Templar Skills Bugged/made useless - IGNORED

Animal_Mother

Is this a documented bug?

Repentance doesn't seem to work with the Focused Healing passive. If I put down a Channeled Focus and then cast Repentance I receive the same amount of healing as I would without first casting Channeled focus. Ditto for standing inside the area of Purifying Light and using Repentance.

Focused Healing is supposed to increase healing from Restoring Light abilities by 30% inside these areas and the area of Rite of Passage.

jnjdun_ESO

I'm so close to giving up on Templar for PvP. I've tried many different ways to play her and none of it is even close to fun or what I would consider competitive compared to the burst and shields of the other classes.

One more try with a stamina build I have in mind and if that's not productive in cyro, then she's shelved and doomed to a sad life of PvE healing. Dark Moons! Don’t let Giggle suffer this fate that is worse than death.

glak

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Focused Charge: This ability has a GCD that locks you out of any action for 1-2 seconds after each use. We are aware this is happening, and are working on a fix.
• Eclipse: After a successful spell reflect, you are unable to use any abilities for a few seconds. We are aware this is happening, and are working on a fix.
• Solar Barrage: This ability grants empower, but does not apply to AoEs. It turns out that the bonus damage wasn’t applying to itself, and we’re currently testing a fix for this.
• Sun Fire and Solar Flare: The travel speed of these projectiles is noticeably slower than other casted-projectile spells (such as Crystal Frags). We plan on increasing the travel speed for these projectiles in a future update.
• Breath of Life: This ability appears to have a consistent delay after activation. We plan on increasing the cast time for this ability in a future update.
• Puncturing Strikes: We’re seeing reports that this ability is giving a 4 second CC immunity to every target it hits, regardless if they are hit by the knockback. We’re currently investigating to see if this is a bug or working as intended, and will let you know when we have an answer.

No fixes this patch (2.0.7).

What fixes are lined up for May's patches?

Rhakon

so much problems, so sparsley communication.

some updates here and then would be nice!

likewow777

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I know you guys are busy, but can we get an update on the other fixes listed in your post? Breath of Life, Sun Fire, Puncturing Strikes, and Solar Barrage?

Also, it seems that while there is less chance Focused Charge will result in the animation bug, that bug is still present. More so in Cyrodiil, but there nonetheless. This is something that still needs addressing.

In addition, can we get some sort of change to Focused Charge's animation itself? The problem is that, while visually spectacular, charging to an enemy and landing above them inherently requires your character to drop back to the ground. During that animation, we cannot do anything else, resulting in what feels like a still-existent GCD. Given the choice, I'd take something with less flash and more usefulness. Please consider changing the animation itself, or at least speeding parts of it up (the drop-down to the ground part).

likewow777

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Is this a documented bug?

Repentance doesn't seem to work with the Focused Healing passive. If I put down a Channeled Focus and then cast Repentance I receive the same amount of healing as I would without first casting Channeled focus. Ditto for standing inside the area of Purifying Light and using Repentance.

Focused Healing is supposed to increase healing from Restoring Light abilities by 30% inside these areas and the area of Rite of Passage.

Huh, this was such a disappointing development, and because I'm working from home, I had to boot up ESO and check for myself.

You're right, standing in Extended Ritual or Channeled Focus does not give you any healing bonus to Repentance.

The Focused Healing passive is pretty clear that any Restoring Light heals should be increased by 30%. Why is Repentance not included in this? FTC and CLS both report the exact same thing.

I'll note that I am using morphed versions of the skills listed in the passive, and I think @Animal_Mother is as well. If anyone has tried with unmorphed versions of Rune Focus, Cleansing Ritual, or Rite of Passage, what are the results? I've got a low level Templar and I'm going to try and get the needed skills tonight and test.

@ZOS_GinaBruno : Is this intended behavior? If so, why? If not, it needs to be added to the, constantly growing, bug list.

Animal_Mother

likewow777 wrote: »

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Is this a documented bug?

Repentance doesn't seem to work with the Focused Healing passive. If I put down a Channeled Focus and then cast Repentance I receive the same amount of healing as I would without first casting Channeled focus. Ditto for standing inside the area of Purifying Light and using Repentance.

Focused Healing is supposed to increase healing from Restoring Light abilities by 30% inside these areas and the area of Rite of Passage.

