Sorcs are OP in PVP and PVE

Bfish22090

Just as the title states, sorcerers are extremely overpowered in PvP and pve right now.

If they changed around a couple skills they would be more in balance with the rest of the classes.

Ball of lightning needs to be nerfed. A sorc with endless magicka can simply run away from EVERY fight
My suggestion would be to halve the radius of the escape from 20m to 10m.

Nerf the class based shield conjured ward. It grants too much of a damage shield and can be stacked with other shields
Maybe cut it back to around a 7k damage shield not a 10k+

Crystal fragments does way too much damage and on top of that it is a stun
I can get crystal frags right now to hit for 20k + with the correct sets and buffs up on a target

Powered overload shouldn't be able to be charged up to 1000 then endlessly spammed for 12k non crit and 20k+ critical hits

These are my suggestions.

I currently run a sorc and a dk at v14 and the sorcerer is a lot better than my dk

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Gorthax

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Just as the title states, sorcerers are extremely overpowered in PvP and pve right now.

If they changed around a couple skills they would be more in balance with the rest of the classes.

Ball of lightning needs to be nerfed. A sorc with endless magicka can simply run away from EVERY fight
My suggestion would be to halve the radius of the escape from 20m to 10m.

Nerf the class based shield conjured ward. It grants too much of a damage shield and can be stacked with other shields
Maybe cut it back to around a 7k damage shield not a 10k+

Crystal fragments does way too much damage and on top of that it is a stun
I can get crystal frags right now to hit for 20k + with the correct sets and buffs up on a target

Powered overload shouldn't be able to be charged up to 1000 then endlessly spammed for 12k non crit and 20k+ critical hits

These are my suggestions.

I currently run a sorc and a dk at v14 and the sorcerer is a lot better than my dk

there I highlighted the MOST important part for you. So to debuff your targets to increase your damage and having well thought out sets to increase your damage means nerf sorcs?! This is all getting out of hand. I guess it is ok to have melee skills doing insane amounts of damage, but how dare a sorc do it. The cookie cutter sorc build is literally so freaking easy to counter that it makes me sad people want sorcs gutted so bad. If only people knew how to play

Keron

Wooohoooo! Now that we have the 103rd thread on this topic, I'm sure everyone will change their opinion and completely agree with the OP and sorceror mechanics will be modified immediately!

kimboh

The only problem I have with Sorcs is overload, it's way too cheap and overload attacks build ultimate making it easy to keep ultimate full all the time and have overload active permanently.
I think this needs to change, either increase the cost of overload or remove the ultimate generation while it is active.

CP5

kimboh wrote: »

The only problem I have with Sorcs is overload, it's way too cheap and overload attacks build ultimate making it easy to keep ultimate full all the time and have overload active permanently.
I think this needs to change, either increase the cost of overload or remove the ultimate generation while it is active.

They changed that iirc before 1.6 went live.

Rook_Master

Overload should be capped at something lower than 1000 and you should definitely not be able to regen ultimate from using Overload light attacks.

NewBlacksmurf

Why would they change a class if people are able to succeed with it. Maybe there are opportunities around something else that may help you. It seems like a specific play style vs another specific play style is better based on how you play but we are all different and mix n match creates different results.

Is there a class that maybe needs more attention vs nerf to another?

kimboh

CP5 wrote: »

kimboh wrote: »

The only problem I have with Sorcs is overload, it's way too cheap and overload attacks build ultimate making it easy to keep ultimate full all the time and have overload active permanently.
I think this needs to change, either increase the cost of overload or remove the ultimate generation while it is active.

They changed that iirc before 1.6 went live.

That's what I thought too, but I changed to an 'overload build' last week to test it and overload attacks do still generate ultimate and I was able to keep overload active permanently

Bfish22090

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Why would they change a class if people are able to succeed with it. Maybe there are opportunities around something else that may help you. It seems like a specific play style vs another specific play style is better based on how you play but we are all different and mix n match creates different results.

Is there a class that maybe needs more attention vs nerf to another?

Before 1.6, sorcerers were on par with other classes,

dido9880ub17_ESO

I think for MMO players there always has to be a class that is OP. Otherwise their minds would implode..

LameoveR

Power Overload Mode:

Stamden

I feel your struggle OP. This forum is a bunch of Sorcs that will defend their class till the end of time, or they just haven't played PvP in the last 6 months.

I rerolled a Sorc yesterday and once I level it up, I guess I'll continue on with them and pretend what I am doing isn't overpowered as hell.

Frawr

Op, post facts not rhetoric.

My conjured ward is about 13K.
- wrecking blow hits for 10k-- 20k
- Ambush hits for 11k
- surprise attack hits for 9k- 11k
- Snipe hits for 8k- 11k

It's perfectly possible that:
- 2 wrecking blows kill me
- 2 snipes with light attacks kill me
- ambush and surprise attack kills me (might take 2 surprise attacks!!)

...and you want to nerf my shield AND my escape.

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glak

There is a reason why the OP is having so much trouble.

The magicka sorc's DPS pool is its primary defense.
The meta dictates that magicka sorcs perform best when they stack as much magicka and light armor as possible, even to ignore spell power and health, and use a magicka-based shield to compensate for squishiness of using all light armor. This increases damage, not quite as much as spell power, but also yields the potential to use magicka spells consecutively without any basic attacks.

Stamina sorcs are UP. Overload does needs a cost increase to compensate for the ultimate generation via overloaded basic attacks. But it's threads like these that Templarize classes.

If we don't stop calling for all sorcs to be nerfed, the Sorcerer class will become peppered with ninja GCDs. No wait..

eliisra

Sorcerer is the worst PvE class in the game. I dont even know what to say about this deluded topic.

