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Help! We need more guild management tools!

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Edit*** This thread has now expanded far beyond my original concern and now serves as a rally cry for Zos to give us the guild management tools we need to build strong guilds and communities in Elder Scrolls Online. Please show your support!

Guild banks - All for one or one for all?

As a guild administrator I am faced with a few unfortunate choices.
Should I leave the guild bank open to all members or close it off to all but a select few?
Will members need to beg a moderator anytime they need some snake slime or a stick of yew?
Will guild officers be required to spend more time babysitting and watching over the guild bank then they do playing?
Should guild members just vendor or destroy the items they don't personally need because it is too hard to share them equally amongst guild mates?

I say NO!

I dream of a tamriel where guilds can put reasonable limits on guild withdrawals.
I dream of a day where guild bank access is not all or nothing and guild members can sleep well knowing that what they donate to the guild bank is acessable to those that need it but safe from greed and theft.
I dream of sleeping soundly knowing that the guild logs go back more than 30 or so items and I can go back and look over it later.

Please please comment and vote! Zos needs this brought to their attention so we are no longer faced with an awful choice! Support guilds - Support Community!

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Help! We need more guild management tools! 458 votes

Yes! Guild banks should be open unconditionally to all guild members (please don't rob us
7% 36 votes
No! guild banks should be closed to all members apart from officers (who can spend all day getting gear out for the other 300 members)
4% 20 votes
I hate both of those options! More guild bank tools please! Maybe limited withdrawals in a 24 hour period? help us ZoS!
87% 402 votes
  • ashlee17
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    If you are in a guild please help us bring this topic to attention by voting and commenting below. I would love to have the tools and information to help me set up a More Than Fair and balanced approach to sharing guild resources amongst its members.

    I hope Zos have already figured recognized this problem. To quote a God..
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    Edited by ashlee17 on January 12, 2015 8:55PM
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  • ashlee17
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    Sorry to hear about your sweet roll UrQuan. It's an unfortunate side effect of keeping them in a guild bank :( Fimmion must have joined your guild!
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    I love your ideas above and I think something like that could go a long way to helping everyone protect and share their sweetrolls with guild mates in the future! Thanks for commenting - hopefully we can bring this issue to the attention of Zos!
    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 7:26AM
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  • redspecter23
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    What you do is this:

    New members to the guild are "Rank X." However, the guild bank is only open to members of "Rank Y" and above. To go from X to Y, a member has to show that they are legit, so that no random new guy can come and raid the bank.

    I'm guessing most large guilds do this already. As stated by the OP, often "rank Y" is officer and above in order to prevent abuse of the system. The OP suggests more tiers so that in situations like this, more members can have access.

    Your idea works great but it is still an all or nothing system so there is a lot of trust involved in getting to "rank Y". I'd prefer a system that allows tiered access from rank W > rank X > rank Y > rank Z so members have a chance to earn that trust instead of a black and white yes/no, all/nothing system.

  • ashlee17
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    Thanks reading this post and for your suggestion s7732425ub_ESO! It could help a little as a temporary alternative and a stop gap measure. But with large guilds that often add up to 10 new members per day it can be almost impossible to keep track of every guild member. Once again the lack of guild tools and tiny fraction of guild log history avalible makes this solution hazardous at best and paralyzing to guild growth at worst. Again I humbly ask you all to join the call for zos to add some new features to make running a guild bank (and guild) more enjoyable, less stressful and More Than Fair for all. MartinSeptim.png
    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 6:29AM
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  • Natjur
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    But then I will not be able to 'borrow' so much was random guilds :)
  • Sord
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    To make this easy for each rank a person gets allows them the ability to take X amount of items out of the guild bank. Rank 1 gets to remove nothing from the bank each day, Rank 2 get to remove 2 items per day, Rank 3 gets to remove 5, etc etc. There can also be different levels, for example there is a section that is a free for all no limits, another level can be as I listed above for more important things and 3 level can be for only Officers and GL and Level 4 is for GL where the most expensive things are.

    This way a bank can't be robbed so easily and limits can be placed based on rank and via level of item placement.

    When someone deposits something they can decide which level it is deposited at for security purposes as well. Just my thoughts on how I think a guild bank should be. Also the GL can designate how many items slots are in each level. example : Lvl 1= 25 slots, lvl 2 = 200, lvl 3 = 175, Lvl 4 = 100 slots

    Edit: Just saw that someone posted a similar idea just above me, his post wasn't there when I started writing lol.
    Edited by Sord on January 12, 2015 2:16AM
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  • ashlee17
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    Love your ideas everyone! Keep them comming! It's great to know that I'm not alone! I love the idea of tiered access and being able to set a withdraw limit per rank. That could work really well and provide a gentle introduction to the guild while still retaining accessibility. Hopefully if we keep getting votes and comments zos will become aware of the situation and provide us with a solution

    Zos/ESO and lack of guild tools - You are older and wiser now!Please correct the folly of youth!
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    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 6:42AM
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  • WhiskyBob
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    How hard would it be to give guild banks few different sections with different levels of accessibility?

