Rise of the planet of the Sorcs

Sile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Pixysticks

FENGRUSH

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Pixysticks

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Not sure why it's that big, other than maybe the empower buff is being consumed by the shield? Or else on the PTR it calculates in the 33% for you, so his shield would be about 8.5k + 20% from empower, than +33% effectiveness?

I have over 35k magicka and my hardened is only 9k (+33%) in Cyrodiil on live servers ; How he got 14k(+33%) + I don't really understand.

Tankqull

frozywozy wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I fought a sorc today who agreed to test a build on purpose.

I am 1800 spell damage.

I was doing medium weaving destro fire attacks with Molten Armaments Molten whip + Engulfing Flame + Unstable Flame + Talons + Obsidian Shard.

He standed still just refreshing Hardened Ward / Healing Ward / Harness Magicka for 2minutes.

He had 18k hps, 26k magicka, 16k stamina wearing warlock / seducer with other ressource management perks.
His health never dropped under 100%.

This is where shield stacking becomes a problem. When you can get both high ressources management and defense at the same time. It should be one or the other. Ressources management should give you moderate but stable defense over time but you should never be able to resist a burst of damage without kitting it.

take any magica user against someone with harness magica and the shield user will never drop under 100% its not a problem with shield stacking but magica attacks beeing unable to penetrait harness magica.

Ok so if I got your point, everybody should slot harness magicka to deny 100% magicka builds out there ? fair enough.

no i´m just saying it does not need anything wich is provided by the sorc to do so - wich you implied in your post. every magica build is equaly fu..ed by harness compleatly excluding everything else from the equation.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Pixysticks wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Not sure why it's that big, other than maybe the empower buff is being consumed by the shield? Or else on the PTR it calculates in the 33% for you, so his shield would be about 8.5k + 20% from empower, than +33% effectiveness?

I have over 35k magicka and my hardened is only 9k (+33%) in Cyrodiil on live servers ; How he got 14k(+33%) + I don't really understand.

Probably 50 points into the bastion CP passive.

Juraigr

Derra wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

I´ve wrote this somewhere before:

Templar and DK shields scale with health most likely to make it vaible for either stamina or tank builds the class supports by its design idea.Templars and DKs also have an instant combat heal to their disposal and in case of the DK also a hardcounter to all ranged attacks.
Sorc stamina builds are nowhere near the level of templars which a weaker than DK stam builds and NBs outperform the latter by quite a bit. The class is designed to be a magica based class (the changes to morphs actually reflect that as the sta morphs sorc got are rather pathetic).
There is simply no reason for the sorc class shield to be health based bc there is no underlying playstyle this would support. Sorc has no vaible stamina builds and is a crappy tank. All a health based shield would accomplish is a dmg or survivability nerf of the class - both is not needed atm when stamina builds do not have to make the same choice.

I would not want to bring the class on the level of magica based DKs and templars. They´re in dire need of help.

You can make almost anything viable!

Well ok - you can make it somehow vaible. It just won´t reach the effectiveness of other classes with a similar build.

Bull.derra.my mag dk is still op as if I'm in 1.5

Maulkin

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

I found what the issue is. It's a tooltip issue. Will make a video soon

Pixysticks

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Not sure why it's that big, other than maybe the empower buff is being consumed by the shield? Or else on the PTR it calculates in the 33% for you, so his shield would be about 8.5k + 20% from empower, than +33% effectiveness?

I have over 35k magicka and my hardened is only 9k (+33%) in Cyrodiil on live servers ; How he got 14k(+33%) + I don't really understand.

Probably 50 points into the bastion CP passive.

Bastion doesn't increase your tooltip, but since this video is on the PTR it's possible they made champion point nodes increase your tooltips or something.

Maulkin

Okay here goes.

The issue is that for a limited amount of time AFTER you cast the shield, the tooltip shows the TOTAL value of the current shield (base+33%) as the base value. However casting the shield does not actually grant you any more.

In my video I have 9.6k base. When I cast the shield I get a total of 12.7k as you can see by the add-on. When I open the tooltip immediatelly afterwards it shows, for a limited amount of time, the 12.7k value as base. That is making you think that you'll get 12.7k + 33%, but obviously when I cast the shield I still get 12.7k Total.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejsgiAiAGqw


That said, I have no idea how he is getting a 14k shield in cyrodiil to begin with. With 30k max magicka and 20 CPS into Bastion I get 10.6k total. 14k is still completely out of reach with 40 CPs into Bastion and 35k magicka. So there's something else that's fishy too.

Nice attempt to misdirect though with a tooltip bug, I like it

ToRelax

Pixysticks wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Not sure why it's that big, other than maybe the empower buff is being consumed by the shield? Or else on the PTR it calculates in the 33% for you, so his shield would be about 8.5k + 20% from empower, than +33% effectiveness?

I have over 35k magicka and my hardened is only 9k (+33%) in Cyrodiil on live servers ; How he got 14k(+33%) + I don't really understand.

Probably 50 points into the bastion CP passive.

Bastion doesn't increase your tooltip, but since this video is on the PTR it's possible they made champion point nodes increase your tooltips or something.

