Templar Skills Bugged/made useless - IGNORED

nagarjunna

WOuld be nice if they actually detailed what was fixed... I abhor the ninja fixes they put in place.

G0ku

Try using the unmorphed version of the templar charge, works fine for me... got stuck one time with the unmorphed version in 12 hours of gameplay...

Atreust

From today's patch notes:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Focused Charge: Fixed an issue where you couldn’t activate other abilities for a short time after using Focused Charge or its morphs. We also fixed an issue where the effects from this ability would get stuck on you.
Dawn’s Wrath
Eclipse: Fixed an issue where this ability would trigger your global cooldowns every time it reflected another ability.

It's a start at least.

Silver77s

Atreust wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Focused Charge: Fixed an issue where you couldn’t activate other abilities for a short time after using Focused Charge or its morphs. We also fixed an issue where the effects from this ability would get stuck on you.
Dawn’s Wrath
Eclipse: Fixed an issue where this ability would trigger your global cooldowns every time it reflected another ability.

It's a start at least.

It's more than a start, I'd say. It's a shame it took so long for Focused Charge to be patched, but both of the bugs that were fixed made those skills absolutely useless. While the other proposed changes are necessary and welcome, none of them have had the same impact on our performance as these two.

Thanks, ZOS, for the fixes!

Avezack

Silver77s wrote: »

Atreust wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Templar
Aedric Spear
Focused Charge: Fixed an issue where you couldn’t activate other abilities for a short time after using Focused Charge or its morphs. We also fixed an issue where the effects from this ability would get stuck on you.
Dawn’s Wrath
Eclipse: Fixed an issue where this ability would trigger your global cooldowns every time it reflected another ability.

It's a start at least.

It's more than a start, I'd say. It's a shame it took so long for Focused Charge to be patched, but both of the bugs that were fixed made those skills absolutely useless. While the other proposed changes are necessary and welcome, none of them have had the same impact on our performance as these two.

Thanks, ZOS, for the fixes!

Thx!!!!!!!!!!!!

Atreust

Silver77s wrote: »

It's more than a start, I'd say. It's a shame it took so long for Focused Charge to be patched, but both of the bugs that were fixed made those skills absolutely useless. While the other proposed changes are necessary and welcome, none of them have had the same impact on our performance as these two.

Thanks, ZOS, for the fixes!

Definitely true, I appreciate them getting these two issues fixed for us. I just hope they continue this new trend of not neglecting Templars

Cinbri

My patch will be only tomorrow to actually test those fixes. Hope it really working now.

technohic

Traveling for work again this week so hope to hear how others find the fixes and whether they are working now or not.

likewow777

Seeing as this is the thread that got the promises made for fixes, can people post their updates here on if those included in 2.0.6 work or not?

danno8

Unfortunately the "no longer get the effects stuck on you" part of the charge fix still happens, but they did mostly fix the GCD on the charge. In that the GCD is very short and consistently the same without varying in length.

The fix to eclipse is working too, and I have had no problems with it. Which is good news for Cyrodiil especially with all the Sorcerers there now.

likewow777

Interesting. The early consensus seems to be mixed. Some people report Charge is still bugged, others report that it's fixed:

Fixed:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166401/templar-toppeling-charge-2-0-6#latest

Bugged:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166376/templar-fixes#latest

It's still early, though. I am glad to hear that Eclipse is working.

TequilaFire

Well like I said in that post I haven't tried it in PvP or even under any PvE lag conditions which may contribute as to why some may have had some problems still.

Arkadius

likewow777 wrote: »

Interesting. The early consensus seems to be mixed. Some people report Charge is still bugged, others report that it's fixed:

Fixed:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166401/templar-toppeling-charge-2-0-6#latest

Bugged:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166376/templar-fixes#latest
[...]

I haven't tested it myself yet. But if only one user still experiences this bug, it can't be really fixed, obviously. Even though it might be 'better' now.

likewow777

Xiana wrote: »

likewow777 wrote: »

Interesting. The early consensus seems to be mixed. Some people report Charge is still bugged, others report that it's fixed:

Fixed:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166401/templar-toppeling-charge-2-0-6#latest

Bugged:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166376/templar-fixes#latest
[...]

I haven't tested it myself yet. But if only one user still experiences this bug, it can't be really fixed, obviously. Even though it might be 'better' now.

