Feedback to the Champion System

Giraffon

I used to think I played a lot...but then I read messages about people concerned with Champion Points because they have 8 VR14s!! So I think...they must have done that in Craglorn...but then some did all the quests!!! I guess I don't play too much after all!

To those of you that have 8 VR14s:

Wow! You really love ESO!!

Grim13

When does 1.6 go live? Anyone?

Benefactor

Sharee wrote: »

Mujuro wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Apologies, everyone. Unfortunately I misunderstood the information given to me, and hovering over the bar does not show you how far into VR14 you are.

How do we determine "how far into VR14" we are? Do we need to use @Shadow-Fighter's script excerpt or something like Wykkyd's Toolbar's XP functionality to see the amount of XP into VR 14, or is there a method to show XP without using add-ons?

The script is not an addon, its part of the default game.

/script d(GetUnitXP("player"))

Typing this (exactly as above) in game chat window will return the total amount of XP your character has earned.

How much XP do we need to make sure that we get all 70 points? Since I'm assuming it counts from when you where pre-VR as well.

Mountainrunnin3

So what would the Campion points be used for? Cool veteran players get Champion points, but what benefits does that imply?

Enodoc

Benefactor wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Mujuro wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Apologies, everyone. Unfortunately I misunderstood the information given to me, and hovering over the bar does not show you how far into VR14 you are.

How do we determine "how far into VR14" we are? Do we need to use @Shadow-Fighter's script excerpt or something like Wykkyd's Toolbar's XP functionality to see the amount of XP into VR 14, or is there a method to show XP without using add-ons?

The script is not an addon, its part of the default game.

/script d(GetUnitXP("player"))

Typing this (exactly as above) in game chat window will return the total amount of XP your character has earned.

How much XP do we need to make sure that we get all 70 points? Since I'm assuming it counts from when you where pre-VR as well.

Gosh, for that you'd need to know every level requirement as well.....

Mountainrunnin3 wrote: »

So what would the Campion points be used for? Cool veteran players get Champion points, but what benefits does that imply?

Lots of fun and useful passives.

EQBallzz

Benefactor wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Mujuro wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Apologies, everyone. Unfortunately I misunderstood the information given to me, and hovering over the bar does not show you how far into VR14 you are.

How do we determine "how far into VR14" we are? Do we need to use @Shadow-Fighter's script excerpt or something like Wykkyd's Toolbar's XP functionality to see the amount of XP into VR 14, or is there a method to show XP without using add-ons?

The script is not an addon, its part of the default game.

/script d(GetUnitXP("player"))

Typing this (exactly as above) in game chat window will return the total amount of XP your character has earned.

How much XP do we need to make sure that we get all 70 points? Since I'm assuming it counts from when you where pre-VR as well.

No, it doesn't count fro pre-VR levels. The 1-50 content does not count towards champion points now or in the future. The amount of XP needed to reach the 70 cap is VR14 + 1 million more XP (basically enough to reach VR15 if that was a level). It doesn't have to be on one character, though. If you have a VR8 and a VR7 that would cap you as well or 3 VR5's. Basically, every 200k XP from veteran levels on any character gives you 1 CP up to a cap of 70 so every completed VR on any character is worth 5 CP.

Silleevad1

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

badmojo0777b14_ESO

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

badmojo0777b14_ESO

ebls_BR wrote: »

This system is very unfair with people with multiples VR14 char.

I have 5, all of them finished Cadwell Gold... Spent all my time doing quests dungeons, DSA, etc. Of course kill a lot of mobs... Only one of my toons will get the 70 CP.

This may be a compromise more unfair than before, because affect exactly the people who invested more time in the game... but since they affect less players, looks like more fair.

A solution which is bad for everyone is better than a solution which is bad only and especially for those who deserve more and are the minority.

youre getting 70 points per toon! and players don't have alts have no desire to create alts (OBVIOUSLY) and have no desire to make 7 alts so we can aquire character points thru low level grinding/questing

Grunim

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

Kindly read the very first post written by Gina in this thread:

Champion Points are shared across all characters as the system is account wide, but for the conversion of XP to Champion Points, no more than 70 Champion Points will be given to an account.

