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Feedback to the Champion System
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Vez✭✭✭This is a good deal. Thanks for revisiting this.
A point of clarification: the pre-update 6 "award" pool of champion points is only available to characters who were created before update 6? The pool of champion points available to characters created after update 6 will only contain champion points earned through normal means after update 6?0 -
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James-Wayne✭✭✭✭✭
✭Great news but are you still tracking VP past VR14? Or the conversion system only works on the maximum level of VR14?PERTH, AUSTRALIA | PC | NA | @Aussie-Elders
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Darkheart✭✭✭This is a good deal. Thanks for revisiting this.
A point of clarification: the pre-update 6 "award" pool of champion points is only available to characters who were created before update 6? The pool of champion points available to characters created after update 6 will only contain champion points earned through normal means after update 6?
All champion points you earn from before or after Update 6 , Can always be used by all your characters.
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Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭James-Wayne wrote: »Great news but are you still tracking VP past VR14? Or the conversion system only works on the maximum level of VR14?
You're getting 1 CP per 200,000 xp earned, up to a max of 70 CP. So at 1 mil xp past VR14 (just before you'd ding V15 if that level existed), you will have maxed out the conversion CP. No point in tracking it after that.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP4 -
Vez✭✭✭This is a good deal. Thanks for revisiting this.
A point of clarification: the pre-update 6 "award" pool of champion points is only available to characters who were created before update 6? The pool of champion points available to characters created after update 6 will only contain champion points earned through normal means after update 6?
All champion points you earn from before or after Update 6 , Can always be used by all your characters.
That's not how I'm reading these specific points:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Only currently existing characters created before Update 6 goes live are eligible to use points from the conversion pool. You must have at least one Veteran Rank character in order to receive Champion Points from this conversion pool to your account.
- The 70 Champion Points from the conversion pool will never get more points added to it - only subtracted. If there’s a situation where you don’t use up all 70 points once the system is live, they will never be used since this only applies to characters you have preceding Update 6.
- For example, if you have just one fresh VR4 character in your account, you’ll receive 15 Champion Points from the conversion after you log in. You will never be able to use the remaining 55 Points since it only applies to pre-existing characters prior to Update 6.
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »This change by ZoS isn't possible, because when I posted about it, I was told its "set in stone" and "our opinions don't matter" and we're all just "whiny cry babies."
Thanks, Gina.
You do realize that 70 points is maximum?
Perhaps it's not set in stone, but as I'm aware you'll get rewarded for a total ~15 VR levels (Those that have multiple VR14 will get nothing out of it
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That's the most confusing part, but it goes like this. When 1.6 goes live, you will get 5 CP for roughly every Vet Rank past 1 earned across all characters on your account at that point, up to a maximum of 70. They are treating the 70 cap as a pool of possible starting CP you can get that this is deducted from. So you won't get this bonus CP on any future character leveled after that fact. It's applied across your account and any additional CP will need to be earned the regular way.This is a good deal. Thanks for revisiting this.
A point of clarification: the pre-update 6 "award" pool of champion points is only available to characters who were created before update 6? The pool of champion points available to characters created after update 6 will only contain champion points earned through normal means after update 6?
All champion points you earn from before or after Update 6 , Can always be used by all your characters.
That's not how I'm reading these specific points:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Only currently existing characters created before Update 6 goes live are eligible to use points from the conversion pool. You must have at least one Veteran Rank character in order to receive Champion Points from this conversion pool to your account.
- The 70 Champion Points from the conversion pool will never get more points added to it - only subtracted. If there’s a situation where you don’t use up all 70 points once the system is live, they will never be used since this only applies to characters you have preceding Update 6.
- For example, if you have just one fresh VR4 character in your account, you’ll receive 15 Champion Points from the conversion after you log in. You will never be able to use the remaining 55 Points since it only applies to pre-existing characters prior to Update 6.
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Darkheart✭✭✭This is a good deal. Thanks for revisiting this.
A point of clarification: the pre-update 6 "award" pool of champion points is only available to characters who were created before update 6? The pool of champion points available to characters created after update 6 will only contain champion points earned through normal means after update 6?
All champion points you earn from before or after Update 6 , Can always be used by all your characters.
That's not how I'm reading these specific points:ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »- Only currently existing characters created before Update 6 goes live are eligible to use points from the conversion pool. You must have at least one Veteran Rank character in order to receive Champion Points from this conversion pool to your account.
- The 70 Champion Points from the conversion pool will never get more points added to it - only subtracted. If there’s a situation where you don’t use up all 70 points once the system is live, they will never be used since this only applies to characters you have preceding Update 6.
- For example, if you have just one fresh VR4 character in your account, you’ll receive 15 Champion Points from the conversion after you log in. You will never be able to use the remaining 55 Points since it only applies to pre-existing characters prior to Update 6.