Worse class for playing: stamina dps, tank, healer and support. It really doesn't get any poorer, as far as class balance goes. Go check weekly leaderboards, bet you wont find many sorcerers in there.

There's a reasons I find groups for VDSA/DSA, trials and VR dungeons on my NB, DK and templar in a few seconds. While my sorcerer is a ginger stepchild, no one wants

glak

Bfish22090 wrote: »

Nerf the only DPS-scaling shield in the game, conjured ward. It grants too much of a damage shield and can be stacked with other shields
Maybe cut it back to around a 7k damage shield not a 10k+

Fixed that for you.

Simple fix - scale on health. That will fix the meta and thus your entire problem with the class.

olsborg

I play a sorc and most of my offencive abilities are reflectable and dodgeable. Only with careful timing and reactions can I make a good player take my crystal fragment in their face. It SHOULD hit hard. It doesnt even hit too hard...take a look at wrecking blow, now thats TOO hard.

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Bfish22090

I play a sorc as my main, I'm not asking for a Nerf because I have trouble killing sorcs I'm asking for a Nerf for the good of ESO and class balance

Endurance

anything with a shield and a restoration staff is overpowered

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ssewallb14_ESO

The OP is obviously a PvP player, Sorc is NOT OP IN PvE, in fact it's finally so close to being viable as a competitive DPS class. Just like Templar was before some PvP'ers cried about jabs and radiant destruction, placing Templar last once again in the dps race. Do what you want in PvP, just please don't nerf PvE Sorc into the ground because of PvP complaints.

NCML

So it's ok to that a DK can spam dragons blood, but a Sorc can't spam a shield? I disagree. If anything, NB is just underpowered because they have no spammable emergency heal and no shield. The other classes seem to all have the ability to survive, be it reflective scales and dragon blood spam, or while stacking and bolting away. All I see here is someone wanting easy kills at other players expense.

Bfish22090

If were comparing to other classes, the dks damage shield is alot less than the sorcs.

Also templars had an op damage shield for a while until they balanced it

NCML

Bfish22090 wrote: »

If were comparing to other classes, the dks damage shield is alot less than the sorcs.

Also templars had an op damage shield for a while until they balanced it

And if we are comparing classes, how many classes have abilities like dragons blood? Aka: spammable instant health.

xMovingTarget

Nurf sorcs!

Someone had to say it

jluceyub17_ESO

NCML wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

If were comparing to other classes, the dks damage shield is alot less than the sorcs.

Also templars had an op damage shield for a while until they balanced it

And if we are comparing classes, how many classes have abilities like dragons blood? Aka: spammable instant health.

Templars, Sorcs (via Clannfear), so everyone but NB

Zhoyzu

When people complain about BE they are really telling you they dont know how to play the game. If you potato forever just to kill a sorc who is BE-ing thats your own fault.

People act like sorcs are the only class that can shield stack.... Really!?!
Cause its not like you cant stack healing ward annulment/immovable/shuffle and blazing shield/wings/blur/ or cleave/defensive posture/blade cloak. yea thats definitely not happening anywhere but on sorcs.


Im still waiting for someone to come over this topic that posses some logic and a not so narrow view on the matter.

As it stands its a learn to play issue for you.
LEARN TO PLAY

NCML

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

NCML wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

If were comparing to other classes, the dks damage shield is alot less than the sorcs.

Also templars had an op damage shield for a while until they balanced it

And if we are comparing classes, how many classes have abilities like dragons blood? Aka: spammable instant health.

Templars, Sorcs (via Clannfear), so everyone but NB

Sorc via clannfear? I said spammable and instant.

Sphinx2318

Two options i think could work to help balance sorcs:

1. Make all shields scale based off of Health (not a sorc nerf but would affect all classes)

2. Make bolt escape scale off of stamina instead of magicka. The reason i suggest this is not because it makes any real sense but rather that it would force sorcs to spend some skill points somewhere other than magicka.

At the moment, sorcs are very strong ONLY because they are able to put all of their eggs in one basket by stacking all of their resources into their magicka pool. As it stands sorc users are rewarded with survivability, damage and escapability for ONLY stacking their resources into magicka.

The above suggestions would help in forcing sorc users to have more build variety and be less cookie cutter.

skarvika

Sorcs in a nutshell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw

Seriously though, I do agree. My PVP guild leader is a sorc, she intentionally stays away from using abilities that most sorcs are using these days because she doesn't want to be one of "those people." Look at all the people who constantly get accused of hacking on here...they're not hackers, they're sorcs! They shield stack so hard that you can't even hope touch their health, hit you with meteor to knock you down and then hit ya with a crystal frag so deadly that your family line will have ceased to exist as of 3 generations ago. On the off chance that they get zerged, they'll take out as many people as possible by themselves (I've seen sorcs manage to take on 20+ people at once, often killing at least half of them), then bolt halfway across the map and people can't even catch up to them if they try...and how I've tried! I've tried gap closers...doesn't work. I zip up to them, boink, they're almost out of sight again. I've even tried just plain ole chasing them, but of course that doesn't work. Did I mention I have a full speed mount and rapid maneuver? "Don't chase the sorc" has become a bit of a catchphrase in Cyrodiil.
Now sorcs, I know you like being top dog...it's understandable, who wouldn't? But you've gotta admit...there's some serious class imbalance here and that affects the state of the game in a big, negative way.

Psychobunni

OP needs to remove PVE from the thread title as it was obviously only added in to keep thread in general section and not PVP where it belongs, (why don't the mods see this?) and once again if certain skills are that much of a problem in PVP advocate PVP ONLY changes

As far as PVE goes, sure nerf the shields IF YOU BUFF LIGHT ARMOR