100 crowns for each prior month for subscribers. (WOW! 250+ AGREES!)

lathbury

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Whats insulting is people crying that theyre getting ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many MMOs have gone F2P/B2P in the past and gave you ANYTHING as far as a cash equivilent for your prior time in the game?

Ill wait.

Veteran rewards have been a staple of games in many MMOs. You can certainly look at Champions Online as an example of a game that started as subscription and went F2P and many of the veteran reward sets (like costumes) went to their cash shop. So yeah, they certainly should be rewarding the players that stuck with them through the months, it's pretty much standard procedure these days.

Veteran Rewards are equal to actual money being returned to you in the form of Crown Points?

Yeah Okay buddy.

Im still waiting.

PS. As a subscriber thats been with the game prior to B2P. You are getting perks in the form of mounts and pets as you continue your subscription. So that right there is your Veteran Rewards.

Im still waiting for the example of a company paying you back in any amount for your time in game that can be used in their Store.

Subscribers get free mounts? Where? I am pretty certain only Imperial Edition people get free mounts, and they paid for that privilege. Are you meaning to say that with the new model you won't be able to purchase mounts in the game for gold anymore?

Pets...ah yes definitely so valuable to the game. I trash all the vanity pets personally, they are useless and take up inventory space. I suppose you could certainly advertise that as a "reward".

I gave you a prime example of a game that started as subscription and went to F2P that also awarded it's Veterans with rewards that are sold directly in their cash shop. The correlation is right there. So wait all you like, but it was already given.

Youve obviously not been keeping up with what ZOS has been saying, doing...If you had youd know that a mount is coming for players that stuck with the game for its first year.

But please. Keep posting with your ill informed opinions. Theyve got me laughing hard over here.

Source?

Dave2836

lathbury wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Whats insulting is people crying that theyre getting ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many MMOs have gone F2P/B2P in the past and gave you ANYTHING as far as a cash equivilent for your prior time in the game?

Ill wait.

Veteran rewards have been a staple of games in many MMOs. You can certainly look at Champions Online as an example of a game that started as subscription and went F2P and many of the veteran reward sets (like costumes) went to their cash shop. So yeah, they certainly should be rewarding the players that stuck with them through the months, it's pretty much standard procedure these days.

Veteran Rewards are equal to actual money being returned to you in the form of Crown Points?

Yeah Okay buddy.

Im still waiting.

PS. As a subscriber thats been with the game prior to B2P. You are getting perks in the form of mounts and pets as you continue your subscription. So that right there is your Veteran Rewards.

Im still waiting for the example of a company paying you back in any amount for your time in game that can be used in their Store.

Subscribers get free mounts? Where? I am pretty certain only Imperial Edition people get free mounts, and they paid for that privilege. Are you meaning to say that with the new model you won't be able to purchase mounts in the game for gold anymore?

Pets...ah yes definitely so valuable to the game. I trash all the vanity pets personally, they are useless and take up inventory space. I suppose you could certainly advertise that as a "reward".

I gave you a prime example of a game that started as subscription and went to F2P that also awarded it's Veterans with rewards that are sold directly in their cash shop. The correlation is right there. So wait all you like, but it was already given.

Youve obviously not been keeping up with what ZOS has been saying, doing...If you had youd know that a mount is coming for players that stuck with the game for its first year.

But please. Keep posting with your ill informed opinions. Theyve got me laughing hard over here.

Source?

Skip to 34:11 and keep watching Matt Firor's reaction.

EDIt - Be hilarious if it's a dragon that can fly.

Gidorick

Dave2836 wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

pvpaddict42 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Whats insulting is people crying that theyre getting ANYTHING AT ALL.

How many MMOs have gone F2P/B2P in the past and gave you ANYTHING as far as a cash equivilent for your prior time in the game?

Ill wait.

Veteran rewards have been a staple of games in many MMOs. You can certainly look at Champions Online as an example of a game that started as subscription and went F2P and many of the veteran reward sets (like costumes) went to their cash shop. So yeah, they certainly should be rewarding the players that stuck with them through the months, it's pretty much standard procedure these days.

Veteran Rewards are equal to actual money being returned to you in the form of Crown Points?

Yeah Okay buddy.

Im still waiting.

PS. As a subscriber thats been with the game prior to B2P. You are getting perks in the form of mounts and pets as you continue your subscription. So that right there is your Veteran Rewards.

Im still waiting for the example of a company paying you back in any amount for your time in game that can be used in their Store.

Subscribers get free mounts? Where? I am pretty certain only Imperial Edition people get free mounts, and they paid for that privilege. Are you meaning to say that with the new model you won't be able to purchase mounts in the game for gold anymore?

