Rise of the planet of the Sorcs

martinhpb16_ESO

So been a lot of QQ on here recently from sorcs.

Funny how every campaign I tried tonight was infested with invincible sorcs zapping through the air and pwning everything in sight.

Had a lame 3v1 and it was like fighting a Jedi until we were dead and he zapped his merry way like Santa on acid.

Could I have the same nerf on my NB plz that the sorcs have been whining about, its seems to have done them wonders.

AriBoh

Instant shield stacking is the real culprit here, its just that on a sorc one of the shields is based off their dps resource pool so they get a double benefit of offense and defense by stacking magika. This is what needs fixing.

EskimoBrother

Sorcs ftw

Pancake-Tragedy

Nivzruo_ESO

What the OP says is true, sorcs will just wreck ur face all day in pvp.

Pancake-Tragedy

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

What the OP says is true, sorcs will just wreck ur face all day in pvp.

The majority of sorcs that I come across are free kills. What are you people even talking about?

Teargrants

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Cinnamon_Spider

These guys just won't be happy until our only skill line is AP Piñata.

Da Sandman

Honestly I'm just sitting here wondering how people walk..... Anywhere

olsborg

Those sorcs that shieldstack can be a pain to kill, yes, just remove the shieldstacking, diminishing returns or whatever, only 1 shield active at any one time...something like that. (this is true for every class with a class shield + harness/dampen magicka btw.)

Keron

Guys, contrary to what was said so far, the shield stacking thing is neither an exploit nor an L2P issue. It's something that needs to be tuned.

It's also not every sorceror, similar to not every dragonknight who had their 15 minutes of fame before. Some have done everything right, I saw this evening a sorc with 31k worth of shields. Yes that was reported by an add-on, no I don't have a screenshot, no I didn't talk to that guy, bla-di-bla-di-bla.

I don't even know whether that is a high stack or a normal stack or what. I just know that I at least aren't good enough to get through that. Okay, it may be annoying but that's life.

Fact remains that this IS the one outstanding capability sorcs have for the time being. No need to nerf it, let's agree we need to tune it a bit.

martinhpb16_ESO

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

Xsorus

Well according to all the threads I've posted in about sorcs. I have it on good authority that they're not overpowered because all the Sorcs say so, and I should take their word on it.

Lord_Hev

Fix infinite roll dodging and wrecking blow spam builds, then come talk about sorcs shield-stacking k?



Every class has a way to mitigate/absorb damage, and have great survivability. Learn them. Then learn how to counter them.

Xsorus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Fix infinite roll dodging and wrecking blow spam builds, then come talk about sorcs shield-stacking k?



Every class has a way to mitigate/absorb damage, and have great survivability. Learn them. Then learn how to counter them.

lol, how about we nerf the ranged version of wrecking blow, crystal shards and bolt escape.

Pancake-Tragedy

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Fix infinite roll dodging and wrecking blow spam builds, then come talk about sorcs shield-stacking k?



Every class has a way to mitigate/absorb damage, and have great survivability. Learn them. Then learn how to counter them.

lol, how about we nerf the ranged version of wrecking blow, crystal shards and bolt escape.

This is your best sorc-QQ post so far.

Wreuntzylla

Someone please PM me how to 31k shield stack. I play my NB mostly, because 2-3 seconds is all it takes to tear through shields and health pool.

But I'll play sorc again with 31k worth of shields!

Lord_Hev

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Someone please PM me how to 31k shield stack. I play my NB mostly, because 2-3 seconds is all it takes to tear through shields and health pool.

But I'll play sorc again with 31k worth of shields!

Barrier Ultimate from PvP Support skill-line, stacked with Hardened Ward, Harness Magic, and 25k+ magic pool. Bastion from Lord Constellation helps too.

AltusVenifus

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Instant shield stacking is the real culprit here, its just that on a sorc one of the shields is based off their dps resource pool so they get a double benefit of offense and defense by stacking magika. This is what needs fixing.

Its more than shield stacking... its NB burst has been reduced and we don't have a shot in a fair fight with a sorc... even if we burst them down to 1% health... we will lose... but not a problem...

either increase NB burst or nerf sorc... something needs to change

Pancake-Tragedy

AltusVenifus wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Instant shield stacking is the real culprit here, its just that on a sorc one of the shields is based off their dps resource pool so they get a double benefit of offense and defense by stacking magika. This is what needs fixing.

Its more than shield stacking... its NB burst has been reduced and we don't have a shot in a fair fight with a sorc... even if we burst them down to 1% health... we will lose... but not a problem...

either increase NB burst or nerf sorc... something needs to change

Sounds like someone didn't slot their execute.