Huh, this was such a disappointing development, and because I'm working from home, I had to boot up ESO and check for myself.

You're right, standing in Extended Ritual or Channeled Focus does not give you any healing bonus to Repentance.

The Focused Healing passive is pretty clear that any Restoring Light heals should be increased by 30%. Why is Repentance not included in this? FTC and CLS both report the exact same thing.

I'll note that I am using morphed versions of the skills listed in the passive, and I think @Animal_Mother is as well. If anyone has tried with unmorphed versions of Rune Focus, Cleansing Ritual, or Rite of Passage, what are the results? I've got a low level Templar and I'm going to try and get the needed skills tonight and test.

@ZOS_GinaBruno : Is this intended behavior? If so, why? If not, it needs to be added to the, constantly growing, bug list.

You are correct, I am using morphs of the skills involved. I strongly suspect that Repentence isn't working with Mending, either, as it seems to heal me for a fixed amount regardless of my current health - to explore further, I was going to respec and compare heals before and after adding the passives. However, I dont think I'll get any playtime until Thursday.

Selberhad

TazerReloaded wrote: »

Got stuck in animation three times today before i switched back to Shield Charge, seems to happen when there is lag while charging.
It's definitely a Templar exclusive bug, because I never ever had this problem with one of the other charge abilities.
And I'm speaking about the animation being stuck for about FIFTEEN SECONDS straight, so neither other abilities nor normal attacks can be used, resulting in almost CERTAIN DEATH.
The global cooldown seems better now, but the spell is still completely unusable.

This is definitely still a problem. It might be happening somewhat less now, but happens often enough that it's not worth the multiple deaths per hour that are basically guaranteed if you use this spell. It happens with both the unmorphed and morphed versions of the Focused Charge ability.

Rhakon

So many ideas or solutions here.

and there

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/112276/templar-update ( 3 staffposts)

attention is really sloping over for us templars...

so few answers and communication.

May a developer could join the templar community to discuss PvE and PvP solutions.
There is more todo then a few fixes.

greets

AriBoh

Sorry I've been locked out of the main forums since the console beta went up.

Standing in Extended Ritual or Channeled Focus does not give you any healing bonus to Repentance added to the main post.

@ZOS_GinaBruno another thing for you to investigate if you would

Father

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

Mephiston87

Father wrote: »

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

yes, there's a 300+ player poll on who is the weakest class, templars got %53. That's an absolute steam roll.

AriBoh

Father wrote: »

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

No templars are still viable, you just have to put more effort into getting there than say a sorc and it requires more than a net-decked set up to succeed. As long as you are having fun with the templar level it up.

Selberhad

Father wrote: »

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

I love templars for solo grinding, and they hold their own as healers, but if you want to do anything else I wouldn't bother with them right now.

likewow777

Father wrote: »

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

Just to be clear, yes and no. It depends on what you play. There are two pretty recent polls that you would probably be interested in. Both have over 100 votes.

PvE:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166199/weakest-class-in-pve

PvP:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166110/weakest-class-in-pvp

Basically, Templars are one of the top 2 classes in PvE, DKs being the other. In PvP, they are the worst class. I don't PvP, but I can say that for PvE, that poll is spot on.

A bit of advice for your upcoming VR1 Templar. Think about what kind of build you want, then get armor and weapons to enhance it. Great builds can do anything. The class you choose simply changes how it gets done. In the end, like @darkknightfkb16_ESO said, have fun. That's the whole point anyway

Animal_Mother

Father wrote: »

Ouch..I've been following this thread and reading every comment here..and suddenly I felt like there's no point in lvling my new lowbie templar even when he's close to hit vr1

Are templars that bad??

Not at all.

bump

nagarjunna

Yet another week and still no fixes...

publicradioheadub17_ESO

The list of bugged/broken/bad grows... any relief insight?

Animal_Mother

publicradioheadub17_ESO wrote: »

The list of bugged/broken/bad grows... any relief insight?

No comment from ZOS in a long time.

publicradioheadub17_ESO

No patch means no fixes.

AriBoh

A quick update on toppling charge.

ZOS_GaryA
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Jaxsun wrote: »
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@ZOS_GaryA

Why is there a global cool down on Toppling Charge?