Nazon_Katts

All your characters will have access to all CP that were generated by the conversion. Max for this pool is 70, which is what a full VR14(+1M XP) can get. If you have multiple full VR14, only one of them contributes, since the cap is 70, but all of them can use those 70 CP individually.

What's lost is the not taken into account accumulated XP on your other VR characters or what's beyond VR14 +1M (fresh VR15, essentially). So with 8 VR14 and the current conversion rate at least 435 CP, when they're just fresh, possibly much more if they were all played and used in endgame.

Sharee

Grunim wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

Kindly read the very first post written by Gina in this thread:

Champion Points are shared across all characters as the system is account wide, but for the conversion of XP to Champion Points, no more than 70 Champion Points will be given to an account.

Just to make things clear:

The account only gets 70 points. But the veteran level 14 characters on that account are getting 70 points each to spend as they see fit. This is because the points the account gets are not 'used up' for other characters when one character spends his points.

Imagine it as a swimming pool that only has 70 m3 of water in it, but all your vet14 characters can go swim in it, and them doing so won't make the volume of water in the pool any lower.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Sharee wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

Kindly read the very first post written by Gina in this thread:

Champion Points are shared across all characters as the system is account wide, but for the conversion of XP to Champion Points, no more than 70 Champion Points will be given to an account.

Just to make things clear:

The account only gets 70 points. But the veteran level 14 characters on that account are getting 70 points each to spend as they see fit. This is because the points the account gets are not 'used up' for other characters when one character spends his points.

Imagine it as a swimming pool that only has 70 m3 of water in it, but all your vet14 characters can go swim in it, and them doing so won't make the volume of water in the pool any lower.

You can beat around the bush all you want but multiple v14 accounts get hundreds of hours taken from them with zero compensation.

I want a guinea pig pet.

Sharee

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

Kindly read the very first post written by Gina in this thread:

Champion Points are shared across all characters as the system is account wide, but for the conversion of XP to Champion Points, no more than 70 Champion Points will be given to an account.

Just to make things clear:

The account only gets 70 points. But the veteran level 14 characters on that account are getting 70 points each to spend as they see fit. This is because the points the account gets are not 'used up' for other characters when one character spends his points.

Imagine it as a swimming pool that only has 70 m3 of water in it, but all your vet14 characters can go swim in it, and them doing so won't make the volume of water in the pool any lower.

You can beat around the bush all you want...

...or maybe i am just trying to explain how the system work for people who might still be confused.

Skexis

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

You can beat around the bush all you want but multiple v14 accounts get hundreds of hours taken from them with zero compensation.

Yes they do. And they should.

Rewarding 30 CP for all VR players was a terrible idea. Awarding 70 CP for a VR 14 player is still not a good idea. Not terrible but far from a good idea.

With the news of the CP system I felt an incentive to keep playing. Grinding for the future if nothing else.

I did'nt understand why they raised the VR to 12 when it came, and I did'nt understand it when it became VR14.
It simply forced me to quickly grind up so I could craft new gear to complement drops, and then start "playing" again.

The problem is not the difference between different VR ranks or multiple characters.

The problem is the incentive for a VR 14 player to subscribe to a game that promotes only new customers or customers who play casually.

There is none.

Hence alot of players are on a "break". Sadly not all pay per month and can immediately cancel their subscription to actually show that.

If you play alts who you leveled you obviously have an incitament to play.

Rewarding alt time is asking to much IMHO. Rewarding players way beyoynd VR 14 is not, IMO.

/Skexis

dennarii

Ok, so I know I'm going to probably get a dozen people disagreeing with me, but this whole change makes me very sad. Unfortunately I find "horizontal" progression, especially if it has diminishing returns, very anticlimactic. I like the feeling of increasing in levels, "vertical" progression, where everything increases a bit when you level and you actually feel as though you're working towards something tangible. I'm sorry, but getting small, ever-diminishing stat buffs sounds really unexciting to me. I'm just so disappointed...