Germtrocity

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

It definitely sounds like an l2p issue, actually. If everyone was equally skilled, there is no way the sorcerer would have survived.
And you are implying that time played = skill at game. This is not true whatsoever, so that is an invalid statement.

Just my input

And also, please just stop already xsorub, I want to facepalm super hard every time I see you posting.

AltusVenifus

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

What the OP says is true, sorcs will just wreck ur face all day in pvp.

The majority of sorcs that I come across are free kills. What are you people even talking about?

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.[/quot

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

darkknightfkb16_ESO wrote: »

Instant shield stacking is the real culprit here, its just that on a sorc one of the shields is based off their dps resource pool so they get a double benefit of offense and defense by stacking magika. This is what needs fixing.

Its more than shield stacking... its NB burst has been reduced and we don't have a shot in a fair fight with a sorc... even if we burst them down to 1% health... we will lose... but not a problem...

either increase NB burst or nerf sorc... something needs to change

Sounds like someone didn't slot their execute.

Man your a genius. How did u guess. Now I know what I doing wrong. Thanks. Can you teach me some more? Such a newb mistake.

I had 103 kills tonight, I bet I would have had a million with if I could just play like u.

Teargrants

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So, 3 of you not only couldn't kill one person, but you all got killed by that one person. I dunno bruh, sounds like a L2P issue to me. Regardless of class make up, any 3 equally skilled players will kill 1 player in a 3v1. Coming to the forums and complaining that you couldn't 3v1 someone doesn't help your case.

Potatoes gonna potate.

Oh get lost with your l2p crud. I been playin pvp b4 u were born. Read the post, read between the lines, not just the one line, b4 you retort with your cliche non-answer.

I planted this post to get some insight, not noob-sight.

LOL, butt hurt name calling doesn't lend you credibility either dude. Claiming PvP is "infested with invincible sorcs zapping through the air and pwning everything in sight" is just ridiculous hyperbole.

Aquanova

Well my issue with sorc shields is that it scales off their magicka pool. That makes it 1 stop shopping for them. It's basically dump majority of stat points in magicka and you get powerful shields, high spell dmg and a large resource pool all in one without any sacrifice. This game is supposedly all about balance and right now their out of it. I would be happy if ZOS would simply make sorc shields scale with health instead. That seems like a fair trade off to me.

Pancake-Tragedy

Aquanova wrote: »

Well my issue with sorc shields is that it scales off their magicka pool. That makes it 1 stop shopping for them. It's basically dump majority of stat points in magicka and you get powerful shields, high spell dmg and a large resource pool all in one without any sacrifice. This game is supposedly all about balance and right now their out of it. I would be happy if ZOS would simply make sorc shields scale with health instead. That seems like a fair trade off to me.

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

Teargrants

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well my issue with sorc shields is that it scales off their magicka pool. That makes it 1 stop shopping for them. It's basically dump majority of stat points in magicka and you get powerful shields, high spell dmg and a large resource pool all in one without any sacrifice. This game is supposedly all about balance and right now their out of it. I would be happy if ZOS would simply make sorc shields scale with health instead. That seems like a fair trade off to me.

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

Brian Wheeler wrote:

Stone Treb : 17040 vs players

Hehe.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Shield stacking is not a sorcerer issue. No sorc can shield stack without the use of other abilities available to every class. Any DK or templar can have just as many shields up as a sorc at any given time.

Here is an OP shield stack:

Wear whitestrakes gear and use (2H or S&B) and resto - enchant your weapons with hardening. Charge in with shielded assault (or crit rush into brawler) if they burn through all that and your health goes down, whitestrakes will proc, immediately hit dampen magicka then pop barrier then pop a healing ward on top of barrier while your health is still low. Your weapon enchant shields should have proced by then giving you even more shields.

So many shields! Clearly this proves that sorcerer needs to get nerfed!

Yes sorcs have one strong damage shield, but it doesnt stack on itself. When you see a sorcerer with a blue health bar that goes across the screen they are using annulment or dampen and it won't even stop your weapon damage.

This is like saying that sorcs are OP because they use crushing shock and nirnhoned/sharpened/whatever trait is bugged next.

I think the main issue is that people have it in their minds that sorcs are supposed to be glass cannons with decent DPS but they are supposed to disintegrate like wet tissue paper if hit by a strong breeze. If you hit a sorc with a few light attacks and the sorc doesn't immediately explode then its time for another QQ thread.