I've tested both Focused Charged and Eclipse in PvE, no PvP yet, and I've yet to experience any issues.

Focused Charged seems smoother, somehow, which is nice. The GCD either is gone or is incredibly short. I haven't used it in a long time, about a year, so I don't know if it always did this, but I like that doing a Charge and then popping Blazing Shield will animation cancel BS. I'm going to keep testing and then see if the morphs also work properly.

Eclipse works now. It's just the base skill, haven't tested morphs, but casting it doesn't affect my skill bars. Awesome! Now I need to level it up as fast as I can

Edit: The more I use Focused Charge, the more the phrase "Now that's more like it" comes to mind. I don't think it's fully there, though. When using it rapidly, some of the animations seem to struggle, or there's a delay before it registers. That said, I'm chaining like 4-5 of these in a row, which isn't how I'd normally use it anyway. Overall, a great improvement.

Still haven't gotten the animation stuck bug.

mwsacto_ESO

Explosive charge stuck me in animation. 3x tonight. Not fixed for me.

Dredlord

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno, any chance of an update on fixes?

Sure! We do actually have a few Templar fixes tentatively going into Monday's patch. The first is for Focused Charge and not being able to use other abilities for a few seconds after casting that ability, and also the FX getting stuck on you. We're also trying to get the fix for Eclipse triggering your GCD each time it reflected another ability. We're still waiting for verification that these are fixed and good to go for 2.0.6, but things are looking good so far.

I would like to provide you with some verification that toppling charge is not fixed. Things are not looking good so far...

It bugged out for within 15 minutes of logging on and playing in cyrodil after the patch.

The delay after using the skill and reaching the target is still present and seems longer than it was yesterday.

I use this skill daily in my pvp build. This patched changed nothing in it's behavior at all for me. Was anything even patched with this skill. I know this has happened in the past.

hammayolettuce

Radiant Destruction also goes through mist form unmitigated which is a bug too...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w9Z0lJuCPo

Suntzu1414

a believe the above video was posted in another thread.

....

I've tested Total Dark (Elipse Morp).
There still appears to be GCD...


Kill Well
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Cinbri

Didn't test charge but Total Dark now works fine at least for me. However there is ninja nerf of reflecting projectiles in 1.6 - if you see projectile and cast eclipse on caster, projectile won't be reflected and will hit you. Only those projectiles will be reflected, that casted after caster was eclipsed (due to new mechanic of immediately reflect after hiting dark sphere instead of flying to target and then back to caster). Anyway i believe skill will be usefull in cyro. Will see about charge.

AriBoh

Focused charge seems to be without the cooldown, there is a slight delay due to the animation but its a massive improvement and eclipse is working like a charm.

Alcast

Cinbri wrote: »

Didn't test charge but Total Dark now works fine at least for me. However there is ninja nerf of reflecting projectiles in 1.6 - if you see projectile and cast eclipse on caster, projectile won't be reflected and will hit you. Only those projectiles will be reflected, that casted after caster was eclipsed (due to new mechanic of immediately reflect after hiting dark sphere instead of flying to target and then back to caster). Anyway i believe skill will be usefull in cyro. Will see about charge.

Not sure if it is the lag that causes it that the skill is not reflected. But I noticed that too, When you cast it too late it still will hit you, but I am not sure if its bc of the lag or bc ZOS nerfed/broke the reflecting skills.

BugCollector

The Dawn's Wrath tree passives are so underwhelming...

Cinbri

Alcast wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Didn't test charge but Total Dark now works fine at least for me. However there is ninja nerf of reflecting projectiles in 1.6 - if you see projectile and cast eclipse on caster, projectile won't be reflected and will hit you. Only those projectiles will be reflected, that casted after caster was eclipsed (due to new mechanic of immediately reflect after hiting dark sphere instead of flying to target and then back to caster). Anyway i believe skill will be usefull in cyro. Will see about charge.

Not sure if it is the lag that causes it that the skill is not reflected. But I noticed that too, When you cast it too late it still will hit you, but I am not sure if its bc of the lag or bc ZOS nerfed/broke the reflecting skills.

I believe it is intended change. Worked same since pts. I mean before 1.6 it looks unreasonable - projectile flew to you despite dark sphere round caster, now projectile hits sphere and return immediately.