Pets...ah yes definitely so valuable to the game. I trash all the vanity pets personally, they are useless and take up inventory space. I suppose you could certainly advertise that as a "reward".

I gave you a prime example of a game that started as subscription and went to F2P that also awarded it's Veterans with rewards that are sold directly in their cash shop. The correlation is right there. So wait all you like, but it was already given.

Youve obviously not been keeping up with what ZOS has been saying, doing...If you had youd know that a mount is coming for players that stuck with the game for its first year.

But please. Keep posting with your ill informed opinions. Theyve got me laughing hard over here.

Source?

Skip to 34:11 and keep watching Matt Firor's reaction.

EDIt - Be hilarious if it's a dragon that can fly.

I recommend everyone watch that in its entirety. VERY informative.

Jiigen

The video is definitely informative and it does show a lot of promise for the game and the future of the game. It made me feel more interested and less hating the in-game store.

However, it still does not mean that they are saints. As @PlagueMonk‌ has mentioned in this post before (here), we haven't been getting what we were paying for. The same was true for Update 5, it was not launched 6 weeks after Update 4 hit.
Further more, update 1.5.8 introduced old/new crafting bugs yet again that have still not been fixed 2 weeks later.

Meanwhile Cyrodiil is still experiencing its fair amount of issues with lag. They have removed forward camps, mercenaries, wildlife in Cyrodiil and quests in Tamriel which we do not know will ever come back. Why not? Because ZOS is unsure if they can fix those quests or if they can balance those features.

And yes, for those who have subscribed for 9 and 12 months, there will be rewards coming soon. The 9 months is most likely a pet again, but nothing is stated on it, the 12 months will be a mount and the only times that people will be able to get them is now, us, the people who have been subscribing since up until month 3 as that would be 9 months plus 3 more if you still update your subscription now, I am guessing on that last part.
However, that does not mean they won't ever be available in the future. Even old Recruit-A-Friend, etc, mounts in World of Warcraft can now be obtained for new players as well. So who knows.

And to bring us back to the topic;
All of the above does not mean that their incentive of giving us 100 crowns per previously subscribed month will balance out against those ESO:TU new players who just subscribe for a month and already get more crowns than we would for 12 months.
Personally I would tell all my friends to buy the game at a discount for PC, for 5-10$/5-10€/etc, and buy one month of ESO Plus just go to highly populated locations on a crowns bought Guar, wearing crown bought costumes and pretend to have been playing since day one, while asking people what an Ultimate is. The laughs that person will get out of it is definitely worth the €15 spent on it. And then never play the game again.

Elsonso

Since there is little reason to subscribe to ESO Plus right away, except for any possible "we love our continuous subscribers" plushie toy next year, maybe they should skip the 100 crowns per month and just give everyone an ESO Plus day for each subscribed day, up until June.

lathbury

its a clown car for the fools costume they are giving us.

Gidorick

I haven't heard about "subscriber duration" rewards continuing.... After the 9 month reward I don't think we'll have anything for being a subscriber for 12, 15, 18, etc.... months.

Rammi

So it begins, the crown wars has!!

jesusch

Totally agree. We deserve more for support the game all of this time.

Blubster3000nrb18_ESO

considering people who played before the game went to buy to play were not only paying sub fee but were also playing with a few bugs still in the game 100 crowns is quite unreasonable. especially if someone played for multiple months with any issues. even 150 would be a decent increase for long time players.
anywhere from 250-500 in my opinion would be more reasonable.

Anu_Saukko_Tutkija

Vunter wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Agree. 1500 probably is too much but at least 500 per month sounds good.

At least this.

Agreed

Gidorick

killerintheline9 wrote: »

Vunter wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Agree. 1500 probably is too much but at least 500 per month sounds good.

At least this.

Agreed

It seems like most of us dissatisfied with the 100C per month would be satisfied with 500C per month.

Jiigen

Gidorick wrote: »

I haven't heard about "subscriber duration" rewards continuing.... After the 9 month reward I don't think we'll have anything for being a subscriber for 12, 15, 18, etc.... months.

Actually what they said during their ESO Live was that it would be the only chance for people to receive the mount. Which would imply that it's a one-time only deal, then again it being ZOS you can expect anything. The fact remains that so far that's how they put it, our once in a life-time reward.

Edit: They state that here - youtu.be/4RxYZLOS5Jw?t=34m11s

Gidorick

Jiigen wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

I haven't heard about "subscriber duration" rewards continuing.... After the 9 month reward I don't think we'll have anything for being a subscriber for 12, 15, 18, etc.... months.