Best answer we can give at the moment: We can confirm there is a post global cooldown on the ability, but we don't readily have an answer as to why it has one and Shield Charge does not. We're always open to feedback on abilities, and we'll be happy to forward this along to the appropriate folks. We know it's a non-answer, but we also didn't want you to think we'd ignored it intentionally.

On the good news front, we believe that the root cause has been discovered for the Toppling Charge bug and a new fix is headed to QA for verification tomorrow. Assuming everything goes well, it'll be included in an incremental patch soon. Thanks so much for the feedback, it was a huge help!

nagarjunna

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

On the good news front, we believe that the root cause has been discovered for the Toppling Charge bug and a new fix is headed to QA for verification tomorrow. Assuming everything goes well, it'll be included in an incremental patch soon. Thanks so much for the feedback, it was a huge help!

So still no timeline/eta... my takeaway from that is some time in July!

Nuts!

Saft

Yeah, its depressing, i see staff from zenimax here really try listen to us. Say they are adressing our concerns with broken skills and weakness in PVP.

But nothing happens, they are probably bussy with console or whatever, i really like pvp, and solo pvp to that, but its very very hard as templar with jedi sorcs bolting around, and counterstrike nbs almost 1 shotting.

Soulshine

Probably already posted this but I am adding it in again since it is still not fixed either -- restrostaff/destrostaff desync from target ever since patch 1.6. They spent time fooling around with animations on staves which I don't think anyone asked be changed, and they intorduced this bug. We got a patch note saying it was fixed but it was not. It still happens on a regular basis and is a constant pain the rear to deal with when you get it since it directly impacts DPS/heal output. Please for the love of mercy add this to the list and properly test it out.

SlayerTheDragon

Just finished downloading GTA V... you know, as a time filler until these issues are ironed out

AriBoh

Keeping the dream alive.

glak

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Keeping the dream alive.

Much appreciated. Happy to see that ZOS is internally questioning the massive plethora of global cool downs in Templar abilities.

david.haypreub18_ESO

Saft wrote: »

Yeah, its depressing, i see staff from zenimax here really try listen to us. Say they are adressing our concerns with broken skills and weakness in PVP.

But nothing happens, they are probably bussy with console or whatever, i really like pvp, and solo pvp to that, but its very very hard as templar with jedi sorcs bolting around, and counterstrike nbs almost 1 shotting.

There has been a change in recent weeks. The constant outcry from Templars eventually got the PR staff here like Gary and Gina to finally mention the issues, and that seems to have had some effect on the actual designers of the game (they tried to fix Toppling Charge and Eclipse). It seems like the designers though either don't have the time or the inclination to do more right now; Templar fixes do not seem to be much of a priority for them. I actually feel badly for the PR people, because they have to mediate between the utter and justified frustration of the players, on the one hand, and the lamentable indifference of the designers on the other.

glak

Imagine the general concensus in console comms that rolling a Templar is a noob mistake.

"I'm loving this sun worshipping class!"
"Save yourself and us a ton of trouble before getting in too deep. Roll something else. Templar has been the forgotten red headed stepchild of the GCD realm of Oblivion since the first PC launch."

Saft

glak wrote: »

Imagine the general concensus in console comms that rolling a Templar is a noob mistake.

"I'm loving this sun worshipping class!"
"Save yourself and us a ton of trouble before getting in too deep. Roll something else. Templar has been the forgotten red headed stepchild of the GCD realm of Oblivion since the first PC launch."

I was one of those! haha before ESO went out, i decided yea! Healer or holy warrior thats me!

It has been a long road of disapointements, and when we get somewhat boost, for some weird reason zenimax nerf us to ground again.

Like our Blazing shield was really good a while, now it is just ..... CRAP
Jabs WTF reduce dmg AND put Hard CC on it for a 0.5 sec stun and KB LOL? But DK can AE ROOT with no CC.
And they heavily nerfed our healing, and a ninja nerf with the animation delay to BoL. Unintentional they say, suuure. THats like when resto staff passive was adding to our class skills. And tooltip clearly said it, it was out for 1 year. But all suddenly it was a MISTAKE, so now resto staff don't buff our class heals like pre 1.6. Tho i agree we was alot stronger healers then others before, they could just say it plain out, we nerf your heals intentinally. Not by ninja animation nerfs and pretending tooltips been wrong since game launch.

Zenimax nerf us over and over and we start from a very bad position. This needs to stop.