Thornblade NA 15 February

Satiar

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

RedTalon

The EP keyboard?

Tripwyr

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Satiar wrote: »

Member of Havoc

lol

Satiar

Tripwyr wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Satiar wrote: »

Member of Havoc

lol

I run with Havoc on occasion, as I'm sure you know, but that was after they rolled EP. Vehemence was around long before that.

Ahhh, now you've got me thinking about DC Zerg days on Bloodthorn. Those were some fights.

Satiar

I have a feeling tides will turn again. Red was once heavily beleaguered, and now enjoy a good bit of prosperity. Things change.

Darnathian

KBKB wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

What is there to worm out of here? I don't think anyone from EP denies they are typically the highest pop in Thorn NA. If anything, AD and DC want people to believe their populations are constantly in the valley range and never in the peak range.

You guys claim a lot of your wins are down to skill, now there is proof from Wheeler that's purely down to numbers, A lot you think this is in AD/DC's heads or it's no where near as bad as it actually is. Refer to Tripwyr's bullet points to see just how out of hand and stupid it has gotten. If you were a semi decent player that enjoyed a challenge you would have rerolled by now. This just highlights the fact how trashy most EP are and the proof is in the pudding, all your back patting, high fives, and leet talk is now worth a whole bucket full of nothing and lols.

You mad bro? Lol

Karamis_Vimardon

Darnathian wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

What is there to worm out of here? I don't think anyone from EP denies they are typically the highest pop in Thorn NA. If anything, AD and DC want people to believe their populations are constantly in the valley range and never in the peak range.

You guys claim a lot of your wins are down to skill, now there is proof from Wheeler that's purely down to numbers, A lot you think this is in AD/DC's heads or it's no where near as bad as it actually is. Refer to Tripwyr's bullet points to see just how out of hand and stupid it has gotten. If you were a semi decent player that enjoyed a challenge you would have rerolled by now. This just highlights the fact how trashy most EP are and the proof is in the pudding, all your back patting, high fives, and leet talk is now worth a whole bucket full of nothing and lols.

Art thou vexed, brethren?

If you're going to troll, at least be a little classy

Eh, the graph only confirms what we all knew. It's a numbers game with most of EP, there are groups which are quite good though (Even if I don't like some of their tactics, it works).

LonePirate

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Exactly! I was EP when we were heavily outnumbered after the first month on Hopesfire. During the first couple of iterations of Thornblade NA, EP was dead last by a mile and was regularly stomped on all day. It's nice to enjoy being top dog for a change, even when the group I run with gets wiped which still happens more often than I would prefer.

Roechacca

LonePirate wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Exactly! I was EP when we were heavily outnumbered after the first month on Hopesfire. During the first couple of iterations of Thornblade NA, EP was dead last by a mile and was regularly stomped on all day. It's nice to enjoy being top dog for a change, even when the group I run with gets wiped which still happens more often than I would prefer.

That must of been real painful for you guys . I'm glad you can bond over that moment . Let the Juggalo healing ceremony commence .

Satiar

roechacca wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Exactly! I was EP when we were heavily outnumbered after the first month on Hopesfire. During the first couple of iterations of Thornblade NA, EP was dead last by a mile and was regularly stomped on all day. It's nice to enjoy being top dog for a change, even when the group I run with gets wiped which still happens more often than I would prefer.

That must of been real painful for you guys . I'm glad you can bond over that moment . Let the Juggalo healing ceremony commence .

I know your feels, man. No one forgets weeks of gatecamping

Roechacca

Satiar wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

My guild stayed Red in the dark days and the good days. It's faction loyalty, though the lack of a good challenge some days is lamented.

Exactly! I was EP when we were heavily outnumbered after the first month on Hopesfire. During the first couple of iterations of Thornblade NA, EP was dead last by a mile and was regularly stomped on all day. It's nice to enjoy being top dog for a change, even when the group I run with gets wiped which still happens more often than I would prefer.

That must of been real painful for you guys . I'm glad you can bond over that moment . Let the Juggalo healing ceremony commence .

I know your feels, man. No one forgets weeks of gatecamping

Well ... When two are done hugging it out , I'll be in Cyrodiil .

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

woodsro wrote: »

Magus wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lag spiked only a few times since the battles were happening all over. Hope that ZoS was paying attention.

Edit: post your screenshots from the day!

