PTS Patch Notes v1.6.2
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Gandogal✭✭Destruction mastery set enlargement
In addition to my post asking to add rings and a neck to the destruction mastery set (just like footmen and healer set have), id also like to point out that this set only has 6 out of 7 armor items so far (no feet). you cant even combine it with head/shoulder-sets yet.
add the missing items please!
armor set balancing
also i would like to highlite the (already mentioned) issue, that the 5-item-bonusses of soulshine and burning spellweave are completely off compared to regular spell damage bonusses as well as the issue that weapon crit bonus on burning spell weave can surely not be intended.Edited by Gandogal on February 14, 2015 2:51PM1 -
Aliniel✭✭✭✭Nerfing Crushing shock - ok. It was kinda too strong, still is I'd say. People just spam it.
I am a foremost sorcerer player. Did this affect us a lot? Yes. But, it's a good nerf. Sorcerers need something of their own added into the game. Some spell should be altered or something. There aren't many single target spells we could use as a main DMG output. Most of them deal dmg on low targets or after some time. Crystal Fragment is awesome, but it's magicka hungry.
In every TES game mages were a powerful wielders of flame, frost and thunder. We are yet to see even a glimpse of other two elements. Also, there's no trace of "alteration" school. I know this isn't a regular TES game, but hopefully, the future will bring us the glory that Sorcerers deserve. Hopefully, a new skill tree.
Another thing, we should be allowed to be 100% magic dependent and not use weapons at all should we choose so.11 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭Nerfing Crushing shock - ok. It was kinda too strong, still is I'd say. People just spam it.
I am a foremost sorcerer player. Did this affect us a lot? Yes. But, it's a good nerf. Sorcerers need something of their own added into the game. Some spell should be altered or something. There aren't many single target spells we could use as a main DMG output. Most of them deal dmg on low targets or after some time. Crystal Fragment is awesome, but it's magicka hungry.
In every TES game mages were a powerful wielders of flame, frost and thunder. We are yet to see even a glimpse of other two elements. Also, there's no trace of "alteration" school. I know this isn't a regular TES game, but hopefully, the future will bring us the glory that Sorcerers deserve. Hopefully, a new skill tree.
Another thing, we should be allowed to be 100% magic dependent and not use weapons at all should we choose so.
it's barely a nerf, bringing OP skill in line to other skills.
skill is riddiculously cheap and effective compared to most other similar skills.6 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Don't say that now, people might flip their lids at youBobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!0 -
prototypefb✭✭✭✭Khivas_Carrick wrote: »Don't say that now, people might flip their lids at you
sorcs have nothing to cry about tbh, seems like ppl are crying just to get OP builds and faceroll everything.
i rather see balance/diversity in the game, idc if ppl throw virtual feces at me xDEdited by prototypefb on February 14, 2015 4:08PM5 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭I think Sorcs could use a little love, but casters in general are fineBobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!3
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Nightreaver✭✭✭✭
Though that would certainly be good news I would really like to see some evidence that that is in fact the case.Khivas_Carrick wrote: »Magicka is even with melee in terms of damage in PvE and PvP, it's all in how you play.
The issue I have right now is that we have Sorcerers from PTS claiming they remain behind other classes in DPS. Ok, fine but I would like to see some evidence of that. Claiming Sorcerers are only doing 6K DPS isn't a nerf if all other classes are doing the same.
On the other hand we have people who play other classes as their main claiming Sorcerers are balanced or even OP. But again I would like to see some evidence of that. Claiming Sorcerers are doing 12K DPS isn't OP if other classes are doing 15K.
Right now all I see is a lot of opinions with no evidence to support their claim.
I think most Sorcerers just want to see some test results comparing the classes completed on an even playing field to validate these claims one way or the other.
So you just came to whine about Sorcerers with nothing to substantiate your claims. How does that make you any better?prototypefb wrote: »sorcs have nothing to cry about tbh, seems like ppl are crying just to get OP builds and faceroll everything.
i rather see balance/diversity in the game, idc if ppl throw virtual feces at me xD
Just FYI, Sorcerers aren't looking to be OP, the goal of most Sorcerers is also to achieve balance/diversity in the game.