    If you want to see how perfect banking system works try EvE Online.
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    Still hoping for a response from Zos :)

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    Thanks for leaving a comment WhiskyBob and SFBrian18 :) currently using a request for withdrawal system would be very time consuming for officers when you have a large guild. Guild officers are volenteers and burn out is an issue. It would also slow people's access to gear that they need significantly. For example - we keep a few low lvl crafted sets in the guild bank free for members to use. I want low lvl guild members to be able to take and use a low lvl set immediately because delays mean that they might out level the set before they even have access to it. What I don't want is someone to be able to withdraw all the low lvl sets at once to mistakenly use for deconstruction. If Zos becomes aware of our plight they maybe be able to help us out with some more tools. Good guilds help players and create strong communities. The faster and more efficiently we can help our members (without risking having our guild bank cleaned out by a single player) the better it will be for all.

    Zos please give us more guild management tools!

    Edited by ashlee17 on January 12, 2015 6:00PM
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  • Vairkjosab14_ESO
    Tiered makes the best sense to me. Otherwise just keep probationary period for a few days!
  • aceofspades49
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    I like the idea of this and think that a tiered bank system would be very useful. Allowing people to only take things according to their level of access, meaning that if we allowed access by the level of the item(1-9) a person with level of 1 bank access could take out iron and other things of that level while a person of level 9 would be able to take voidstone ingots. This could also be put into place for gear, a level 1 access could take items of level 1-10, a level 3 would be able to acess the gear of level 21-30 and so on. Another way is to add on something that shows the value of items added, that way as a guild moderator(I am in 2 guilds at this level, Fariy Tail Guild and More than Fair) and Guild leader( The Ebon Blades) we can view and decide if a member should be giving more access to the bank.
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    I have been thinking more about how we could make guilds easier to manage and more attractive to players. How about introducing some kind of guild participation and recognition system? Maybe Zos could give us a system similar to the system the forum uses to encourage us to comment and participate?
    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 4:36PM
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  • Gidorick
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    After dumping a bunch of stuff into a guild bank I decided to just use the Guild Store... at least there I get paid for my stuff.
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    Thanks for commenting Gidorick.

    Unfortunately I can totally understand your sentiment. With no way for you to know/track how your donation helps others or for guild leaders to recognize your contribution to the guild it can seem pointless to donate to a guild bank.

    One again I call on the powers that be to help us by providing more guild controls, logs and tools to help us recognize those that contribute to guilds and ensure that donations are able to be used effectively to help all guild members.

    Help zos hear us! Comment to help us call for change!

    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 7:28AM
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  • istateres
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    I want to tier BOTH the guild members AND the item in the bank. So maybe level 1 guild member can get bank tier 1 items only, etc. Kuna ends up in tier 4, etc.

    Overall, ANY extar tools to help manage membership, banks, etc. would be helpful. Like email, the systems currently in place are minimal at best.
  • radiostar
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    Use Bank Item Permissions

    Every GB item/stack has tickboxes.
    Boxes are only viewable/useable by the GMaster and designated bank officers.
    Choices could be "GM", ">RANK X", ">RANK Y", etc., with the last choice "ALL".

    Every deposit to the bank defaults to GM only for withdraw.
    The Guild Master and designated bank officers can tick off the boxes to make the items release for guild members.

    At the banker, guild member selects Guild Bank and sees the bank items as usual.
    In the Withdraw Window, beneath the item-type icon selectors is another row with icons for GM, >Rank X, >Rank Y, etc., ending in ALL.
    Hovering the mousepointer over those icons gives a tooltip of who is allowed to withdraw and clicking those icons displays all the corresponding bank items for that level of withdraw.

    Guild member can then press the appropriate permission icon and then the item-type icon (or vice versa) and have only those items displayed available to withdraw.

    Guild Members can always see what's in the whole bank, but can only remove what has been designated by guild leaders for their rank.

    I'm hoping this sounds more complicated than it is to implement.
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  • IceDread
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    If they can not even filter out the wrong languages on the forums... or make the inventory/bank a real inventory system.. one can not even guess if improvements to guild management will ever come.
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    Great work everyone! Keep adding all your suggestions for guild tools- Stronger guilds = Stronger communities!

    IceDread - I can understand how you feel :) Thats why we continue to give feedback to Zos!
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    radiostar- Thanks for outlining a possible solution- tick boxes could be an awesome system!

    Antiquity- love the idea of notifications!

    ElfFromSpace thanks for adding the manifesto! Some fantastic ideas there!

    I call on all guild leaders, officers and members to comment here and bring the need for more guild tools to the developers attention!
    Edited by ashlee17 on January 16, 2015 7:53AM
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