Also, this seems like it's going to make it very strange for new characters. So someone who has already earned a lot of CP makes an alt, who now has access to all those CP. But someone making their very first character in this game will be at a disadvantage, won't they? Won't this make a big divide in ability between a level 13 alt and a level 13 that is some one's first character? Don't get me wrong, I see why people who have multiple alts would want to get a benefit from the fact that they put in all the work to have multiple toons, but it just seems like it will make playing at low levels strange...so when characters are in a level 30 dungeon, they could be worlds apart from each other in ability because some people have alts & therefore have CP to use & others don't....I just don't see how this won't be weird. And if the answer is that the abilities/passives that you get from CP aren't so big that there will be too noticeable a difference, then I go back to my very first point - small, ever-diminishing buffs/passives just aren't that exciting for my formerly Vet 12 toon. Am I explaining this clearly? Does anyone see what I'm getting at? If the benefits you can get from using CPs is substantial, it really unbalances leveling characters...If the benefits aren't substantial, then what's the fun of continuing to play?

That being said, at least with the Champ System, there will always be a way to improve your character instead of reaching v14 and saying, Ok, now what?"....but getting a .000001% boost to my Magicka isn't really that exciting.....I actually like when each new update brings new content and increases max level like 10 levels. I like leveling. But that's just me. I agree the Vet System needing some rethinking, but I'm just not feeling this Champ System. Hopefully I'll feel different after it's actually implemented....But for now I'm sad.

Skexis

dennarii wrote: »

Ok, so I know I'm going to probably get a dozen people disagreeing with me, but this whole change makes me very sad. Unfortunately I find "horizontal" progression, especially if it has diminishing returns, very anticlimactic. I like the feeling of increasing in levels, "vertical" progression, where everything increases a bit when you level and you actually feel as though you're working towards something tangible. I'm sorry, but getting small, ever-diminishing stat buffs sounds really unexciting to me. I'm just so disappointed...
<Snip>
Hopefully I'll feel different after it's actually implemented....But for now I'm sad.

If I were you I would save my disapointment or prophesies until I tried the system.
I personally have no doubt that in the end it will enhance gameplay, wether you are new, old or alting.
Themepark MMO's however succesfull they have been, they show their age. This is a "different" approach that I am very excited about, and it deserves a chance.

/Skexis

ZOS_GinaBruno

Sharee wrote: »

Grunim wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

Silleevad1 wrote: »

I can't figure out what everybody is so happy about. I only have one VR-7 that I'm furiously trying to get to VR-8 because of this, but my in-game wife has multiple veterans and is going to lose a lot, because she only gets a maximum of 70 CP. I don't think I will suffer so bad, because I just have the one veteran. My next grade down is a Level 49 which I'm going to leave right there for now. What's the point of doing otherwise. Way to go ZOS in encouraging me not to play my other characters.

Here's a novel idea. Instead of worrying about stupid things like this, why don't you fix the system problems, such as the one that boots us off the game way too often. Another example that needs fixing happened yesterday, when my non-vet group could not get into a group dungeon. Why? The message we kept getting was that it was a veteran dungeon only, yet there were no vets in that group. Why don't you fix things like this first?

And for all of you wearing your happy pants right now, was the Veteran Rank System really so difficult that you couldn't enjoy the game? Not for me. I enjoy it the way it is now and would like to see it continue. To suddenly have the dream of someday being a VR-14 taken away because of you crybabies is extremely deflating to me.

you do realize that your in game wife gets 70 CP for EACH character on the account? they aren't LOSING anything.

Kindly read the very first post written by Gina in this thread:

Champion Points are shared across all characters as the system is account wide, but for the conversion of XP to Champion Points, no more than 70 Champion Points will be given to an account.

Just to make things clear:

The account only gets 70 points. But the veteran level 14 characters on that account are getting 70 points each to spend as they see fit. This is because the points the account gets are not 'used up' for other characters when one character spends his points.

Imagine it as a swimming pool that only has 70 m3 of water in it, but all your vet14 characters can go swim in it, and them doing so won't make the volume of water in the pool any lower.

We used the same swimming pool analogy to initially understand how the system worked, too!

Kraven

ebls_BR wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

About being unfair to people with multiple V14's, it never mattered to the strength of the character in-game how many characters the player had "on the bench". So compensating for all of them would create a power difference where none existed before and that nobody had reason to anticipate (not even after the announcement of the CP system).