Yeah I would say it would be a real safe bet that you would get the same results from any class when someone that plays a different class makes unsubstantiated claims directed at them with the sole intention of getting a rise out of them. It's called Trolling. Has there ever been a class in any MMO that hasn't got upset when that occurs? Templars of course included.Khivas_Carrick wrote: »Don't say that now, people might flip their lids at you
Please, be my guest, take that comment and place it in any class discussion directed at their class in any MMO and see how well it is accepted.
Personally, I am enjoying my Sorcerer on PTS. My only issue at this time is that I have no real idea of how it compares to other classes.
If they ever create a Legendary recipe it better contain bacon as one of the ingredients. I'm just sayin'.0 -
Nightreaver✭✭✭✭prototypefb wrote: »
it's barely a nerf, bringing OP skill in line to other skills.
skill is riddiculously cheap and effective compared to most other similar skills.
I think the issue there is that other classes do have other spammable instant cast abilities to compare and bring it inline with. Sorcerers don't.
If they ever create a Legendary recipe it better contain bacon as one of the ingredients. I'm just sayin'.1 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Idk about the other classes but Templar's spammable abilities actually make our DPS worse if we actually spam them. Why as a stamina build heavy attack and both snipe and wrecking blow are extremely crucialBobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!1
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prototypefb✭✭✭✭Nightreaver wrote: »
I think the issue there is that other classes do have other spammable instant cast abilities to compare and bring it inline with. Sorcerers don't.
Dks don't have either(long range instant spammable spell) but that doesn't stop them being OP pre 1.6
sorcs have other means for the job, including imba protection etc
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HyperToxic✭✭✭Khivas_Carrick wrote: »
This isn't your garden variety mmo bud, the lighter the armor past heavy does not increase your dps anymore. Hell even WoW stopped doing that, same with swtor. Here in ESO heavy means tank, medium means melee, and light means ranged, most of the time, but even without the common archetypes, range should equal less damage but more range and mobility and cc, while melee equates to high risk high reward.
Sorry to say, but both are equal. This goes beyond just numbers.
Did you consider Bow? Bow is ranged and uses medium...Edited by HyperToxic on February 15, 2015 2:06AMV14 Sorc / V14 Templar / V14 Dk / V5 NB3 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Good point, shame on me.
Heavy = Tanking and surviving
Light = Magicka and Ranged/high risk high reward AoE
Medium = Stamina and Majority Melee and token Ranged.
That said, for me as a Templar, a bow is viable but nowhere near as powerful as a staff. It's a filler for when I'm not getting my ass kicked/kicking ass in melee.
In a NB's hands, that bow matches any destro user and is only topped by a nb with a destro, or was at least since things changed in 1.6.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!3 -
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✭✭prototypefb wrote: »
sorcs have nothing to cry about tbh, seems like ppl are crying just to get OP builds and faceroll everything.
i rather see balance/diversity in the game, idc if ppl throw virtual feces at me xD
I, or one, just want the class to be in line with how Mages and Sorcs worked in other Elder Scrolls games. Like I mentioned before, and others, mages in TES were squishy, no argument, but they were dangerous spell casters of all elements (Fire, Shock, Frost) In Skyrim, Oblivion you can have a thief (NB) Warrior (DK) and a Mage face off in a 3 Way fight and the Sorc would have a fighting chance because of how dangerous he was offensively... not OP at all... but just balanced enough to keep up with the other two.
I just want to be balanced, up to par with Templars, DKs and NBs and to me that just means maybe one or two more offensive spells and maybe a change here and there and I'm happy.
