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Qyrk✭✭✭✭✭
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No Gina is correct.
From your examples above:
v12 with 800,000 xp to v13:
v1 to v12 is 11 levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 55
then 800,000 xp = 4
therefore = 59
Fresh v4 character
v1 to v4 character is 3 levels with 5 champions points each vet level = 15
v5 with 400,000 xp to next vet rank
v1 to v5 is 4 vet levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 20
400,000 xp = 2
therefore = 22
Another example:
By your calculation, you would assume v2 would have 10 champion points - where this is not the case.
From v1, there are 1million xp to v2, so a fresh v2 would only have 5 champion points.
I hope this clarifies it.
Edited by Qyrk on January 11, 2015 4:05AM1 -
pete5210b14_ESO wrote: »In my opinion, this is very bad decision. In this case, player who has one vr14 character and player who has 8 vr14 characters will receive same number of CP. But player with one vr14 character can claim much more CP point while playing other new characters after update 6 was released, as opposed to player with 8 vr14 chars, who should delete some chars and start playing with new one to claim any additional CP points.
This is what players get for being greedy and grinding 8 slots of players
Why do so many of you want to punish players for playing the game. Leveling a character is not being greedy. Having more then 1 vr14 should not be a punishment.
i don't see the problem here, I honestly believe someone is looking for a new problem. if you have 1 vr14 character you will receive 70 Character Points, and if you have 8 VR14 characters each of those characters will also receive 70 Character Points. claiming that someone with one Vr14 has more options for leveling character points is also deluded. if someone has one VR14, they aren't the kind of player that enjoys leveling alts anyway, and considering how much XP is earned at low level vs vet rank, that same persons would be better off playing their VR14, and NOT low level toons gaining much less xp/cp. given the previous 30 points for all vet rank accounts the new compromise is much more desirable and a more than fair effort on ZOS part to be fair to everyone. it mght not be perfect, but ZOS showing that they listen to their players, and making an effort to compromise is ACES in my book
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Lancillotto✭✭✭@Lancillotto
No Gina is correct.
From your examples above:
v12 with 800,000 xp to v13:
v1 to v12 is 11 levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 55
then 800,000 xp = 4
therefore = 59
Fresh v4 character
v1 to v4 character is 3 levels with 5 champions points each vet level = 15
v5 with 400,000 xp to next vet rank
v1 to v5 is 4 vet levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 20
400,000 xp = 2
therefore = 22
Another example:
By your calculation, you would assume v2 would have 10 champion points - where this is not the case.
From v1, there are 1million xp to v2, so a fresh v2 would only have 5 champion points.
I hope this clarifies it.
ah, ok, it makes sense, VR1=lvl50 so it's not rewarded any points, and VR2 is the first VR that counts...1 -
LitosVansinneSoul ShrivenThis is a welcome change , and a mor fair solution than the original 30 CP to every vr char. Good job zenimax and once again it show that they are listening on their playerbase
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sand_man✭Lancillotto wrote: »@Lancillotto
No Gina is correct.
From your examples above:
v12 with 800,000 xp to v13:
v1 to v12 is 11 levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 55
then 800,000 xp = 4
therefore = 59
Fresh v4 character
v1 to v4 character is 3 levels with 5 champions points each vet level = 15
v5 with 400,000 xp to next vet rank
v1 to v5 is 4 vet levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 20
400,000 xp = 2
therefore = 22
Another example:
By your calculation, you would assume v2 would have 10 champion points - where this is not the case.
From v1, there are 1million xp to v2, so a fresh v2 would only have 5 champion points.
I hope this clarifies it.
ah, ok, it makes sense, VR1=lvl50 so it's not rewarded any points, and VR2 is the first VR that counts...
@Lancillotto i think u were correct the first time. because if u would calculate like @Qyrk said it then theres only 13 vet lvls and 13 x 5 = 65. and Gina said that there would be 70 points allocated, 14 x 5 = 70.
so to get 70 points by the time ur vet 14 then u would need to get 5 points when u go from 49 to vet 1 and then go from that point.0 -
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@sand_man a VR14 who just reached VR14 would only get 65 CPs, but a VR14 who has accumulated 1,000,000 XP above VR14 (ie, the equivalent of VR15 if it existed) would get the 70. This is what Gina meant where she said "A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are"Lancillotto wrote: »@Lancillotto
No Gina is correct.
