Rise of the planet of the Sorcs

Ezareth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I bolt escape enough that that wouldn't really impact me but 4 absorbs would be fine by me as long as they could guarantee me it would actually work.

One of the two main bugs in BoL is cause by the presence of multiple balls being active at once. Once the first Ball dissipates, the second one does not become active. I actually like leaving a "trail of balls"...otherwise how will my prey find me?

I think people really need to consider that BoL was already massively nerfed in 1.6 by the fact that heavy attacks (which are magickal projectiles) now always go through BoL.

Me no likey.

First off sometimes you want to stay and fight. Not just bolt, bolt, bolt. The BoL lasting 6" means you only need to refresh it every so, by which time the cost increase effect has passed away. It's important for magicka management.

The BoL works only against spells and it only absorbs, does not reflect. Scales reflects 4 (stupid nerf is stupid) but in 1v1 those reflected projectiles will take your shield(s) down forcing you to spend even more magicka to put them up. Thus if you keep hitting the Scales you're being hugely cost inefficient.

If you could however take the BoL down in 2" with two Crushies, then you're effectively handing a huge advantage to Destro Sorcs in fights as the cost of recasting the BoL is huge. Not to mention you are destroying the Sorcs chances to 1v2-3 effectively.

If they remove the cost increase on Bolt, then sure. Otherwise, it's a no for me

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

Crushing shock/force pulse counting as 3 separate projectile hits and 3 hits in general is it's own issue, especially when The Destro Staff Penetration skill is now the only thing left that offers "bugged" penetration.

Did you also know that against vampires crushing shock/force pulse hits for 50% more on all 3 hits?

So much broken with that ability, no wonder it is the skill of choice for bads and good players alike.

Ezareth

Armitas wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I actually like leaving a "trail of balls"...otherwise how will my prey find me?

Somehow this seems....familiar...

Except those 2 ghosts stealthed up on the wall are about to instagib me with lethal arrow before I can overload that lowbie "cherry" running around by himself.

Maulkin

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

Ezareth

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

You can consistently bug ball of lightning by using light/heavy attack spam from a staff and once you "bug" the BoL all subsequent attacks (including Crushing Shock/Fragments) go through it.

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

In fights with sorcs doing this you're better off not having BoL because your expectation of it working sometime ends up with you dead, especially if like me you block cast while under the "protection" of BoL as that ends up with you out of stamina.

1.6 really hosed BoL and Sorcs in general with all of these bugs. As more and more people catch onto them we're going to be quickly marginalized.

Maulkin

Ezareth wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

You can consistently bug ball of lightning by using light/heavy attack spam from a staff and once you "bug" the BoL all subsequent attacks (including Crushing Shock/Fragments) go through it.

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

In fights with sorcs doing this you're better off not having BoL because your expectation of it working sometime ends up with you dead, especially if like me you block cast while under the "protection" of BoL as that ends up with you out of stamina.

1.6 really hosed BoL and Sorcs in general with all of these bugs. As more and more people catch onto them we're going to be quickly marginalized.

JaJaLuka

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

You can consistently bug ball of lightning by using light/heavy attack spam from a staff and once you "bug" the BoL all subsequent attacks (including Crushing Shock/Fragments) go through it.

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

In fights with sorcs doing this you're better off not having BoL because your expectation of it working sometime ends up with you dead, especially if like me you block cast while under the "protection" of BoL as that ends up with you out of stamina.

1.6 really hosed BoL and Sorcs in general with all of these bugs. As more and more people catch onto them we're going to be quickly marginalized.

I actually have to agree with Ezareth on this one.

I would also hope that ZoS puts more focus on fixing the bugs before they implement any more changes to the overall mechanics of skills again. A lot of their changes have been heavy handed on what feels like short notice and with them have come an increasing amount of exploitable bugs. No matter how bad the intended mechanics are, or how much they disadvantage other players; the bugs are worse and are potentially game breaking at times when they are seen in the extreme.

Xsorus

Ezareth wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

You can consistently bug ball of lightning by using light/heavy attack spam from a staff and once you "bug" the BoL all subsequent attacks (including Crushing Shock/Fragments) go through it.

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

In fights with sorcs doing this you're better off not having BoL because your expectation of it working sometime ends up with you dead, especially if like me you block cast while under the "protection" of BoL as that ends up with you out of stamina.

1.6 really hosed BoL and Sorcs in general with all of these bugs. As more and more people catch onto them we're going to be quickly marginalized.