I had just posted in another thread that the EP guys that cause 5 fps have been emp farming in Haderus, and that I was wondering how the lag has been in Thornblade since those guys have been in Haderus. Guess that answers that. Pretty crazy how one group can bring the server to its knees.

Yup haderus has been a lag mess the last few days since they showed up. I have also been spending less time in pvp.

There no point playing pvp when such lag happens. I'm always off in the distance hearing bats, and such watching my fps plummet even though I'm 60 meters away, I log. Not wasting my time.

Haderus had some good quality pvp going until they showed up along with EG and their zerg fest has ruined the good thing we had going there, oh well least I got a months worth of lag free pvp out of it.

Maybe those guys should try playing on chillrend.

Oh wait, they don't care about competitive pvp. they just want free AP and emperor passives.

It' splayers like that that make PVP such a mess that everyone should suffer at their expense. Really all that can be done is for players of their own factions to thwart them. The only reason they're having such an easy time farming emp on Had is because alot of people are putting 1.6 through the wringer on PTS. They're all scrubs and idiots.

KBKB

Darnathian wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

What is there to worm out of here? I don't think anyone from EP denies they are typically the highest pop in Thorn NA. If anything, AD and DC want people to believe their populations are constantly in the valley range and never in the peak range.

You guys claim a lot of your wins are down to skill, now there is proof from Wheeler that's purely down to numbers, A lot you think this is in AD/DC's heads or it's no where near as bad as it actually is. Refer to Tripwyr's bullet points to see just how out of hand and stupid it has gotten. If you were a semi decent player that enjoyed a challenge you would have rerolled by now. This just highlights the fact how trashy most EP are and the proof is in the pudding, all your back patting, high fives, and leet talk is now worth a whole bucket full of nothing and lols.

You mad bro? Lol

Rather be mad than bad bro.

Killer808

Tripwyr wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

Yep this graph is very clear:

• EP becomes population locked earlier than both other factions, and exits population lock later than both other factions
• EP has significant activity levels at times when both other factions do not
• EP spends greater than 95% of the time with higher population than AD, and 100% of the time with higher population than DC
• In a few cases EP has had as much as double the population of AD, and frequently doubles the population of DC

QQ more AD!!! It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside

Teargrants

Aside from all the QQ, there's some very interesting info that can be gleaned from the graph (assuming the y-values, player pop, are linear).

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Now, we all know that all 3 factions reach the "1 bar pop" at some point. Judging from red, which has the highest minimum pop, "1 bar" must correspond to roughly 2/5 of "lock pop". This is all speculation, but then one is led to believe:
1 bar = 2/5 lock
2 bar = 3/5 lock
3 bar = 4/5 lock
lock = lock

Rylana

Tripwyr wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

Yep this graph is very clear:

• EP becomes population locked earlier than both other factions, and exits population lock later than both other factions
• EP has significant activity levels at times when both other factions do not
• EP spends greater than 95% of the time with higher population than AD, and 100% of the time with higher population than DC
• In a few cases EP has had as much as double the population of AD, and frequently doubles the population of DC

What I find even more glaring, is that with the exception of DC's short peak time spikes, EPs lowest population times literally are on par or higher with the entire rest of the day for DC.

Meaning, that except for the 2 hour spike in the evening, EP's lowest valley is higher than DC's baseline average.

To check this, draw three horizontal lines across the graph approximating a median (average distance from peak to valley), reds pop never touches blues line, not once outside of that maintenance valley.

Gizit

Yaw'l all cryin'
We was Dolmen and skyshard huntin! during Lock times:

We find the NPC's more of a challenge
Tis all you squares.

Minnesinger

Gizit wrote: »

Yaw'l all cryin'
We was Dolmen and skyshard huntin! during Lock times:

We find the NPC's more of a challenge
Tis all you squares.

Instead of dolmens try not zerging. If you find this game easy and pressing 1 button gives no excitement you can always reroll. Don´t get what you request. EP too eazy....you play DC or AD

Killer808

Rylana wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

Yep this graph is very clear:

• EP becomes population locked earlier than both other factions, and exits population lock later than both other factions
• EP has significant activity levels at times when both other factions do not
• EP spends greater than 95% of the time with higher population than AD, and 100% of the time with higher population than DC
• In a few cases EP has had as much as double the population of AD, and frequently doubles the population of DC

What I find even more glaring, is that with the exception of DC's short peak time spikes, EPs lowest population times literally are on par or higher with the entire rest of the day for DC.

Meaning, that except for the 2 hour spike in the evening, EP's lowest valley is higher than DC's baseline average.