Bastion is increasing your tooltip.

And thank you Maulkin .

Galalin

Has anyone else noticed grps of 6-12 sorcs running around and group make ups of close to 50% sorcs in cyrodiil? And the fact everyone and thier dog either has or is lvling one to play? Does this tell you anything?

Not even going to make anymore comments because with the sorc population going as it is... soon ZoS will nerf them into the ground... which is not good for anyone. But defend away... the inevitable is coming.

DK SCRUB OUT

Sile

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Okay here goes.

The issue is that for a limited amount of time AFTER you cast the shield, the tooltip shows the TOTAL value of the current shield (base+33%) as the base value. However casting the shield does not actually grant you any more.

In my video I have 9.6k base. When I cast the shield I get a total of 12.7k as you can see by the add-on. When I open the tooltip immediatelly afterwards it shows, for a limited amount of time, the 12.7k value as base. That is making you think that you'll get 12.7k + 33%, but obviously when I cast the shield I still get 12.7k Total.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejsgiAiAGqw


That said, I have no idea how he is getting a 14k shield in cyrodiil to begin with. With 30k max magicka and 20 CPS into Bastion I get 10.6k total. 14k is still completely out of reach with 40 CPs into Bastion and 35k magicka. So there's something else that's fishy too.

Nice attempt to misdirect though with a tooltip bug, I like it

This would make sense that it's including the 33% on my shield tool tip. Even then, 14k is what it displays.

I am away for a week atm, but will try a video without add-ons when I get back.

Try it yourself and see what you get, I'm using a master's destro, destro mastery 5pc, warlock 5pc. Dark Elf racials.

To get 14k after 33%, the base shield will have to be over 10.5k, unless CPs are applied after a shield is cast. If you're at 9.6, 10.5 isn't that much more of a stretch.

Tankqull

Galalin wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed grps of 6-12 sorcs running around and group make ups of close to 50% sorcs in cyrodiil? And the fact everyone and thier dog either has or is lvling one to play? Does this tell you anything?

Not even going to make anymore comments because with the sorc population going as it is... soon ZoS will nerf them into the ground... which is not good for anyone. But defend away... the inevitable is coming.

DK SCRUB OUT

At least on the EU server i see more DKs and NBs than Sorcs. sure there are the same old faces of anoying sorcs that actually are bothersome but thats only ~10 at all everything else is dead in a heartbeat.

Derra

Pixysticks wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Damn big shields.

Not sure why it's that big, other than maybe the empower buff is being consumed by the shield? Or else on the PTR it calculates in the 33% for you, so his shield would be about 8.5k + 20% from empower, than +33% effectiveness?

I have over 35k magicka and my hardened is only 9k (+33%) in Cyrodiil on live servers ; How he got 14k(+33%) + I don't really understand.

14k is the value with 33% included. When you have an active ward on you the tooltip changes to reflect the actual shield value you have.

Edit: Aaand thats what you get for answering before reading all comments :P

Cinnamon_Spider

Galalin wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed grps of 6-12 sorcs running around and group make ups of close to 50% sorcs in cyrodiil? And the fact everyone and thier dog either has or is lvling one to play? Does this tell you anything?

Not even going to make anymore comments because with the sorc population going as it is... soon ZoS will nerf them into the ground... which is not good for anyone. But defend away... the inevitable is coming.

DK SCRUB OUT

You're noticing the Sorc Army/Sorcs R Us. We are just some sorcs that get together to troll rather than joining our normal mixed group through our guilds.
You'd normally see us either way, just not as a group buzzing around you like mosquitoes.

I do know of some people that have decided to level up a sorc alt, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

Galalin

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed grps of 6-12 sorcs running around and group make ups of close to 50% sorcs in cyrodiil? And the fact everyone and thier dog either has or is lvling one to play? Does this tell you anything?

Not even going to make anymore comments because with the sorc population going as it is... soon ZoS will nerf them into the ground... which is not good for anyone. But defend away... the inevitable is coming.

DK SCRUB OUT

You're noticing the Sorc Army/Sorcs R Us. We are just some sorcs that get together to troll rather than joining our normal mixed group through our guilds.
You'd normally see us either way, just not as a group buzzing around you like mosquitoes.

I do know of some people that have decided to level up a sorc alt, but they are the exception rather than the rule.

I know you and a few others have played sorcs for a long time... through good and bad. This really wasn't directed towards the few of you that did... just speaking in general. It would definitely not be fair to lump you in with all the new sorcs.

DK SCRUB OUT

pppontus

Crit charge = the counter to sorcs.

Oh you bolted away far, excellent here take the extra bonus damage. And when they stop bolting to recast shields CC and burst, although most Sorcs die already after 2-3 crit charges

The good ones are harder to kill, but then again, as long as you keep pressure on them constantly they can not even dream about doing damage to you as all their time is spent on defense. Really, there's a counter for everything.. you just gotta look.

Galalin

pppontus wrote: »

Crit charge = the counter to sorcs.