Yes..I'm sure Sorcs are going to marginalized by Sorcs very soon

Ezareth

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Good destro Sorcs are already ignoring BoL competely by using the existing bugs.

What do you mean?

It occasionally bugs out, yes, but I haven't had a sorc repeatedly and consistently bug out my BoL in any of the fights I've had.

All I know is that attacks right at the second that they BoL do go through. So if you hit a frag right at the second that a sorc ports he'll port and then be hit after the port. In the same way that it works with Wrecking Blow that if the animation starts as you BoL, you can be knocked up in the air after you ported (same with Fear actually).

However, my Defensive Posture protects me against that and that can only happen once every 6" when I renew the BoL.

So I ask again, what do you mean?

You can consistently bug ball of lightning by using light/heavy attack spam from a staff and once you "bug" the BoL all subsequent attacks (including Crushing Shock/Fragments) go through it.

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

In fights with sorcs doing this you're better off not having BoL because your expectation of it working sometime ends up with you dead, especially if like me you block cast while under the "protection" of BoL as that ends up with you out of stamina.

1.6 really hosed BoL and Sorcs in general with all of these bugs. As more and more people catch onto them we're going to be quickly marginalized.

Yes..I'm sure Sorcs are going to marginalized by Sorcs very soon

The grass is always greener.....you're welcome to come on over and see how wrong you are.

Digiman

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Sad thing is zos probably believe the sorcs who say they're not OP.

To the sorcs out there; if you recall the time of dk domination you guys are like that.

9/10 times i die to frag, curse or overload. The good thing is they all hit at the same time. Well to be honest it's not so great for me.

I realise that it must be great for you, but it is bad for the game people will just leave or reroll sorcs. Both are bad for the game.

So basically you were killed with burst procs and an ultimate landing? Secondly the Sorcerer would probably die in two hits without shields.

I do invite you to level a sorcerer and comeback and tell us how easy it really is? Because it isn't, as a sorcerer if I don't have shields and BoL to keep half the attacks from hitting me, I would be torn to shreds.

That's not including skilled players who CC me and then burst me down before I can even break out to reshield.

Ifthir_ESO

whoever said fear is anti sorc skill is dumb

you cant fear 99% of sorcs the are ranging you or streaking through. If you fear them they cc break and bolt away.

Ezareth

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

whoever said fear is anti sorc skill is dumb

you cant fear 99% of sorcs the are ranging you or streaking through. If you fear them they cc break and bolt away.

The fact that you evidently can't fear 99% of sorcs is your first problem. If it is possible fix the root of that problem and your other problems will go away.

Ifthir_ESO

I can fear them then they cc break and bolt away

ambush spam cant match BE imho

Ezareth

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

ambush spam

And that is your second problem.

Ifthir_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

ambush spam

And that is your second problem.

when is the last time Ezareth died to a fear using nb 1v1

please dont tell me how to play a nb I kill sorcs plenty including you, as I have shown

the good ones a nb has no chance killing 1v1 fear or no fear

cozmon3c_ESO

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

ambush spam

And that is your second problem.

when is the last time Ezareth died to a fear using nb 1v1

please dont tell me how to play a nb I kill sorcs plenty including you, as I have shown

the good ones a nb has no chance killing 1v1 fear or no fear

i die to it when i cant cc break it. keep charge fearing when there cc immunity is down and you will see some good results by the 3rd or 4th one.

Laerwen

Ezareth wrote: »

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

Nothing against you personally, In fact I respect you as a fellow sorc but...

Using an OP ability to completely shut down ranged magic is no less of an exploit than sorcs who manage to get under your BOL. The ability should be removed. It does nothing but prop up bad sorcs, and you might just find out youve picked up some extremely bad habits god forbid it is ever taken away from you. (Block casting, neglecting wards etc.)

Teargrants

Laerwen wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

Nothing against you personally, In fact I respect you as a fellow sorc but...

Using an OP ability to completely shut down ranged magic is no less of an exploit than sorcs who manage to get under your BOL. The ability should be removed. It does nothing but prop up bad sorcs, and you might just find out youve picked up some extremely bad habits god forbid it is ever taken away from you. (Block casting, neglecting wards etc.)

Using an ability in the game to do what it's tooltip says is an exploit???

FENGRUSH

Teargrants wrote: »

Laerwen wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I had a nice couple of fights with Germantrocity and he bugged over 90% of my BoL for several minutes. I know of two other sorcs as well who are consistently doing this as well. I've been able to replicate the issue but I'm loathe to used an exploit/bugged mechanic to win fights.