You mixing 2 things up.
You get a Max of 70 CP when Update 6 starts. Its for all characters. If you did not get 70 CP Max you will not get CP points for every 200K XP you get after update 6.
After Update 6 starts you will have to earn champion points in a normal way. Those CP you earn is Still for all your characters together but it will not be for every 200K XP.
The Total pool of Champion points you earned during the time you play will always be available to use for All your characters. It don't matter if they 8 months old or 1 day old. the points you earned are there forever.
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✭This is a welcome change. It's still not what it should be but way better than the asinine "30 CP for all" plan. I have two max level characters so I will still be losing out on one entire character of XP. I can deal with that I guess but if I had 3 or 4 or 5 V14s I think I would likely still be pretty pissed. I think a real compromise would have been to raise the cap to include 2 or 3 max characters so that way someone with 4 or more V14s would be getting something a little closer to their effort instead of being capped on the extreme low end. This also means it's still unwise to play on your vet characters if you already have a max vet character so don't waste that XP!
On the other hand they could have only given 1 CP per vet level (like was suggested by some) and 70 would have equaled 5 v14s so I suppose it's a matter of perspective. I'm still not resubbing my account just yet. I will wait until 1.6 launches to make sure there are no future unwanted surprises before I do that. In any event, it's a solid change and a decent compromise. Thank you ZOS for listening to the player feedback and acting accordingly.
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Waldar✭✭✭Ok so if i have a V14 character and say 7 level 1 alts i log in on my V14 post update 6 and get 70 champion points all of which i can apply to my V14 character?
Now lets say i have 4 V14 characters:-
I log into the first and it gives me 70 points, the maximum for an account.
So this means i can either:-- Put all those points into one character to make it effective - and on par with other V14 characters where they only have one V14, and basically throw away the others
- Spread those 70 points out among my veteran characters and have no effective characters.
and i dont like either of those options.
While i can understand that you don't want someone taking 280 points from all their V14 characters and putting them into one character when update 6 is released, your implementation of a work around is biased towards players with a low number of veteran characters.
Why not add an extra variable to accommodate start-up champion points that are only available to that character to spend - not account wide.
So when i log in with each of my V14 i get 70 points to spend on those characters only, if i log into my V5 i get another 25 to spend on that character only, if i log on with a level 1 alt i have no points to spend.
Then everyone can start earning points the same way after that that are account wide?
Edited by Waldar on January 10, 2015 5:35AM2 -
glak✭✭✭Without more info, seems that this solution was one of the major things holding up PTS patch 1.6 and for good reason.
This announcement pulled me off the sidelines and into getting my only VR toon up to the equivalent of VR15 as originally planned.Edited by glak on January 10, 2015 5:25AM0 -
Komma✭✭✭✭✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
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Waldar✭✭✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
Isn't it just this simple.
If this is the case i'm happy enough with that as long as in this example i can spend those 70 points on each of my characters.
If i spend 70 on one character then have no more points left for others then i don't like it.Edited by Waldar on January 10, 2015 5:51AM1 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »It is definitely an improvement, but it still means that my V8 alt is still on hold because I already have a V14 and those Caldwell quests are gone forever if I use them before the patch.
So in order to get champion points or the caldwell content you still have to NOT level up your alts.
Or you could grind to level them up, thus leaving one time use content for when the CPs actually come out.2 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
Isn't it just this simple.
If this is the case i'm happy enough with that as long as in this example i can spend those 70 points on each of my characters.
If i spend 70 on one character then have no more points left for others then i don't like it.
This IS the case. It's been confirmed, it's been stated clearly several times.
Cheesus Chrisp.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP6 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭I didn't mind the 30 for everyone, but I do prefer this concept, and it was definitely a smart move insofar as keeping the player base happy, while still having a cap.1
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Will the quests in Caldwell's Silver give XP at that point? The alts would be more than 9 VR levels past the level of each of those quests.nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »It is definitely an improvement, but it still means that my V8 alt is still on hold because I already have a V14 and those Caldwell quests are gone forever if I use them before the patch.
So in order to get champion points or the caldwell content you still have to NOT level up your alts.
Or you could grind to level them up, thus leaving one time use content for when the CPs actually come out.0 -
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Will the quests in Caldwell's Silver give XP at that point? The alts would be more than 9 VR levels past the level of each of those quests.nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »It is definitely an improvement, but it still means that my V8 alt is still on hold because I already have a V14 and those Caldwell quests are gone forever if I use them before the patch.
So in order to get champion points or the caldwell content you still have to NOT level up your alts.
Or you could grind to level them up, thus leaving one time use content for when the CPs actually come out.
Yes, because technically you are level 50.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP1 -
Waldar✭✭✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
Isn't it just this simple.