I'd trade Rune Prison for Frenzy (Call upon Boethiah and send npcs into a frenzy attacking everyone around them for 6-10 secs)
I'd trade Lightning Splash for Exploding Fireball (Hurl fireballs like Mehrunes Dagon at enemies that do X amount of fire damage and X amount to other enemies over X secs)
I'd trade Lightning Form for Ice Storm (Knockdown enemies and cause them X amount of frost damage) Think of the Death's Wind blow back with this one. We already have Hardened Ward and Bound Armor... do we really need three armor spells??
That doesn't sound OP to me because damage shields would still be getting the nerf they are apparently getting so we'd still be squishy. Does it sound like I'm trying to get Sorc to be OP with these spells? (Honestly) Because I think I am just trying to suggest some balancing options here. I don't need 4 CC's (counting Volcanic Rune) I don't need 4 armor spells (counting Harness Magicka) and what I do need is a variety of elemental damage.
Edited by OtarTheMad on February 15, 2015 2:21PM1 -
ForKristSake✭✭I would like to see the Argonian racial passive Amphibious have the buff for potions set back to it's original status effecting all potions.
Just my 2 gold.1 -
haidlir1983✭✭Im having a blast with my Bosmer Vamp Melee NB but still believe it need some work, for example new Haste, i don't find as useful as the old one so is out of my bar, im loving the new spark and the changes of some of the NB abilities to work with stm so my balanced NB dont have to depend on magika.
The Champ system is cool but the unlock passives of the thief side are so weak in comparison with the warrior and mage, they shoul be more like a assassin type no a merchant or at least both, i played all TES games and thief give you some "talk and sell" skills but we need some shadow assassin illusion type too
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PS: Zos i love this game pls make it even better
Bosmer NB - Ecclair
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Nightreaver✭✭✭✭HyperToxic wrote: »
Did you consider Bow? Bow is ranged and uses medium...
Weapons determine whether you are fighting melee or ranged, not armor. There isn't a single armor ability whose ability is dependent on melee or ranged.
Armor
Heavy: abilities increase defense and survivability.
Medium: abilities increase survivability and Stamina based DPS
Light: abilities increase Healing and Magicka based DPS.
Weapons
2H: Melee
Sword & Board: Melee
DW: Melee
Bow: Ranged
Destro Staff: Only weapon that supports offensive Magicka builds so contains both.
Resto Staff: Healing
If you're looking at armor from a role perspective
Heavy: Tank - Passives increase Defense and Survivability
Medium: DPS - Passives increase both melee and ranged Stamina DPS
Light: Healing and DPS - Passives increase both Healing and Magicka based melee and ranged DPS
Melee = highest play style risk incurring more damage than ranged.
Light armor = highest build risk incurring more damage than Medium/Heavy.
Not implying that the risk of wearing light armor equals the risk of fighting melee but that both should be considered in order to achieve balance when determining DPS.If they ever create a Legendary recipe it better contain bacon as one of the ingredients. I'm just sayin'.4 -
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True on paper, false in the tests.Nightreaver wrote: »Heavy armor undeniably has the advantage in defense and survivability over Light while providing nothing in the way to increase DPS
Light armor most certainly has the advantage in providing greater DPS over Heavy while having no passives to increase survivability
The adjective "undeniably" won't make it undeniable just by stating so.
Heavy = god-like Spell Resistance and Armor, decent DPS.
Light = 200% glass-cannon, with just a bit better DPS, and a bit more sustainability.
You can solo first AA boss in Heavy Armor, you die to Wasps in Light Armor. Fair enough for some, I guess.3 -
SpAEkus✭✭✭✭So dedicated healers? Light, med, or heavy, or do we know yet?
Waiting to see if I have to start over from my Level 20 Templar Mage or not.Edited by SpAEkus on February 16, 2015 2:34AM0 -
This is a place for discussion. Discussion, by any means, depends on unlimited thesis, to try to reach to a synthesis. It is not logical to call "irrelevant, do not answer" on what we discuss for 2 reasons:
1- discussion is a collection of many thesis as I said before, where it would not be possible to limit them, as far as they are connected, or you will connect by any means.