Nothing against you personally, In fact I respect you as a fellow sorc but...

Using an OP ability to completely shut down ranged magic is no less of an exploit than sorcs who manage to get under your BOL. The ability should be removed. It does nothing but prop up bad sorcs, and you might just find out youve picked up some extremely bad habits god forbid it is ever taken away from you. (Block casting, neglecting wards etc.)

Using an ability in the game to do what it's tooltip says is an exploit???

Dont worry I already reported you!

Laerwen

Use whatever word youre comfotable with. Were all "exploiting" Zos inability to balance the game. Perma rolling, blocking, etc. If a sorc gets under your ball of OP, more power to him. That just proves youre being proped up by a passive jesus ball. Just because Zos puts it in the tool tip doesnt mean its balanced.

DezIsDead

im so confused right now, my lil blue balls (get it) are an exploit? Does that go for reflective scales DK's? are they being propped up? what about defensive posture using ppl? are they exploiting and being propped up by HAX

Laerwen

I think its pretty clear Im a streak sorc. There is no hiding my bias, however, I do think wings are over the top. Stance is balanced though, it doesnt completly shut down anyones playstyle.

DezIsDead

Laerwen wrote: »

I think its pretty clear Im a streak sorc. There is no hiding my bias, however, I do think wings are over the top. Stance is balanced though. Its reactive, and counterable.

sorry i was kinda being an a$$. Fair enough that you prefer streak. i did too for the first 9 months of the game. But saying using ball of lightning is a crutch or an exploit is absurd. it also doesn't make or break a play style. yes Ezareth uses it as a fundamental part of his play style. but that doesn't mean without it he wouldn't adjust. you use what the game gives you to build a play style that works for you. yours uses streak, about 70% of sorcs use ball of lightning at the moment. Its not a crutch, just like every DK pre 1.6 running flappity flaps, now only about 50% of them run it and most don't keep it up 24/7. it didn't make or break their play style they simply used what they had. Then adjusted with the game, just as Ezareth or any half decent player would.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

Here's a song for you guys, in E flat

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Laerwen

Abilities that make you completely immune to a players damage output its a bit over the top if you ask me. If we had more slots then maybe they would be more balanced. (Players could switch their bar to deal with your immunity)

Ifthir_ESO

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

i die to it when i cant cc break it. keep charge fearing when there cc immunity is down and you will see some good results by the 3rd or 4th one.

Agreed, when it works, but how much mana can stam NB keep up using gap closer/fear when sorc has 3k magicka regen and BE

DezIsDead

Laerwen wrote: »

Abilities that make you completely immune to a players damage output its a bit over the top if you ask me. If we had more slots then maybe they would be more balanced. (Players could switch their bar to deal with your immunity)

but their not immune. to most of our (sorc) skills yes they are "immune". but there are work arounds to it. They chose to give up the offensive power of streak to get the defensive power of balls. It doesnt make them unkillable, just more difficult to kill. I get where your coming from, one skill negating your entire offensive skill set you have slotted. but you will figure out a work around, i kinda have. its not fool proof but it works.

Ifthir_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

ambush spam

And that is your second problem.

In fairness my reply was poorly worded it should have said ambush/fear but the point remains, few sorcs dying to NB with fear 1v1

Ifthir_ESO

Ezareth wrote: »

The grass is always greener.....you're welcome to come on over and see how wrong you are.

Do you have any other characters or just a sorcerer? I would submit the statement of "Physician heal thyself" if the answer is no.

DezIsDead

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

The grass is always greener.....you're welcome to come on over and see how wrong you are.

Do you have any other characters or just a sorcerer? I would submit the statement of "Physician heal thyself" if the answer is no.

i disagree, when i die to a NB its always to fear, or the ranged morph of your execute. when you see sorcs running around with 15k health chances are they only have 8-10k stam. thats like 1 maybe 2 cc breaks before things get hairy. when i die to a nb im either getting ganked, feared, or bolting away to stack sheilds and get killed by ranged execute. of course this is just one sorcs experience.

lol quoted wrong quote sorry m8

Laerwen

I have found a work around. Get them between you and their ball, or get them away from the ball. Im not overwhelmed by BOL, or afraid of a BOL sorcs believe me. I kill them fast and often , it is rather annoying though, and it stinks of reflective scales without the reflect.