Actually what they said during their ESO Live was that it would be the only chance for people to receive the mount. Which would imply that it's a one-time only deal, then again it being ZOS you can expect anything. The fact remains that so far that's how they put it, our once in a life-time reward.

Edit: They state that here - youtu.be/4RxYZLOS5Jw?t=34m11s

I don't think the one time reward is considered a duration reward. it's not in the same line as the Ice Wraith and Dwemer Sphere. It's a separate one time consideration.

Will a player who subscribes to ESO:TU for 3 months get the ice wraith? Will someone who has been subscribed to ESO for 18 months get anything In the fall of 2015?

Jiigen

Yes; a lot of crowns!

Akhratos

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Ok, let's try and do some real math here, people.

1st month for an ESO Plus subscriber who was around since launch: 1500 Crowns for their ESO Plus month, and 1700 Crowns (more or less) for their subscription time plus the 500 Crown game credit. That's 3200 Crowns total.

1st month for an ESO Plus member who just bought the game: 1500 Crowns for ESO Plus and 500 Crowns for getting the game. That's 2000 Crowns total.

So no matter how you slice it, long-time subscribers will be getting about 1200 free Crowns.

All that said, you don't deserve anything else because you paid for a subscription. Your subscription gave you access to the game for the months you paid it. Giving us extra bonuses is a reward, not compensation.

You are trying your best to fit in the Court Jester costume when the time comes right?

I am sorry to disappoint you but I do not think they can make enough money with the cash shop to both hire and feed you.

WebBull

I don't really care since I will probably have more crowns then I will use (don't care about mounts or costumes) but 100 crowns for each month subscribed is pretty weak. Should start at 500 for 1st month and go up by 100 each month for each month subscribed.

Gidorick

WebBull wrote: »

I don't really care since I will probably have more crowns then I will use (don't care about mounts or costumes) but 100 crowns for each month subscribed is pretty weak. Should start at 500 for 1st month and go up by 100 each month for each month subscribed.

9500 points instead of 5000 for 10 months? Sure!!!

purple-magicb16_ESO

+agree - should be more. 'nuff said!

Jiigen

WebBull wrote: »

I don't really care since I will probably have more crowns then I will use (don't care about mounts or costumes) but 100 crowns for each month subscribed is pretty weak. Should start at 500 for 1st month and go up by 100 each month for each month subscribed.

That's not even a bad idea, to a maximum of 1500. Then you either get 1500 twice for the 11th and 12th month of subscribing.
500 buying game + 11000 for 11 months (+1500 for the 12th month). That's not as much as 1500 a month, not as little as 100-500 a month.

rynth

Everybody got what they paid for an MMO game, yes it had problems SO DOES EVERY OTHER MMO! deal with it. Times are changing and the game is changing you already got to play monthly by paying, now you don't have to. They are rewarding you for your time played and will continue to give small rewards to those that sub. If you don't like it leave, most others that don't pay attention to the forums will continue to play and I'm sure many will continue to pay a monthly fee or they wont.

Get over yourselves! lol A lot of you act like the world is coming to an end GROW UP.

Jiigen

Actually, the world is ending. Tamriel will no longer be unlimited, it will be more limited than it is now.
You buy the game and play, but you won't be able to play all content, you have to pay more. You see someone on a very unusual mount, or in a very interesting outfit and you want it too? You have to pay more.
ESO Plus should be called ESO Unlimited for as long as you keep paying and Tamriel Unlimited should be called, Tamriel Chained perhaps?

Also ESO is different from most other MMOs. Why? Because they released a PC version with subscription just over a year before they released the already announced console B2P version. They think the money will be there, which is why they had us paying for a year to see, play, experience, review, test and QA for them to release the console version.
Why didn't they release the console version earlier? It was clearly already playable, we have been doing so for the past year.
But then, why have a beta on console?! To test the server connectivity over consoles and possible lag when large groups are playing.

Normally we would get a salary, now we got to play a great game. But this is your employer giving an old sock for Christmas filled with goodies like a half eaten chocolate bar, a broken toy, and a gift certificate to fix the toy and buy a new chocolate bar.
Some people prefer nothing, others prefer to have just gotten the new chocolate bar and a working toy, they just don't feel right about the leftovers they have gotten. That's what they are expressing here.

ThyIronFist

Agreed.

I'd like to be rewarded for my 10 months of beta testing.

rynth

Jiigen wrote: »

Actually, the world is ending. Tamriel will no longer be unlimited, it will be more limited than it is now.
You buy the game and play, but you won't be able to play all content, you have to pay more. You see someone on a very unusual mount, or in a very interesting outfit and you want it too? You have to pay more.
ESO Plus should be called ESO Unlimited for as long as you keep paying and Tamriel Unlimited should be called, Tamriel Chained perhaps?

