don't need a group to do it. the only areas that you still need a group for are the dungeons like spindle clutch crypt of hearts and city of ash etc.....

This was a NB hybrid build, my templar can do group content my NB cant... I guess I could go back and do them now considering I need to get 4 more levels... I should not have wasted all the PVP experience at low levels

nothing2591

My v10 sorc is stuck with gold done, 4 months ago i would go to upper craglorn and pull 1.5m xp/h and not even complain about it but instead i'll have to wait for spring2016 to arrive so zos can realise that the lvling route is broken.. im not going to spend 10 weeks doing dailies in cyrodill and im not going to pvp with v10 crafted gear. vr removal needs to happen asap and by that i mean like in the next week

ebls_BR

Zheg wrote: »

ebls_BR wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.

Why are people so bad at math and numbers... Just because xp to level up a veteran rank used to be higher does NOT mean that it's easier now that it's only 1 million per level. You used to get 33k (or around there) for killing a world boss, now you get around 5k (some bosses gave my character 900 experience...). Let's round up and say you used to need 5 million to go from v10 to v11, and now you only need 1 million. They lowered it by 1/5th. You used to get 33k killing a world boss, and now you get 5k, that's ~ 1/7th. Math starting to make sense now? Yes, they lowered the xp required to only be one million, but they also lowered the xp you got for rewards by MORE, and the result is that it takes even longer now to level than it used to at launch.

As someone that's gone through multiple vet characters, I can tell you with authority that you used to be able to do all of the dolmens and world bosses in silver or gold and gain about 1.5 veteran levels; doing the same thing right now gives you about 0.20 veteran levels (seriously).

Don't know about that (since I seldom grind). I have 6 VR14 doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold, exactly how I'm leveling the 7th now. And I'm the in the third area (Rivenspire, playing as a EP member) with the level VR what I supposed to have (VR3-VR4). Exactly like my other toons.

From the numbers I know of, it seems like when they converted over to the 1 million xp per rank system they shifted the focus towards quests and reduced the amount of xp you get for completing dolmens, delves, world bosses, and vet dungeons. Someone questing probably won't see a huge impact, but the rest of us that needed those alternatives to stay sane are most definitely noticing them. Unfortunately, finding a good spot with zombies in your veteran zone and grinding those for hours on end remains the best way to gain veteran ranks. I can't for the life of me understand why they don't want people to level up by running veteran dungeons and pvp'ing and would prefer to have us solo quest through the same content that some of us have seen 3 or 4 times.

Explore different solutions, dialogs, play like a RPG with different characters (building them with different histories and psychological profiles), etc. That's why I and many, many other TES fans have more than 1k hours in each of the last 3 TES games (Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim).

Iago

nothing2591 wrote: »

My v10 sorc is stuck with gold done, 4 months ago i would go to upper craglorn and pull 1.5m xp/h and not even complain about it but instead i'll have to wait for spring to arrive so zos can realise that the lvling route is broken.. im not going to spend 10 weeks doing dailies in cyrodill and im not going to pvp with *** v10 crafted gear. vr removal needs to happen asap and by that i mean like in next week

since it is highly unlikely the vet ranks will be removed in the next week I guess you're up the proverbial creek without a paddle. you could start questing again.

Xjcon

Blah blah blah....same old story...everyone before you leveled to Vet 14. Lvl 50 is doable in 2 days. Why cheapen the game like that? Just so you can go up against players in AVA that most likely have more then just levels on you?

While they are being asked to cheapen levels why not lower the cost to get AVA skills so the grind to the better AVA passives are accessible in 1 day.

ElliottXO

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

What would happen? VR14 would become lvl 64? Getting rid of VR14 would really poss a lot of people off. All the gear and power reduced to what? Idk man, I really don't think ZoS could do it without screwing it up.

If they reduce the VR 14 content to level 50 content then nothing is lost. You lose 20% of your stats and so do the mobs. So what?

Iago

you don't help boring the game is going to get if you hit level cap at 50?

SteveCampsOut

Here, you need this more than I do.

Iago

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Here, you need this more than I do.

Cabernet?

ItsGlaive

It'll be looong after June before they go anywhere.

Still though, they could work on this now and (possibly) have it done in time for console launch if they wanted. Let's face it, console players will have to patch on day 1 anyway, so why not patch this in too?

RedTalon

The champ point system ensures there is no end to leveling pretty much if you want all those points vet system or no vet system

Anilahation

You can grind a VR every two hours... idk the complaint.