From your examples above:
v12 with 800,000 xp to v13:
v1 to v12 is 11 levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 55
then 800,000 xp = 4
therefore = 59
Fresh v4 character
v1 to v4 character is 3 levels with 5 champions points each vet level = 15
v5 with 400,000 xp to next vet rank
v1 to v5 is 4 vet levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 20
400,000 xp = 2
therefore = 22
Another example:
By your calculation, you would assume v2 would have 10 champion points - where this is not the case.
From v1, there are 1million xp to v2, so a fresh v2 would only have 5 champion points.
I hope this clarifies it.
ah, ok, it makes sense, VR1=lvl50 so it's not rewarded any points, and VR2 is the first VR that counts...
@Lancillotto i think u were correct the first time. because if u would calculate like @Qyrk said it then theres only 13 vet lvls and 13 x 5 = 65. and Gina said that there would be 70 points allocated, 14 x 5 = 70.
so to get 70 points by the time ur vet 14 then u would need to get 5 points when u go from 49 to vet 1 and then go from that point.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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sand_man✭
@sand_man a VR14 who just reached VR14 would only get 65 CPs, but a VR14 who has accumulated 1,000,000 XP above VR14 (ie, the equivalent of VR15 if it existed) would get the 70. This is what Gina meant where she said "A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are"Lancillotto wrote: »@Lancillotto
No Gina is correct.
From your examples above:
v12 with 800,000 xp to v13:
v1 to v12 is 11 levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 55
then 800,000 xp = 4
therefore = 59
Fresh v4 character
v1 to v4 character is 3 levels with 5 champions points each vet level = 15
v5 with 400,000 xp to next vet rank
v1 to v5 is 4 vet levels with 5 champion points each vet level = 20
400,000 xp = 2
therefore = 22
Another example:
By your calculation, you would assume v2 would have 10 champion points - where this is not the case.
From v1, there are 1million xp to v2, so a fresh v2 would only have 5 champion points.
I hope this clarifies it.
ah, ok, it makes sense, VR1=lvl50 so it's not rewarded any points, and VR2 is the first VR that counts...
@Lancillotto i think u were correct the first time. because if u would calculate like @Qyrk said it then theres only 13 vet lvls and 13 x 5 = 65. and Gina said that there would be 70 points allocated, 14 x 5 = 70.
so to get 70 points by the time ur vet 14 then u would need to get 5 points when u go from 49 to vet 1 and then go from that point.
ahh, gotcha.
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randolphbenoit✭✭✭✭A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are, but 70 is the maximum the conversion system will give out for the account.
But once you hit Vet 14 the XP bar no longer shows your current XP (to say vet 15 for example).
How do we know how much XP been gain after vet 14? I mean how we know we will get full 70 Champion Points on one character?
Players with more than one Vet toon can tell if they done enough, so what about those only one Vet toon (at Max lvl)the NeXus Guild (NA-DC-Crafters) contact @randolphbenoit - Currently Allies to Fairy Tail of Tamriel (Social) and Brave Kore (DC PvP). https://twitter.com/randolphbenoit
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Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭randolphbenoit wrote: »A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are, but 70 is the maximum the conversion system will give out for the account.
But once you hit Vet 14 the XP bar no longer shows your current XP (to say vet 15 for example).
How do we know how much XP been gain after vet 14? I mean how we know we will get full 70 Champion Points on one character?
Players with more than one Vet toon can tell if they done enough, so what about those only one Vet toon (at Max lvl)
She said earlier in the thread that while your XP bar shows as being full once you reach V14, that hovering over it actually shows your XP gain since leveling.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
Benefactor✭✭✭✭randolphbenoit wrote: »A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are, but 70 is the maximum the conversion system will give out for the account.
But once you hit Vet 14 the XP bar no longer shows your current XP (to say vet 15 for example).
How do we know how much XP been gain after vet 14? I mean how we know we will get full 70 Champion Points on one character?