Also ESO is different from most other MMOs. Why? Because they released a PC version with subscription just over a year before they released the already announced console B2P version. They think the money will be there, which is why they had us paying for a year to see, play, experience, review, test and QA for them to release the console version.
Why didn't they release the console version earlier? It was clearly already playable, we have been doing so for the past year.
But then, why have a beta on console?! To test the server connectivity over consoles and possible lag when large groups are playing.

Normally we would get a salary, now we got to play a great game. But this is your employer giving an old sock for Christmas filled with goodies like a half eaten chocolate bar, a broken toy, and a gift certificate to fix the toy and buy a new chocolate bar.
Some people prefer nothing, others prefer to have just gotten the new chocolate bar and a working toy, they just don't feel right about the leftovers they have gotten. That's what they are expressing here.

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Agreed.

I'd like to be rewarded for my 10 months of beta testing.

well then I guess you both will be quitting then.

Jiigen

rynth wrote: »

well then I guess you both will be quitting then.

Not at all, I haven't finished testing the promised content yet, because it's not there.

rynth

Jiigen wrote: »

rynth wrote: »

well then I guess you both will be quitting then.

Not at all, I haven't finished testing the promised content yet, because it's not there.

if you aren't quitting then there is no reason to complain, because if it was so bad and this company was so awful on they did their consumer to you then you'd quit. But, by not quitting then you are saying that you are okay with was is being done because you will go on supporting the game either by paying a sub or just playing the game

Jiigen

@rynth‌ Indeed! That's exactly the case. As is it the case for most people in this thread. I would've simply wanted more crowns, or none but the 500 for buying the game. 100 seems unjustified to me and a waste of the coder's time.
Doesn't seem to do what ZOS claimed it was for, to show their appreciation to their loyal fans; giving less than a months worth of backward rewarded crowns for a year of subscription.

Mithe

Its clear the VAST majority see this as an insult

I asked this same question, and got a reply from Matt Firor:

"We also have 3, 6, and 9 month subscriber loyalty rewards (we've already given out the 3 and 6 month rewards), and we'll have a special loyalty reward for all of you who have subscribed from original launch through the Tamriel Unlimited transition. I mistakenly called this the "12 month" reward on our twitch show the day before yesterday, what it is intended to do is to make sure that people who subscribed the entire time the game was sub-based get a really cool exclusive reward. Expect details on that soon."

Whilst i PERSONALLY am looking forward to a special/unique mount, MANY people havent been subbed constantly since launch, so why should they get less than ONE MONTH of crowns if they let their sub lapse even for just a day, when they have also been loyal subscribers.

rynth

Jiigen wrote: »

@rynth‌ Indeed! That's exactly the case. As is it the case for most people in this thread. I would've simply wanted more crowns, or none but the 500 for buying the game. 100 seems unjustified to me and a waste of the coder's time.
Doesn't seem to do what ZOS claimed it was for, to show their appreciation to their loyal fans; giving less than a months worth of backward rewarded crowns for a year of subscription.

as I said if everybody here doesn't quit or un sub which ever it is, then really and truly it didn't bother them enough. Zos is being nice and giving those have sub'd prior to this some crowns. Bottom line is they don't have to give us any extra crowns for sub'ing prior. They are being nice and people are being greedy little cry babies about it. We all got what we paid for already game time nothing more nothing less.

People are crying and moaning before anything is in game or even experienced. Its easier for them to complain about the game and continue to sub, gives them reason and a sense of self worth

rynth

Mithe wrote: »

Its clear the VAST majority see this as an insult

I asked this same question, and got a reply from Matt Firor:

"We also have 3, 6, and 9 month subscriber loyalty rewards (we've already given out the 3 and 6 month rewards), and we'll have a special loyalty reward for all of you who have subscribed from original launch through the Tamriel Unlimited transition. I mistakenly called this the "12 month" reward on our twitch show the day before yesterday, what it is intended to do is to make sure that people who subscribed the entire time the game was sub-based get a really cool exclusive reward. Expect details on that soon."

Whilst i PERSONALLY am looking forward to a special/unique mount, MANY people havent been subbed constantly since launch, so why should they get less than ONE MONTH of crowns if they let their sub lapse even for just a day, when they have also been loyal subscribers.

the majority huh? care to show me the numbers on that or are you just basing this off your opinion? Because last time I checked the General Forum by no way has ever represented the majority of players.......unless of course you are referring to all the complainers and doom/gloom, then I'd be more inclined to believe your statement about the majority.