ItsGlaive

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

You can grind a VR every two hours... idk the complaint.

Not everyone wants to grind, some would rather just get on with end game.

Seraphyel

You are not alone.

We discussed this topic everywhere and since ESOs launch.

VR levels are tedious, yes. They need to get rid of them or bring a bunch of new content to skip those horrible other faction zones.

Suru

Trust me, the champion system is much worse. Veteran levels are not bad. Kill the mobs per your vet level and you get eh most EXP in the game. Stop being so whiny and work a little bit.

ItsGlaive

b_archaonpreeb18_ESO wrote: »

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Wow, deep, probing and insightful. How did you get to be so smart?

The truth is, VR ranks weren't intended during game development, they stuck them in at the last second to artificially lengthen the levelling time to cover up for (at the time) the lack of end game. The story linked to Silver and Gold is flimsy, and that levelling curve is wholly unnecessary at this point.

It's also what drove away a lot of people, an argument could well be made that were it not for VR ranks, we might well still be enjoying a subscription game instead of one filled with trolls.

Mikoto

Suru wrote: »

Trust me, the champion system is much worse. Veteran levels are not bad. Kill the mobs per your vet level and you get eh most EXP in the game. Stop being so whiny and work a little bit.

Champion system doesn't lock content behind it. Many MMOs have the same system or a very similar one and all it does it lengthen progression. You don't have to hit 3600 CP to be able to even think about endgame but you HAVE to hit VR14 to do 'true' endgame.

Uviryth

Iago wrote: »

Right now I have an alt that is VR 4 just a hair under VR 5 I am just about done with greenshase which is the AD's third zone. By the time I finish Gold I will be fairly close to. VR 13 if not higher. I will be VR 14 well before I am done with craglorn so the XP balances out with Vet levels as they currently stand.

True you have to do all content in each area but really its not so bad, would it be nice if there were other just as viable ways to level? Yes, but since silver and gold and pvp are the only leveling options we currently have the best we can do is chillax and enjoy the ride.

Liar Liar pants on fire.
If you do all the content in a zone, whitening everything you get a little more than 3/4 of a VR. Without a lot of grinding you will always be one VR under the level of the current zone.
I´m currently VR6 in Grahtwood (VR7Zone), and I did a fair amount of PvP and even spent a good amount of time grinding Craglorn. And yes, I have all the Achievements for Zone completion.

OnTopic:
Currently I don`t care for ESO anymore. I love PvE and questing, but since I know it will only take me to VR10 instead of 14 I really don`t want to do it.

Iago

Uviryth wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

Right now I have an alt that is VR 4 just a hair under VR 5 I am just about done with greenshase which is the AD's third zone. By the time I finish Gold I will be fairly close to. VR 13 if not higher. I will be VR 14 well before I am done with craglorn so the XP balances out with Vet levels as they currently stand.

True you have to do all content in each area but really its not so bad, would it be nice if there were other just as viable ways to level? Yes, but since silver and gold and pvp are the only leveling options we currently have the best we can do is chillax and enjoy the ride.

Liar Liar pants on fire.
If you do all the content in a zone, whitening everything you get a little more than 3/4 of a VR. Without a lot of grinding you will always be one VR under the level of the current zone.
I´m currently VR6 in Grahtwood (VR7Zone), and I did a fair amount of PvP and even spent a good amount of time grinding Craglorn. And yes, I have all the Achievements for Zone completion.

OnTopic:
Currently I don`t care for ESO anymore. I love PvE and questing, but since I know it will only take me to VR10 instead of 14 I really don`t want to do it.

no grinding needed you just need to stay in zone and do all quests, delves, dolmens and world bosses. If you think I am lying you either a.) have never done all content in each zone to level your vet ranks, b.) oh waitbthere is no b because you obviously don't know what your talking about.

Maotti

WTB Instant VR14 potion.

sadownik

I am vr 3 and i made a huge mistake, made 3 alts besides my main in different factions to get the feel both of faciton and calses. Right now im slowly plowing through the quests that not only werent very intersting ( most of them) in the first place, but im doing them for the second time. I understand the pride of those who have vr 14 ar even multiple ones, just like i understand the pride of a man who won the hot dog eating contest - both activities were absolutly pointless though. With all the nerfs to xp, im slowly but steady falling behind. Not only i still have 11 vr ranks to obtain but i hear some people have well over 150 champion points already. I got 6.

Please ZOS gimme a break with vr ranks i will grind champion points on your fully voiced quests i promise!