To check this, draw three horizontal lines across the graph approximating a median (average distance from peak to valley), reds pop never touches blues line, not once outside of that maintenance valley.

Roechacca

Gizit wrote: »

Yaw'l all cryin'
We was Dolmen and skyshard huntin! during Lock times:

We find the NPC's more of a challenge
Tis all you squares.

Dreyloch

LonePirate wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

Pretty sure we'd be whooping you good if the pops were all equal, because EP can't handle being outnumbered.

Yeah, you whipped us last night while all three factions were pop locked when EP retrieved the scroll from Glademist. I suppose you will overlook that inconvenient truth as it completely destroys the fairy take you are spinning.

So maybe I should rephrase. If we were pop locked as often and for the same amount of time as EP is everyday. One battle means nothing. We also had to deal with AD on the otherside of the keep before dealing with EP and the lag during that battle. From my view your still wrong because even with us being pop locked at that time, we still had only 1/2 the ppl there that you did. DC guilds like to avoid your lagness, so we get less help in certain spots and battles.

Still goes to show, why does it take your entire faction to be in one spot to take a scroll? Oh yeah, that's right...safety in numbers because of less skill?

Huckdabuck

Ishammael wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

Yep this graph is very clear:

• EP becomes population locked earlier than both other factions, and exits population lock later than both other factions
• EP has significant activity levels at times when both other factions do not
• EP spends greater than 95% of the time with higher population than AD, and 100% of the time with higher population than DC
• In a few cases EP has had as much as double the population of AD, and frequently doubles the population of DC

To add some more:
1. At peak times, DC cannot really sustain the numbers to match EP/AD. Maybe 1-2hrs, tops.
2. At off-peak hours, DC has basically nobody on the map.
3. At off-peak hours, EP has half a lock.
4. At off peak hours, AD has half a lock.
5. After maintenance, EP is back to half a lock within an hour or two.
6. DC population plummets quickly in the evening, peaking at ~8p EST.
7. EP pop locks >40% of time, every day.

Just out of curiosity (since I may have missed it).....is this graph a snap shot of 1 day/1 week/1 month? How recent of a data capture is this information? 1 day old? 1 week old? 1 month old? 2 months old? Do we actually now the population cap? If it's 1000 then yes a EP/AD population of 1000 versus a DC population of 500 would be significant whereas if it's say 500 versus 250 is only insurmountable if there was an EP/AD alliance since this is AvAvA. Without either of those two questions being answered, a few of your added points are just pure speculation. With all of that said...I can see where DC has a legitimate concern over the population on Thorneblade but if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

Roechacca

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Well, we crowned Anon emp at around 11 PST, which as far as I know is normal gaming hours

Most of DC was gone by 8p EST since it was a work night.

Lol. The excuses continue.

Here you go, mate:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:

Awesome post let's see EP worm their way out this one.

Yep this graph is very clear:

• EP becomes population locked earlier than both other factions, and exits population lock later than both other factions
• EP has significant activity levels at times when both other factions do not
• EP spends greater than 95% of the time with higher population than AD, and 100% of the time with higher population than DC
• In a few cases EP has had as much as double the population of AD, and frequently doubles the population of DC

To add some more:
1. At peak times, DC cannot really sustain the numbers to match EP/AD. Maybe 1-2hrs, tops.
2. At off-peak hours, DC has basically nobody on the map.
3. At off-peak hours, EP has half a lock.
4. At off peak hours, AD has half a lock.
5. After maintenance, EP is back to half a lock within an hour or two.
6. DC population plummets quickly in the evening, peaking at ~8p EST.
7. EP pop locks >40% of time, every day.

Just out of curiosity (since I may have missed it).....is this graph a snap shot of 1 day/1 week/1 month? How recent of a data capture is this information? 1 day old? 1 week old? 1 month old? 2 months old? Do we actually now the population cap? If it's 1000 then yes a EP/AD population of 1000 versus a DC population of 500 would be significant whereas if it's say 500 versus 250 is only insurmountable if there was an EP/AD alliance since this is AvAvA. Without either of those two questions being answered, a few of your added points are just pure speculation. With all of that said...I can see where DC has a legitimate concern over the population on Thorneblade but if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

It's Thornblade NA over a weeks time

EskimoBrother

Huckdabuck wrote: »

if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

Ummm what? EP consistently has more pop than AD on that graph, the *** are you looking at???? And yes, the solution to Dc's pop problems are to bring all the PvE lords from chillrend so they can help us win. Brilliant! Are all EP this stupid or just most of them?