If you don't like the shield meta, then tell ZOS to incentivize hybrid builds instead of just crying for nerfs. I'd much rather be a stamina sorc than a shield stacking, stick wielding, dress parade but I can't run a hybrid build anymore. I don't have enough resources to hold the attribute numbers in both magicka and stam, and have either of those hit for any decent amount of damage. Expert mage passive was also nerfed so my magicka costs as a stamina sorc are increased as well. Because of the health nerf, 15K of my resources are stolen and i won't get them back until I have about 300 champion points. So i don a dress like every other sorc is forced to.

This is not a sorc issue, its a no hardcaps + 15k less resoruces issue. The same issue is causing perma dodge roll and 15k wreaking blow spam.

But yeah nerfing sorc will fix all that.

Huckdabuck

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Well my issue with sorc shields is that it scales off their magicka pool. That makes it 1 stop shopping for them. It's basically dump majority of stat points in magicka and you get powerful shields, high spell dmg and a large resource pool all in one without any sacrifice. This game is supposedly all about balance and right now their out of it. I would be happy if ZOS would simply make sorc shields scale with health instead. That seems like a fair trade off to me.

Without sacrifice? Hmm, my 17k hp pool suggests otherwise...

+1

FMonk

Every class can shield stack. Every class except Nightblades has a class shield they can stack with annulment/healing ward/barrier. Sorcs have no reliable class self heal, and our only unreliable self heal (crit surge) was massively nerfed. Around 7-8k of that 31k worth of shields that a sorc can have only works against magic damage. Light armor users have no survivability in terms of damage mitigation, blocking, roll dodging, etc. Shields are the only viable way to not get 1-2 shotted by the horde of stamina builds doing 15k+ with one hit.

What's the problem here?

k2blader

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Shield stacking is not a sorcerer issue. No sorc can shield stack without the use of other abilities available to every class. Any DK or templar can have just as many shields up as a sorc at any given time.

Here is an OP shield stack:

Wear whitestrakes gear and use (2H or S&B) and resto - enchant your weapons with hardening. Charge in with shielded assault (or crit rush into brawler) if they burn through all that and your health goes down, whitestrakes will proc, immediately hit dampen magicka then pop barrier then pop a healing ward on top of barrier while your health is still low. Your weapon enchant shields should have proced by then giving you even more shields.

So many shields! Clearly this proves that sorcerer needs to get nerfed!

Yes sorcs have one strong damage shield, but it doesnt stack on itself. When you see a sorcerer with a blue health bar that goes across the screen they are using annulment or dampen and it won't even stop your weapon damage.

This is like saying that sorcs are OP because they use crushing shock and nirnhoned/sharpened/whatever trait is bugged next.

I think the main issue is that people have it in their minds that sorcs are supposed to be glass cannons with decent DPS but they are supposed to disintegrate like wet tissue paper if hit by a strong breeze. If you hit a sorc with a few light attacks and the sorc doesn't immediately explode then its time for another QQ thread.

If you don't like the shield meta, then tell ZOS to incentivize hybrid builds instead of just crying for nerfs. I'd much rather be a stamina sorc than a shield stacking, stick wielding, dress parade but I can't run a hybrid build anymore. I don't have enough resources to hold the attribute numbers in both magicka and stam, and have either of those hit for any decent amount of damage. Expert mage passive was also nerfed so my magicka costs as a stamina sorc are increased as well. Because of the health nerf, 15K of my resources are stolen and i won't get them back until I have about 300 champion points. So i don a dress like every other sorc is forced to.

This is not a sorc issue, its a no hardcaps + 15k less resoruces issue. The same issue is causing perma dodge roll and 15k wreaking blow spam.

But yeah nerfing sorc will fix all that.

You are so one of my favorite posters. :-)

Not directed at you but just a general contemplation: that sorc with the 30k shield stack-- I wonder what else he was doing at the time, besides being proud of his beefy shield-stack, and maybe lol'ing at people saying "WTH that guy has a huuuuge shield-stack, so O-peeee."

Yolokin_Swagonborn

k2blader wrote: »

You are so one of my favorite posters. :-)

Not directed at you but just a general contemplation: that sorc with the 30k shield stack-- I wonder what else he was doing at the time, besides being proud of his beefy shield-stack, and maybe lol'ing at people saying "WTH that guy has a huuuuge shield-stack, so O-peeee."

Running around with a giant shield stack is the ESO equivalent of sticking a cucumber down your pants. It may look impressive from the outside but when its time for action you are going to be disappointed.

That annulment/dampen that really fills out your stack doesn't do jack against all the snipes flying around. But it looks impressive.