2- how can you find it irrelevant or missplaced, talking about WW-1, where you actually discuss WW-2?
Anyways, I am glad my respondent was aware of these, unlike your self.
I disagree, If someone comes on and talks about the game climate before bash was completely nerfed, what they are saying is irrelevant, the game has changed and the context does not make sense, its no longer in play as an issue. so if you talk out of context you run the risk of being irrelevant.
arguing about group composition because of how people play in 1.5 is irrelevant, the game is different by a long shot. its not the same as comparing world wars, the devs rewrite the code in the game and the past does not necessarily effect the future, unlike actual history; at least come up with an analogy that is not irrelevant.
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Nightreaver✭✭✭✭True on paper, false in the tests.
The adjective "undeniably" won't make it undeniable just by stating so.
Heavy = god-like Spell Resistance and Armor, decent DPS.
Light = 200% glass-cannon, with just a bit better DPS, and a bit more sustainability.
You can solo first AA boss in Heavy Armor, you die to Wasps in Light Armor. Fair enough for some, I guess.
Please enlighten me, in what way is it undeniable?
In what way does Light armor offer better defense and survivability than Heavy?
In what way does Heavy armor offer better DPS than Light?
"Heavy = god-like Spell Resistance and Armor, decent DPS."
Sounds like you agree that Heavy offers better defense and survivability
"Light = 200% glass-cannon, with just a bit better DPS, and a bit more sustainability."
Sounds like you agree that Light offers better DPS.
Sounds like even your argument is in agreement with me.
"You can solo first AA boss in Heavy Armor, you die to Wasps in Light Armor. Fair enough for some, I guess."
Not saying it's balanced. Just saying that the intent of Heavy armor is defense and survivability while the intent of Light armor is DPS and Healing.
And though not directed at you I have to LOL at people who don't like what a post says so they tag it with LOL because they can't provide an argument against it.
Edited by Nightreaver on February 16, 2015 2:59AMIf they ever create a Legendary recipe it better contain bacon as one of the ingredients. I'm just sayin'.4 -
Cyantific87✭✭✭dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »
I disagree, If someone comes on and talks about the game climate before bash was completely nerfed, what they are saying is irrelevant, the game has changed and the context does not make sense, its no longer in play as an issue. so if you talk out of context you run the risk of being irrelevant.
arguing about group composition because of how people play in 1.5 is irrelevant, the game is different by a long shot. its not the same as comparing world wars, the devs rewrite the code in the game and the past does not necessarily effect the future, unlike actual history; at least come up with an analogy that is not irrelevant.
All I remember from this post when i finish reading is "irrelevant" lol0 -
HyperToxic✭✭✭Major Prophecy from Sea of Flames and Inner light stacks together and provides 10% Spell Critical from each source for a total of 20% additional Spell Critical. However Spell Power pots with Spell Critical provides the same Major Prophecy buff yet does not stack with either.
I’ve herd rumors that this is a bug, I’ve also herd that it is intended that any Major buff stacked with another Major buff with the same name is automatically converted to a Minor buff. If that is the case why not with Spell Power pots?
Can anyone shed light on this?
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Kragorn✭✭✭✭✭
Since by definition dedicated healers aren't supposed to take much damage then I'd say the answer is unchanged from 1.5; neither in 1.5 nor 1.6 do Medium or Heavy armours help a healer I'd say.So dedicated healers? Light, med, or heavy, or do we know yet?
Waiting to see if I have to start over from my Level 20 Templar Mage or not.0 -
SpAEkus✭✭✭✭Since by definition dedicated healers aren't supposed to take much damage
Unfortunately Healers in 1.6 are having to survive those 10-15K one-shots so they aren't able to sustain long in PVP at least.
I was starting to think from reading that only a new hybrid-healer was going to be viable in 1.6x, whether PVP or PVE.0 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeSince by definition dedicated healers aren't supposed to take much damage then I'd say the answer is unchanged from 1.5; neither in 1.5 nor 1.6 do Medium or Heavy armours help a healer I'd say.
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