Huckdabuck

Dreyloch wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

Pretty sure we'd be whooping you good if the pops were all equal, because EP can't handle being outnumbered.

Yeah, you whipped us last night while all three factions were pop locked when EP retrieved the scroll from Glademist. I suppose you will overlook that inconvenient truth as it completely destroys the fairy take you are spinning.

So maybe I should rephrase. If we were pop locked as often and for the same amount of time as EP is everyday. One battle means nothing. We also had to deal with AD on the otherside of the keep before dealing with EP and the lag during that battle. From my view your still wrong because even with us being pop locked at that time, we still had only 1/2 the ppl there that you did. DC guilds like to avoid your lagness, so we get less help in certain spots and battles.

Still goes to show, why does it take your entire faction to be in one spot to take a scroll? Oh yeah, that's right...safety in numbers because of less skill?

Ummmm we must haz our scroll.....duh! If you take it be prepared to fend off all EP on the server at the time. No skills....just brute force to get back what is ours. If you want skills...go do some organized guild versus guild open field fighting. If you don't want to do that....just go back to hiding inside your gates. Also, welcome to the EP world where fighting 2 fronts of a keep is a common occurrence.

Roechacca

EskimoBrother wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

Ummm what? EP consistently has more pop than AD on that graph, the *** are you looking at???? And yes, the solution to Dc's pop problems are to bring all the PvE lords from chillrend so they can help us win. Brilliant! Are all EP this stupid or just most of them?

Their short on answers today so their pointing fingers at pvE players . Maybe we should recruit in role playing forums too .

Huckdabuck

EskimoBrother wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

Ummm what? EP consistently has more pop than AD on that graph, the *** are you looking at???? And yes, the solution to Dc's pop problems are to bring all the PvE lords from chillrend so they can help us win. Brilliant! Are all EP this stupid or just most of them?

Generalizing the graph yes (since there are no descriptive axis for time or actual population numbers).....there are only a few points where EP significantly outnumber AD (mostly in the middle of the graph, right after what appears to be the server maintenance, where the largest differences are). No where did I say that AD was equal 100% of the time....coming close to equaling something is normally accepted as within a few % points and does not equate to being 100% equal. Reading comprehension....I won't insult all of DC rather I'll just say this about you.....are you that "passionate about this issue" that you can't read? Also my question still remains...without a population number to go off of.....is a 20 person advantage more advantageous as a 200 person advantage? Of course it isn't. If it's a numbers game......then yes go get your PvE lords from Chillrend since there is safety in numbers per Dreyloch and they should have no problem mindlessly zerging and mowing things down in front of them.

Minnesinger

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

We cannot give specific numbers as to population caps and what each bar means, however here is a graph of Thornblade's (US) recent population which echos the statement above regarding the populations of each Alliance within that campaign:


Huckdabuck wrote: Just out of curiosity (since I may have missed it).....is this graph a snap shot of 1 day/1 week/1 month?

From another thread I picked up this.

ZOS_BrianWheeler mod
February 16 Staff Post
That graph is the last 5 days unless the programming gremlins are fibbing.

Huckdabuck

Minnesinger wrote: »

From another thread I picked up this.

ZOS_BrianWheeler mod
February 16 Staff Post
That graph is the last 5 days unless the programming gremlins are fibbing.

Thank you!

RedTalon

roechacca wrote: »

EskimoBrother wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

if DC as a whole was truly concerned with it they could guest in some folks or have them transfer off of their buff servers. AD really only has a few data points on this graph where they don't come close to equaling the EP population.

Ummm what? EP consistently has more pop than AD on that graph, the *** are you looking at???? And yes, the solution to Dc's pop problems are to bring all the PvE lords from chillrend so they can help us win. Brilliant! Are all EP this stupid or just most of them?

Their short on answers today so their pointing fingers at pvE players . Maybe we should recruit in role playing forums too .

Well if we do get the pvers means we would have to use the same tactic EP uses and server lag people out, and plus pvers want those achivements for doing quests in the pvp area more then anything.

But yeah just there isn't enough people on dc side truly interested in pvp, and they need to make a server for pves to do their quests on, so EP stops thinking that would solve anything...even when they start loosing keeps on chillrend it takes an effected daily area on that server to get the pvers interesting in helping out.

Just my two crowns