The primary reason of the whole discussion here is not being more or less strong. That, has no importance to me. For instance, I developed 5 VR14 toons in different factions (2 AD, 2 EP and 1 DC), for one and sole reason: to play with all my friends. Actually, the first time I went to Cyrodiil, I already had two VR14... Neither I developed 5 VR14 to acquire more or less CP at the transition. The whole point here is to have what you deserve by your own effort and time investment.

I'll give an example of how bad this choice is for someone like me. As I've said, I have 5 VR14, by completing quests (Cadwell's Silver and Gold and Craglorn), dungeons, pledges, destroying multiple times Dark Anchors and World Bosses, etc. Yes, with one of them (an EP toon), I "grinded" in Craglorn; then this toon still is in Greenshade doing Cadwell's Gold quests. This character, my last VR14 (and the less developed of all of my VR14), have at the moment, almost 7000 achievements points and is already Undaunted 8 ...

As for the others toons, well..., I have two with more than 10k achievements, finished DSA Veteran, 250 Dark Anchors (Enemy of Coldharbor and Daedric Lord Slayer titles) and they are Undaunted 9... (with one of them I've never played in Cyrodiil...), and I have at least 3 toons without any Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests to do (yep, I finished everything, including side quests).

When the system change, How will I have to acquire CP with these toons? Since I'll have less opportunity to acquire my CP (don't have quests to turn or do), I'll have to do something that I always hated: grinding.

Since it is account wide you have 70 points to spend on all five of your V14s. Meaning each and every V14 of yours is even with each and every V14 in the game, Otherwise you're looking at you getting 350 points to spend on each and every V14 some with eight V14 would be getting 560 points to spend on each and every V14.

Vet14 is Vet14, I have absolutely no issue at all with V14s all being on equal footing with 1.6 release. I did have an issue with a brand new V1 being on the exact same footing as someone with multiple vets or even one V14.

As for content to gain xp for CP with, you have the exact same content as every other V14 out there. If you want to earn xp for gold and silver again toward CP then you are dependent upon an alt just like every other V14 who already did gold and silver.

Good news. Vet ranks still exist in 1.6, so those of us with V14 will be earning CP by doing the stuff we already are doing, DSA and Trials etc. You have time between 1.6 and the removal of vet ranks to earn CP from endgame content where a V1 is slightly more limited.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

I can't believe so many people can't understand the totally clear explanation that started this thread, I really can't.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Kraven wrote: »

You have time between 1.6 and the removal of vet ranks to earn CP from endgame content where a V1 is slightly more limited.

]
You confuse me, there is no 'end-game' content doable by a V1.

Enodoc

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

You have time between 1.6 and the removal of vet ranks to earn CP from endgame content where a V1 is slightly more limited.

]
You confuse me, there is no 'end-game' content doable by a V1.

Well... that depends on how technical you want to be. Technically (in ZOS world), all 50+ 'Veteran content' is end-game content. But you can do PvP and Craglorn at V1 and not be completely obliterated, and that's definitely end-game content.

badmojo0777b14_ESO

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Kraven wrote: »

You have time between 1.6 and the removal of vet ranks to earn CP from endgame content where a V1 is slightly more limited.

]
You confuse me, there is no 'end-game' content doable by a V1.

any vet dungeon, hell, almost any dungeon can be adjusted to VR1 level. other than trials almost all end game content is available to a V1

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

ebls_BR wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

About being unfair to people with multiple V14's, it never mattered to the strength of the character in-game how many characters the player had "on the bench". So compensating for all of them would create a power difference where none existed before and that nobody had reason to anticipate (not even after the announcement of the CP system).

The primary reason of the whole discussion here is not being more or less strong. That, has no importance to me. For instance, I developed 5 VR14 toons in different factions (2 AD, 2 EP and 1 DC), for one and sole reason: to play with all my friends. Actually, the first time I went to Cyrodiil, I already had two VR14... Neither I developed 5 VR14 to acquire more or less CP at the transition. The whole point here is to have what you deserve by your own effort and time investment.

I'll give an example of how bad this choice is for someone like me. As I've said, I have 5 VR14, by completing quests (Cadwell's Silver and Gold and Craglorn), dungeons, pledges, destroying multiple times Dark Anchors and World Bosses, etc. Yes, with one of them (an EP toon), I "grinded" in Craglorn; then this toon still is in Greenshade doing Cadwell's Gold quests. This character, my last VR14 (and the less developed of all of my VR14), have at the moment, almost 7000 achievements points and is already Undaunted 8 ...