If this is the case i'm happy enough with that as long as in this example i can spend those 70 points on each of my characters.
If i spend 70 on one character then have no more points left for others then i don't like it.
This IS the case. It's been confirmed, it's been stated clearly several times.
Cheesus Chrisp.
Since when has any thing that has been clearly stated even several times on this subject stayed that way!
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭Someone a few months ago said it best.
have 1 VR14 and level your alts to 50 and stop.
if you did this and didn't touch any of the silver or gold content on your alts. you will have a ton of quest xp to do.
I have 1 VR14 NB with the extra xp cause he is my main. With a few alts I'm still leveling to 50.Edited by VileIntent on January 10, 2015 6:24AM2 -
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✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
Isn't it just this simple.
If this is the case i'm happy enough with that as long as in this example i can spend those 70 points on each of my characters.
If i spend 70 on one character then have no more points left for others then i don't like it.
This is correct up until 6-8. 6-8 is not exactly correct unless you create them prior to 1.6 going live. It clearly states that the initial CP award only counts for existing characters that are already created when 1.6 hits so you won't get that with every new character in the future (after 1.6).
My suggestion to anyone that will get CP from conversion would be to make sure you create any characters you *might* want to level up prior to 1.6 going live so that they get the CP bonus. If you have any mules or characters you plan on re-creating for any reason..do it now or they will not get those points after 1.6. I will be recreating one of my current mules to be a DK as that is the only class I don't have leveled up (or leveling up). That way if I decide to level up a DK I will have a character created already with the CP bonus.
For clarity..here is the info from her post that states what I'm referencing:Only currently existing characters created before Update 6 goes live are eligible to use points from the conversion pool. You must have at least one Veteran Rank character in order to receive Champion Points from this conversion pool to your account.
The 70 Champion Points from the conversion pool will never get more points added to it - only subtracted. If there’s a situation where you don’t use up all 70 points once the system is live, they will never be used since this only applies to characters you have preceding Update 6.
For example, if you have just one fresh VR4 character in your account, you’ll receive 15 Champion Points from the conversion after you log in. You will never be able to use the remaining 55 Points since it only applies to pre-existing characters prior to Update 6.0 -
Ahdora✭✭✭✭✭Earned CP's on your account = 70
characters..
1. vr14 earned 70 can spend 70
2. vr1 earned 0 can spend 70
3. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
4. lvl 3 earned 0 can spend 70
5. lvl 10 earned 0 can spend 70
6. not created yet earned 0 can spend 70 when created
7. same as 6
8. same as 6
Isn't it just this simple.
If this is the case i'm happy enough with that as long as in this example i can spend those 70 points on each of my characters.
If i spend 70 on one character then have no more points left for others then i don't like it.
This IS the case. It's been confirmed, it's been stated clearly several times.
Cheesus Chrisp.
Since when has any thing that has been clearly stated even several times on this subject stayed that way!
mmmmm Cheesus agghhhh
That really has nothing to do with a lack of reading comprehension from the general populace, though, heh.Heals With Stick, V11 Argonian Nightblade Healer, NA-EP0 -
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✭I hope the 70 CP cap stays this time. It is more important to have some gaming ahead than getting "compensation" from multiple VR14. Giving too much points effectively ruins the progress. This is a fantasy game and not a stock portfolio.On hiatus. PC,EU,AD - crafting completionist - @helediron 900+ cp, @helestor 1000+ cp, @helestar 800+ cp, @helester 700+ cp - Dragonborn Z Suomikilta, Harrods, Master Crafter. - Blog - Crafthouse: all stations, all munduses, all dummies, open to everyone4 -
Nirnroot✭✭✭nice but not perfect - especially for the most hardcore gamers
I would add one thing. Which does not change much, and given to a feeling of satisfaction hardcore gamers. Just over 14,000,000XP, (ie 70 CP) increased to twice the threshold for granting CP for XP. This means:
14,400,000XP -> 71CP
14,800,000XP -> 72 CP
15,600,000XP -> 73 CP
17,200,000XP -> 74 CP
20,400,000XP -> 75 CP
26,800,000XP -> 76 CP
39,600,000XP -> 77 CP
65,200,000XP -> 78 CP
112,000,000XP -> 79 CP (i.e., max. number of points to achieve for 8 x 14 vt)
These 9 points more, nothing for you will not change, and it will be some kind of reward for players who have played more than others._-_3 -
Fruity_Ninja✭✭✭ZOS has listened to feedback again and attempted to appease their playerbase.
You have to give them kudos for that. [snip]
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Benefactor✭✭✭✭Maybe I'm a little confused but with the current version of the game I can't seem to see my experience after v14 by hovering over the bar. All that it say is 'veteran rank 14' and doesn't show xp earned. Are you sure that your suppose to see that in the current build on live? @ZOS_GinaBruno2
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