Oh you bolted away far, excellent here take the extra bonus damage. And when they stop bolting to recast shields CC and burst, although most Sorcs die already after 2-3 crit charges

The good ones are harder to kill, but then again, as long as you keep pressure on them constantly they can not even dream about doing damage to you as all their time is spent on defense. Really, there's a counter for everything.. you just gotta look.

Works on scrub sorcs.... and being a scrub DK i would know... this does not work on a good sorc... first off you wont be able to destroy the shileds with a single crit charge... so you attack again say WB now by this time you may or may not have crit charged into mines... the sorcs best time to use overload light attacks... because you cannot avoid them at this close range... at the same time magicka detonation velocious cure etc that they dropped on before you crit rush.... go boom and so do you.... if it was that simple my friend everyone would just crit charge and all sorcs would be obliterated from cyrodiil. A good sorc is extremely hard to kill... a bad one is a freebie... if he is going to Bolt escape his way to death... he is not good.

DK SCRUB OUT

Ifthir_ESO

think of the templars people they need our love

ToRelax

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Okay here goes.

The issue is that for a limited amount of time AFTER you cast the shield, the tooltip shows the TOTAL value of the current shield (base+33%) as the base value. However casting the shield does not actually grant you any more.

In my video I have 9.6k base. When I cast the shield I get a total of 12.7k as you can see by the add-on. When I open the tooltip immediatelly afterwards it shows, for a limited amount of time, the 12.7k value as base. That is making you think that you'll get 12.7k + 33%, but obviously when I cast the shield I still get 12.7k Total.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejsgiAiAGqw


That said, I have no idea how he is getting a 14k shield in cyrodiil to begin with. With 30k max magicka and 20 CPS into Bastion I get 10.6k total. 14k is still completely out of reach with 40 CPs into Bastion and 35k magicka. So there's something else that's fishy too.

Nice attempt to misdirect though with a tooltip bug, I like it

You edited this after my last comment - in short, there's nothing wrong with 14k total shield value, I have 13k with 47 points into Bastion and 31.5k magicka, in Cyrodiil.

FENGRUSH

15k shields op nerf

pppontus

Galalin wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Crit charge = the counter to sorcs.

Oh you bolted away far, excellent here take the extra bonus damage. And when they stop bolting to recast shields CC and burst, although most Sorcs die already after 2-3 crit charges

The good ones are harder to kill, but then again, as long as you keep pressure on them constantly they can not even dream about doing damage to you as all their time is spent on defense. Really, there's a counter for everything.. you just gotta look.

Works on scrub sorcs.... and being a scrub DK i would know... this does not work on a good sorc... first off you wont be able to destroy the shileds with a single crit charge... so you attack again say WB now by this time you may or may not have crit charged into mines... the sorcs best time to use overload light attacks... because you cannot avoid them at this close range... at the same time magicka detonation velocious cure etc that they dropped on before you crit rush.... go boom and so do you.... if it was that simple my friend everyone would just crit charge and all sorcs would be obliterated from cyrodiil. A good sorc is extremely hard to kill... a bad one is a freebie... if he is going to Bolt escape his way to death... he is not good.

DK SCRUB OUT

Don't use wrecking blow. Too slow.

Every other ability the Sorc uses is most likely his death, as soon as they stop streaking you cc and burst kill them.

You have to think, when they cast a shield they don't streak.

Overload , just roll and continue to attack

Cyantific87

Ive had a sorcerer from the beginning straight after beta. The only problem I can see is from the stacking of the shields and against other magicka users, dampen magicka and hardened ward give me a 30k shield. That's too much. Couple that with boundless storm and healing ward makes for an impressive defence.
Putting all that up gives me all the defence I need to start my burst of curse, force pulse(more damage than crushing shock) entropy and frags. After structured entropy, if frags is procced, that's a 35% increased damage from frags plus 20% might of the guild, plus 20% spell power on top of already 2500 spell damage, if I crit, I'm hitting for easily18k frags with CP's in the right place.
That is not OP in my eyes though as its situational and doesn't work 100% of the time.
Also what I would say is you aren't really spamming any skills with this build as you are making use of most of them.
To recap on my post, basically I think the only thing that needs changing is the ability to stack shields, you can't stack movement speeds so you should have the same programming for shields.

PainfulFAFA

FENGRUSH wrote: »

15k shields op nerf

You can UP your damage absorbing shields with champion points if you read them carefully.

FENGRUSH

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

15k shields op nerf

You can UP your damage absorbing shields with champion points if you read them carefully.

16k shields? wow OP nerf

Ezareth

FENGRUSH wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

15k shields op nerf

You can UP your damage absorbing shields with champion points if you read them carefully.

16k shields? wow OP nerf

I'm rolling here @Fengrush stop!

PainfulFAFA

Sile wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYb8gknG2k&feature=youtu.be
Sorcs op pls nerf zos

Look at his stamina....

I feel sorry for the squishy dude but hey thats a sorc glass cannon for ya, a well built and groomed elve.

PainfulFAFA

Sorcs FTW!

Enjoy
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Ezareth

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Sorcs FTW!

Enjoy
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