As for the others toons, well..., I have two with more than 10k achievements, finished DSA Veteran, 250 Dark Anchors (Enemy of Coldharbor and Daedric Lord Slayer titles) and they are Undaunted 9... (with one of them I've never played in Cyrodiil...), and I have at least 3 toons without any Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests to do (yep, I finished everything, including side quests).

When the system change, How will I have to acquire CP with these toons? Since I'll have less opportunity to acquire my CP (don't have quests to turn or do), I'll have to do something that I always hated: grinding.

I totally understand you and agree, however there are hordes of ppl who will lose very little who just don't want you or I to be compensated. It's that simple. It was a [snip] choice by ZoS and they chose the majority over the loyal long term players.

[edited for inappropriate content]

Grim13

Grim13 wrote: »

When does 1.6 go live? Anyone?

Buellar!?

badmojo0777b14_ESO

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

ebls_BR wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

About being unfair to people with multiple V14's, it never mattered to the strength of the character in-game how many characters the player had "on the bench". So compensating for all of them would create a power difference where none existed before and that nobody had reason to anticipate (not even after the announcement of the CP system).

The primary reason of the whole discussion here is not being more or less strong. That, has no importance to me. For instance, I developed 5 VR14 toons in different factions (2 AD, 2 EP and 1 DC), for one and sole reason: to play with all my friends. Actually, the first time I went to Cyrodiil, I already had two VR14... Neither I developed 5 VR14 to acquire more or less CP at the transition. The whole point here is to have what you deserve by your own effort and time investment.

I'll give an example of how bad this choice is for someone like me. As I've said, I have 5 VR14, by completing quests (Cadwell's Silver and Gold and Craglorn), dungeons, pledges, destroying multiple times Dark Anchors and World Bosses, etc. Yes, with one of them (an EP toon), I "grinded" in Craglorn; then this toon still is in Greenshade doing Cadwell's Gold quests. This character, my last VR14 (and the less developed of all of my VR14), have at the moment, almost 7000 achievements points and is already Undaunted 8 ...

As for the others toons, well..., I have two with more than 10k achievements, finished DSA Veteran, 250 Dark Anchors (Enemy of Coldharbor and Daedric Lord Slayer titles) and they are Undaunted 9... (with one of them I've never played in Cyrodiil...), and I have at least 3 toons without any Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests to do (yep, I finished everything, including side quests).

When the system change, How will I have to acquire CP with these toons? Since I'll have less opportunity to acquire my CP (don't have quests to turn or do), I'll have to do something that I always hated: grinding.

I totally understand you and agree, however there are hordes of ppl who will lose very little who just don't want you or I to be compensated. It's that simple. It was a [snip] choice by ZoS and they chose the majority over the loyal long term players.

majority? over the "long term loyal players? WRONG. many of my gaming friends and myself have been playing since PTS. most of us have atleast 1 VR 14 and some of us have anywhere form 2 to 4 VR14s. Not many players level 8 friggin VR14s. you ARE NOT the majority and you are no more loyal to this game than myself and many others. if they XP tracked my VR`14 Dragonknight and Vr14 Nightblade I dare say I have accumulated as much if not more experience points/activity than anyone with 8 VR14s. we play our 1 or 2 toons just as hard as any player who doesn't have the skill for end game content, and has nothing better to do than level alt after alt after alt. you've leveled 8 characters 8 times thru the same content. WHOOPITY DOOO while the MAJORITY of us were playing our main 1 or 2 characters thru cyrodiil, veteran dungeons, delves, trials and DSA. we play just as hard if not more so, we just don't spread it out over 8 toons. you haven't played anymore, and you definitely haven't played anything more difficult and you have accomplished anything special, you don't DESERVE anything extra. youre going to get 70 character points for eveyr single toon you've got, just like we will and we all earned it. no one is getting screwed

do you honestly think that someone with 1 or 2 VR14s is going to start making alts to do low level low experience gaining quests and kill for CHARACTER POINTS? why would anyone with VR14s, and access to VR experience points with repeatable daily, dungeons, high level grinding, trials and delves even touch a level 1 quest ? VR14 trash will be worth more character points, than entire low level quest lines.