JD2013

Xabien wrote: »

b_archaonpreeb18_ESO wrote: »

Man, you sound really desperate. VR levels are ruining your life: They leave the fridge open, flush at inopportune times and dance on your lawn!

/s

If you don't feel like gaining XP, the game is not for you. Bye! Next!

Wow, deep, probing and insightful. How did you get to be so smart?

The truth is, VR ranks weren't intended during game development, they stuck them in at the last second to artificially lengthen the levelling time to cover up for (at the time) the lack of end game. The story linked to Silver and Gold is flimsy, and that levelling curve is wholly unnecessary at this point.

It's also what drove away a lot of people, an argument could well be made that were it not for VR ranks, we might well still be enjoying a subscription game instead of one filled with trolls.

Actually they created them because lots of people threw their toys out of the pram that you weren't going to be able to see all the provinces on one toon.

And now we have the "I want VR14 now with no effort!" Crowd. They can't win.

But seriously, without VR ranks you realise how short this game would be, right? Yes they need new content. Yes we know a lot of people want them removed. There's been many topics on this in the last few days. So now we have another.

And I'll say here exactly what I've said there. Without increased ranks, where is the character development? So everyone stays at level 50 for good? Well that sounds a fine game. Everyone can be level 50 and do everything all the time.

Besides the shortness of the game am i really the only person to see the problems with this?

Uviryth

Iago wrote: »

no grinding needed you just need to stay in zone and do all quests, delves, dolmens and world bosses. If you think I am lying you either a.) have never done all content in each zone to level your vet ranks, b.) oh waitbthere is no b because you obviously don't know what your talking about.

I said

I´m currently VR6 in Grahtwood (VR7Zone), and I did a fair amount of PvP and even spent a good amount of time grinding Craglorn. And yes, I have all the Achievements for Zone completion.

and I mean everything, including all dolmen and all world bosses. I have all the Achievements. That means I know exactly what I am talking about. And if you read the rest of the thread its quite obvious I´m spot on.

Dekkameron

JD2013 wrote: »

Besides the shortness of the game am i really the only person to see the problems with this?

Why would the removal of the mindless VR grind be a problem? New content could easily still have tacked on levels.

I think as soon as you beat up Molag Bal you should be ready for Craglorn.

Raash

I leveled up to rank 12 back when exploits where everywhere, I hated the vet areas then and I bet I would hate it even more now if facing it for the first time since there is not as many shortcuts anymore.
However, I think they should keep the quests in other alliance areas as an optional thing to do for those who enjoy questing solo or togheter in groups but scrap the vet lvls and the one way direction wich makes it mandatory for further progression.. No one needs them really and shouldnt be forced to do all the quests in all alliances.
I would honestly be happy for each and everyone of the newcommers that wouldnt need to go the full snooze-route.

SG_Celerrimus

I regularly level alts and I never have any trouble with veteran ranks, they used to be FAR worse in beta and during launch. I don't see any real rush to get rid of them, you just have to see them as instead of v1 - v14, more like 50 - 64.

Iago

Uviryth wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

no grinding needed you just need to stay in zone and do all quests, delves, dolmens and world bosses. If you think I am lying you either a.) have never done all content in each zone to level your vet ranks, b.) oh waitbthere is no b because you obviously don't know what your talking about.

I said

I´m currently VR6 in Grahtwood (VR7Zone), and I did a fair amount of PvP and even spent a good amount of time grinding Craglorn. And yes, I have all the Achievements for Zone completion.

and I mean everything, including all dolmen and all world bosses. I have all the Achievements. That means I know exactly what I am talking about. And if you read the rest of the thread its quite obvious I´m spot on.

Then I guess the game hates you because I stand by my original statement. My VR4 still isn't through the AD's third area I am almost VR5 and at this rateni will be VR12 or 13 by the time I finish gold and will be VR 14 well before I finish craglorn.

Bottom line you are either missing content because you skipped it or missed it.

Of course you may just be arguing about this knowing I'm right but hoping insisting I am lying. will make the case stronger for the vet rank removal.


So in summation you either don't know what your talking about or you are lying to make your case.

Seraphyel

Dekkameron wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Besides the shortness of the game am i really the only person to see the problems with this?

Why would the removal of the mindless VR grind be a problem? New content could easily still have tacked on levels.

I think as soon as you beat up Molag Bal you should be ready for Craglorn.

Sure but this game has no endcontent. Craglorn is not worth mentioning.

This game has good content from 1-50 but after that there is nothing. That's the issue. Craglorn can entertain you for 2 weeks and then?