Players with more than one Vet toon can tell if they done enough, so what about those only one Vet toon (at Max lvl)
She said earlier in the thread that while your XP bar shows as being full once you reach V14, that hovering over it actually shows your XP gain since leveling.
This is not currently available in the current patch though so it's a valid concern. It only says "veteran rank 14" when you hover over it and doesn't give you XP.4 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Benefactor wrote: »randolphbenoit wrote: »A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are, but 70 is the maximum the conversion system will give out for the account.
But once you hit Vet 14 the XP bar no longer shows your current XP (to say vet 15 for example).
How do we know how much XP been gain after vet 14? I mean how we know we will get full 70 Champion Points on one character?
Players with more than one Vet toon can tell if they done enough, so what about those only one Vet toon (at Max lvl)
She said earlier in the thread that while your XP bar shows as being full once you reach V14, that hovering over it actually shows your XP gain since leveling.
This is not currently available in the current patch though so it's a valid concern. It only says "veteran rank 14" when you hover over it and doesn't give you XP.
Ah, I didn't know that. I'm not yet V14.
I've heard guildies talking about their percentage over V14 from the FTC add-on, perhaps that could be a temporary way to see it until it works as Gina described?Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
Tarrin✭✭✭I`ve played 1-50 content in faceroll style.
With 70 points my low_lvl character will play in bot style.
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kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭In my opinion, this is very bad decision. In this case, player who has one vr14 character and player who has 8 vr14 characters will receive same number of CP. But player with one vr14 character can claim much more CP point while playing other new characters after update 6 was released, as opposed to player with 8 vr14 chars, who should delete some chars and start playing with new one to claim any additional CP points.
I have to agree with you here, I will be losing out on about 120 hours of leveling which isn't as bad as the 300+ hour loss I would have suffered before, but it is still a LOT of loss. I think those people who have multiple V14's should be compensated some other way if they insist on keeping a cap and taking away experience you earned.4 -
ascafuinSoul Shriveni believe every char should get its own CP... i have 3 vr14 chars ,not good news for me ...i guess..1
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Exstazik✭✭✭✭Why people who already have v14 chars will not receive any bonus CP from exp which is earned from :"January 9(when the news about 70 CP was added) " and "1.6 goes live" ?1 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I have a question,that maybe sounds silly but...
Will u be able to spend the 70 cp u obtained because you had(for example one vr14) in the other alts being non veteran inmediatly or just once you are vet with these other alts too?0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭I have a question,that maybe sounds silly but...
Will u be able to spend the 70 cp u obtained because you had(for example one vr14) in the other alts being non veteran inmediatly or just once you are vet with these other alts too?
You'll be able to spend them on alts that are not vet level. They will be available to be spent individually on all characters on the account.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP1 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭I have a question,that maybe sounds silly but...
Will u be able to spend the 70 cp u obtained because you had(for example one vr14) in the other alts being non veteran inmediatly or just once you are vet with these other alts too?
You'll be able to spend them on alts that are not vet level. They will be available to be spent individually on all characters on the account.
Ok thanks for the answer.
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Stonesthrow✭✭✭✭pete5210b14_ESO wrote: »In my opinion, this is very bad decision. In this case, player who has one vr14 character and player who has 8 vr14 characters will receive same number of CP. But player with one vr14 character can claim much more CP point while playing other new characters after update 6 was released, as opposed to player with 8 vr14 chars, who should delete some chars and start playing with new one to claim any additional CP points.
This is what players get for being greedy and grinding 8 slots of players
Why do so many of you want to punish players for playing the game. Leveling a character is not being greedy. Having more then 1 vr14 should not be a punishment.
They might mean that doing the "grinding", aka less than 20 hours for VR1-14 per character, on 7 other characters JUST to try and get an edge on other players who choose to level in other more conventional ways might by slightly greedy in it's nature. Just a guess of course.
Play how you want to play, level how you want to level... I agree with all of that, but if anyone actually chose to power grind 7 additional characters ONLY for that SINGLE reason, then they really kinda deserve it in my book.