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Silleevad1

Skexis wrote: »

dennarii wrote: »

Ok, so I know I'm going to probably get a dozen people disagreeing with me, but this whole change makes me very sad. Unfortunately I find "horizontal" progression, especially if it has diminishing returns, very anticlimactic. I like the feeling of increasing in levels, "vertical" progression, where everything increases a bit when you level and you actually feel as though you're working towards something tangible. I'm sorry, but getting small, ever-diminishing stat buffs sounds really unexciting to me. I'm just so disappointed...
<Snip>
Hopefully I'll feel different after it's actually implemented....But for now I'm sad.

If I were you I would save my disapointment or prophesies until I tried the system.
I personally have no doubt that in the end it will enhance gameplay, wether you are new, old or alting.
Themepark MMO's however succesfull they have been, they show their age. This is a "different" approach that I am very excited about, and it deserves a chance.

/Skexis

It's okay for you to put forth a prophecy that espouses this as the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's not okay for someone else to issue a contrary prophecy. That's what I got out of your "very excited" comment.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

ebls_BR wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

About being unfair to people with multiple V14's, it never mattered to the strength of the character in-game how many characters the player had "on the bench". So compensating for all of them would create a power difference where none existed before and that nobody had reason to anticipate (not even after the announcement of the CP system).

The primary reason of the whole discussion here is not being more or less strong. That, has no importance to me. For instance, I developed 5 VR14 toons in different factions (2 AD, 2 EP and 1 DC), for one and sole reason: to play with all my friends. Actually, the first time I went to Cyrodiil, I already had two VR14... Neither I developed 5 VR14 to acquire more or less CP at the transition. The whole point here is to have what you deserve by your own effort and time investment.

I'll give an example of how bad this choice is for someone like me. As I've said, I have 5 VR14, by completing quests (Cadwell's Silver and Gold and Craglorn), dungeons, pledges, destroying multiple times Dark Anchors and World Bosses, etc. Yes, with one of them (an EP toon), I "grinded" in Craglorn; then this toon still is in Greenshade doing Cadwell's Gold quests. This character, my last VR14 (and the less developed of all of my VR14), have at the moment, almost 7000 achievements points and is already Undaunted 8 ...

As for the others toons, well..., I have two with more than 10k achievements, finished DSA Veteran, 250 Dark Anchors (Enemy of Coldharbor and Daedric Lord Slayer titles) and they are Undaunted 9... (with one of them I've never played in Cyrodiil...), and I have at least 3 toons without any Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests to do (yep, I finished everything, including side quests).

When the system change, How will I have to acquire CP with these toons? Since I'll have less opportunity to acquire my CP (don't have quests to turn or do), I'll have to do something that I always hated: grinding.

I totally understand you and agree, however there are hordes of ppl who will lose very little who just don't want you or I to be compensated. It's that simple. It was a [snip] choice by ZoS and they chose the majority over the loyal long term players.

majority? over the "long term loyal players? WRONG. many of my gaming friends and myself have been playing since PTS. most of us have atleast 1 VR 14 and some of us have anywhere form 2 to 4 VR14s. Not many players level 8 friggin VR14s. you ARE NOT the majority and you are no more loyal to this game than myself and many others. if they XP tracked my VR`14 Dragonknight and Vr14 Nightblade I dare say I have accumulated as much if not more experience points/activity than anyone with 8 VR14s. we play our 1 or 2 toons just as hard as any player who doesn't have the skill for end game content, and has nothing better to do than level alt after alt after alt. you've leveled 8 characters 8 times thru the same content. WHOOPITY DOOO while the MAJORITY of us were playing our main 1 or 2 characters thru cyrodiil, veteran dungeons, delves, trials and DSA. we play just as hard if not more so, we just don't spread it out over 8 toons. you haven't played anymore, and you definitely haven't played anything more difficult and you have accomplished anything special, you don't DESERVE anything extra. youre going to get 70 character points for eveyr single toon you've got, just like we will and we all earned it. no one is getting screwed

do you honestly think that someone with 1 or 2 VR14s is going to start making alts to do low level low experience gaining quests and kill for CHARACTER POINTS? why would anyone with VR14s, and access to VR experience points with repeatable daily, dungeons, high level grinding, trials and delves even touch a level 1 quest ? VR14 trash will be worth more character points, than entire low level quest lines.