Arezius

Templar

Aedric Spear
Focused Charge: Fixed an issue where you couldn’t activate other abilities for a short time after using Focused Charge or its morphs. We also fixed an issue where the effects from this ability would get stuck on you.
Dawn’s Wrath
Eclipse: Fixed an issue where this ability would trigger your global cooldowns every time it reflected another ability.

I'll be testing it all day and the days after that, but right now : /dance

Thank you for these first fixes, we can only hope for more, but if Focused Charge actually stop bugging all day then it will already be great, we could stop depending on a stamina based charge that costs my life many time, AND stop dying when we tried to use Focused Charge for some silly reasons and got stucked in the animation ^^'

It has been bugged for so long...

Keep up the good work !

pkb16_ESO2

I was so happy about the changes.... Finally something happening for temps (apart from nerfs)
then second charge...stuck in animation.
cmon thats hard ZOS.
I even think the GCD didnt change at all.
Really? so long waiting and then ...

Saft

Focused charge after Patch v2.06
Toppling Cardge IV still (after Patch v2.0.6) randomly get me stuck in animation for roughly 10-15 seconds. It happened on first use against sorc in pvp. after that worked 30 times in a row. So unsure if fixed yet.
There still seem to be a global cool down associated with the skill. DId't that young pvp developer wrobel something say it was gonna be fixed in some ESO Live episode?

Remove global cool down from the skill (feels like roughly 0,5-0.75 seconds) please, It feels weird being studded with my own skill having to wait before use another skill. If you cannot fix it, revamp skill, because in current state Its almost useless.

Shielded Assault from 1h+S does not apply a global Cooldown, and apart from that skill give a ward + little less dmg. It does not apply global cool down. I see not why Templar Gap closer should have one, when i don't have one on 1h+S line.

1: So Either, Nerf Shield charge add same global cooldown as templar skill have (So its same for all classes not just templar skills)
2: Remove the global cool down from Focused charge and its morphs
3: Redo skill completly

Arezius

Yes, Toppling Charge is still bugged, got stuck in the animation... false hopes are the worst...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Cinbri wrote: »

Didn't test charge but Total Dark now works fine at least for me. However there is ninja nerf of reflecting projectiles in 1.6 - if you see projectile and cast eclipse on caster, projectile won't be reflected and will hit you. Only those projectiles will be reflected, that casted after caster was eclipsed (due to new mechanic of immediately reflect after hiting dark sphere instead of flying to target and then back to caster). Anyway i believe skill will be usefull in cyro. Will see about charge.

Wow. I was wondering about this. I hear a lot of DKs complaining their scales don't work anymore - even though it only reflects four times now.

So if a slow moving projectile is in the air and you cast scales (or eclipse) it will still hit you?????? This is a HUGE change to gameplay mechanics. Why the hell is stuff like this silent. Changing game mechanics that have a huge impact on the game without notifying us is borderline cruel.

AriBoh

Guys..... getting stuck in the animation isn't a templar specific problem but a bug with charges in general, what most of us were bitchin about was the 2 second cooldown AFTER you hit with focused charge and that's what the fix was for.

Cinbri

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Didn't test charge but Total Dark now works fine at least for me. However there is ninja nerf of reflecting projectiles in 1.6 - if you see projectile and cast eclipse on caster, projectile won't be reflected and will hit you. Only those projectiles will be reflected, that casted after caster was eclipsed (due to new mechanic of immediately reflect after hiting dark sphere instead of flying to target and then back to caster). Anyway i believe skill will be usefull in cyro. Will see about charge.

Wow. I was wondering about this. I hear a lot of DKs complaining their scales don't work anymore - even though it only reflects four times now.

So if a slow moving projectile is in the air and you cast scales (or eclipse) it will still hit you?????? This is a HUGE change to gameplay mechanics. Why the hell is stuff like this silent. Changing game mechanics that have a huge impact on the game without notifying us is borderline cruel.

No, wings can reflect mid-fly projectiles. However eclipse-scales mechanic was changed=now if you cast eclipse on dk and he cast scales vs projectiles, you will see reflect of proj. however it won't deal damage to caster nor to dk.
And about charge - there is still gcd rooted to animation. In the end of charge templar is jumping so until you will land on your feet you won't be able to do anything. Plus seems to prevent stacking zos enabled your skillbar while charging, it made charge more responsive and more effective now to chase sorcs, however it didn't helped against stucking, and yes i stucked in 3rd cast and only pots helped.