And, based on what little we know, CPs are going to be rewarded for time played and not XPs earned, so playing with any of the 8 VR14s while enlightened will still generate additional CPs, so what's the big deal?
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glak✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »@EQBallzz & @Vez - I think the confusion is in the words 'eligible to use'.
I, and a majority, are taking this to mean that only characters that exist on 1.6 day qualify to call off points from the 70 available BUT once that 70 have been claimed they can be used by any character past or future.
This is further clarified in point 4 of Gina's examples where she says:
"Later, you start a new character; that character can use 75 Champion Points immediately."
You know, sometimes when you write something, you hear it differently in your head than what others hear. Sorry about that.
@SuraklinPrime, you've got it right. Points from the conversion pool can only be claimed by characters that exist prior to Update 6, but once those points are claimed, they move into an account-wide Champion pool that can be used by any character (no matter when they were created). We'll edit the first post to clarify.
Does this mean characters that used the conversion pool do a double dip (total after start could be 140 cp)? I'm sounding dense but just trying to do a little requirements clarification before 1.6 hits.Edited by glak on January 12, 2015 1:28PM0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »@EQBallzz & @Vez - I think the confusion is in the words 'eligible to use'.
I, and a majority, are taking this to mean that only characters that exist on 1.6 day qualify to call off points from the 70 available BUT once that 70 have been claimed they can be used by any character past or future.
This is further clarified in point 4 of Gina's examples where she says:
"Later, you start a new character; that character can use 75 Champion Points immediately."
You know, sometimes when you write something, you hear it differently in your head than what others hear. Sorry about that.
@SuraklinPrime, you've got it right. Points from the conversion pool can only be claimed by characters that exist prior to Update 6, but once those points are claimed, they move into an account-wide Champion pool that can be used by any character (no matter when they were created). We'll edit the first post to clarify.
Does this mean characters that used the conversion pool do a double dip (total after start could be 140 cp)? I'm sounding dense but just trying to do a little requirements clarification before 1.6 hits.
No. The cap for conversion is 70, period. Whatever points you've earned up to and including that number will then be available to be spent individually on all of your characters. It's an account pool but they are spent separately.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP1 -
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✭Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.Edited by Lord_Draevan on January 12, 2015 1:38PMI'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.
Yep.
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Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.
Yep.
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Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »Lord_Draevan wrote: »Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.
Yep.
Goodie, I won't have to do Cadwell's Silver/Gold anymore!
Finally, I can make a DC character without killing the immersion by being forced to kill droves of fellow DC in the EP zone quests :disagree:
Indeed, they'll be optional. I know a lot of folks are happy about that.
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✭✭✭✭✭..Lord_Draevan wrote: »Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.
The simple answer is "yes"
The phrase "beyond that," to me, does not really capture it. It makes more sense to think of the Champion System as something you do at Level 50.
Also, I think max level (level cap) is, and always has been, Level 50. I do not think that ZOS considers VR14 to be anything more than the maximum Veteran Rank.
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✭lordrichter wrote: »..Lord_Draevan wrote: »Just to be sure I understand, when the Champion System is fully implemented in 1.7, the max level will be 50 instead of V14, correct? And beyond that all you earn is Champion points.
The simple answer is "yes"
The phrase "beyond that," to me, does not really capture it. It makes more sense to think of the Champion System as something you do at Level 50.
Also, I think max level (level cap) is, and always has been, Level 50. I do not think that ZOS considers VR14 to be anything more than the maximum Veteran Rank.
If level 50 becomes the max, I wonder what'll become of gear beyond that level, i.e gear currently at V14. I assume ZOS will just scale it back down to 50.I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server0 -
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✭randolphbenoit wrote: »A VR14 character can receive up to 70 Champion Points depending on how much XP into VR14 they are, but 70 is the maximum the conversion system will give out for the account.
But once you hit Vet 14 the XP bar no longer shows your current XP (to say vet 15 for example).
How do we know how much XP been gain after vet 14? I mean how we know we will get full 70 Champion Points on one character?
Players with more than one Vet toon can tell if they done enough, so what about those only one Vet toon (at Max lvl)
Just check your character when it hits PTS and then if the conversion gives you say 65 start grinding those characters hehehe
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