Re-read your ranting so that you may see the various flaws you instituted just now.

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fyrnas

Question: what happen with mundus stones?.. I still dont underestand how it will be working with CHS... you still can use only one of this constellations but can spent to this only every 3rd point? Sorry for my english and my knowledge about CHS.

badmojo0777b14_ESO

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

badmojo0777b14_ESO wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

ebls_BR wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

About being unfair to people with multiple V14's, it never mattered to the strength of the character in-game how many characters the player had "on the bench". So compensating for all of them would create a power difference where none existed before and that nobody had reason to anticipate (not even after the announcement of the CP system).

The primary reason of the whole discussion here is not being more or less strong. That, has no importance to me. For instance, I developed 5 VR14 toons in different factions (2 AD, 2 EP and 1 DC), for one and sole reason: to play with all my friends. Actually, the first time I went to Cyrodiil, I already had two VR14... Neither I developed 5 VR14 to acquire more or less CP at the transition. The whole point here is to have what you deserve by your own effort and time investment.

I'll give an example of how bad this choice is for someone like me. As I've said, I have 5 VR14, by completing quests (Cadwell's Silver and Gold and Craglorn), dungeons, pledges, destroying multiple times Dark Anchors and World Bosses, etc. Yes, with one of them (an EP toon), I "grinded" in Craglorn; then this toon still is in Greenshade doing Cadwell's Gold quests. This character, my last VR14 (and the less developed of all of my VR14), have at the moment, almost 7000 achievements points and is already Undaunted 8 ...

As for the others toons, well..., I have two with more than 10k achievements, finished DSA Veteran, 250 Dark Anchors (Enemy of Coldharbor and Daedric Lord Slayer titles) and they are Undaunted 9... (with one of them I've never played in Cyrodiil...), and I have at least 3 toons without any Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests to do (yep, I finished everything, including side quests).

When the system change, How will I have to acquire CP with these toons? Since I'll have less opportunity to acquire my CP (don't have quests to turn or do), I'll have to do something that I always hated: grinding.

I totally understand you and agree, however there are hordes of ppl who will lose very little who just don't want you or I to be compensated. It's that simple. It was a [snip] choice by ZoS and they chose the majority over the loyal long term players.

majority? over the "long term loyal players? WRONG. many of my gaming friends and myself have been playing since PTS. most of us have atleast 1 VR 14 and some of us have anywhere form 2 to 4 VR14s. Not many players level 8 friggin VR14s. you ARE NOT the majority and you are no more loyal to this game than myself and many others. if they XP tracked my VR`14 Dragonknight and Vr14 Nightblade I dare say I have accumulated as much if not more experience points/activity than anyone with 8 VR14s. we play our 1 or 2 toons just as hard as any player who doesn't have the skill for end game content, and has nothing better to do than level alt after alt after alt. you've leveled 8 characters 8 times thru the same content. WHOOPITY DOOO while the MAJORITY of us were playing our main 1 or 2 characters thru cyrodiil, veteran dungeons, delves, trials and DSA. we play just as hard if not more so, we just don't spread it out over 8 toons. you haven't played anymore, and you definitely haven't played anything more difficult and you have accomplished anything special, you don't DESERVE anything extra. youre going to get 70 character points for eveyr single toon you've got, just like we will and we all earned it. no one is getting screwed

do you honestly think that someone with 1 or 2 VR14s is going to start making alts to do low level low experience gaining quests and kill for CHARACTER POINTS? why would anyone with VR14s, and access to VR experience points with repeatable daily, dungeons, high level grinding, trials and delves even touch a level 1 quest ? VR14 trash will be worth more character points, than entire low level quest lines.

Re-read your ranting so that you may see the various flaws you instituted just now.

how about you tell me these so called flaws. cuz the only people seeing flaws are those with 8 Vr14s who want extra for doin the same content ove rand over, compared to a Vr14 who plays just as hard excelling at end game content. people with ALTITIS don't deserve anything extra for doing the same content over and over, and those with open slots gain no advantage to gaining character points by having available alt slots

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